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PostPosted: Tue Mar 04, 2014 8:54 am 
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This man wants to be Prime Minister .


He attacked John Key for living in a' leafy suburb' and described his own humble abode as a 'doer-upper' Obviously a champion of the working class , right ?

Yeah.... Nah ... Bit more than that eh ?

Look don't get me wrong id rather not have some continual bludger as the PM . This guy is reasonably succesful so why pretend to be something you are not ?
Be proud of working hard and providing for your family .


Now today we find out he funneled cash into trusts to fund his leadership campaign but will not name 2 of the donors .

The questions must be asked can this man be trusted to be PM

Oh and by the way this is looking, one of those donors must be the National party . They must be thinking the best way to win the next election is to keep DC in the big labour chair .


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Not the man needed to lead any party quite frankly. He will lose this election rather than Key win it I feel.

Labour need to dump him this week


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Oh and by the way this is looking, one of those donors must be the National party . They must be thinking the best way to win the next election is to keep DC in the big labour chair .


:lol:

I've said on here a few times that I'm a 'natural' Labour voter in the sense that I like to see equal opportunity, people who can look after themselves helped out, don't like wars, don't think corporations have all the answers, and so on. But Labour has been totally unelectable since Clark because they're looney-tunes left, are dishonest, and the leadership is totally incompetent. And any government they might lead would be Labour / Greens / Peters / Mana. Almost worth seeing just for the fun of it, but a lot of people would end up suffering.

In the meantime National's actually a centre-left party and is the most competent government I've ever seen or worked with.

And to answer the question, no.


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I worry about the Labour party. They're doing such a poor job at regeneration too. It's not good for long-term democracy in NZ.

This bloke is clearly the worst leader of either party for a very very long time. It's not possible to feel sorry for him because he's such a plum to go with his incompetence.


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Not the man needed to lead any party quite frankly. He will lose this election rather than Key win it I feel.

Labour need to dump him this week


Key has been an outstanding PM. The best in memory. Certain people, who shall not be named (said in Bill fashion :nod: ), may continue to deny this. But it is the reality.

About time to give him the credit he deserves. He's not only super-competent, he's also an electoral machine.


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I worry about the Labour party. They're doing such a poor job at regeneration too. It's not good for long-term democracy in NZ.

This bloke is clearly the worst leader of either party for a very very long time. It's not possible to feel sorry for him because he's such a plum to go with his incompetence.


Yes, has what my mate Gooner used to call a face you'd never get fed up paneling. Key called his leadership a 'shipwreck' the other day and I thought it was a mis-speak when he meant trainwreck. The wider quote was about the Rena so he did mean shipwreck but the more I thought about it the more shipwreck was right - a trainwreck is a high-speed explosive ka-pow thing, raw power gone wrong. Cunliffe's leadership is more of a slow inevitable sinking with a hopelessly ill-qualified master running around like a headless chicken. Hopefully many hands go down with the ship and they can bring in a load of fresh talent.


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Labour need to move along one more David for the sake of our democracy.


Cunliffe is as fake as a 2-bob watch.

See him speak, or reading with the school kids with the big glued-on smile, trying to act like John Key, and it's cringe, cringe, cringe.


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Seneca of the Night wrote:
enzedder01 wrote:
Not the man needed to lead any party quite frankly. He will lose this election rather than Key win it I feel.

Labour need to dump him this week


Key has been an outstanding PM. The best in memory. Certain people, who shall not be named (said in Bill fashion :nod: ), may continue to deny this. But it is the reality.

About time to give him the credit he deserves. He's not only super-competent, he's also an electoral machine.

Agreed. The only very minor quibble is that he is taking the country in completely the wrong direction... x(


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slow wing wrote:
Seneca of the Night wrote:
enzedder01 wrote:
Not the man needed to lead any party quite frankly. He will lose this election rather than Key win it I feel.

Labour need to dump him this week


Key has been an outstanding PM. The best in memory. Certain people, who shall not be named (said in Bill fashion :nod: ), may continue to deny this. But it is the reality.

About time to give him the credit he deserves. He's not only super-competent, he's also an electoral machine.

Agreed. The only very minor quibble is that he is taking the country in completely the wrong direction... x(


Yes, well, quite. You will know how I felt about Clark then, of whom it would be churlish of me to deny that she had control of her brief.

I do see two differences between Key and Clark though, which give Key an edge. Firstly he is comfortable delegating, which Clark was not, being a micro-managing control freak, and secondly he is doing a bang-up job of regeneration. He seems to have the power just to tap MPs on the shoulder and say 'time's up' and out they go. His succession planning is excellent. Given the extremely poor job Labour are doing on this, it is possible that he could hand over to a successor who will get a similarly long shot at the top job.


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slow wing wrote:
Labour need to move along one more David for the sake of our democracy.


Cunliffe is as fake as a 2-bob watch.

See him speak, or reading with the school kids with the big glued-on smile, trying to act like John Key, and it's cringe, cringe, cringe.

Agreed - I knew we shouldn't have trusted Eugenius!!! What a big f**king misstep by Labour. Maybe the David's should be parked for a while and it's time for Shane 'Porn Watcher' Jones to take over after what seems to be an inevitable election defeat (if we believe the polls).


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Not the man needed to lead any party quite frankly. He will lose this election rather than Key win it I feel.

Labour need to dump him this week


Key has been an outstanding PM. The best in memory. Certain people, who shall not be named (said in Bill fashion :nod: ), may continue to deny this. But it is the reality.

