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shanky wrote: ↑Mon Mar 29, 2021 10:38 pm

Salient wrote: ↑Mon Mar 29, 2021 9:13 pm My wife, who is currently down in NSW has to go into lockdown due to having visited Brisbane during the period that is apparently of concern. Lock down south of the border apparently means you can go do shopping for food, attend medical appointments, oh and go to work. Exactly how dumb are the pricks running NSW, do they actually understand the term "lock down" and what it is attempting to achieve

It means what it’s always meant, that you can only leave home for essential reasons.
But don’t let that stop your little echo chamber rant.

Salient wrote: ↑Wed Mar 31, 2021 1:04 am

shanky wrote: ↑Mon Mar 29, 2021 10:38 pm

Salient wrote: ↑Mon Mar 29, 2021 9:13 pm My wife, who is currently down in NSW has to go into lockdown due to having visited Brisbane during the period that is apparently of concern. Lock down south of the border apparently means you can go do shopping for food, attend medical appointments, oh and go to work. Exactly how dumb are the pricks running NSW, do they actually understand the term "lock down" and what it is attempting to achieve

It means what it’s always meant, that you can only leave home for essential reasons.
But don’t let that stop your little echo chamber rant.

Actually not a rant but continue your support of all things Coalition, no matter how dumb those pricks prove themselves to be week in week out.

Sorry, just phoned my Boss to say we should all go into work under shanky's definition of "lock down", apparently not going to happen because Brisbane is in "lock down" and we aren't working in one of the essential industries.

Pat the Ex Mat wrote: ↑Tue Mar 30, 2021 11:51 pm Crean is really part of the problem - his son was one of the first "Legacy" MPs

TBH, there needs to be 2 generations between MPs - it's not a good look in a population of 20 Million + to have dynasties.

wamberal wrote: ↑Wed Mar 31, 2021 1:47 am

Pat the Ex Mat wrote: ↑Tue Mar 30, 2021 11:51 pm Crean is really part of the problem - his son was one of the first "Legacy" MPs

TBH, there needs to be 2 generations between MPs - it's not a good look in a population of 20 Million + to have dynasties.

Kim Beazley? Some would say he was the best Prime Minister we never had. His father served in the Whitlam government.

Ability, and achievements outside politics, are far more important than genealogy.

NSW Nationals MP Michael Johnsen offered a sex worker $1,000 to attend state Parliament for sex and sent the woman a string of lewd text messages and an obscene video while Parliament was sitting, an ABC investigation can reveal.

Pat the Ex Mat wrote: ↑Tue Mar 30, 2021 11:20 pm

wamberal wrote: ↑Tue Mar 30, 2021 10:52 pm

Ali's Choice wrote: ↑Tue Mar 30, 2021 10:50 pm Grace Tame is freakin awesome! She should run for parliament as an Independent, she'd romp in.

She's too good for Australian politics.

How pathetic are we as a nation that this a true statement

wamberal wrote: ↑Wed Mar 31, 2021 1:47 am

Pat the Ex Mat wrote: ↑Tue Mar 30, 2021 11:51 pm Crean is really part of the problem - his son was one of the first "Legacy" MPs

TBH, there needs to be 2 generations between MPs - it's not a good look in a population of 20 Million + to have dynasties.

Kim Beazley? Some would say he was the best Prime Minister we never had. His father served in the Whitlam government.

Ability, and achievements outside politics, are far more important than genealogy.

towny wrote: ↑Wed Mar 31, 2021 5:46 am

Pat the Ex Mat wrote: ↑Tue Mar 30, 2021 11:20 pm

wamberal wrote: ↑Tue Mar 30, 2021 10:52 pm

Ali's Choice wrote: ↑Tue Mar 30, 2021 10:50 pm Grace Tame is freakin awesome! She should run for parliament as an Independent, she'd romp in.

She's too good for Australian politics.

How pathetic are we as a nation that this a true statement

I actually think this is the same (to an extent) with politics everywhere. The media is the problem, though they love to put the blame on social media, which is the force destroying their industry, though I’m sure that’s not the reason they blame it for all society’s ills.

It was the NY Times, and not Facebook or Google, that swung the public to back the invasion of Iraq and Trump over Clinton.

towny wrote: ↑Wed Mar 31, 2021 5:48 am

wamberal wrote: ↑Wed Mar 31, 2021 1:47 am

Pat the Ex Mat wrote: ↑Tue Mar 30, 2021 11:51 pm Crean is really part of the problem - his son was one of the first "Legacy" MPs

TBH, there needs to be 2 generations between MPs - it's not a good look in a population of 20 Million + to have dynasties.

Kim Beazley? Some would say he was the best Prime Minister we never had. His father served in the Whitlam government.

Ability, and achievements outside politics, are far more important than genealogy.

Beasley was a good man and apparently an excellent minister. But he wasn’t a great opposition leader - the only punches he landed were about the GST, which was a positive policy.

