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PostPosted: Tue May 07, 2019 3:12 pm 
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I reckon the gaps will be significant even at the end of Day 1 here.


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Yeah, some GC contender is going to lose a minute on that first climb.


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Marcel Kittel and Katusha have mutually agreed to part ways.

5 stage wins at the 2017 Tour, and it's been pretty much downhill ever since. Maybe he should've taken a paycut to stay at Quickstep?


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It sounds like he's on the brink of retiring, judging by his announcement on instagram. Hope he can sort his issues out.

Although Katyusha probably need to look at their overall return on investments.


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Yeah, I think only Sky have spent more than them? And all they've got to show is the odd stage win for Zakarin.

Whoever Kittel signs for, you'd have to think it's his final contract. He's 30 and hasn't had a big win for 2 years now. That's assuming he even signs for anyone, retirement has to be an option.


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Yeah, I think only Sky have spent more than them? And all they've got to show is the odd stage win for Zakarin.



I think we were chatting about exactly that sometime last year. They need to have a look at themselves.


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Yeah, I think only Sky have spent more than them? And all they've got to show is the odd stage win for Zakarin.



I think we were chatting about exactly that sometime last year. They need to have a look at themselves.


Is there a bad atmosphere in the squad? Apparently Tony Martin's loving life at Jumbo-Visma. They basically shoved Kristoff out, and he's been solid for UAE. Meanwhile Politt finishing 2nd in Roubaix is literally the only result they've had worth shouting about this season (oh, and a stage win for Zabel in Yorkshire). It just seems like the team where talented riders go to win nothing.


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Yeah, I think only Sky have spent more than them? And all they've got to show is the odd stage win for Zakarin.

Whoever Kittel signs for, you'd have to think it's his final contract. He's 30 and hasn't had a big win for 2 years now. That's assuming he even signs for anyone, retirement has to be an option.


You would think someone would take a shot on Kittel, Sprint wins are coming ever harder to get with the amount of top draw sprinters in the Peleton.

Zakarin is one of the sports enigmas, has the goods for a far better palmares but finds a way to be an also-ran.

Katusha are one of those strange teams with a decent roster but very little to show for it as Slipstream/Cannondale were after their merger


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Anyone going to out their Giro picks?

I think the top three will be Nibali, Dumoulin and Roglic but I am unsure of in which order. I don't think Yates will get the same opportunities early on like last year


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DOB wrote:
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DOB wrote:
Yeah, I think only Sky have spent more than them? And all they've got to show is the odd stage win for Zakarin.



I think we were chatting about exactly that sometime last year. They need to have a look at themselves.


Is there a bad atmosphere in the squad? Apparently Tony Martin's loving life at Jumbo-Visma. They basically shoved Kristoff out, and he's been solid for UAE. Meanwhile Politt finishing 2nd in Roubaix is literally the only result they've had worth shouting about this season (oh, and a stage win for Zabel in Yorkshire). It just seems like the team where talented riders go to win nothing.


Didn't realise he'd gone there - Jumbo-Visma have a pretty tidy roster - I imagine their TDF team will be really strong


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Anyone going to out their Giro picks?

I think the top three will be Nibali, Dumoulin and Roglic but I am unsure of in which order. I don't think Yates will get the same opportunities early on like last year


Dumoulin vs. Roglic for me

Nibali isn't strong enough any more & the rest (Landa, Lopez, Yates) are unproven over 3 weeks


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blindcider wrote:
Anyone going to out their Giro picks?

I think the top three will be Nibali, Dumoulin and Roglic but I am unsure of in which order. I don't think Yates will get the same opportunities early on like last year


I'm gonna go for Dumoulin, Roglic and Yates. Been disappointed with Landa, but only for the fact you picked Nibali I'd have picked him.

Between Viviani and Gaviria for maglia ciclamino.


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P in VG wrote:
blindcider wrote:
Anyone going to out their Giro picks?

