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PostPosted: Mon Sep 16, 2019 5:44 pm 
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Well done Roglic who caps an amazing season! I can't wait for him to compete with the big boys at the TDF next year.

How well will he work with Dumoulin?

Roglic is quality. But we knew that. Him winning a GT is more a “well of course he did” type feeling.

The big takeaway from this Vuelta for me is that Pogacar is a seriously exciting talent. The clashes between him, Bernal, Sivakov, Gaudu, Enric Mas and maybe Evenepoel (if he rides gc and not classics) over the next 10 years look so exciting in prospect, that the end result can only possibly be a letdown.


Not too sure that Evenepoel will focus on GC, at least not early in his career. I think he is the type who can do serious damage on the classics and he will try to win as many as he can, until he does like Alaphilippe and comes to the TDF to win a few stages and then... who knows?

For me, Sivakov, Gaudu and Mas are not up to Pogacar and Bernal's levels. Gaudu won't have the TT capability, Sivakov will be a more complete cyclist but I think his development will be slower.


What about James Knox, promising first GT for him at the Vuelta? Possibly in the same category as Mas you have there and not in the right team for a GC assault


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I threw out a few names, because there’s just no telling at this stage how any of them will turn out.

Also worth remembering that if we’d drawn up a similar list in 2012 for gc contenders in 2019, you wouldn’t have included Dumoulin, Roglic, Thomas or Valverde, each for different reasons.


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I threw out a few names, because there’s just no telling at this stage how any of them will turn out.

Also worth remembering that if we’d drawn up a similar list in 2012 for gc contenders in 2019, you wouldn’t have included Dumoulin, Roglic, Thomas or Valverde, each for different reasons.


Valverde will probably still be there in 10 years time at 48, finishing on the podium at GT after GT without ever really threatening the top step


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Rohann Dennis defended his ITT rainbow jersey and looked exceptional.

But my God Evanepoel is some freakish talent. At 19 he's decided to skip the U23s and gone straight to the big boys, and has managed to blow away seasoned clock-specialists to take silver. The kid has insane potential.


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Some ride from Evanepoel, chap has a very long career ahead of him.

In other UCI news, I see Poels saw the leadership writing on the wall and is off to Bahrain Merida. Poor Landa.


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Amazing performance by Dennis given his circumstances, and I hope this will allow to get back on the road and forget the past.

Evanepoel is going to kick some arses in couple years :shock: But we knew this.


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I expected a bit more from Roglic, especially after his silver last year and the dominant Vuelta he's just had.

But perhaps the Vuelta took a lot out of him and he hasn't had a chance to recuperate.


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Amazing performance by Dennis given his circumstances, and I hope this will allow to get back on the road and forget the past.


He used his old BMC Timemachine. Can't see him long for Bahrain.


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Amazing performance by Dennis given his circumstances, and I hope this will allow to get back on the road and forget the past.


He used his old BMC Timemachine. Can't see him long for Bahrain.


Tweet from the team before the TT;

https://mobile.twitter.com/i/web/status ... 0081674240


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DOB wrote:
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Amazing performance by Dennis given his circumstances, and I hope this will allow to get back on the road and forget the past.


He used his old BMC Timemachine. Can't see him long for Bahrain.


Tweet from the team before the TT;

https://mobile.twitter.com/i/web/status ... 0081674240


:lol: ouch.


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Bullettyme wrote:
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Amazing performance by Dennis given his circumstances, and I hope this will allow to get back on the road and forget the past.


He used his old BMC Timemachine. Can't see him long for Bahrain.


Tweet from the team before the TT;

https://mobile.twitter.com/i/web/status ... 0081674240


:lol: ouch.


These guys... I guess Dennis will get a transfer?


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U23 race the Dutch man got disqualified for drafting allegedly. What's that, holding on to a car?


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I havent seen that incident BnM but drafting will either be following too closely behind another rider or their support car.

The TT is supposed to be an individual effort and you aren't allowed to sit behind another rider. I'm not sure on the exact ICU ruling times and distances but in triathlon you have normally have 15 seconds to overtake in the 10m zone behind the rider and if you are overtaken you have to drop out of this same zone within the same time and can't overtake again until you have done so


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Jarvis Cocker is bombing at the park. Been described as a homeless Dr Who pretend filing with decks
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I havent seen that incident BnM but drafting will either be following too closely behind another rider or their support car.

