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Chuka Umunna
Luciana Berger
Mike Gapes
Chris Leslie
Angela FunnyTinge
Ann Coffey
Gavin Shuker
Joan Ryan
Ian Austin

Seven MPs have entered the room. Luciana Berger, MP for Liverpool Wavertree, is speaking. She says they have all resigned from the Labour party this morning and will now sit in parliament as an independent group of MPs.

She says she has become embarrassed and ashamed to be in the Labour party.

Mike Gapes says: “This is not the Labour pay that I fought against Trotskyists in student politics. This is a Labour party that has changed beyond recognition.” He says it’s about moral integrity and that he has come to his own breaking point.

Angela Smith says that lots of people feel politically homeless at the moment and that they cannot be complicit in this broken politics.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/li ... itics-live


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PostPosted: Mon Feb 18, 2019 11:43 am 
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What's the betting that none of these guys retain their seats and this is quickly forgotten as per Douglas Carswell or Quentin Davies.


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PostPosted: Mon Feb 18, 2019 11:44 am 
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Is this a split thread. Have they split from Chucka already?


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just join the libdems


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Perhaps they'd be better off on the blue side if Corbyn's take on the left (...actual left) is too much of a change for them?


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Fair play to them - at least they are standing up for what they believe in


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PostPosted: Mon Feb 18, 2019 11:59 am 
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Hopefully the Tory remoaners follow suit.


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Fair play to them - at least they are standing up for what they believe in



Not brave enough to put those new found principals to the electoral test though. .


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Fair play to them - at least they are standing up for what they believe in



Not brave enough to put those new found principals to the electoral test though. .


Well of course not. By elections would obviously be a death sentence. They arent stupid.


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etherman wrote:
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P in VG wrote:
Fair play to them - at least they are standing up for what they believe in



Not brave enough to put those new found principals to the electoral test though. .


Well of course not. By elections would obviously be a death sentence. They arent stupid.

They will only last to the next election anyway


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etherman wrote:
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P in VG wrote:
Fair play to them - at least they are standing up for what they believe in



Not brave enough to put those new found principals to the electoral test though. .


Well of course not. By elections would obviously be a death sentence. They arent stupid.


Oh, I completely agree- I just think as a matter of 'honouring' their constituents (who they've referred to continuously in their speeches), it might be nice to ask if they support them under their new guise. Carswell, to his credit, did it.


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Think it needs a couple of Tory defections to properly legitimise the movement beyond just frustrated splitters to something a bit more meaningful


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Think it needs a couple of Tory defections to properly legitimise the movement beyond just frustrated splitters to something a bit more meaningful


Anna Soubry is exactly what's needed to make this a popular party.


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Think it needs a couple of Tory defections to properly legitimise the movement beyond just frustrated splitters to something a bit more meaningful

The SDLP joining and by extension Fianna Fail, back scottish independence and they'll have A British & Irish Lions party. fudge the Welsh.


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PostPosted: Mon Feb 18, 2019 12:29 pm 
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etherman wrote:
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Think it needs a couple of Tory defections to properly legitimise the movement beyond just frustrated splitters to something a bit more meaningful

The SDLP joining and by extension Fianna Fail, back scottish independence and they'll have A British & Irish Lions party. fudge the Welsh.

Do the sdlp even have any mps?
And yes fu.ck the Welsh


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Winnie wrote:
etherman wrote:
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Think it needs a couple of Tory defections to properly legitimise the movement beyond just frustrated splitters to something a bit more meaningful

The SDLP joining and by extension Fianna Fail, back scottish independence and they'll have A British & Irish Lions party. fudge the Welsh.

Do the sdlp even have any mps?
And yes fu.ck the Welsh

Nah. They're shit. The most clueless bunch of tossers you could imagine. The stand for literally nothing.


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PostPosted: Mon Feb 18, 2019 12:32 pm 
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Caley_Red wrote:
etherman wrote:
Caley_Red wrote:
P in VG wrote:
Fair play to them - at least they are standing up for what they believe in



Not brave enough to put those new found principals to the electoral test though. .


Well of course not. By elections would obviously be a death sentence. They arent stupid.


