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Re: The Australian Politics Thread

Posted: Fri Apr 02, 2021 1:16 am
by Pat the Ex Mat
Ali's Choice wrote: Fri Apr 02, 2021 1:01 am
Pat the Ex Mat wrote: Fri Apr 02, 2021 12:57 am Clearly you don't know much about corruption if you think the current donation model is not open to abuse.

For all your love of politics, you're a bit of a Naif at times :lol:

Proportional funding from the Commonwealth - the system is already set up that way for expenses, cash per vote, etc - how do you think Pauline keeps running?

Tidy the whole thing up with an impartial Administrator role*






* Yes pipe-dreams I know.
Any system is open for abuse. I don't think our system is the worst, but I was interested in what system you preferred. I don't think a system funded by the Commonwealth would be at all fair, especially for new or minor parties. It would simply consolidate the status quo.
You're almost as bad as Clogs for naysaying without suggesting alternatives..... :nod:

Clearly, new parties, etc would be funded with a mechanism to help them.

If we're going all in, then it's worth doing properly.

Re: The Australian Politics Thread

Posted: Fri Apr 02, 2021 1:18 am
by Pat the Ex Mat
guy smiley wrote: Fri Apr 02, 2021 1:15 am
Pat the Ex Mat wrote: Fri Apr 02, 2021 12:50 am
guy smiley wrote: Fri Apr 02, 2021 12:37 am
Pat the Ex Mat wrote: Fri Apr 02, 2021 12:32 am As mentioned, NSW has the only Global City so it attracts flies on shit
You've lived there too long :lol: :lol:

FFS... Melbourne dude, remember it?
I love Melbourne - but it's not a global city. FFS, you can still afford houses within 10Km of the CBD Man! :lol:

And yes, I have. Planning to exit before I am 50 - up the coast most likely
C'mon... a city rates as global if you can't afford a house within 10km of the CBD?

Melbourne consistently rates on those most liveable indexes that get trotted out. It hosts major annual sporting events like one of the four Grand Slam tennis events and an F1 GP. It hosts a MotoGP and World Superbike round.

Sydney's got a harbour and backpackers take selfies there.
Livable doesn't generally = Global city.

Sad but true.

Don't shoot the messenger

Re: The Australian Politics Thread

Posted: Fri Apr 02, 2021 1:19 am
by Ali's Choice
Given the Mining Industry almost exclusively advocates for the Coalition, I'm sure the ALP would ban mining donations in a heartbeat. Of course they can't because they are in Opposition. Alcohol and Tobacco donations are small beer in the broader context.

The ALP was outspent by conservative political parties by 5:1 at the last Federal election. It's main sources of revenue are it's members levies, union support and donations from Industry Super funds. The Coalition has just made it illegal for Super funds to donate to political parties, and has legislation in parliament to also ban union donations. These are FAR bigger issues than banning donations from alcohol funding.

Re: The Australian Politics Thread

Posted: Fri Apr 02, 2021 1:21 am
by Ali's Choice
Pat the Ex Mat wrote: Fri Apr 02, 2021 1:16 am
Ali's Choice wrote: Fri Apr 02, 2021 1:01 am
Pat the Ex Mat wrote: Fri Apr 02, 2021 12:57 am Clearly you don't know much about corruption if you think the current donation model is not open to abuse.

For all your love of politics, you're a bit of a Naif at times :lol:

Proportional funding from the Commonwealth - the system is already set up that way for expenses, cash per vote, etc - how do you think Pauline keeps running?

Tidy the whole thing up with an impartial Administrator role*






* Yes pipe-dreams I know.
Any system is open for abuse. I don't think our system is the worst, but I was interested in what system you preferred. I don't think a system funded by the Commonwealth would be at all fair, especially for new or minor parties. It would simply consolidate the status quo.
You're almost as bad as Clogs for naysaying without suggesting alternatives..... :nod:

Clearly, new parties, etc would be funded with a mechanism to help them.

If we're going all in, then it's worth doing properly.
I'm not suggesting alternatives because they aren't realistic. The ALP is in Opposition so can't pass anything. You're the one conflating the ALP's interest in a Federal Corruption watchdog with changes to Federal donation rules.

Re: The Australian Politics Thread

Posted: Fri Apr 02, 2021 1:24 am
by Pat the Ex Mat
Ali's Choice wrote: Fri Apr 02, 2021 1:19 am These are FAR bigger issues than banning donations from alcohol funding.
Not really - Federal and State Labor still receive a ton of funding from these and "Clubs"

Don't get me started on Pokie machines and their impact on society.