I have a pic with him somewhere. He was half-cut and hanging out with the PM of the time.

The Optimist wrote: ↑Wed Mar 31, 2021 11:07 am This is a govt of idiots for idiots. How do we accept this ineptitude. It's like an episode of 'The Office' on a national scale, though less funny.

wamberal wrote: ↑Tue Mar 30, 2021 11:44 pm

Pat the Ex Mat wrote: ↑Tue Mar 30, 2021 11:20 pm

wamberal wrote: ↑Tue Mar 30, 2021 10:52 pm

Ali's Choice wrote: ↑Tue Mar 30, 2021 10:50 pm Grace Tame is freakin awesome! She should run for parliament as an Independent, she'd romp in.

She's too good for Australian politics.

How pathetic are we as a nation that this a true statement

We supposedly model ourselves on the mother of parliaments: Westminster. The Poms put us to shame.

Politics in Australia is a combat sport, politicians are mostly born and bred to the "career of politics".

We have brought it on ourselves. As an ALP supporter I am often reminded of Frank Crean's remark: "The ALP used to be made up of the cream of the working-class; now it is the dregs of the middle class". That was true many years ago. Now it is even truer.

towny wrote: ↑Wed Mar 31, 2021 4:20 pm
It wasn’t true when he said it and it’s not true now. It’s just a quote.

If you’re an ALP supporter, why are you lumping them in with the problem? In the last 40 years, they’ve been the good guys.

Playing that ‘both sides’ shit just let’s the real clowns off the hook, and that’s that they want you to think - “there as bad as each other”.

They aren’t by a long way.

Slim 293 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 01, 2021 12:52 am Unfortunately there's not enough for Qld police to go after Laming...

Meanwhile, Andrew Bolt has said that Laming has been "framed by the ABC and the journalists on the left", in another one of his teary op-ed opportunities to attack Louise Milligan because he's still butt hurt over Pell... even though it was Channel 9 Queensland who have led with the expose on Laming.

shanky wrote: ↑Wed Mar 31, 2021 1:13 am

Salient wrote: ↑Wed Mar 31, 2021 1:04 am

shanky wrote: ↑Mon Mar 29, 2021 10:38 pm

Salient wrote: ↑Mon Mar 29, 2021 9:13 pm My wife, who is currently down in NSW has to go into lockdown due to having visited Brisbane during the period that is apparently of concern. Lock down south of the border apparently means you can go do shopping for food, attend medical appointments, oh and go to work. Exactly how dumb are the pricks running NSW, do they actually understand the term "lock down" and what it is attempting to achieve

It means what it’s always meant, that you can only leave home for essential reasons.
But don’t let that stop your little echo chamber rant.

Actually not a rant but continue your support of all things Coalition, no matter how dumb those pricks prove themselves to be week in week out.

Sorry, just phoned my Boss to say we should all go into work under shanky's definition of "lock down", apparently not going to happen because Brisbane is in "lock down" and we aren't working in one of the essential industries.

oh my, are you telling me that different States have different definitions?????

wamberal wrote: ↑Wed Mar 31, 2021 10:50 pm

towny wrote: ↑Wed Mar 31, 2021 4:20 pm
It wasn’t true when he said it and it’s not true now. It’s just a quote.

Just a quote? Did he say it, or not?

If you’re an ALP supporter, why are you lumping them in with the problem? In the last 40 years, they’ve been the good guys.

There is a problem in all political parties. As for the ALP being cleanskins, have you heard of Sussex Street? A breeding ground for political hacks.

Yes, I am an ALP supporter, and have voted for the party in more losing elections than I care to count.

Playing that ‘both sides’ shit just let’s the real clowns off the hook, and that’s that they want you to think - “there as bad as each other”.

They aren’t by a long way.

I doubt that the "real clowns" are reading this bored. Well, not many of them, anyway.

towny wrote: ↑Thu Apr 01, 2021 6:54 am


If you’re an ALP supporter, why are you lumping them in with the problem? In the last 40 years, they’ve been the good guys.

I really don’t like the ‘both sides are bad’ shtick. It’s easy to think and say it - I’m also guilty of it. But it plays into the hands of the Trumps and ScoMos of this world. Lumping their lies, ineptitude, etc with “all politicians” let’s them get away with it.

guy smiley wrote: ↑Thu Apr 01, 2021 11:16 pm
The particular talent that NSW has for corruption across all walks of life is known and understood... but could we try not to paint the entirety of Australian politics with that specific shitpit of self interest and stench?

wamberal wrote: ↑Thu Apr 01, 2021 11:47 pm

guy smiley wrote: ↑Thu Apr 01, 2021 11:16 pm
The particular talent that NSW has for corruption across all walks of life is known and understood... but could we try not to paint the entirety of Australian politics with that specific shitpit of self interest and stench?