Oh, I completely agree- I just think as a matter of 'honouring' their constituents (who they've referred to continuously in their speeches), it might be nice to ask if they support them under their new guise. Carswell, to his credit, did it.

tbf, they campaigned at the last General Election that they would fight tooth and nail against Brexit - and then find that their own Party Leader wants Brexit even more than most Tories...


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Caley_Red wrote:
etherman wrote:
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P in VG wrote:
Fair play to them - at least they are standing up for what they believe in



Not brave enough to put those new found principals to the electoral test though. .


Well of course not. By elections would obviously be a death sentence. They arent stupid.


Oh, I completely agree- I just think as a matter of 'honouring' their constituents (who they've referred to continuously in their speeches), it might be nice to ask if they support them under their new guise. Carswell, to his credit, did it.


We vote for the individual not the party, the fact that we can put a shaved chimp with a red rosette or blue one in a huge swath of constituencies and they still romp him does not change the fact the system is such that we vote for the individual.


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Think it needs a couple of Tory defections to properly legitimise the movement beyond just frustrated splitters to something a bit more meaningful

Not going to happen. This will make headlines in the Tory press for this week, which will be no bad thing for May. It will also keep this off the front pages
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/feb/17/no-deal-brexiters-tory-split-conservative-multimillionaire-donor-new-party
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It also comes amid heightened tension within the Conservatives, with many MPs wondering how the party will prevent a split before the next election. Mainstream Tories have turned up the pressure on the pro-Brexit European Research Group of MPs, many of whom condemned May to a Commons defeat last week.

Ministers and senior backbenchers are now openly warning that the ERG’s pursuit of a hard Brexit trumps its loyalty to the party. Tobias Ellwood, the defence minister, has said he does not regard the group as part of his party, while business minister Richard Harrington has said the MPs in the group are “not Conservatives” and should quit.


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Harrington & Ellwood are deluded, it is in fact they who are out of step with the Tory base, not the ERG.

Tory voter base is 70% Leave
Tory members are 85% Leave
Tory constituencies are 247-80 Leave

64% of Tory members prefer no-deal to 29% May's deal.


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Harrington & Ellwood are deluded, it is in fact they who are out of step with the Tory base, not the ERG.

Tory voter base is 70% Leave
Tory members are 85% Leave
Tory constituencies are 247-80 Leave

The UK's leaving. But the govt have a responsibility to leave in a way that doesn't f*ck the country and thats what the ERG are blocking.


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etherman wrote:
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Harrington & Ellwood are deluded, it is in fact they who are out of step with the Tory base, not the ERG.

Tory voter base is 70% Leave
Tory members are 85% Leave
Tory constituencies are 247-80 Leave

The UK's leaving. But the govt have a responsibility to leave in a way that doesn't f*ck the country and thats what the ERG are blocking.

The WA will fudge the country for years to come, it's a terrible deal for Britain.


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Harrington & Ellwood are deluded, it is in fact they who are out of step with the Tory base, not the ERG.

Tory voter base is 70% Leave
Tory members are 85% Leave
Tory constituencies are 247-80 Leave

64% of Tory members prefer no-deal to 29% May's deal.


They all wanted a hard Brexit crash out did they?


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I wonder if these people would have put up with the Jew-baiting had Corbyn called for a second referendum.


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Be a more interesting proposition if they were to join the LD's and as part of the pact install Chukka as the party leader and jettison Vince, then make the appeal the remainer Tories plus other Labour MPs that have had enough of magic grandpa. They then tap into the LD party machine which on the ground werent too bad, actually make them relevant again and higher profile which in turn could do some real damage to both the tories and labour.


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Rugby2023 wrote:
etherman wrote:
Rugby2023 wrote:
Harrington & Ellwood are deluded, it is in fact they who are out of step with the Tory base, not the ERG.

Tory voter base is 70% Leave
Tory members are 85% Leave
Tory constituencies are 247-80 Leave

The UK's leaving. But the govt have a responsibility to leave in a way that doesn't f*ck the country and thats what the ERG are blocking.

The WA will fudge the country for years to come, it's a terrible deal for Britain.

Bullshit. The EU dont want the transition deal they want an FTA and so does the UK. Stop being scared by the monsters under the bed.