I think the top three will be Nibali, Dumoulin and Roglic but I am unsure of in which order. I don't think Yates will get the same opportunities early on like last year


Dumoulin vs. Roglic for me

Nibali isn't strong enough any more & the rest (Landa, Lopez, Yates) are unproven over 3 weeks


I'm not sure that Yates counts as unproven over 3 weeks given he is a Grand Tour winner


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blindcider wrote:
P in VG wrote:
blindcider wrote:
Anyone going to out their Giro picks?

I think the top three will be Nibali, Dumoulin and Roglic but I am unsure of in which order. I don't think Yates will get the same opportunities early on like last year


Dumoulin vs. Roglic for me

Nibali isn't strong enough any more & the rest (Landa, Lopez, Yates) are unproven over 3 weeks


I'm not sure that Yates counts as unproven over 3 weeks given he is a Grand Tour winner


Maybe he meant Adam Yates?

Mitchelton-Scott for the Giro d'Italia: Simon Yates, Jack Bauer, Luke Durbridge, Chris Juul-Jensen, Brent Bookwalter, Lucas Hamilton, Mikel Nieve and Esteban Chaves.


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blindcider wrote:
P in VG wrote:
blindcider wrote:
Anyone going to out their Giro picks?

I think the top three will be Nibali, Dumoulin and Roglic but I am unsure of in which order. I don't think Yates will get the same opportunities early on like last year


Dumoulin vs. Roglic for me

Nibali isn't strong enough any more & the rest (Landa, Lopez, Yates) are unproven over 3 weeks


I'm not sure that Yates counts as unproven over 3 weeks given he is a Grand Tour winner


My bad - completely forgot that he won the Vuelta :D

(Still - I think the Giro is more punishing than the Vuelta for a smaller rider - so I think he'll struggle in the final week like last year)


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P in VG wrote:
blindcider wrote:
P in VG wrote:
blindcider wrote:
Anyone going to out their Giro picks?

I think the top three will be Nibali, Dumoulin and Roglic but I am unsure of in which order. I don't think Yates will get the same opportunities early on like last year


Dumoulin vs. Roglic for me

Nibali isn't strong enough any more & the rest (Landa, Lopez, Yates) are unproven over 3 weeks


I'm not sure that Yates counts as unproven over 3 weeks given he is a Grand Tour winner


My bad - completely forgot that he won the Vuelta :D

(Still - I think the Giro is more punishing than the Vuelta for a smaller rider - so I think he'll struggle in the final week like last year)


Yeah, I omitted a comment that he was 3 week proven but not necessarily Giro proven :P


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I'm going with Roglic, Dumoulin and Yates in that order. I'm pulling for Yates, he will be fine in the mountains but I feel the three TT's will be his problem. He's really improved his TTing this year and they're all hilly, which will help, but Roglic and Dumoulin are both great climbers and TT'ers.

There again it's the Giro and anything could happen :nod:


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I'd love Yate to win it, I like his aggressive ridding style.

But Roglic has to be the favorite, unless he hit top form too soon.

I would not write Nibali off, he can do some damage in the mountain stages and will look to disrupt this race, which will make for a nice showing.


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P in VG wrote:

Didn't realise he'd gone there - Jumbo-Visma have a pretty tidy roster - I imagine their TDF team will be really strong


They should be very strong. The Giro lineup they have is nothing to sniff at either.

They’ve been a bit of a sleeping giant since Rabobank walked away; apparently they held onto all the old infrastructure they had from back then, so it shouldn’t be a surprise that with the big money coming in from big-company sponsors they have a strong lineup to support their genuine gc contenders. They also have some good talent spotting, so plenty of handy youngsters.

Team strength is the only reason I’d consider Roglic a favorite over Dumoulin. I think the big guy is the class in the field, but he’s going to be up against it hoping for Oomen to be able to stick around longer than Carapaz or Tolhoek or other domestiques.


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All the big guns out early.

Nibbles with the early lead. Dumoulin disappointing.

Edit: Roglic smashes Nibbles' time by 23sec. Huge blow.


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DOB wrote:
Team strength is the only reason I’d consider Roglic a favorite over Dumoulin. I think the big guy is the class in the field, but he’s going to be up against it hoping for Oomen to be able to stick around longer than Carapaz or Tolhoek or other domestiques.

