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Author:  Farva [ Fri Aug 30, 2013 10:58 am ]
Post subject:  The Australian Politics Thread

What: Kirribilli Blues (Coalition) vs. Townsville Reds (ALP)

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When: 2 July 2016 - 3 July 2016 (1976 Queensland)
Note that whoever wins is bound to be ousted by their party within weeks. Its the Australian way.

Where: Australia

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Weather: Hot. Damned hot.

Match Officials:

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Referee: Rupert Murdoch

Kirribilli Blues:

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Malcolm Turnbull (Prime Minister)
Warren Truss (Deputy Prime Minister)
Julie Bishop (Minister for Foreign Affairs)
George Brandis (Attorney-General)
Mathais Cormann (Minister for FInance)
Scott Morrison (Treasurer)
Barnaby Joyce (Minister for Keeping the Dogs Out)
Christopher Paiynnne (Minister for Industry, Innovation and Science)
Nigel Scullion (Minister for Indigenous Affairs)
Marise Payne (Minister for Defence)
Susan Ley (etc)
Peter Dutton (Minister for Torture Camps)
Greg Hunt (Minister for Ruining the Environment)
Arthur Sinodinos (Cabinet Secretary for Fiddling the Books)
Tony Abbot (Chief Budgie Smuggler)

Townsville Reds

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Bill Shorten (Leader of the Opposition)
Tanya Plibicek (Deputy Leader, Shadow Minister for Trade and Investment)
Penny Wong (Shadow Minister for Defence)
Chris Bowen (Shadow Treasurer)
Michelle Rowland (Shadow Minister for Small Business and Citizenship and Multiculturalism)
Tony Burke (Manager of Opposition Business)
Mark Dreyfus (Shadow Minister for the Arts)
Kim Carr (Shadow Minister for Higher Education, Research, Innovation and Industry)
Anthony Albanese (Shadow Minister for Cities, Infrastructure and Transport and Tourism)
Katy Gallagher (Shadow Minister for a lot)
Mark Butler (Shadow Minister for Environment, Climate Change and Water)
Kate Ellis (Shadow Minister for Early Childhood and Education)
Joel Fitzgibbon (Shadow Minister for Resources, Northern Australia and State)
Jason Clare (Shadow Minister for Communications)

Author:  c69 [ Fri Aug 30, 2013 10:59 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Ozzie election thread mk II

Is there a rugby angle?

Author:  Farva [ Fri Aug 30, 2013 11:05 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Ozzie election thread mk II

I believe joe hockey, the shadow treasurer, was a prop.

Author:  dam0 [ Fri Aug 30, 2013 11:06 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Ozzie election thread mk II

Could someone please give me a precis sketch of the last 50 pages of the last one? I was working my way through it but suddenly it is gone. I was up to about page 100. Cheers.

Author:  Cullen [ Fri Aug 30, 2013 11:13 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Ozzie election thread mk II

While I was living in London a mate picked up a bird in the pub. Went back to her place and got it on. He was doing her doggy style and it slipped out and with the next stroke went straight up her ass.

She went berserk, saying he had doe it on purpose and mentioned te word rape. He was trying to calm her down, saying it was an accident, while at the same time getting his clothes together. She was still wild, so once he was dressed he bolted from he house and got a cab home.

Surely that cannot get you in trouble?

Author:  Farva [ Fri Aug 30, 2013 11:16 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Ozzie election thread mk II

dam0 wrote:
Could someone please give me a precis sketch of the last 50 pages of the last one? I was working my way through it but suddenly it is gone. I was up to about page 100. Cheers.

Ischooled towny on refugee policy.
There was a long discussion about NBN

Laughs were had.

Author:  les@mooloolaba [ Fri Aug 30, 2013 11:23 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Ozzie election thread mk II

Rudd is showing himself to be the man we thought he was. Lacking good temperament. Glad to see the back of the snivelling little plum. :yawn:

Author:  6roucho [ Fri Aug 30, 2013 11:30 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Ozzie election thread mk II

I actually remember all of the last thread. I'll retype it:

Tony Abbott, Rudd's a germ, no policies, stop the boats, middle class warfare, unelectable Greens, Juliar.

