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PostPosted: Sun Jun 17, 2018 12:46 pm 
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What's this all about? The business from last year when he was overpaid superannuation or something? And he said then that he'd be suing... so NOW it's a surprise? Or just the Herald trying to get all harrrrummpppffffy for the Nats. Again.


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In fact I'd say that if the majority party doesn't have the integrity to collapse the govt if too much of this goes on, then the Governor General should do it for them at a certain point.

No one voted for this.
Unlikely for the GC to step in, despite having a relatively new spouse to impress like Sir John Kerr also had. Ultimately the voters can render their verdict at the next election.

Didn’t realize that Dame Patsy was previously married to one of the Russell McVeagh tax partners. He was quite a character.


Oh for sure. Im just making an exaggerated intellectual point. But it really isn't okay having this guy in this position. The country is best off letting it resolve itself and he will be gone eventually.

I'm sticking to the main point though: the govt is ridiculous and any system that over promotes the promising but callow middle management hr woman to ceo job, and then shackles her to the awkward septugenarian independent director, has some teething problems.


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Has this been done?

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It was perhaps perversely fitting then that he failed to alert Ardern in advance of filing legal proceedings on Monday to sue the Government, senior public servants and former ministers.

It’s unforgivable. But Ardern will forgive him because she forgives him everything. The absence of any explanation or contrition from Peters makes her look inconsequential.


https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/arti ... d=12071568

Tail wags the dog innit.


The National Party tried to directly influence the voters with that Superannuation disclosure in a manner that should have been investigated by police. I fully support Peters in his actions - to ignore it is to condone what happened,


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 Post subject: Re: NZ Politics Thread
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In fact I'd say that if the majority party doesn't have the integrity to collapse the govt if too much of this goes on, then the Governor General should do it for them at a certain point.

No one voted for this.


Getting ahead of yourself mate.


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Has this been done?

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It was perhaps perversely fitting then that he failed to alert Ardern in advance of filing legal proceedings on Monday to sue the Government, senior public servants and former ministers.

It’s unforgivable. But Ardern will forgive him because she forgives him everything. The absence of any explanation or contrition from Peters makes her look inconsequential.


https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/arti ... d=12071568

Tail wags the dog innit.


The National Party tried to directly influence the voters with that Superannuation disclosure in a manner that should have been investigated by police. I fully support Peters in his actions - to ignore it is to condone what happened,


You have proof? You should send it to Winston


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You have proof? You should send it to Winston


But, in the court of public opinion, is that your defence?????

You know it was Joyce and Bennett.


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The Duck is the strangest non - National supporter in the country !

He’s also slightly at odds with the real world, an example, Dr’s actually have a very strong union base and organisations .

By some distance the majority of the Dr’s I know vote labour and even those that don’t were furious at the mismanagement of the health sector by the last government.

Mental health especially!


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The Duck is the strangest non - National supporter in the country !

He’s also slightly at odds with the real world, an example, Dr’s actually have a very strong union base and organisations .

By some distance the majority of the Dr’s I know vote labour and even those that don’t were furious at the mismanagement of the health sector by the last government.

Mental health especially!

maybe the junior ones Eug,we know lots of surgeons and specialists through a family business ,most of them are serious breadheads, Te Mata hills and Tuki valley types, i would be surprised if any of them would vote for the left


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When was the last time health, and mental health in particular was managed well by a government of any flavor? And how did they achieve that? What is missing now that wasn't way back then?


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The Duck is the strangest non - National supporter in the country !

He’s also slightly at odds with the real world, an example, Dr’s actually have a very strong union base and organisations .

By some distance the majority of the Dr’s I know vote labour and even those that don’t were furious at the mismanagement of the health sector by the last government.

Mental health especially!

maybe the junior ones Eug,we know lots of surgeons and specialists through a family business ,most of them are serious breadheads, Te Mata hills and Tuki valley types, i would be surprised if any of them would vote for the left


Probably a distinction made between those still angry at the size of their student loan and those giddy at the size of their trophy wife's fake tits


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eugenius wrote:
The Duck is the strangest non - National supporter in the country !

He’s also slightly at odds with the real world, an example, Dr’s actually have a very strong union base and organisations .

By some distance the majority of the Dr’s I know vote labour and even those that don’t were furious at the mismanagement of the health sector by the last government.