Well Jumbo are going to have a jersey to defend now, so that team strength will be tested.

But if Tom is planning to ride his way into form it looks like he has some riding to do.


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Was hoping for more from Tom :(

Can't see beyond Roglic at this point.


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Disappointed with Yates comments yesterday, they don’t seem to fit his personality, or my perception of it.


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Was hoping for more from Tom :(

Can't see beyond Roglic at this point.


Poisoned chalice to take pink so early. Tom doesn't want any part of it yet


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Disappointed with Yates comments yesterday, they don’t seem to fit his personality, or my perception of it.


High on drugs? :P


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Went along to stage 1 of California today. The twins finished 3rd and 4th in the strider bike race, very proud of them. The speed and sheer mass of the peloton coming around the corners on the circuit was a sight to be seen. Sagan got his 2nd win of the season and the ToC continues to be good for him. It’s kickstarted his seasons before.


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DOB wrote:
Went along to stage 1 of California today. The twins finished 3rd and 4th in the strider bike race, very proud of them. The speed and sheer mass of the peloton coming around the corners on the circuit was a sight to be seen. Sagan got his 2nd win of the season and the ToC continues to be good for him. It’s kickstarted his seasons before.


What always impresses me is to see the peloton at 60km/h in the last km. This is some sight, and quite a scary one at the same time. I always fear a fall.


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Johan Bruyneel is a guest on The Move podcast for the duration of the Giro, usually not a big fan of this pod, but Bruyneel offers some interesting tactical insight after each stage.


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DOB wrote:
Went along to stage 1 of California today. The twins finished 3rd and 4th in the strider bike race, very proud of them. The speed and sheer mass of the peloton coming around the corners on the circuit was a sight to be seen. Sagan got his 2nd win of the season and the ToC continues to be good for him. It’s kickstarted his seasons before.

:thumbup:

Saw a little of the stage on tv here. Sagan has a pic up on IG... showing his 111 tattoo, wearing bib #111 and that was his 111th victory apparently. Mad.


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Went along to stage 1 of California today. The twins finished 3rd and 4th in the strider bike race, very proud of them. The speed and sheer mass of the peloton coming around the corners on the circuit was a sight to be seen. Sagan got his 2nd win of the season and the ToC continues to be good for him. It’s kickstarted his seasons before.

:thumbup:

Saw a little of the stage on tv here. Sagan has a pic up on IG... showing his 111 tattoo, wearing bib #111 and that was his 111th victory apparently. Mad.



Peloton in full flight on the flat at the closing stage of a race is a force of nature for sure. Eyeballs out as the saying goes.

Sagan is the classiest rider in the modern peloton. I'd love to see him concentrate more on the grand tour GC.
I think if lost some weight, he has the ability to climb well, and to challenge overall GC


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DOB wrote:
Went along to stage 1 of California today. The twins finished 3rd and 4th in the strider bike race, very proud of them. The speed and sheer mass of the peloton coming around the corners on the circuit was a sight to be seen. Sagan got his 2nd win of the season and the ToC continues to be good for him. It’s kickstarted his seasons before.

:thumbup:

Saw a little of the stage on tv here. Sagan has a pic up on IG... showing his 111 tattoo, wearing bib #111 and that was his 111th victory apparently. Mad.



Peloton in full flight on the flat at the closing stage of a race is a force of nature for sure. Eyeballs out as the saying goes.

Sagan is the classiest rider in the modern peloton. I'd love to see him concentrate more on the grand tour GC.
I think if lost some weight, he has the ability to climb well, and to challenge overall GC


Its an interesting discussion point but I think Sagan is someone who can get over a climb and can do well on the punchier climb stages but I don't think he could sustain multiple big climbs on an Alps type day in the front pack even with some weight loss. He's not a top echelon Time Triallist and never going to be a mountain top finish guy so I can't see where he would get the time gaps to win, Bonifications (!) aren't going to be enough IMO. He's much better off winning races rather than being an also-ran in GC (see also Allaphilippe).


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That finish yesterday looked a bit mental. Really dodgy stuff from Viviani as well, although not sure it was intentional.