Did I miss anything?

Author:  JPB [ Fri Aug 30, 2013 11:31 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Ozzie election thread mk II

Cullen wrote:
While I was living in London a mate picked up a bird in the pub. Went back to her place and got it on. He was doing her doggy style and it slipped out and with the next stroke went straight up her ass.

She went berserk, saying he had doe it on purpose and mentioned te word rape. He was trying to calm her down, saying it was an accident, while at the same time getting his clothes together. She was still wild, so once he was dressed he bolted from he house and got a cab home.

Surely that cannot get you in trouble?


is that the summary of the deleted thread ?

Author:  Cullen [ Fri Aug 30, 2013 12:07 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Ozzie election thread mk II

JPB wrote:
Cullen wrote:
While I was living in London a mate picked up a bird in the pub. Went back to her place and got it on. He was doing her doggy style and it slipped out and with the next stroke went straight up her ass.

She went berserk, saying he had doe it on purpose and mentioned te word rape. He was trying to calm her down, saying it was an accident, while at the same time getting his clothes together. She was still wild, so once he was dressed he bolted from he house and got a cab home.

Surely that cannot get you in trouble?


is that the summary of the deleted thread ?

Sums up Oz politics.

Author:  Bod [ Fri Aug 30, 2013 12:21 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Ozzie election thread mk II

Cullen wrote:
JPB wrote:
Cullen wrote:
While I was living in London a mate picked up a bird in the pub. Went back to her place and got it on. He was doing her doggy style and it slipped out and with the next stroke went straight up her ass.

She went berserk, saying he had doe it on purpose and mentioned te word rape. He was trying to calm her down, saying it was an accident, while at the same time getting his clothes together. She was still wild, so once he was dressed he bolted from he house and got a cab home.

Surely that cannot get you in trouble?


is that the summary of the deleted thread ?

Sums up Oz politics.


How does the Lions and Ashes debacles impact on all that Cullen?

Author:  Mat the Expat [ Fri Aug 30, 2013 12:26 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Ozzie election thread mk II

They deleted the Election thread? :?

Author:  Farva [ Fri Aug 30, 2013 12:30 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Ozzie election thread mk II

Mat the Expat wrote:
They deleted the Election thread? :?

f**king useless.

Author:  Cullen [ Fri Aug 30, 2013 12:30 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Ozzie election thread mk II

Bod wrote:
Cullen wrote:
JPB wrote:
Cullen wrote:
While I was living in London a mate picked up a bird in the pub. Went back to her place and got it on. He was doing her doggy style and it slipped out and with the next stroke went straight up her ass.

She went berserk, saying he had doe it on purpose and mentioned te word rape. He was trying to calm her down, saying it was an accident, while at the same time getting his clothes together. She was still wild, so once he was dressed he bolted from he house and got a cab home.

Surely that cannot get you in trouble?


is that the summary of the deleted thread ?

Sums up Oz politics.


How does the Lions and Ashes debacles impact on all that Cullen?


The Lions and English Cricket are like my mate. Went in for some pre-arranged fun and ended up f**king the Ozzies in the arse.

Author:  Mat the Expat [ Fri Aug 30, 2013 12:46 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Ozzie election thread mk II

Towny finally admitted defeat and got the thread nuked to hide is utterances

Author:  grievous [ Fri Aug 30, 2013 1:52 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Ozzie election thread mk II

Cullen wrote:
JPB wrote:
Cullen wrote:
While I was living in London a mate picked up a bird in the pub. Went back to her place and got it on. He was doing her doggy style and it slipped out and with the next stroke went straight up her ass.