The TT is supposed to be an individual effort and you aren't allowed to sit behind another rider. I'm not sure on the exact ICU ruling times and distances but in triathlon you have normally have 15 seconds to overtake in the 10m zone behind the rider and if you are overtaken you have to drop out of this same zone within the same time and can't overtake again until you have done so

It was the u23 road race. He allegedly got assistance from a team car. The footage was shown to the Dutch team, who have accepted the verdict. So it sounds like he sat in behind the team car for longer than was considered appropriate (whether after a mechanical or other stoppage I don’t know)..


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I havent seen that incident BnM but drafting will either be following too closely behind another rider or their support car.

The TT is supposed to be an individual effort and you aren't allowed to sit behind another rider. I'm not sure on the exact ICU ruling times and distances but in triathlon you have normally have 15 seconds to overtake in the 10m zone behind the rider and if you are overtaken you have to drop out of this same zone within the same time and can't overtake again until you have done so

It wasn't in the TT but rather the road race. He had crashed 128KM out, but made it back to the front of the race and won the sprint. But apparently his GPS tracking showed some very odd readings during the period he was trying to make it back to the bunch. I.e., speeds that an unaided cyclist could not have achieved.

So they investigated and disqualified him. I think they say he was holding on to the team car.


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I havent seen that incident BnM but drafting will either be following too closely behind another rider or their support car.

The TT is supposed to be an individual effort and you aren't allowed to sit behind another rider. I'm not sure on the exact ICU ruling times and distances but in triathlon you have normally have 15 seconds to overtake in the 10m zone behind the rider and if you are overtaken you have to drop out of this same zone within the same time and can't overtake again until you have done so


To give you context, BnM, at 50km/h (which about the speed at which pros are racing for a TT), the drag counts for about 95% of the resistance the cyclist must fight by his effort. Drafting behind other cyclist reduces that drag by anything between 25% and 50%, depending how many cyclists can shield you. For a car, it would be at least 50%.


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The race jury did not see footage of Nils Eekhoff drafting behind his team car until after he had crossed the line first, according to the UCI.

Eekhoff was stripped of his under-23 World Championship victory shortly after the race had finished, as the jury ruled he had illegally drafted behind a team car after a crash earlier in the race.

The decision caused uproar because as it was announced long after the Dutch rider had actually been filmed drafting, but a spokesperson for the cycling’s governing body said that officials were alerted to the footage by the video referee after the finish.

UCI spokesperson Louis Chenaille told gathered journalists: “The review has been done inside the [commissaires] bus with all the jury present.

“When there’s a winner or podium rider, [the video referee] reviews a lot of sections of the race to confirm the validity of the victory, to make sure nothing happened.

“He reviewed it after the race and he shared it with the jury, and then they took the decision.”

Eekhoff, 21, who rides for Sunweb, drafted behind his team car for more than 30 seconds, according to Chenaille.

After the jury announced its decision, he left the Harrogate finishing circuit in floods of tears.

Chenaille added that the decision was based on footage that was not live on television, which was not spotted during the race, and he added there is no intention to release the video.

The official communiqué from the race jury, released after the race, confirms that Eekhoff and two other riders were disqualified for “sheltering behind or taking advantage of the slipstream of a vehicle (for some time).”

Italy’s Alexander Konychev and Andreas Nielsen (Denmark) were disqualified alongside Eekhoff, while the Dutch, Italian and Danish teams were fined 200 Swiss francs (£164) each.


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Looks like a sticky bottle. Here is a subtle example of the art by Nibali:

https://youtu.be/7E4vRtC7IcY


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Looks like a sticky bottle. Here is a subtle example of the art by Nibali:

https://youtu.be/7E4vRtC7IcY


:lol: Subtle.


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Watched some Worlds highlights to take my mind off rugby.

You have to feel sorry for the Dutch lad. He seemed in a bad way after his crash, and ok so maybe he followed the team car a bit, but he still had 128km to go at that point. After getting back on, he rode the course for another 3 hours, bridged across to the winning move inside the final km, lead out, and still managed to win, the 7-man sprint for gold.


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Watched some Worlds highlights to take my mind off rugby.

You have to feel sorry for the Dutch lad. He seemed in a bad way after his crash, and ok so maybe he followed the team car a bit, but he still had 128km to go at that point. After getting back on, he rode the course for another 3 hours, bridged across to the winning move inside the final km, lead out, and still managed to win, the 7-man sprint for gold.