On Sagan, whilst I also think he's the best around, I read somewhere that his coach said he'd be down to bone if he lost much more weight and would lose most of his power. Dunno about that really, the chap also looks big. He's also said in interviews he's not too interested in GC.


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That finish yesterday looked a bit mental. Really dodgy stuff from Viviani as well, although not sure it was intentional.

On Sagan, whilst I also think he's the best around, I read somewhere that his coach said he'd be down to bone if he lost much more weight and would lose most of his power. Dunno about that really, the chap also looks big. He's also said in interviews he's not too interested in GC.


I find him fascinating to watch on tv... he looks huge on the bike. He's a massive unit, sits all over it yet he's not any larger looking in team photos.


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I’ve also read that Sagan’s coach has said his power goes down when his weight goes down. I think it was 2015 when he got very skinny, but couldn’t produce the watts to get the wins. That was the year of his one big GC win (California, of course) and even then he needed a TT win and lots of sprint bonuses to beat Alaphilippe (who only gained time on one summit finish) by 1 second. There was talk of him trimming down this year for a crack at the Ardennes, but it never came together.

He doesn’t seem to have the same power trade-off as Roglic and Dumoulin who can both still put out the watts as they drop the lbs.

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I find him fascinating to watch on tv... he looks huge on the bike. He's a massive unit, sits all over it yet he's not any larger looking in team photos.

He’s got calves like pistons and thighs of a bodybuilder. He can’t do the Froome-emaciated look.


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A crash 6km out has caught out so many GC contenders.

Dumoulin looks injured and will lose chunks of time.

Roglic with a very handy lead now.

Cracking stage win for Carapaz though.


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A crash 6km out has caught out so many GC contenders.

Dumoulin looks injured and will lose chunks of time.

Roglic with a very handy lead now.

Cracking stage win for Carapaz though.


So many big crashes in the first week of GC is common. I do sometimes wonder if the 3km rule is leading to bigger crashes in the 4-8km range as the GC teams race to get to the 3km point in safety and in the big group just in case - law of unintended consequences and all that.

Just speculating I wonder if a commissaire review following a crash in the closing stages could be 'fairer' than the blanket 3km rule - So like today and yesterday the GC contenders would maybe have been given the group time after crashes at 5 and 6km out...


...or we can say thats racing and keep as is :)


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Roglic didn't try to sprint for bonus seconds. Was he saving energy or was he just spent ?


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Roglic didn't try to sprint for bonus seconds. Was he saving energy or was he just spent ?


Probably one eye on the next couple of weeks. Yates and Chavez sprinted for those bonus seconds last year and we all know how that turned out.


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Roglic didn't try to sprint for bonus seconds. Was he saving energy or was he just spent ?

Did he work in the break after the crash? Once the split was made it probably made more sense to try and get as many seconds on the road rather than just a gut in a sprint that had no guarantees.

I’d presume that Roglic would’ve had a hard time staying with true sprinters like Ewan and Ulissi.

It’s a real bollix for Dumoulin, but you suspect with the way the TT went that he wasn’t actually in the form needed to beat Roglic. 4 minutes he could find a way to get back against anyone else in this race, but unless Primoz has a crash himself, Big Tom is out.


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Roglic didn't try to sprint for bonus seconds. Was he saving energy or was he just spent ?

Did he work in the break after the crash? Once the split was made it probably made more sense to try and get as many seconds on the road rather than just a gut in a sprint that had no guarantees.

I’d presume that Roglic would’ve had a hard time staying with true sprinters like Ewan and Ulissi.

It’s a real bollix for Dumoulin, but you suspect with the way the TT went that he wasn’t actually in the form needed to beat Roglic. 4 minutes he could find a way to get back against anyone else in this race, but unless Primoz has a crash himself, Big Tom is out.


Dumoulin should drop out if he has any Grand Tour GC ambitions this year IMO. Flaying himself in an all but inevitable losing battle at the Giro is a fools endeavour with Le tour not that far in the future - It doesn't sit well with me as an amateur rider but pro guys have to look at the bigger picture


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