She went berserk, saying he had doe it on purpose and mentioned te word rape. He was trying to calm her down, saying it was an accident, while at the same time getting his clothes together. She was still wild, so once he was dressed he bolted from he house and got a cab home.

Surely that cannot get you in trouble?


is that the summary of the deleted thread ?

Sums up Oz politics.

stick to the "Oz whinge about ref" threads son.

Author:  grievous [ Fri Aug 30, 2013 1:53 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Ozzie election thread mk II

Farva wrote:
Mat the Expat wrote:
They deleted the Election thread? :?

f**king useless.

f**king why?
I put alot of hate into that thread!

Author:  Vuaka [ Fri Aug 30, 2013 1:55 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Ozzie election thread mk II

grievous wrote:
Farva wrote:
Mat the Expat wrote:
They deleted the Election thread? :?

f**king useless.

f**king why?
I put alot of hate into that thread!


Feck.

I was getting the Abbott is our George W Bush angle going. :x

Author:  Vuaka [ Fri Aug 30, 2013 1:58 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Ozzie election thread mk II

Just to keep this rugby related, Abbott played prop at Sydney Uni. I wonder how, because in the 70s props were built like the Michelin man.

Author:  Taranaki Snapper [ Fri Aug 30, 2013 3:05 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Ozzie election thread mk II

to summarise:
Rudd's a plum;
Abbott's worse;
Save the Furniture...

Author:  Waratah [ Fri Aug 30, 2013 3:13 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Ozzie election thread mk II

Wait , what? Please explain? 25 words or less where is the old thread and why? What happened?

Author:  kiap [ Fri Aug 30, 2013 3:25 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Ozzie election thread mk II

Waratah wrote:
Wait , what? Please explain? 25 words or less where is the old thread and why? What happened?

Gooooooornnne.

Gone in the name of rugby. Mutton and Mitty got banned and used the codez to contact Rupert directly.

Rup's admins deleted some non-rugby threads on page one to show everyone who's boss.

Author:  Taranaki Snapper [ Fri Aug 30, 2013 3:28 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Ozzie election thread mk II

Waratah wrote:
Wait , what? Please explain? 25 words or less where is the old thread and why? What happened?


Mitty &/or Muttonbird went the Full Dozy, emailed the big boss with threats and teh Site Admin responded with a random semi site wipe...

Author:  6roucho [ Fri Aug 30, 2013 3:29 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Ozzie election thread mk II

Not all the non rugby threads. Anything associated with South Africa stayed. South African snipers. Cape Town in pictures. Western Cape having a little rain.

Author:  Waratah [ Fri Aug 30, 2013 3:30 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Ozzie election thread mk II

Jake got in touch offline, owners pissed etc etc.

Uh uh.
I

Author:  grievous [ Fri Aug 30, 2013 3:36 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Ozzie election thread mk II

Taranaki Snapper wrote:
Waratah wrote:
Wait , what? Please explain? 25 words or less where is the old thread and why? What happened?


Mitty &/or Muttonbird went the Full Dozy, emailed the big boss with threats and teh Site Admin responded with a random semi site wipe...

Nevertheless they will get another login and return then we do this all again

Author:  Waratah [ Fri Aug 30, 2013 3:48 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Ozzie election thread mk II

Waratah wrote:
Jake got in touch offline, owners pissed etc etc.

Uh uh.
I
Autosub: 'J-a-k-e' = PR's Offical MVP.

Author:  Waratah [ Fri Aug 30, 2013 3:49 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Ozzie election thread mk II

Waratah wrote:
Waratah wrote:
PR's Offical MVP got in touch offline, owners pissed etc etc.

Uh uh.
I
Autosub: 'J-a-k-e' = PR's Offical MVP.

Aha. Only if you quote the thread, will you will see the substitute for 'Jake'

Author:  shanky [ Fri Aug 30, 2013 4:01 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Ozzie election thread mk II

Meh. plum.

I'm done with it.