Mental health especially!

maybe the junior ones Eug,we know lots of surgeons and specialists through a family business ,most of them are serious breadheads, Te Mata hills and Tuki valley types, i would be surprised if any of them would vote for the left


Probably a distinction made between those still angry at the size of their student loan and those giddy at the size of their trophy wife's fake tits

GT3's and crazy wine cellars


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When was the last time health, and mental health in particular was managed well by a government of any flavor? And how did they achieve that? What is missing now that wasn't way back then?

What do you think?


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AD345 wrote:
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When was the last time health, and mental health in particular was managed well by a government of any flavor? And how did they achieve that? What is missing now that wasn't way back then?

What do you think?

unhealthy diet and lifestyles,ageing population,wider range of / and more complex treatments


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jono45 wrote:
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Fat Old Git wrote:
When was the last time health, and mental health in particular was managed well by a government of any flavor? And how did they achieve that? What is missing now that wasn't way back then?

What do you think?

unhealthy diet and lifestyles,ageing population,wider range of / and more complex treatments


That's inside parliament, how about the wider population?


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When was the last time health, and mental health in particular was managed well by a government of any flavor? And how did they achieve that? What is missing now that wasn't way back then?

What do you think?

unhealthy diet and lifestyles,ageing population,wider range of / and more complex treatments


I was going to say back when it was common to make patients comfortable and hope for the best because there wasn't much else you could do.


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deadduck wrote:
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eugenius wrote:
The Duck is the strangest non - National supporter in the country !

He’s also slightly at odds with the real world, an example, Dr’s actually have a very strong union base and organisations .

By some distance the majority of the Dr’s I know vote labour and even those that don’t were furious at the mismanagement of the health sector by the last government.

Mental health especially!

maybe the junior ones Eug,we know lots of surgeons and specialists through a family business ,most of them are serious breadheads, Te Mata hills and Tuki valley types, i would be surprised if any of them would vote for the left


Probably a distinction made between those still angry at the size of their student loan and those giddy at the size of their trophy wife's fake tits



Most our end are consultants or specialists also ,& there’s a wide variety of bust sizes.

Most in mental health could have more money , S actually won the surgery prize her year.

As I remind her every time things get abit tight.


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You have proof? You should send it to Winston


But, in the court of public opinion, is that your defence?????

You know it was Joyce and Bennett.

Yeah but we don't know anything of the sort. And unless Peters has proof he's put himself in a pretty difficult position. I can't see how the Crown can settle as even with abstentions from NZ First it'd be a massive conflict of interest for Cabinet to settle a dispute between the government and the Deputy PM, or even to not go after him for costs if he withdraws. Which means court and a taxpayer bill well into six figures.


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but we don't know anything of the sort.


:roll: I call bullshit. We KNOW (as in "taps nose" know)


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If we are going to play with tinfoil perhaps we should ask who benefited the most from the who affair?


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Nats definitely leaked. Turei’s mishandling of a similar situation saw the greens almost out of parliament and her kicked to touch. Nats probably couldn’t believe their luck when they saw they might be able to get a similar result with winnie.


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Nats definitely leaked. Turei’s mishandling of a similar situation saw the greens almost out of parliament and her kicked to touch. Nats probably couldn’t believe their luck when they saw they might be able to get a similar result with winnie.



Sounds like ideal conditions for a false flag op to me


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Nats definitely leaked. Turei’s mishandling of a similar situation saw the greens almost out of parliament and her kicked to touch. Nats probably couldn’t believe their luck when they saw they might be able to get a similar result with winnie.



Sounds like ideal conditions for a false flag op to me

:lol: :thumbup:

Winnie in a Black Beret, face paint and a ninja outfit.

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If we are going to play with tinfoil perhaps we should ask who benefited the most from the who affair?

Follow The Money. That being said he'd have to be prepared to make false disclosures and to perjure himself to then take a case.


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Our minister of health is a doctor ....


Of religious studies .... :frown:



Steven Joyce had a BSc ... in zoology :frown:

Means fuck all really.

:lol:


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In fact I'd say that if the majority party doesn't have the integrity to collapse the govt if too much of this goes on, then the Governor General should do it for them at a certain point.

No one voted for this.
Unlikely for the GC to step in, despite having a relatively new spouse to impress like Sir John Kerr also had. Ultimately the voters can render their verdict at the next election.

Didn’t realize that Dame Patsy was previously married to one of the Russell McVeagh tax partners. He was quite a character.


Oh for sure. Im just making an exaggerated intellectual point. But it really isn't okay having this guy in this position. The country is best off letting it resolve itself and he will be gone eventually.