Re: The Australian Politics Thread

Posted: Fri Apr 02, 2021 1:24 am
by Ali's Choice
The AFR article backfired spectacularly. Maiden received almost universal support across social and mainstream media, and her twitter followers increased exponentially. And the AFR outed itself as being a mouthpiece for Scott Morrison.

Re: The Australian Politics Thread

Posted: Fri Apr 02, 2021 1:26 am
by Ali's Choice
Pat the Ex Mat wrote: Fri Apr 02, 2021 1:24 am
Ali's Choice wrote: Fri Apr 02, 2021 1:19 am These are FAR bigger issues than banning donations from alcohol funding.
Not really - Federal and State Labor still receive a ton of funding from these and "Clubs"

Don't get me started on Pokie machines and their impact on society.
You don't reckon the government making the Opposition's two biggest revenue sources illegal isn't a big deal? Really?

Re: The Australian Politics Thread

Posted: Fri Apr 02, 2021 1:35 am
by Ali's Choice
The problem with banning certain types of companies from donating to political parties is that it's almost impossible to police. Clive Palmer's mining company Minerology donated around $80 million to PUP for the last election, most of which went on anti-ALP attack ads that grievous assures us made no impact. Palmer's company did this because they can. But if mining companies were banned from donating to parties then Clive would just set up Public relations company and donate through that. If you banned all companies from donating you'd just get the system they have in the USA where Super-Pacs would do the fund raising for the parties to get around their donation laws.

Re: The Australian Politics Thread

Posted: Fri Apr 02, 2021 1:45 am
by Pat the Ex Mat
Ali's Choice wrote: Fri Apr 02, 2021 1:35 am The problem with banning certain types of companies from donating to political parties is that it's almost impossible to police. Clive Palmer's mining company Minerology donated around $80 million to PUP for the last election, most of which went on anti-ALP attack ads that grievous assures us made no impact. Palmer's company did this because they can. But if mining companies were banned from donating to parties then Clive would just set up Public relations company and donate through that. If you banned all companies from donating you'd just get the system they have in the USA where Super-Pacs would do the fund raising for the parties to get around their donation laws.
Hence why it becomes a Public-service run contribution.

You're arguing my case well

Re: The Australian Politics Thread

Posted: Fri Apr 02, 2021 1:48 am
by Ali's Choice
Pat the Ex Mat wrote: Fri Apr 02, 2021 1:45 am
Ali's Choice wrote: Fri Apr 02, 2021 1:35 am The problem with banning certain types of companies from donating to political parties is that it's almost impossible to police. Clive Palmer's mining company Minerology donated around $80 million to PUP for the last election, most of which went on anti-ALP attack ads that grievous assures us made no impact. Palmer's company did this because they can. But if mining companies were banned from donating to parties then Clive would just set up Public relations company and donate through that. If you banned all companies from donating you'd just get the system they have in the USA where Super-Pacs would do the fund raising for the parties to get around their donation laws.
Hence why it becomes a Public-service run contribution.

You're arguing my case well
So the government of the day decides how much money the Opposition parties get to campaign with? What could go wrong?

Re: The Australian Politics Thread

Posted: Fri Apr 02, 2021 2:05 am
by Pat the Ex Mat
guy smiley wrote: Fri Apr 02, 2021 2:04 am
Ali's Choice wrote: Fri Apr 02, 2021 1:48 am
Pat the Ex Mat wrote: Fri Apr 02, 2021 1:45 am
Ali's Choice wrote: Fri Apr 02, 2021 1:35 am The problem with banning certain types of companies from donating to political parties is that it's almost impossible to police. Clive Palmer's mining company Minerology donated around $80 million to PUP for the last election, most of which went on anti-ALP attack ads that grievous assures us made no impact. Palmer's company did this because they can. But if mining companies were banned from donating to parties then Clive would just set up Public relations company and donate through that. If you banned all companies from donating you'd just get the system they have in the USA where Super-Pacs would do the fund raising for the parties to get around their donation laws.
Hence why it becomes a Public-service run contribution.

You're arguing my case well
So the government of the day decides how much money the Opposition parties get to campaign with? What could go wrong?
Just limit all donations to $1000 and have a real time register published every week. Then those who give a shit can see who is buy influence and where.
Pretty much - that register is run by the Public service

Re: The Australian Politics Thread

Posted: Fri Apr 02, 2021 2:08 am
by Ali's Choice
Guy,

In theory that would be great. But in reality it would actually strengthen the power of big corporations. They wouldn't need to donate to parties, they would simply campaign on their behalf. The Minerals Council of Australia would continue to pump millions into anti Mining Tax ads and Mineralogy would continue to spend $80 million on ALP-attack ads because they see benefit in the Coalition being in government. And instead of donating money to the parties they would donate it to 3rd parties (Super PAC's) who would spend it on the parties' behalf.