Author:  Working Class Rugger [ Fri Aug 30, 2013 4:15 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Ozzie election thread mk II

Sorry but what happened to prompt the need for a new thread?

Author:  Salient [ Sat Aug 31, 2013 12:36 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Ozzie election thread mk II

You really have to wonder who the lame arses are who are running this site. While a lot of forum sites are fighting for members and content PR go out of their way to piss members off and are losing members hand over fist, insert your own joke.

Quite frankly the writing standard of the articles isn't up to much, if they continue to depopulate the forums via their own egotistical twatness they are quickly going to find the only folk visiting this place are the spammers, trolls, and bots. So business as usual except without the man love Towny and fatprop show Tony Abbott.

Good win by the Makos overnight btw, Counties season is teetering ...

Author:  MungoMan [ Sat Aug 31, 2013 1:09 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Ozzie election thread mk II

6roucho wrote:
I actually remember all of the last thread. I'll retype it:

Tony Abbott, Rudd's a germ, no policies, stop the boats, middle class warfare, unelectable Greens, Juliar.

Did I miss anything?


Perhaps latte, chardonnay and inner-city.

Author:  les@mooloolaba [ Sat Aug 31, 2013 1:14 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Ozzie election thread mk II

Mat the Expat wrote:
Towny finally admitted defeat and got the thread nuked to hide is utterances

Gee that must have hurt.

Author:  gurudoright [ Sat Aug 31, 2013 1:16 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Ozzie election thread mk II

In all seriousness, I'm in Melbourne at the moment and Clive Palmer is on tv everywhere obviously spending big money on advertising. Beside the odd senate seat, is his party a chance in any House of Reps seats?

Author:  les@mooloolaba [ Sat Aug 31, 2013 1:17 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Ozzie election thread mk II

Salient wrote:
You really have to wonder who the lame arses are who are running this site. While a lot of forum sites are fighting for members and content PR go out of their way to piss members off and are losing members hand over fist, insert your own joke.

Quite frankly the writing standard of the articles isn't up to much, if they continue to depopulate the forums via their own egotistical twatness they are quickly going to find the only folk visiting this place are the spammers, trolls, and bots. So business as usual except without the man love Towny and fatprop show Tony Abbott.

Good win by the Makos overnight btw, Counties season is teetering ...

I work with quite a few South Africans and have found that once they get an idea in their head, right or wrong they are going to do it. Same is happening on this site.

Pity :yawn:

Author:  gros chien [ Sat Aug 31, 2013 1:39 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Ozzie election thread mk II

Good show, Saffas. One in the eye for plum, what?

Voted yesterday at the wallabies' embassy in BA. Not even a frail old lady handing out liberal h2v cards to sneer at.

Author:  _fatprop [ Sat Aug 31, 2013 1:40 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Ozzie election thread mk II

To keep the rugby factor high, Abbott played a few years as a prop at Waringah in the lower grades

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Two peas in a pod of discontent

Date August 31, 2013

Peter Hartcher - Sydney Morning Herald political and international editor

The overwhelming view among voters is that Labor has blown it.

The opinion polls tell us who's winning the election and who's losing. Focus groups tell us why. The political parties rely on them heavily to guide strategy. This week, Ipsos Research convened groups in western Sydney, Brisbane and Melbourne.

If Labor still likes to think of western Sydney as its heart, then it needs to get itself into the intensive care unit because it's in the process of cardiac arrest.

They invited me to sit and listen to a mixture of Labor, Liberal and uncommitted voters. They all earn low to middle incomes or, in the case of some of the Melbourne voters, they have retired.

Unlike most focus groups, these are largely undirected - participants are invited broadly to discuss the election and the economy so any of the specifics that emerge do so spontaneously.
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The starting point is that neither Kevin Rudd nor Tony Abbott is liked or appreciated.

''I think Tony Abbott is a giant wanker,'' says Rose, a Brisbane woman in her 30s.

''I think Kevin Rudd is a bigger wanker,'' rejoins the woman sitting next to her, Nikki, around the same age. ''His own party doesn't want to work with him.''