I'm sticking to the main point though: the govt is ridiculous and any system that over promotes the promising but callow middle management hr woman to ceo job, and then shackles her to the awkward septugenarian independent director, has some teething problems.


Deal with it. Trump got in despite losing the popular vote but the system put him in. The system in NZ has done the same for Ardern. Anyway, every government since 1999 has been a coalition/minority governments supported by confidence and supply agreements.

IMO, the only time a GG should get involved is if the government cannot function (ie: not able to pass a budget) but remains in office. However, even then there are probably some laws or conventions somewhere stating that the PM must see the GG asap to tender their resignation.


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If we are going to play with tinfoil perhaps we should ask who benefited the most from the who affair?

Winston.
It's all about publicity innit?
And he'll fight on to the last taxpayer's dollar.


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In fact I'd say that if the majority party doesn't have the integrity to collapse the govt if too much of this goes on, then the Governor General should do it for them at a certain point.

No one voted for this.
Unlikely for the GC to step in, despite having a relatively new spouse to impress like Sir John Kerr also had. Ultimately the voters can render their verdict at the next election.

Didn’t realize that Dame Patsy was previously married to one of the Russell McVeagh tax partners. He was quite a character.


Oh for sure. Im just making an exaggerated intellectual point. But it really isn't okay having this guy in this position. The country is best off letting it resolve itself and he will be gone eventually.

I'm sticking to the main point though: the govt is ridiculous and any system that over promotes the promising but callow middle management hr woman to ceo job, and then shackles her to the awkward septugenarian independent director, has some teething problems.


Deal with it. Trump got in despite losing the popular vote but the system put him in. The system in NZ has done the same for Ardern. Anyway, every government since 1999 has been a coalition/minority governments supported by confidence and supply agreements.


I used the term CEO carefully. The NZ PM role is much more managerial than the US Presidency. They are quite different roles. The NZ system needs to find capable managers for the top job. If it is not doing that then we are going to give up one of the key advantages we have in our system.


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Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern has arrived at hospital to give birth.


The Prime Minister’s Office can confirm that Jacinda Ardern has arrived at Auckland hospital, with her partner Clarke Gayford, to have her baby.


Deputy Prime Minister Winston Peters is now Acting Prime Minister.


There will be no further formal announcements from the Prime Minister’s office till Jacinda Ardern and Clarke Gayford announce the birth of their baby.


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Interesting article - I have been on this bandwagon since Aunty Helen introduced Working for Families and believe it is the worst legislation ever passed. I call it the "big business subsidy" as, at the end of the day, they are the only ones who benefit

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/104490 ... n-the-hand

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When a $16k payrise only gives you $50 a week extra in hand after credits reduced

With the Government's Families Package increases on the horizon, Working for Families has been called into question. JOEL INESON speaks to a mother "trapped" by the help she receives, and a budget advice expert who says the system has contributed to New Zealand's low-wage economy.

When Sue* got a promotion and $16,000 pay-rise, she thought she would be able to start saving and eventually take her three children on holiday.

Instead, tax credits and subsidies decreased for the solo mother, leaving her only about $50 a week better off despite moving into full-time work.

In March, she was given the opportunity to take on a new role at her workplace, moving from a 30- to a 40-hour week and having her pay increased from $36,000 to $52,000.

"I was only just getting by [before]. Every single thing was budgeted and I used to do two trips to the shop – one for food and another to get nappies and formula – so that I found it easier to get to the checkout and not get a shock," she said.

"I had to have everything budgeted. I just thought if I could get a better job or more money it's just going to remove that stress."

Before tax, Sue's new earnings were about $310 extra per week. Because she is the sole breadwinner for her family, she was previously entitled to an $81-per-week accommodation supplement through Work and Income – but a higher salary reduced that to $8.

A weekly $311 Working for Families tax credit was also reduced, to $239.

Before the pay increase, Sue would get about $911 a week in the hand, including the supplement and tax credits. In the new job, she was left with $962. Both figures include child support received.

Sue got a reprieve when the Government rolled out the first part of its Families Package from April 1, where her accommodation supplement increased by $100, "but it would've gone up by $100 if I'd been on $36,000 as well".

The new supplement also affected a child care subsidy, which she required to be able to go to work.

Work and Income provides the child care subsidy to anyone with a gross weekly income lower than $1400. Sue's new job moved her into a new pay bracket, reducing her child care subsidy by $43 per week.