Re: The Australian Politics Thread

Posted: Fri Apr 02, 2021 2:20 am
by Ali's Choice
I am certainly open to any discussion about changes to the Federal donation laws. I guess I am also just cognisant of the fact that any changes can have really negative, unintended outcomes. The worst system in Western democracies IMO is the USA and they have on the surface some of the most sensible donation rules. Everyone just works around them all and it just strengthens wealthy companies.

This whole discussion started because Pat made the link between Australia's laws and a Federal corruption watchdog. My hope is that if the ALP win the next election we will get a watchdog, regardless of any changes to our donation laws.

Re: The Australian Politics Thread

Posted: Fri Apr 02, 2021 2:28 am
by Pat the Ex Mat
Ali's Choice wrote: Fri Apr 02, 2021 2:20 am I am certainly open to any discussion about changes to the Federal donation laws. I guess I am also just cognisant of the fact that any changes can have really negative, unintended outcomes. The worst system in Western democracies IMO is the USA and they have on the surface some of the most sensible donation rules. Everyone just works around them all and it just strengthens wealthy companies.

This whole discussion started because Pat made the link between Australia's laws and a Federal corruption watchdog. My hope is that if the ALP win the next election we will get a watchdog, regardless of any changes to our donation laws.


If they get in and don't produce the goods, I hope you are the second (After Clogs) to call them on it

Re: The Australian Politics Thread

Posted: Fri Apr 02, 2021 2:33 am
by Ali's Choice
Pat the Ex Mat wrote: Fri Apr 02, 2021 2:28 am
Ali's Choice wrote: Fri Apr 02, 2021 2:20 am I am certainly open to any discussion about changes to the Federal donation laws. I guess I am also just cognisant of the fact that any changes can have really negative, unintended outcomes. The worst system in Western democracies IMO is the USA and they have on the surface some of the most sensible donation rules. Everyone just works around them all and it just strengthens wealthy companies.

This whole discussion started because Pat made the link between Australia's laws and a Federal corruption watchdog. My hope is that if the ALP win the next election we will get a watchdog, regardless of any changes to our donation laws.


If they get in and don't produce the goods, I hope you are the second (After Clogs) to call them on it
If they win the next election and can get enough support in the Senate then I guarantee that a Federal corruption watchdog will be created.

The ALP's next election focus will be a Federal ICAC, renewable energy and rebuilding our manufacturing industry.

Re: The Australian Politics Thread

Posted: Fri Apr 02, 2021 2:40 am
by Pat the Ex Mat
Answered like a true politician :lol:

Re: The Australian Politics Thread

Posted: Fri Apr 02, 2021 6:54 am
by towny
Ali's Choice wrote: Fri Apr 02, 2021 2:33 am
Pat the Ex Mat wrote: Fri Apr 02, 2021 2:28 am
Ali's Choice wrote: Fri Apr 02, 2021 2:20 am I am certainly open to any discussion about changes to the Federal donation laws. I guess I am also just cognisant of the fact that any changes can have really negative, unintended outcomes. The worst system in Western democracies IMO is the USA and they have on the surface some of the most sensible donation rules. Everyone just works around them all and it just strengthens wealthy companies.

This whole discussion started because Pat made the link between Australia's laws and a Federal corruption watchdog. My hope is that if the ALP win the next election we will get a watchdog, regardless of any changes to our donation laws.


If they get in and don't produce the goods, I hope you are the second (After Clogs) to call them on it
If they win the next election and can get enough support in the Senate then I guarantee that a Federal corruption watchdog will be created.

The ALP's next election focus will be a Federal ICAC, renewable energy and rebuilding our manufacturing industry.
Rebuilding manufacturing? Why don’t they go with more realistic politicies? For example, why can’t Australia win the race to Mars?

Re: The Australian Politics Thread

Posted: Fri Apr 02, 2021 9:37 am
by Clogs
Pat the Ex Mat wrote: Fri Apr 02, 2021 2:28 am
Ali's Choice wrote: Fri Apr 02, 2021 2:20 am I am certainly open to any discussion about changes to the Federal donation laws. I guess I am also just cognisant of the fact that any changes can have really negative, unintended outcomes. The worst system in Western democracies IMO is the USA and they have on the surface some of the most sensible donation rules. Everyone just works around them all and it just strengthens wealthy companies.

