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Bindi wrote: ↑Thu Apr 08, 2021 11:04 am Govt has just declared that only over 50s will be getting the locally-made vaccine. Rest will be getting Pfizer. Major setback. At least another full year to vaccination now. Probably the right decision though. Pity the backup plan wasn't more well thought out to begin with though.

What a complete balls up.

I was booked in for the 22nd. Likely postponed now as I am 46

While the UQ technology is capable, a lot of funding is required if they want to go down the COVID-19 route. Phase I to III trials are very expensive. Maybe the AZ disaster will help with that. Maybe CSL will come stump up some money as they can actually manufacture it in contrast to the mRNA vaccines.

Now that mRNA vaccines have proven successful however, they have such a massive development time advantage over any other approach, it’s difficult to see that they won’t be the major focus of R&D money. We’ll see more manufacturing capacity for those over the next 5 years.

Govt having a shocker... and then this happens.
What a cock up.

States - I think - would have righted the delivery issues and got vaccines out there but now there maybe genuine supply issues.

I hope that they have enough now to cover:
- front line medical - quarantine staff
- over 70s (ideally over 40s with underlying)

That should protect critical health staff and reduce deaths if there were was further outbreaks.

The problem is that Scott Morrison and his ministers have been merciless in their criticism of the states management of the very complex Hotel Quarantine programs. Every time there has been a spread of infection from Hotel Quarantine in a Labor State, Morrison and his minister have attacked and ridiculed that state government. Keeping in mind that states had only one week to establish these systems from scratch.

Morrison and Hunt have had 12 months to develop a vaccination framework, and now that this has transcended into a farce they are arrogantly demanding we give them more time, and blaming everyone but themselves. Four months ago the Federal ALP was pleading with Morrison not to put all our eggs into the AZ basket, but he arrogantly refused to consider their advice. Well here we are today with the slowest vaccination roll-out of all western democracies, and Morrison now admitting that there is zero chance that all Australians will be vaccinated by the end of the year, after originally boasting that we'd all get our dose by October.

Ali's Choice wrote: ↑Thu Apr 08, 2021 11:10 pm The problem is that Scott Morrison and his ministers have been merciless in their criticism of the states management of the very complex Hotel Quarantine programs. Every time there has been a spread of infection from Hotel Quarantine in a Labor State, Morrison and his minister have attacked and ridiculed that state government. Keeping in mind that states had only one week to establish these systems from scratch.

Morrison and Hunt have had 12 months to develop a vaccination framework, and now that this has transcended into a farce they are arrogantly demanding we give them more time, and blaming everyone but themselves. Four months ago the Federal ALP was pleading with Morrison not to put all our eggs into the AZ basket, but he arrogantly refused to consider their advice. Well here we are today with the slowest vaccination roll-out of all western democracies, and Morrison now admitting that there is zero chance that all Australians will be vaccinated by the end of the year, after originally boasting that we'd all get our dose by October.

The New Zealand vaccination roll out program says hold my beer!

jambanja wrote: ↑Thu Apr 08, 2021 11:26 pm The New Zealand vaccination roll out program says hold my beer!

Yep, looks like your vaccination is slow as well. Of course my point wasn't just that our Federal government has botched the vaccination program. But that it has been merciless with the state governments, and sought political advantage every time there has been community infection as a result of spread Hotel Quarantine. Whereas the NZ national government run your HQ. Our Federal government has had 12 months to develop a vaccination framework and have failed miserably.

Australia is still expecting 51 million Novavax jabs later in the year and is looking at if it can bring other vaccines forward.

How realistic is this? And why are they talking about Pfizer when we have 50 million Novavax coming down the pipeline? Still unknowns associated with Novavax?

Sensible Stephen wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 12:20 am

Australia is still expecting 51 million Novavax jabs later in the year and is looking at if it can bring other vaccines forward.

How realistic is this? And why are they talking about Pfizer when we have 50 million Novavax coming down the pipeline? Still unknowns associated with Novavax?

I think the Federal Govt is so desperate for any good news now that they're literally just throwing any and all news out there to the public and hoping that some of it will distract people from what's actually going on. Greg Hunt in a press conference this morning refused to even disclose where the extra Pfizer doses were being sourced from, saying that was classified. I mean c'mon, that's just taking the piss.