Work and Income put her on a "transitional assistance payment" which covered the childcare deficit, but if she gets another pay rise it gets worse – the payment stops if her income increases, accommodation supplement stops or she gets a Working For Families payment increase.

On July 1, the Government will roll out another phase of its Families Package, increasing Family Tax Credit rates and raising the income threshold for eligibility.

According to an estimate on the Work and Income website, Sue's tax credit entitlement will increase by nearly $80 a week. However, she will lose the $43 childcare subsidy and it is unclear whether her accommodation supplement will decrease.

"I don't want people to think I'm ungrateful for all the help that I get from the Government, I am.

"I would rather they encourage people to work ... with tax cuts. But welfare encourages people not to."

Kay Read, the Ministry of Social Development's group general manager for client service delivery, said the assistance available to people in work, like Sue, remained a better situation than receiving a benefit.

"While the income from working may not be hugely different initially as other assistance reduces, opportunities from working are better than on a benefit," she said.

"Working helps you get the things you need and helps you use your skills in your community. Working can help to make people happier, more self-confident [and] there is evidence that work is good for your mental and physical health."

Work and Income could also help with one-off, urgent or unexpected costs, Read said.

Beneficiary Advisory Service spokeswoman Rebecca Occleston said that although the service dealt mostly with beneficiaries, situations like Sue's were not uncommon.

"Better off is better than being worse-off, but it doesn't seem like a lot for an extra 10 hours-a-week's work. You're then, what, working for $5 an hour."

Sue said she did not want sympathy, but to highlight what it was like for many New Zealand families wanting to get ahead. She said she was doing everything in her power to provide a better life for herself and her family.

"There are all these people who comment 'you need to work more' or 'you need to get a better job'. Well, you work it out ... We're trapped."

Staff at Work and Income had "always been fantastic"; she enjoyed her job and was grateful for the new opportunity. Sue was reluctant to compare herself to the many working poor struggling to make ends meet across the country because a knack for budgeting meant she could make ends meet.

Last month, Salvation Army head of welfare services Pam Waugh said the growing number of those seeking help like food parcels was "fast becoming a national crisis". Charities like 0800 Hungry and the Christchurch City Mission have reported a growing number of working families requiring assistance.

Sue managed without having to reach out to such charities because every cent she spent was pre-meditated and a big bag of potatoes or rice could go a long way.

"I'm not flush with money and certainly if there was a big bill, like the car broke down, I'd have to figure out what on earth I was going to do, but we're certainly not starving, we have a roof over our heads," she said.

"The point is that for any of these families [like mine] it's just so hard to try and help yourself."

Sue said the Working for Families scheme seemed to have "the unintended result of trapping people in poverty", and her situation was not unique.

Single-income families where the stay-at-home parent decides to get a part-time job, a working parent being offered overtime or a small pay rise, or parents completing qualifications to seek employment could all be affected, she said.

"In all of these situations, the financial benefit to the families would make their efforts a waste of time."

Her concerns with the Working for Families set-up were echoed by David Marra, who manages the Christchurch Budget Service. The service has operated for 50 years and specialises in helping people permanently, casually or self-employed.

"[Situations like Sue's] have been an ongoing problem for years," Marra said.

It began when the Helen Clark-Michael Cullen Government brought in Working for Families after wages were "held down for a long time" from National earlier introducing the Employment Contracts Act in 1991, he said.

No particular Government could be entirely to blame. Clark's had improved working families' situations, but "overlooked" the fact it did not improve conditions for all workers. When National was elected in 2008, there were no amendments to the policy, nor was it overturned, over the next nine years.

"Whether it was intentional or whether it was an unintended consequence ... Working for Families has worked as a mechanism to keep wages down because it removes motivation," Marra said.

"It removes … the incentive, for workers [with families] to go for relatively small or moderate pay rises because it actually has no effect on the household income – because Working for Families tops up the income and then it abates [when pay increases]."

But the policy also impacted wages for those who did not have families, Marra said. They had to compete with those receiving Working for Families, who would be happier to settle for a lower salary because the tax credits brought them up to the median income anyway.

"Why would I employ you if you have no children and I have to pay you more when I can employ Bill, who has children and because there is this subsidy I can get Bill for cheaper than you. So I'm going to employ Bill."

Those factors, along with the Employment Contracts Act, had created "downward pressure" on all incomes "and that is part of what has created this low-wage economy that we have going on in New Zealand".

"It means wages are kept artificially low, because the wage is no longer about having adequate income to support a family, it's just allowed wages to be a market figure."