Do you know how long he held on to the car for? Given it was so tight at the end, is that what made the difference. Harsh but I don't see how they can't apply the rules here even if they had a choice. That said if he only held on for a second or 2?

I remember Olympics Rio iirc, this track distance runner stepped out of the track once, one foot for one step, didn't affect the race in the slightest. The French appealed, he was disqualified and the French got a medal. https://www.letsrun.com/news/2016/08/ol ... e-protest/ That was unfair in my opinion. They tried it on again too https://www.letsrun.com/news/2017/08/fr ... ping-line/


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Yorkshire looks magnificent this morning, for the women's road race.

Great to see the rain holding off.

Supporting Marianne Vos. She's a legend


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Watched some Worlds highlights to take my mind off rugby.

You have to feel sorry for the Dutch lad. He seemed in a bad way after his crash, and ok so maybe he followed the team car a bit, but he still had 128km to go at that point. After getting back on, he rode the course for another 3 hours, bridged across to the winning move inside the final km, lead out, and still managed to win, the 7-man sprint for gold.


Do you know how long he held on to the car for? Given it was so tight at the end, is that what made the difference. Harsh but I don't see how they can't apply the rules here even if they had a choice. That said if he only held on for a second or 2?

I remember Olympics Rio iirc, this track distance runner stepped out of the track once, one foot for one step, didn't affect the race in the slightest. The French appealed, he was disqualified and the French got a medal. https://www.letsrun.com/news/2016/08/ol ... e-protest/ That was unfair in my opinion. They tried it on again too https://www.letsrun.com/news/2017/08/fr ... ping-line/

Funny you should mentions this as the exact same thing happened in the IAAF world champs in Doha yesterday. One if the finest middle-distance prospects, Norway's Jakob Ingebrigtsen, got DQ'd in yesterday's 5000m heats for stepping on the inside line.


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Yorkshire looks magnificent this morning, for the women's road race.

Great to see the rain holding off.

Supporting Marianne Vos. She's a legend


I'm watching on telly, looks amazing, got to get out more, been back for a couple of years and still not been to Brimham Rocks. Not sure if I'll bother with the finish line it's apparently very very busy. Tomorrow the forecast is to be apocalyptic for the mens.


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Watched some Worlds highlights to take my mind off rugby.

You have to feel sorry for the Dutch lad. He seemed in a bad way after his crash, and ok so maybe he followed the team car a bit, but he still had 128km to go at that point. After getting back on, he rode the course for another 3 hours, bridged across to the winning move inside the final km, lead out, and still managed to win, the 7-man sprint for gold.


Do you know how long he held on to the car for? Given it was so tight at the end, is that what made the difference. Harsh but I don't see how they can't apply the rules here even if they had a choice. That said if he only held on for a second or 2?

I remember Olympics Rio iirc, this track distance runner stepped out of the track once, one foot for one step, didn't affect the race in the slightest. The French appealed, he was disqualified and the French got a medal. https://www.letsrun.com/news/2016/08/ol ... e-protest/ That was unfair in my opinion. They tried it on again too https://www.letsrun.com/news/2017/08/fr ... ping-line/

Funny you should mentions this as the exact same thing happened in the IAAF world champs in Doha yesterday. One if the finest middle-distance prospects, Norway's Jakob Ingebrigtsen, got DQ'd in yesterday's 5000m heats for stepping on the inside line.


He's been reinstated. And he took 3 steps, feel so sorry for Kemboi now.
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UPDATE: The Norwegian federation protested the decision and Ingebrigtsen was reinstated. Here is the full statement from the IAAF.

Norwegian athlete Jacob INGEBRITSEN (bib number 1334) was disqualified for stepping inside the kerb.

The Norwegian Team presented an appeal to the Jury, claiming that their athlete had been pushed 200m before the Finish Line and forced to step out.

The Jury of Appeal reviewed the video and concluded that all three steps taken inside the kerb by the athlete were the result of a contact with another athlete. No material advantage was gained.

The Jury of Appeal therefore decided to accept the appeal presented by the Norwegian Team and the result will be modified accordingly.


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Good to hear. Sanity has prevailed there.


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Boobs not Moobs wrote:
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Watched some Worlds highlights to take my mind off rugby.