With the exception of one Melbourne woman in her 60s, a devoted Liberal named Dorothy, no one had a kind word for Abbott except to compliment him on his physical fitness.

And even that is questioned as an unalloyed virtue. One woman points out the amount of time it takes to maintain high levels of fitness and Nikki wonders: ''Is he going to continue doing all that exercise if he's elected?''

And the kindest thing anyone has to say about Rudd is that ''I like him better than I liked Gillard'' and this is greeted with nodding all round.

At one point, an older Melbourne woman, Kathy, expresses her general frustration at the political situation by forcefully proposing: ''Let's get rid of all the men and put a woman in charge!''

''What, like Julia Gillard?'' counters Dorothy, to a chorus of ''I don't think so'' from the other women in the group, including the Labor sympathisers.

''The thing is,'' says Peter, a Brisbane man in his 40s, ''neither Rudd nor Abbott is actually dumb. They are both quite intelligent.''

''They are not likeable fellows,'' John chimes in, emphasising ''likeable''.

''I think you've hit it,'' says a third man.

It's ''who you hate least'', rejoins John, who identifies as a Labor supporter.

It is only the Queensland blokes who mention the Greens at all. And while they have kind words for Bob Brown, they can't remember the name of his successor: ''It's some lady.''

The next common theme that quickly emerges across all the groups in all cities is that voters have trouble finding compelling policy differences between the two main parties.

It's not so much that they don't know what the parties' policies are. The groups touch on quite a few. It's more a case that many of the parties' policies have converged to the point where they have become hard to tell apart.

Just as Labor toughened its policy on boat people to seem as muscular as the Liberals, so have the Liberals moved to seem as caring as Labor on school funding.

And where people in the focus groups bring up some of the specific policy ideas that the Coalition has pushed during the campaign, it turns out they don't much like them. The most vehement objections are the ones to Abbott's own signature policy, his paid parental leave scheme.

Sean, a 40-ish Sydneysider at a group gathered in the suburb of Smithfield, says: ''$75,000 for six months is a lot of dough to sit at home and have a kid. I never had that, my wife never had that.''

The women are harsher. ''I don't like Abbott's parental leave policy,'' says Divina in Brisbane.

''It's bullshit and it's unfair,'' Rose concurs with feeling, to agreement all round.

''They want to give people money to have babies,'' says Ruth, a Melbourne woman in her 60s, with some indignation.

''It's absolutely ridiculous,'' says Kathy.

Even the staunchest Liberal of the lot, Dorothy, won't defend this one: ''Tony will get my vote but he's made a blue on this one.''

And the Coalition policy to buy fishing boats at Java seaports, so they can't be used by people smugglers, is widely dismissed as silly.

''They're going to spend millions of dollars buying boats from Indonesians so they can buy more boats,'' says Will in western Sydney, although Dorothy insists that it's worth trying.

And in Brisbane and Melbourne, the groups express suspicion over the Liberals' decision to keep their budget costings a close secret to the final days of the campaign.

''They have the election in the bag so they don't have to bring out their costings,'' says Rose.

''They're keeping the smokescreen up. I'm scared it's going to be like Campbell Newman but on a bigger scale.''

The large-scale public service cuts imposed by Queensland's conservative Premier are not on the minds of the groups in Sydney and Melbourne. But they weigh heavily in Brisbane.

''Campbell Newman raped us [in Brisbane, where he was lord mayor] and now he's doing it to Queensland. He went to the election promising he wasn't going to cut,'' says John.

''How long do we have to accept this shit, as people? Why can't they be held accountable for what they say?''

Frank says: ''If we were Europeans, we'd be in the streets protesting. It's because we're Aussies that we just cop it.''

And there's deep concern and resentment across all the groups that both major parties carry on with an unaffordable and unfair system of government handouts.

The Coalition gets, if anything, even more criticism than Labor on this. Abbott's parental leave policy is part of it but it's much bigger than this.