The result was Working for Families, framed as a tax credit, was functioning as "an employer subsidy".

Part of the way Sue manages her funds is through a revolving credit mortgage, where her home ​loan is an every day account and money can be spent up to a certain credit limit.

Interest savings are increased by keeping the account's overdraft balance as low as possible, requiring careful budgeting so as much money as possible is in the account at any given time.

"Each month the fixed expenses such as mortgage, rates, internet, phone and all the insurances come out of it," Sue said.

"We also have Sky, shock horror, that comes out of this fund. There's around $30 left over [each] week which sits and builds up on the revolving credit and I use this when the annual expenses fall due like registration, WOF [and] new tyres. Basically, I don't touch this fund."

About $350 of her weekly income goes into a spending account, to cover groceries, fuel, power, additional childcare costs and any other expenses.

"I allow $50 a week for fuel, $80 for power ... [and] try to allow $100 for groceries a week."

She set aside an additional $30 for other items like nappies, baby formula, cleaning products and other non food items, meaning she was left with about $40 in this account "on a good week".

"This always goes to something for the kids' school – new shoes or clothes, doctors visits. The kids are used to being asked to wait until next week before I can get them something."

Marra said these costs needed to come before anything else was spent. Then the cost of having an income had to be taken into account.

Things like specific work gear, clothing, the cost of childcare and transport for work should all be separated from people's weekly income.

"If public transport is not available then this will include the cost of owning, servicing and running a car," he said.

"Some employers demand that the employee has reliable transport, which is code for a private motor car. Often when employees use their car for work purposes they are frequently not fully reimbursed or reimbursed at anywhere near the IRD rate. This is a cost of having an income."

Having long-term savings, like Kiwisaver, and a short-term emergency fund were important steps. People should avoid credit cards "unless you are super disciplined".

Other than that, people could make significant savings "by changing their behaviour".

"Examples are as simple as making their own lunches and drinking the boss' coffee. The big one to avoid is expensive consumer debt, and buying expensive toys like cell phones with features you will never use on plans.

"The message is don't keep up with the Joneses – they are probably in debt."

* Stuff has kept Sue's identity hidden to protect her children.


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Any chance they will fire people up by releasing a photo of Clarke Gayford taking a snecky suck on the gas and air?


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Any chance they will fire people up by releasing a photo of Clarke Gayford taking a snecky suck on the gas and air?


Does any partner NOT do that? :lol:


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Question time today?

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Key claiming National would repeal WFF was pretty much a vote winner for mine. The lying plum.


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Question time today?

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That is funny but they missed a trick by not including a rambling two paragraph entry from Simon Bridges with a translation underneath saying "Is it here yet?"

Also did that dipshit David Seymour really say he was in favour of crapping public holidays and then leaving up employers to decide whether employees get a day in lieu? Sheesh, the stupid things you can say when another party guarantees you a spot in Parliament.


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Kahu wrote:
Key claiming National would repeal WFF was pretty much a vote winner for mine. The lying plum.

Sucker! ;) You must have loved Paula Benefit referring to it as "Our WFFs" then.


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UncleFB wrote:
Kahu wrote:
Key claiming National would repeal WFF was pretty much a vote winner for mine. The lying plum.

Sucker! ;) You must have loved Paula Benefit referring to it as "Our WFFs" then.

Tbf i should have followed the advice of a friend and not voted at all. Afterall it just encourages the bastards, bastards that are just different wings of the same bird.


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UncleFB wrote:
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Question time today?

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That is funny but they missed a trick by not including a rambling two paragraph entry from Simon Bridges with a translation underneath saying "Is it here yet?"

Also did that dipshit David Seymour really say he was in favour of crapping public holidays and then leaving up employers to decide whether employees get a day in lieu? Sheesh, the stupid things you can say when another party guarantees you a spot in Parliament.


Seymour did bust some sweet moves on "celebrity" dancing with the stars tho


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:o :o :o

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All this hype around the baby is very pommy esque. The sooner this song and dance is over and Jacinda gets back to trying to fulfill some of labour's promises the better...


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:o :o :o

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All this hype around the baby is very pommy esque. The sooner this song and dance is over and Jacinda gets back to trying to fulfill some of labour's promises the better...


Come off it mate. You just know you're going to be rushing out to buy the Womans Weekly/New Idea/Womans Day depending which one gets the exclusive scoop and photo shoot of the homecoming of Jacinda, Clarke and their new arrival. Denying this is futile. ;)


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