Sensible Stephen wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 12:20 am

Australia is still expecting 51 million Novavax jabs later in the year and is looking at if it can bring other vaccines forward.

How realistic is this? And why are they talking about Pfizer when we have 50 million Novavax coming down the pipeline? Still unknowns associated with Novavax?

Yeah. Novavax are struggling, apparently. Nothing getting going from them until September at the earliest

shanky wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 12:24 am

Sensible Stephen wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 12:20 am

Australia is still expecting 51 million Novavax jabs later in the year and is looking at if it can bring other vaccines forward.

How realistic is this? And why are they talking about Pfizer when we have 50 million Novavax coming down the pipeline? Still unknowns associated with Novavax?

Yeah. Novavax are struggling, apparently. Nothing getting going from them until September at the earliest

FFS. What a cluster. Maybe we can travel again in 2023.

Simon Birmingham on Sky News right now boasting to Laura Jayes about the Federal Government's "gold standard" health response to COVID-19, and declaring how it was the Federal government that kept Australia safe during the pandemic.

Sensible Stephen wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 12:31 am

shanky wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 12:24 am

Sensible Stephen wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 12:20 am

Australia is still expecting 51 million Novavax jabs later in the year and is looking at if it can bring other vaccines forward.

How realistic is this? And why are they talking about Pfizer when we have 50 million Novavax coming down the pipeline? Still unknowns associated with Novavax?

Yeah. Novavax are struggling, apparently. Nothing getting going from them until September at the earliest

FFS. What a cluster. Maybe we can travel again in 2023.

Meanwhile, people in Britain are heading back to the pub on Monday, having started the journey back to normality.
This looks terrible for Morrison already, but will look 100x worse in a few months when Britons will be able to come here, but we can’t go there.

Ali's Choice wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 12:35 am Simon Birmingham on Sky News right now boasting to Laura Jayes about the Federal Government's "gold standard" health response to COVID-19, and declaring how it was the Federal government that kept Australia safe during the pandemic.

This is a government that would boast of its gold standard bureau of meteorology then step out into the rain without an umbrella. And blame Andrews and Paluszczuk.

MungoMan wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 12:43 am

Ali's Choice wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 12:35 am Simon Birmingham on Sky News right now boasting to Laura Jayes about the Federal Government's "gold standard" health response to COVID-19, and declaring how it was the Federal government that kept Australia safe during the pandemic.

This is a government that would boast of its gold standard bureau of meteorology then step out into the rain without an umbrella. And blame Andrews and Paluszczuk.

Really worrying to see our CMO Paul Kelly engaging in Morrison-esque political speak this morning. Moving his mouth and making words, but saying absolutely nothing. The Sky News host repeatedly asked him about the government's own October deadline to vaccinate the entire country, and he danced around the question spewing out word salad without actually answering it.

shanky wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 12:37 am

Sensible Stephen wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 12:31 am

shanky wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 12:24 am

Sensible Stephen wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 12:20 am

Australia is still expecting 51 million Novavax jabs later in the year and is looking at if it can bring other vaccines forward.

How realistic is this? And why are they talking about Pfizer when we have 50 million Novavax coming down the pipeline? Still unknowns associated with Novavax?

Yeah. Novavax are struggling, apparently. Nothing getting going from them until September at the earliest

FFS. What a cluster. Maybe we can travel again in 2023.

Meanwhile, people in Britain are heading back to the pub on Monday, having started the journey back to normality.
This looks terrible for Morrison already, but will look 100x worse in a few months when Britons will be able to come here, but we can’t go there.

Exactly. When Europe, US etc are happily going on overseas holidays and we are still worried about states locking down.... its not going to be a good look.

I doubt that even ScoMo can spin this for too much longer. No wonder he looked 'ashen-faced' last night.

I actually think the vaccination debacle is good news for Scott Morrison because the focus is no longer on Christien Porter and Miss Higgins. It's easier to talk about a slow vaccination rollout than rapes and sexual assaults.

shanky wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 12:37 am
This looks terrible for Morrison already, but will look 100x worse in a few months when Britons will be able to come here, but we can’t go there.