You have to feel sorry for the Dutch lad. He seemed in a bad way after his crash, and ok so maybe he followed the team car a bit, but he still had 128km to go at that point. After getting back on, he rode the course for another 3 hours, bridged across to the winning move inside the final km, lead out, and still managed to win, the 7-man sprint for gold.


Do you know how long he held on to the car for? Given it was so tight at the end, is that what made the difference. Harsh but I don't see how they can't apply the rules here even if they had a choice. That said if he only held on for a second or 2?

I remember Olympics Rio iirc, this track distance runner stepped out of the track once, one foot for one step, didn't affect the race in the slightest. The French appealed, he was disqualified and the French got a medal. https://www.letsrun.com/news/2016/08/ol ... e-protest/ That was unfair in my opinion. They tried it on again too https://www.letsrun.com/news/2017/08/fr ... ping-line/

The DQ was for drafting behind the team car for over two minutes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hLL2XcRHuiI

Of course the UCI are pretty random when it comes to penalties.


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Watched some Worlds highlights to take my mind off rugby.

You have to feel sorry for the Dutch lad. He seemed in a bad way after his crash, and ok so maybe he followed the team car a bit, but he still had 128km to go at that point. After getting back on, he rode the course for another 3 hours, bridged across to the winning move inside the final km, lead out, and still managed to win, the 7-man sprint for gold.


Do you know how long he held on to the car for? Given it was so tight at the end, is that what made the difference. Harsh but I don't see how they can't apply the rules here even if they had a choice. That said if he only held on for a second or 2?

I remember Olympics Rio iirc, this track distance runner stepped out of the track once, one foot for one step, didn't affect the race in the slightest. The French appealed, he was disqualified and the French got a medal. https://www.letsrun.com/news/2016/08/ol ... e-protest/ That was unfair in my opinion. They tried it on again too https://www.letsrun.com/news/2017/08/fr ... ping-line/

The DQ was for drafting behind the team car for over two minutes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hLL2XcRHuiI

Of course the UCI are pretty random when it comes to penalties.


:thumbup: agreed, UCI are very arbitrary in their rule application


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The lady commentator on the Beeb is absolutely woeful. I don't care how long she's cycled or how many races she's won, her voice is like a cheese grater on the ear drums.

And the UCI are dicks for robbing the Dutch lad. If he had that much advantage, they should have seen it sooner and DQ'd him, rather than waiting 100km+. :frown:


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Well that was impressive. She looked like she could do another lap of the Harrogate circuit too and she's 36. I feel massively inferior.


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The footage of Eekhorn drafting has been released. It’s pretty feckin blatant.

https://www.cyclingnews.com/news/uci-re ... ing-video/

Apparently between all the cameras and production of the race footage, if the footage doesn’t get into the live broadcast, it physically can’t be reviewed until they after the race. Presumably the moto has to get back to hq, the camera has to upload, then the jury get to sit down and watch. So understandable that it took about an hour to get everyone around a screen, watch the 2+ minutes of him motor-pacing, discuss what they’d just seen, and make a decision.


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Yeah, it's a shame and there can always be a bit of inconsistency in cases like this. But if you win a race of this stature after being paced by the team car as blatantly as that, you can't moan too much if you are DQ'd.


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Weather is due to be terrible tomorrow with a headwind of 25kmh for the first 120km or something. All tailwind coming into Harrogate, probably see a load of splits before the circuits. Could be a good day for Belgians.

Sad about both the Dutch guy and the Colombian actually, surprised Colombia didn't have a team car themselves, they were sharing with Uruguay and Peru I think which meant they were way back.


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Flooding at the bottom of Buttertubs, so it and Grinton Moor are out of the race. 2 extra laps of the finishing circuit, but the distance is reduced to 265km.

Advantage just swung back to sprinters who can get over small climbs. Kristoff, Sagan, Bennett all had their chances improved. Alaphilippe, Denmark’s squad just took a blow. Van Der Poel probably doesn’t care.


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Well it's bloody awful weather got soaked taking the dog out for a pee. I'm at home but the crowds are still great. But so many people from Europe here so I guess you have to.

Evanpoel (speling) what a class act and so talented from a 19yo.


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Coverage is a total shambles now.


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Looks like Sam Bennett has blown.

Valverde has dropped out of the race.


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