This whole discussion started because Pat made the link between Australia's laws and a Federal corruption watchdog. My hope is that if the ALP win the next election we will get a watchdog, regardless of any changes to our donation laws.


If they get in and don't produce the goods, I hope you are the second (After Clogs) to call them on it
If they can't beat this current pack of cvnts that are governing us at the next election they should give up politics for good.

Re: The Australian Politics Thread

Posted: Fri Apr 02, 2021 1:14 pm
by Pat the Ex Mat
Clogs wrote: Fri Apr 02, 2021 9:37 am
Pat the Ex Mat wrote: Fri Apr 02, 2021 2:28 am
Ali's Choice wrote: Fri Apr 02, 2021 2:20 am I am certainly open to any discussion about changes to the Federal donation laws. I guess I am also just cognisant of the fact that any changes can have really negative, unintended outcomes. The worst system in Western democracies IMO is the USA and they have on the surface some of the most sensible donation rules. Everyone just works around them all and it just strengthens wealthy companies.

This whole discussion started because Pat made the link between Australia's laws and a Federal corruption watchdog. My hope is that if the ALP win the next election we will get a watchdog, regardless of any changes to our donation laws.


If they get in and don't produce the goods, I hope you are the second (After Clogs) to call them on it
If they can't beat this current pack of cvnts that are governing us at the next election they should give up politics for good.
Sadly true

Re: The Australian Politics Thread

Posted: Fri Apr 02, 2021 9:06 pm
by Salient
The Morrison Government will consider a radical measure to prevent online bullying and trolling, but experts say the proposal would involve serious risks for social media users.

The government is considering forcing users of social media platforms like Twitter, Facebook and Instagram — as well as online dating platforms like Tinder — to upload 100 points of identification in order to use them.

The recommendation, which has been raised before, is one of 88 recommendations from a parliamentary committee report looking at family, domestic and sexual violence.
Source: News.com.au

ScoMo and his merry band of tech challenged muppets do get the interwebs is like international right? Or could this be the usual Coalition strategy of attempting to deflect when things go pear shaped?

I look forward to the various "experts" pointing out privacy issues, security issues, and darn it at the best a minor impact on local trolls.

Re: The Australian Politics Thread

Posted: Fri Apr 02, 2021 10:58 pm
by Ali's Choice
The Federal government has accepted the offer of help from the NSW govt to run vaccinations in that state. Seriously, this Federal govt cannot get anything right.

https://www.smh.com.au/politics/nsw/fed ... l#comments

Re: The Australian Politics Thread

Posted: Sun Apr 04, 2021 12:10 am
by Brumbie_Steve
Our kind of Bully.

Who would have thought.

Re: The Australian Politics Thread

Posted: Sun Apr 04, 2021 1:06 am
by Brumbie_Steve
Ali's Choice wrote: Fri Apr 02, 2021 1:24 am The AFR article backfired spectacularly. Maiden received almost universal support across social and mainstream media, and her twitter followers increased exponentially. And the AFR outed itself as being a mouthpiece for Scott Morrison.
I look forward to the defamation proceedings.

Re: The Australian Politics Thread

Posted: Sun Apr 04, 2021 4:52 am
by The Optimist
What a disgrace. The govt's delivery on their vaccine promises have been abject failure.Greg Hunt has proven himself another talking sock puppet, full of BS promises. Australia's vaccine performance. is piss poor when compared to other developed countries... if not the worst. Aussie politicians talk so much, blah blah blah, blah blah blah and yet are utterly incompetent.

Greg Hunt should fudge off.

They are now sending critical cases from PNG to Qld hospitals. I don't mind helping sending extra vaccines to PNG, but we still have 40,000 Aussies trying to return home. Seriously WTF?! Took me 10 months, 4 cancelled flights even though I bought an $8,000 business class airfare, airlines kept trying to up sell me a first class airfare for $12,000 - 15,000. Because the govt kept cutting the numbers of returnees allowed per week. Now they are talking about reducing the numbers of returnees again.

Aus of almost exclusively gone with AZ vaccine, of course it is the vaccine with the blood clot problems. Why would you not go with 3 different vaccines as most developed countries did? Not only has AZ problems it also has production problems in India and Europe, leaving Aus f**ked because ScoMo hasn't a fvcken clue.

I hope Greg Hunt gets frost bite on his nose.