It will be worse as they'd still be carriers - we can't let them in as we are un-vaccinated.

There goes the tourist industry....

Pat the Ex Mat wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 1:04 am

shanky wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 12:37 am
This looks terrible for Morrison already, but will look 100x worse in a few months when Britons will be able to come here, but we can’t go there.

It will be worse as they'd still be carriers - we can't let them in as we are un-vaccinated.

There goes the tourist industry....

And the University/Tertiary study sector, which is our 2nd biggest export industry after mining.

Ali's Choice wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 1:07 am

Pat the Ex Mat wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 1:04 am

shanky wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 12:37 am
This looks terrible for Morrison already, but will look 100x worse in a few months when Britons will be able to come here, but we can’t go there.

It will be worse as they'd still be carriers - we can't let them in as we are un-vaccinated.

There goes the tourist industry....

And the University/Tertiary study sector, which is our 2nd biggest export industry after mining.

Ironically pressured into that business model by the LNP....

Ouch!

This clip of Greg Hunt boasting about Australia's vaccination plans hasn't aged very well

https://twitter.com/i/status/1380324262615998464

Ali's Choice wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 2:08 am This clip of Greg Hunt boasting about Australia's vaccination plans hasn't aged very well

https://twitter.com/i/status/1380324262615998464

They need to hammer the government now. Where are these Pfizer vaccines coming from and when will we have a 100% vaccination rate. I want how. I want when. I don't care about oh who would have seen this blood clot thing coming. I want solutions and I want them now.

Sensible Stephen wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 2:14 am

Ali's Choice wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 2:08 am This clip of Greg Hunt boasting about Australia's vaccination plans hasn't aged very well

https://twitter.com/i/status/1380324262615998464

They need to hammer the government now. Where are these Pfizer vaccines coming from and when will we have a 100% vaccination rate. I want how. I want when. I don't care about oh who would have seen this blood clot thing coming. I want solutions and I want them now.

Greg Hunt today refused to disclose the source of future Pfizer doses when asked today in a press conference. Said that was confidential information.

Ali's Choice wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 2:19 am

Sensible Stephen wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 2:14 am

Ali's Choice wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 2:08 am This clip of Greg Hunt boasting about Australia's vaccination plans hasn't aged very well

https://twitter.com/i/status/1380324262615998464

They need to hammer the government now. Where are these Pfizer vaccines coming from and when will we have a 100% vaccination rate. I want how. I want when. I don't care about oh who would have seen this blood clot thing coming. I want solutions and I want them now.

Greg Hunt today refused to disclose the source of future Pfizer doses when asked today in a press conference. Said that was confidential information.

Labor need to corner him and get dates. Its not acceptable. If they aren't coming until July next year, we should at least know.

Be interesting if:
- Fed government get knocked down over the shit vaccine rollout(eg heads roll, lose a few teeth)
- if Labor gains on and over the LNP in any meaningful way (do/will voters care?)

I personally think the rape scandals are worse and more impactful in regards to voting.

kiwigreg369 wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 2:26 am Be interesting if:
- Fed government get knocked down over the shit vaccine rollout(eg heads roll, lose a few teeth)
- if Labor gains on and over the LNP in any meaningful way (do/will voters care?)

I personally think the rape scandals are worse and more impactful in regards to voting.

If polls are to be believed, the ALP has made significant gains on the govt, leading 52-48 2PP in both the Newspoll and Essential polls. That's a thrashing in the Australian political context.

Sadly the days of the GG interfering appear to have stopped with Whitlam...

Ali's Choice wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 2:30 am

kiwigreg369 wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 2:26 am Be interesting if:
- Fed government get knocked down over the shit vaccine rollout(eg heads roll, lose a few teeth)
- if Labor gains on and over the LNP in any meaningful way (do/will voters care?)

I personally think the rape scandals are worse and more impactful in regards to voting.

If polls are to be believed, the ALP has made significant gains on the govt, leading 52-48 2PP in both the Newspoll and Essential polls. That's a thrashing in the Australian political context.

In fairness that should be 62-38. This is the problem with rusted on voters. Their team can rape and pillage at will and they are unlikely to change their vote.