After hearing of Abbott's policy to make payments to long-term unemployed people who take and hold a job for at least a year, Peter says: ''How come they give money to the unemployed - what about the people who've been working for 25 years?''

Barbara, in Melbourne, wants to know ''why are they giving money to a Cadbury factory in Hobart?'', a reference to Abbott's promise of a $16 million grant. ''Is it a government factory?''

In western Sydney, Josh, in his 40s, spoke for his group when he voiced resentment at their perceived position as the financiers of other people's handouts: ''We are all blue collar and all in the same class. We are in the class that gets bent over and screwed on tax.

''Everything we earn - wages, bank accounts - is out in the open,'' he says. ''We're not upper class that can hide stuff. We're not the class living off the government. We are the mainstream. We're the ones who pay for it all.''

And an exasperated Frank in Brisbane summed up the feeling of many: ''If the country's finances are so f---ed, why don't they stop giving away money?''

And yet, despite all of this, not one of the participants in any group suggested that Labor would be better to deal with any of the components of the problem.

No one defended Labor's handling of the budget, nor its performance on dealing with the handout mentality.

One of the self-described blue-collar workers of western Sydney is uncontradicted when he says: ''Labor is good if you wanna sit back and they'll look after you … The Libs are the ones who, if you wanna get up, work up a sweat, they'll look after you.''

Even the declared Labor sympathisers didn't try to defend its record or speak on its behalf. If Labor still likes to think of western Sydney as its heart, then it needs to get itself to an intensive care unit because it's in the process of cardiac arrest.

Labor has been largely written off. On its conduct, when discussion turned to Labor's leadership coups: ''We must look like a dickhead country when all that happens,'' says Ruth, who is otherwise restrained. Her comment meets general concurrence.

And, on its conduct of the national budget: ''When John Howard was in, the country was at its best, then Labor comes in and spends the lot,'' says Ian of western Sydney. An older friend had told him it was ever thus.

''It's been this way for 50 years. The Libs come in and build the bank account up, then Labor comes in and spends it all.''

And here is the reason that Rudd's scare campaign on Abbott's alleged secret plan for ''cuts, cuts, cuts'' isn't working. Even the Queenslanders who are angriest about the conservatives' cuts at the state level, even though they are apprehensive of Abbott, are resigned to an Abbott government.

They don't like or trust Abbott. Rather, they are putting trust in the Liberals' brand. It's product identification, a vote for the party of Howard and Peter Costello.

There is even an implicit assumption that it might be unpleasant but that it is necessary. The overwhelming sense, spoken and unspoken, is that Labor had its chance and has blown it.

''I do believe,'' says Bob in Brisbane, ''the Libs will slash and cut and the deficit will be reduced. We are in for that cyclic change now.''

John, a self-identified Labor man, reluctantly resigns himself: ''They will hurt lower and middle people as they do it, then we will change the government in six or eight years.''

Bob says: ''The Libs will get in. Does anyone here doubt that?'' Around the table in Brisbane, where the conservatives' cuts are still smarting, there is silence.

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/ ... z2dVD5odXf

Author:  guy smiley [ Sat Aug 31, 2013 1:57 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Ozzie election thread mk II

I just realised my post count has dropped by a substantial number :lol:

Author:  Burke's Boot [ Sat Aug 31, 2013 2:19 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Ozzie election thread mk II

Thought Abbott played for Sydney Uni fatty? I'm sure Slug could confirm one way or the other..

Author:  kiap [ Sat Aug 31, 2013 2:27 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Ozzie election thread mk II

guy smiley wrote:
I just realised my post count has dropped by a substantial number :lol:

All they had to do was delete the pics thread. :P I would have dropped 10%.


_fatprop wrote:
To keep the rugby factor high, ...

Quote:
Two peas in a pod of discontent

...

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/ ... z2dVD5odXf

I reckon that's pretty accurate.

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