Re: The Australian Politics Thread

Posted: Sun Apr 04, 2021 6:12 am
by Ellafan
The Optimist wrote: Sun Apr 04, 2021 4:52 am



Aus of almost exclusively gone with AZ vaccine, of course it is the vaccine with the blood clot problems.
I'm lined up fpr the Pfizer one, aren't you?

Re: The Australian Politics Thread

Posted: Sun Apr 04, 2021 6:41 am
by Farva
Does AZ have problems?
I know the media says so, but when I looked in to it no study could find a connection. I then looked at the prevelance of blood clots in the general population. It’s 1 in 1000 per year. So if we have given 200,000 vaccines we would expect maybe 2 or 3 people to present with clots within a few days of getting the vaccine. Is that not what we are seeing?

Re: The Australian Politics Thread

Posted: Sun Apr 04, 2021 6:45 am
by Farva
The Optimist wrote: Sun Apr 04, 2021 4:52 am
They are now sending critical cases from PNG to Qld hospitals. I don't mind helping sending extra vaccines to PNG, but we still have 40,000 Aussies trying to return home. Seriously WTF?! Took me 10 months, 4 cancelled flights even though I bought an $8,000 business class airfare, airlines kept trying to up sell me a first class airfare for $12,000 - 15,000. Because the govt kept cutting the numbers of returnees allowed per week. Now they are talking about reducing the numbers of returnees again.
This for me is the biggest issue. I have an Australian passport. I expect that I should be allowed to return to Australia when I want.
And why are we housing in hotels? Hotels don’t have the right infrastructure. They recycle air and don’t provide sufficient separation between individuals. It’s why we have had outbreaks.
We lay the blame for this in states but it’s a federal responsibility. The states don’t have the infrastructure to quarantine effectively. The feds do.

I really hope off the back of this we build the right quarantine facilities for the next pandemic that will inevitably happen.

Re: The Australian Politics Thread

Posted: Sun Apr 04, 2021 11:01 am
by freewheelan
Farva wrote: Sun Apr 04, 2021 6:45 am
The Optimist wrote: Sun Apr 04, 2021 4:52 am
They are now sending critical cases from PNG to Qld hospitals. I don't mind helping sending extra vaccines to PNG, but we still have 40,000 Aussies trying to return home. Seriously WTF?! Took me 10 months, 4 cancelled flights even though I bought an $8,000 business class airfare, airlines kept trying to up sell me a first class airfare for $12,000 - 15,000. Because the govt kept cutting the numbers of returnees allowed per week. Now they are talking about reducing the numbers of returnees again.
This for me is the biggest issue. I have an Australian passport. I expect that I should be allowed to return to Australia when I want.
And why are we housing in hotels? Hotels don’t have the right infrastructure. They recycle air and don’t provide sufficient separation between individuals. It’s why we have had outbreaks.
We lay the blame for this in states but it’s a federal responsibility. The states don’t have the infrastructure to quarantine effectively. The feds do.

I really hope off the back of this we build the right quarantine facilities for the next pandemic that will inevitably happen.
All roads in Australia lead to retards. The LNP are spastics who couldn't organise a root in a brothel.

Re: The Australian Politics Thread

Posted: Sun Apr 04, 2021 11:37 am
by Farva
freewheelan wrote: Sun Apr 04, 2021 11:01 am
Farva wrote: Sun Apr 04, 2021 6:45 am
The Optimist wrote: Sun Apr 04, 2021 4:52 am
They are now sending critical cases from PNG to Qld hospitals. I don't mind helping sending extra vaccines to PNG, but we still have 40,000 Aussies trying to return home. Seriously WTF?! Took me 10 months, 4 cancelled flights even though I bought an $8,000 business class airfare, airlines kept trying to up sell me a first class airfare for $12,000 - 15,000. Because the govt kept cutting the numbers of returnees allowed per week. Now they are talking about reducing the numbers of returnees again.
This for me is the biggest issue. I have an Australian passport. I expect that I should be allowed to return to Australia when I want.
And why are we housing in hotels? Hotels don’t have the right infrastructure. They recycle air and don’t provide sufficient separation between individuals. It’s why we have had outbreaks.
We lay the blame for this in states but it’s a federal responsibility. The states don’t have the infrastructure to quarantine effectively. The feds do.

I really hope off the back of this we build the right quarantine facilities for the next pandemic that will inevitably happen.
All roads in Australia lead to retards. The LNP are spastics who couldn't organise a root in a brothel.


Au contraire. They are quite good at that.