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etherman wrote:
Rugby2023 wrote:
etherman wrote:
Rugby2023 wrote:
Harrington & Ellwood are deluded, it is in fact they who are out of step with the Tory base, not the ERG.

Tory voter base is 70% Leave
Tory members are 85% Leave
Tory constituencies are 247-80 Leave

The UK's leaving. But the govt have a responsibility to leave in a way that doesn't f*ck the country and thats what the ERG are blocking.

The WA will fudge the country for years to come, it's a terrible deal for Britain.

Bullshit. The EU dont want the transition deal they want an FTA and so does the UK. Stop being scared by the monsters under the bed.


He's a hardcore Brexiter, dont waste your time.


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Be a more interesting proposition if they were to join the LD's and as part of the pact install Chukka as the party leader and jettison Vince, then make the appeal the remainer Tories plus other Labour MPs that have had enough of magic grandpa. They then tap into the LD party machine which on the ground werent too bad, actually make them relevant again and higher profile which in turn could do some real damage to both the tories and labour.



That's what I don't understand.

They are leaving to form a new party that already exists.


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Be a more interesting proposition if they were to join the LD's and as part of the pact install Chukka as the party leader and jettison Vince, then make the appeal the remainer Tories plus other Labour MPs that have had enough of magic grandpa. They then tap into the LD party machine which on the ground werent too bad, actually make them relevant again and higher profile which in turn could do some real damage to both the tories and labour.

Election pact with Lib Dems Greens and SNP would work better as a coalition against Brexit.


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Bullshit. The EU dont want the transition deal they want an FTA and so does the UK. Stop being scared by the monsters under the bed.

The EU want to keep the UK in the CU and fully aligned in exchange for a FTA. The WA is the legally binding bridge to that destination.


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Be a more interesting proposition if they were to join the LD's and as part of the pact install Chukka as the party leader and jettison Vince, then make the appeal the remainer Tories plus other Labour MPs that have had enough of magic grandpa. They then tap into the LD party machine which on the ground werent too bad, actually make them relevant again and higher profile which in turn could do some real damage to both the tories and labour.



That's what I don't understand.

They are leaving to form a new party that already exists.


They are still put down as the "Liberals" for a reason.


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Unfortunately Luciana Berger has no chance of retaining the seat, she has very little, if any, support in the local party and the electorate would vote for Bimbo with a red rosette on him.


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https://twitter.com/YoungLabourUK/status/1097439224310231042

Wow, young labour really showing themselves up here


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https://twitter.com/YoungLabourUK/status/1097439224310231042

Wow, young labour really showing themselves up here


The red flag line?

Bunch of little pinko spas


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Be a more interesting proposition if they were to join the LD's and as part of the pact install Chukka as the party leader and jettison Vince, then make the appeal the remainer Tories plus other Labour MPs that have had enough of magic grandpa. They then tap into the LD party machine which on the ground werent too bad, actually make them relevant again and higher profile which in turn could do some real damage to both the tories and labour.



That's what I don't understand.

They are leaving to form a new party that already exists.


Daresay they’ll be looking to come back into the fold if and when there’s a change of leadership at the top of Labour. Also, being on the LD ticket at the next election probably isn’t that attractive, given their recent history.


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Do we remember that time Chuka Umunna called people trash? He's not wrong but not a vote winner is it.


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What's the betting that none of these guys retain their seats and this is quickly forgotten as per Douglas Carswell or Quentin Davies.


Good on them for having courage. It's something in pretty short supply for most politicians.


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Unfortunately Luciana Berger has no chance of retaining the seat, she has very little, if any, support in the local party and the electorate would vote for Bimbo with a red rosette on him.


I noticed the guardian corbynista's are very carefully avoiding brexit, anti-Semitism and dear leader's Russia and Venezuela issues. It seems strange not mention the main reasons for the MP s quitting. If we have similar in the Tories with electorates also willing to elect any moron with a blue rosette I predict a glorious future emerging for the UK. IMF bailout basketcase then a pitiful rejoining of the EU in 15 years time.


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sewa wrote:
https://twitter.com/YoungLabourUK/status/1097439224310231042

Wow, young labour really showing themselves up here

Wow, children playing at being bullies.


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