Clogs wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 3:07 am

Ali's Choice wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 2:30 am

kiwigreg369 wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 2:26 am Be interesting if:
- Fed government get knocked down over the shit vaccine rollout(eg heads roll, lose a few teeth)
- if Labor gains on and over the LNP in any meaningful way (do/will voters care?)

I personally think the rape scandals are worse and more impactful in regards to voting.

If polls are to be believed, the ALP has made significant gains on the govt, leading 52-48 2PP in both the Newspoll and Essential polls. That's a thrashing in the Australian political context.

In fairness that should be 62-38. This is the problem with rusted on voters. Their team can rape and pillage at will and they are unlikely to change their vote.

Rusted on Coalition voters are certainly a problem. If you're still satisfied with this govt, and with Scott Morrison as PM, then you're never going to change your vote.

Ali's Choice wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 3:12 am

Rusted on Coalition voters are certainly a problem. If you're still satisfied with this govt, and with Scott Morrison as PM, then you're never going to change your vote.

He attends a megachurch. HES A GOOD MAN.

Rusted on voters are a problem fullstop.

Sensible Stephen wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 3:22 am

Ali's Choice wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 3:12 am

Rusted on Coalition voters are certainly a problem. If you're still satisfied with this govt, and with Scott Morrison as PM, then you're never going to change your vote.

He attends a megachurch. HES A GOOD MAN.

Rusted on voters are a problem fullstop.

Unless they vote for the good guys (ie. the ALP).

Just when we thought things couldn't get worse, NSW has suspended use of the AZ vaccine for all age groups, directly contradicting the Federal government's own directions.

https://www.smh.com.au/national/coronav ... 57hqt.html

They have just announced they have procured an extra 20 million doses of Pfizer.

Due at the end of the year....

Its a cluster but at least we have visibility.

So just to recap.

The moment Scotty and his boys start copping scrutiny about the vaccine rollout the Australian Technical Advisory Group on Immunisation suddenly change their position on Astra Zeneca without any substantially different facts from what has been known for a month or so now.

How independent is ATAGI?

We need to see some timelines

Ignoring the over 50 thing in NSW....

When will all over 50s be vaccinated?

When do the first 10 million people get the Pfizer shots and who are these people.

Finally, who are the last 10 million people that get the second batch of Pfizer - in December presumably.

UncleFB wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 6:03 am So just to recap.

The moment Scotty and his boys start copping scrutiny about the vaccine rollout the Australian Technical Advisory Group on Immunisation suddenly change their position on Astra Zeneca without any substantially different facts from what has been known for a month or so now.

How independent is ATAGI?

Somethings off. Why is it over 30s in the UK, but over 50s here....

Sensible Stephen wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 6:04 am We need to see some timelines

Ignoring the over 50 thing in NSW....

When will all over 50s be vaccinated?

When do the first 10 million people get the Pfizer shots and who are these people.

Finally, who are the last 10 million people that get the second batch of Pfizer - in December presumably.

Talking to my Physio, she'd heard that the elderly would get the AZ Hap and then the Pfizer one reserved for them would be rolled out to Front-line/1B patients instead.

Waiting to hear back re my appointment

shanky wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 12:37 am

Sensible Stephen wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 12:31 am

shanky wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 12:24 am

Sensible Stephen wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 12:20 am

Australia is still expecting 51 million Novavax jabs later in the year and is looking at if it can bring other vaccines forward.

How realistic is this? And why are they talking about Pfizer when we have 50 million Novavax coming down the pipeline? Still unknowns associated with Novavax?

Yeah. Novavax are struggling, apparently. Nothing getting going from them until September at the earliest

FFS. What a cluster. Maybe we can travel again in 2023.

Meanwhile, people in Britain are heading back to the pub on Monday, having started the journey back to normality.
This looks terrible for Morrison already, but will look 100x worse in a few months when Britons will be able to come here, but we can’t go there.

If it’s any consolation, Swedes will still be barred from going anywhere.

It’s no consolation at all

I want Swedes to be able to come here.

Well, all except for Mog. That weirdo can fvck right off.

shanky wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 7:35 am It’s no consolation at all

I want Swedes to be able to come here.

Well, all except for Mog. That weirdo can fvck right off.