Re: The Australian Politics Thread

Posted: Sun Apr 04, 2021 11:59 am
by Pat the Ex Mat
The Optimist wrote: Sun Apr 04, 2021 4:52 am
Aus of almost exclusively gone with AZ vaccine, of course it is the vaccine with the blood clot problems.

Do you remember which vaccine you got as a child?

Seriously, it doesn't matter if it leads to mass immunity

Put your tin-hat away

Re: The Australian Politics Thread

Posted: Mon Apr 05, 2021 12:41 am
by UncleFB
The Optimist wrote: Sun Apr 04, 2021 4:52 am What a disgrace. The govt's delivery on their vaccine promises have been abject failure.Greg Hunt has proven himself another talking sock puppet, full of BS promises. Australia's vaccine performance. is piss poor when compared to other developed countries... if not the worst. Aussie politicians talk so much, blah blah blah, blah blah blah and yet are utterly incompetent.

Greg Hunt should fudge off.

They are now sending critical cases from PNG to Qld hospitals. I don't mind helping sending extra vaccines to PNG, but we still have 40,000 Aussies trying to return home. Seriously WTF?! Took me 10 months, 4 cancelled flights even though I bought an $8,000 business class airfare, airlines kept trying to up sell me a first class airfare for $12,000 - 15,000. Because the govt kept cutting the numbers of returnees allowed per week. Now they are talking about reducing the numbers of returnees again.

Aus of almost exclusively gone with AZ vaccine, of course it is the vaccine with the blood clot problems. Why would you not go with 3 different vaccines as most developed countries did? Not only has AZ problems it also has production problems in India and Europe, leaving Aus f**ked because ScoMo hasn't a fvcken clue.

I hope Greg Hunt gets frost bite on his nose.
When you treat a country like a colony, suck all it's natural resources out of it, when shit happens you have step in. Shit has happened.

Also, as much as I like putting the boot into Scotty and his band of fvckwits they got AZ because it does the job and it was quicker to source in larger numbers initially. Oz is getting all of the vaccines (and is getting as many Novavax when it becomes available as Az. As farva notes the blood clots are really irrelevant in the grand scheme of things.

Re: The Australian Politics Thread

Posted: Mon Apr 05, 2021 2:15 am
by Brumbie_Steve
UncleFB wrote: Mon Apr 05, 2021 12:41 am
The Optimist wrote: Sun Apr 04, 2021 4:52 am What a disgrace. The govt's delivery on their vaccine promises have been abject failure.Greg Hunt has proven himself another talking sock puppet, full of BS promises. Australia's vaccine performance. is piss poor when compared to other developed countries... if not the worst. Aussie politicians talk so much, blah blah blah, blah blah blah and yet are utterly incompetent.

Greg Hunt should fudge off.

They are now sending critical cases from PNG to Qld hospitals. I don't mind helping sending extra vaccines to PNG, but we still have 40,000 Aussies trying to return home. Seriously WTF?! Took me 10 months, 4 cancelled flights even though I bought an $8,000 business class airfare, airlines kept trying to up sell me a first class airfare for $12,000 - 15,000. Because the govt kept cutting the numbers of returnees allowed per week. Now they are talking about reducing the numbers of returnees again.

Aus of almost exclusively gone with AZ vaccine, of course it is the vaccine with the blood clot problems. Why would you not go with 3 different vaccines as most developed countries did? Not only has AZ problems it also has production problems in India and Europe, leaving Aus f**ked because ScoMo hasn't a fvcken clue.

I hope Greg Hunt gets frost bite on his nose.
When you treat a country like a colony, suck all it's natural resources out of it, when shit happens you have step in. Shit has happened.

Also, as much as I like putting the boot into Scotty and his band of fvckwits they got AZ because it does the job and it was quicker to source in larger numbers initially. Oz is getting all of the vaccines (and is getting as many Novavax when it becomes available as Az. As farva notes the blood clots are really irrelevant in the grand scheme of things.
:lol:

Re: The Australian Politics Thread

Posted: Mon Apr 05, 2021 7:58 am
by Farva
Jim Molan has announced he is taking time off after a serious cancer diagnosis.

I don’t like the mans politics but cancer is a plum. Hope he beats it. All the best Jim.

Re: The Australian Politics Thread

Posted: Mon Apr 05, 2021 8:23 am
by Ellafan
Brumbie_Steve wrote: Mon Apr 05, 2021 2:15 am
UncleFB wrote: Mon Apr 05, 2021 12:41 am
The Optimist wrote: Sun Apr 04, 2021 4:52 am What a disgrace. The govt's delivery on their vaccine promises have been abject failure.Greg Hunt has proven himself another talking sock puppet, full of BS promises. Australia's vaccine performance. is piss poor when compared to other developed countries... if not the worst. Aussie politicians talk so much, blah blah blah, blah blah blah and yet are utterly incompetent.