Oh, righto. Forget all about Queensland under Joh. Or WA under Brian Burke.

guy smiley wrote: ↑Thu Apr 01, 2021 11:55 pm

wamberal wrote: ↑Thu Apr 01, 2021 11:47 pm

guy smiley wrote: ↑Thu Apr 01, 2021 11:16 pm
The particular talent that NSW has for corruption across all walks of life is known and understood... but could we try not to paint the entirety of Australian politics with that specific shitpit of self interest and stench?

Oh, righto. Forget all about Queensland under Joh. Or WA under Brian Burke.

Yeah... years ago.

I'm not trying to say corruption isn't present in other places. I'm saying that NSW has refined the art to a level the others could only aspire to. It's intrinsic to to the state's identity...

and this discussion could do well without needing to have that taint applied as if it were a national tendency rather than a NSW specialty.

Pat the Ex Mat wrote: ↑Fri Apr 02, 2021 12:22 am QLD - Peter Dutton. Everyone knows, but nothing is done

Ali's Choice wrote: ↑Fri Apr 02, 2021 12:24 am

Pat the Ex Mat wrote: ↑Fri Apr 02, 2021 12:22 am QLD - Peter Dutton. Everyone knows, but nothing is done

He's never been involved with state politics though. A Federal body with the powers of NSW's ICAC will sort things out, but the Coalition won't ever allow one to be established.

Pat the Ex Mat wrote: ↑Fri Apr 02, 2021 12:26 am

Ali's Choice wrote: ↑Fri Apr 02, 2021 12:24 am

Pat the Ex Mat wrote: ↑Fri Apr 02, 2021 12:22 am QLD - Peter Dutton. Everyone knows, but nothing is done

He's never been involved with state politics though. A Federal body with the powers of NSW's ICAC will sort things out, but the Coalition won't ever allow one to be established.

His time should have been under the purview of either Police Watchdog or State Watch-dog.

Sadly, for all it's talk, the ALP appear to not be backing a full Federal ICAC in reality

Pat the Ex Mat wrote: ↑Fri Apr 02, 2021 12:32 am As mentioned, NSW has the only Global City so it attracts flies on shit

It will never stop, but needs to be policed more - hidden away last week was a missive from the LNP to cut ICAC's funding by $4.5 Million

Re Federal ICAC, the ALP don't support banning corporate donations, etc.

There's the Achilles Heel right there.

guy smiley wrote: ↑Fri Apr 02, 2021 12:37 am

Pat the Ex Mat wrote: ↑Fri Apr 02, 2021 12:32 am As mentioned, NSW has the only Global City so it attracts flies on shit

You've lived there too long

FFS... Melbourne dude, remember it?

Ali's Choice wrote: ↑Fri Apr 02, 2021 12:44 am

Pat the Ex Mat wrote: ↑Fri Apr 02, 2021 12:32 am As mentioned, NSW has the only Global City so it attracts flies on shit

It will never stop, but needs to be policed more - hidden away last week was a missive from the LNP to cut ICAC's funding by $4.5 Million

Re Federal ICAC, the ALP don't support banning corporate donations, etc.

There's the Achilles Heel right there.

I'm not sure why you conflate the current donations rules to the establishment of a corruption watchdog?

Btw what changes would you propose to the current Federal donations rules?

Pat the Ex Mat wrote: ↑Fri Apr 02, 2021 12:57 am Clearly you don't know much about corruption if you think the current donation model is not open to abuse.

For all your love of politics, you're a bit of a Naif at times

Proportional funding from the Commonwealth - the system is already set up that way for expenses, cash per vote, etc - how do you think Pauline keeps running?

Tidy the whole thing up with an impartial Administrator role*






* Yes pipe-dreams I know.

guy smiley wrote: ↑Fri Apr 02, 2021 1:12 am

Ali's Choice wrote: ↑Fri Apr 02, 2021 12:44 am

Pat the Ex Mat wrote: ↑Fri Apr 02, 2021 12:32 am As mentioned, NSW has the only Global City so it attracts flies on shit

It will never stop, but needs to be policed more - hidden away last week was a missive from the LNP to cut ICAC's funding by $4.5 Million

Re Federal ICAC, the ALP don't support banning corporate donations, etc.

There's the Achilles Heel right there.

I'm not sure why you conflate the current donations rules to the establishment of a corruption watchdog?

Btw what changes would you propose to the current Federal donations rules?

Here's a decent blueprint...

https://greens.org.au/platform/2019/democracy#clean-up

ban political donations from the mining, property development, tobacco, alcohol, and gambling industries to all political parties and candidates. We will cap all other donations and make sure every donation over $1000 is disclosed publicly, in close to real time.

politicians and senior staff members find themselves with cushy lobbyist jobs as soon as they leave parliament. That doesn’t happen by accident. Our plan will require the publication of information about meetings, such as the subject of the lobbying and we will enforce a five year ‘cooling off’ period during which Ministers and their senior staff cannot be engaged in private enterprise that raises a conflict of interest, or particular benefit, from their role and connections.