Greg Hunt should fudge off.

They are now sending critical cases from PNG to Qld hospitals. I don't mind helping sending extra vaccines to PNG, but we still have 40,000 Aussies trying to return home. Seriously WTF?! Took me 10 months, 4 cancelled flights even though I bought an $8,000 business class airfare, airlines kept trying to up sell me a first class airfare for $12,000 - 15,000. Because the govt kept cutting the numbers of returnees allowed per week. Now they are talking about reducing the numbers of returnees again.

Aus of almost exclusively gone with AZ vaccine, of course it is the vaccine with the blood clot problems. Why would you not go with 3 different vaccines as most developed countries did? Not only has AZ problems it also has production problems in India and Europe, leaving Aus f**ked because ScoMo hasn't a fvcken clue.

I hope Greg Hunt gets frost bite on his nose.
When you treat a country like a colony, suck all it's natural resources out of it, when shit happens you have step in. Shit has happened.

Also, as much as I like putting the boot into Scotty and his band of fvckwits they got AZ because it does the job and it was quicker to source in larger numbers initially. Oz is getting all of the vaccines (and is getting as many Novavax when it becomes available as Az. As farva notes the blood clots are really irrelevant in the grand scheme of things.
:lol:
Saying the blood clots are really irrelevant in the grand scheme of things, is a bit like saying covid deaths are irrelevant in the grand scheme of things, compared to, say, death from influenza related causes. The % incidence is similar.

Right Clogs?

Re: The Australian Politics Thread

Posted: Mon Apr 05, 2021 8:26 am
by grievous
UncleFB wrote: Mon Apr 05, 2021 12:41 am
The Optimist wrote: Sun Apr 04, 2021 4:52 am What a disgrace. The govt's delivery on their vaccine promises have been abject failure.Greg Hunt has proven himself another talking sock puppet, full of BS promises. Australia's vaccine performance. is piss poor when compared to other developed countries... if not the worst. Aussie politicians talk so much, blah blah blah, blah blah blah and yet are utterly incompetent.

Greg Hunt should fudge off.

They are now sending critical cases from PNG to Qld hospitals. I don't mind helping sending extra vaccines to PNG, but we still have 40,000 Aussies trying to return home. Seriously WTF?! Took me 10 months, 4 cancelled flights even though I bought an $8,000 business class airfare, airlines kept trying to up sell me a first class airfare for $12,000 - 15,000. Because the govt kept cutting the numbers of returnees allowed per week. Now they are talking about reducing the numbers of returnees again.

Aus of almost exclusively gone with AZ vaccine, of course it is the vaccine with the blood clot problems. Why would you not go with 3 different vaccines as most developed countries did? Not only has AZ problems it also has production problems in India and Europe, leaving Aus f**ked because ScoMo hasn't a fvcken clue.

I hope Greg Hunt gets frost bite on his nose.
When you treat a country like a colony, suck all it's natural resources out of it, when shit happens you have step in. Shit has happened.

Also, as much as I like putting the boot into Scotty and his band of fvckwits they got AZ because it does the job and it was quicker to source in larger numbers initially. Oz is getting all of the vaccines (and is getting as many Novavax when it becomes available as Az. As farva notes the blood clots are really irrelevant in the grand scheme of things.
Um er wat?

Re: The Australian Politics Thread

Posted: Mon Apr 05, 2021 9:30 am
by The Optimist
Image

The abject failure of this govt in one graph.

Re: The Australian Politics Thread

Posted: Tue Apr 06, 2021 1:20 am
by Clogs
Ellafan wrote: Mon Apr 05, 2021 8:23 am
Brumbie_Steve wrote: Mon Apr 05, 2021 2:15 am
UncleFB wrote: Mon Apr 05, 2021 12:41 am
The Optimist wrote: Sun Apr 04, 2021 4:52 am What a disgrace. The govt's delivery on their vaccine promises have been abject failure.Greg Hunt has proven himself another talking sock puppet, full of BS promises. Australia's vaccine performance. is piss poor when compared to other developed countries... if not the worst. Aussie politicians talk so much, blah blah blah, blah blah blah and yet are utterly incompetent.

Greg Hunt should fudge off.

They are now sending critical cases from PNG to Qld hospitals. I don't mind helping sending extra vaccines to PNG, but we still have 40,000 Aussies trying to return home. Seriously WTF?! Took me 10 months, 4 cancelled flights even though I bought an $8,000 business class airfare, airlines kept trying to up sell me a first class airfare for $12,000 - 15,000. Because the govt kept cutting the numbers of returnees allowed per week. Now they are talking about reducing the numbers of returnees again.

Aus of almost exclusively gone with AZ vaccine, of course it is the vaccine with the blood clot problems. Why would you not go with 3 different vaccines as most developed countries did? Not only has AZ problems it also has production problems in India and Europe, leaving Aus f**ked because ScoMo hasn't a fvcken clue.

I hope Greg Hunt gets frost bite on his nose.
When you treat a country like a colony, suck all it's natural resources out of it, when shit happens you have step in. Shit has happened.

Also, as much as I like putting the boot into Scotty and his band of fvckwits they got AZ because it does the job and it was quicker to source in larger numbers initially. Oz is getting all of the vaccines (and is getting as many Novavax when it becomes available as Az. As farva notes the blood clots are really irrelevant in the grand scheme of things.
:lol:
Saying the blood clots are really irrelevant in the grand scheme of things, is a bit like saying covid deaths are irrelevant in the grand scheme of things, compared to, say, death from influenza related causes. The % incidence is similar.

Right Clogs?
Yes. But no. Maybe?

Re: The Australian Politics Thread

Posted: Tue Apr 06, 2021 7:44 am
by Ali's Choice
Interesting day in Australian politics;

- News Ltd continues to highlight Scott Morrison about his government's bungled vaccination roll-out. In a press conference this afternoon Morrison denied that his govt ever promised 4 million shot by the end of March, saying they never had access to that many doses.

When asked about the slow pace of vaccinations this is one of his answers, verbatim;

"We are hoping to realise the figures that have been achieved to some extent”. I can only assume that Dan54 is one of his speech writers?

- Govt MP's an senators are now openly attacking Grace Tame, in aa co-ordinated attempt to silence her. Today Senator Amandar Stoker got stuck into her on her first day on the job as one of Morrisons new Ministers for Women.

- Jacinta Ardern announced that a travel bubble between NZ and Australia will open from April 18th, allowing quarantine free travel between both countries.

Re: The Australian Politics Thread

Posted: Tue Apr 06, 2021 7:57 am
by Sensible Stephen
Ali's Choice wrote: Tue Apr 06, 2021 7:44 am Interesting day in Australian politics;

- News Ltd continues to highlight Scott Morrison about his government's bungled vaccination roll-out. In a press conference this afternoon Morrison denied that his govt ever promised 4 million shot by the end of March, saying they never had access to that many doses.

When asked about the slow pace of vaccinations this is one of his answers, verbatim;

"We are hoping to realise the figures that have been achieved to some extent”. I can only assume that Dan54 is one of his speech writers?
No doubt they have screwed up, but I read CSR are pumping out 100s of thousands of doses a week. Just they can't be released as the batches are being assessed over the blood clot thing.

Hopefully when that is all cleared we will see a huge ramp up.

In saying that, looks like they have screwed up how those will get delivered to people....

Re: The Australian Politics Thread

Posted: Tue Apr 06, 2021 8:01 am
by Ali's Choice
Sensible Stephen wrote: Tue Apr 06, 2021 7:57 am
Ali's Choice wrote: Tue Apr 06, 2021 7:44 am Interesting day in Australian politics;

- News Ltd continues to highlight Scott Morrison about his government's bungled vaccination roll-out. In a press conference this afternoon Morrison denied that his govt ever promised 4 million shot by the end of March, saying they never had access to that many doses.

When asked about the slow pace of vaccinations this is one of his answers, verbatim;

"We are hoping to realise the figures that have been achieved to some extent”. I can only assume that Dan54 is one of his speech writers?
No doubt they have screwed up, but I read CSR are pumping out 100s of thousands of doses a week. Just they can't be released as the batches are being assessed over the blood clot thing.

Hopefully when that is all cleared we will see a huge ramp up.

In saying that, looks like they have screwed up how those will get delivered to people....
It's either safe or it isn't. I thought the whole reason why our vaccination started months behind the rest of the Western world was because we were triple checking all the vaccinations before approving them>

In the town I live in in QLD all residents of the local aged care centres have been told to source their own vaccinations from GP's, and the GP's are refusing to wave their usual appointment fees. I imagine this situation is being replicated right across QLD.