About time to give him the credit he deserves. He's not only super-competent, he's also an electoral machine.

:lol: You are quite hilarious Sen, you fluff him regularly.

Key is a capable politician and he's extremely lucky that he has Joyce to do all his heavy lifting. He's also extremely fortunate to have a weirdly sycophantic media that tend to give his missteps a free ride and publicise him to the hilt.

You have to give the current National govt credit though, they are experts at managing the media (e.g. Novopay has disappeared despite the problems being worse in some areas), and they have successfully occupied the space of of the left (adopting WFF as their policy, not raising the retirement age), while blundering through with their policies (tax cuts, asset sales) to keep their tighty righty mates happy. They've done a masterful job. Especially when you consider they have the three witches Bennett, Tolley, and Collins and the incompetent Parata as their female face.


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Seneca of the Night wrote:
slow wing wrote:
Seneca of the Night wrote:
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Not the man needed to lead any party quite frankly. He will lose this election rather than Key win it I feel.

Labour need to dump him this week


Key has been an outstanding PM. The best in memory. Certain people, who shall not be named (said in Bill fashion :nod: ), may continue to deny this. But it is the reality.

About time to give him the credit he deserves. He's not only super-competent, he's also an electoral machine.

Agreed. The only very minor quibble is that he is taking the country in completely the wrong direction... x(


Yes, well, quite. You will know how I felt about Clark then, of whom it would be churlish of me to deny that she had control of her brief.

I do see two differences between Key and Clark though, which give Key an edge. Firstly he is comfortable delegating, which Clark was not, being a micro-managing control freak, and secondly he is doing a bang-up job of regeneration. He seems to have the power just to tap MPs on the shoulder and say 'time's up' and out they go. His succession planning is excellent. Given the extremely poor job Labour are doing on this, it is possible that he could hand over to a successor who will get a similarly long shot at the top job.

You've been out of Wellington a long time Sen, in all your fluffing of Key you've overlooked the job he does holding the various National factions in line ... when he goes it will be a shit fight.


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Christ you took your time mate. I was heaving so hard on the old dog whistle I thought my lungs would burst.


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slow wing wrote:
Seneca of the Night wrote:
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Not the man needed to lead any party quite frankly. He will lose this election rather than Key win it I feel.

Labour need to dump him this week


Key has been an outstanding PM. The best in memory. Certain people, who shall not be named (said in Bill fashion :nod: ), may continue to deny this. But it is the reality.

About time to give him the credit he deserves. He's not only super-competent, he's also an electoral machine.

Agreed. The only very minor quibble is that he is taking the country in completely the wrong direction... x(


I don't get that? The most important thing for people struggling is jobs - far and away. The effect on people's income, physical and mental health, kids' prospects, etc. are all massively dependent on it, and this government's done very well. There's half a chance of getting all treaty claims sorted in the next few years, a process that ground to a halt under Labour. We're not involved in anyone's wars. We've got near-record levels of immigration from all over and nil race relations issues. Health and education - haven't heard a peep. Crime is down. What's completely wrong?

That's a problem for Labour - there's just nothing to attack. It's all minor quibbles or bollocks, charter schools or a manufacturing crisis when manufacturing's on its greatest charge for two decades.

The only area I think they've got totally wrong is on the GCSB and SIS but that's a minor issue for most people.


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So if they replace DC do they go Robertson or Jones ?


I quite like both of them .

Not sure if heartland NZ would elect a Gay PM , but then again heartland NZ votes dont really count .

Jones could be entertaining


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It's never too late to switch sides you know. I wouldn't say this to most people, but I imagine the first time is the hardest, and you've got that out of the way, so you may as well repeat the trick. :thumbup:


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What about David Parker, Hareaway?


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So if they replace DC do they go Robertson or Jones ?


I quite like both of them .

Not sure if heartland NZ would elect a Gay PM , but then again heartland NZ votes dont really count .

Jones could be entertaining

Heartland NZ elected a transgender MP and I think at least one or two of the gay MPs are from the Heartland ... it's the old generation I'd worry about. But then again, they probably wont elect a Maori either! ;)


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Labour need to move along one more David for the sake of our democracy.


Cunliffe is as fake as a 2-bob watch.

See him speak, or reading with the school kids with the big glued-on smile, trying to act like John Key, and it's cringe, cringe, cringe.

Agreed - I knew we shouldn't have trusted Eugenius!!! What a big f**king misstep by Labour. Maybe the David's should be parked for a while and it's time for Shane 'Porn Watcher' Jones to take over after what seems to be an inevitable election defeat (if we believe the polls).


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Not the man needed to lead any party quite frankly. He will lose this election rather than Key win it I feel.

Labour need to dump him this week


Key has been an outstanding PM. The best in memory. Certain people, who shall not be named (said in Bill fashion :nod: ), may continue to deny this. But it is the reality.

About time to give him the credit he deserves. He's not only super-competent, he's also an electoral machine.

:lol: You are quite hilarious Sen, you fluff him regularly.

Key is a capable politician and he's extremely lucky that he has Joyce to do all his heavy lifting. He's also extremely fortunate to have a weirdly sycophantic media that tend to give his missteps a free ride and publicise him to the hilt.

You have to give the current National govt credit though, they are experts at managing the media (e.g. Novopay has disappeared despite the problems being worse in some areas), and they have successfully occupied the space of of the left (adopting WFF as their policy, not raising the retirement age), while blundering through with their policies (tax cuts, asset sales) to keep their tighty righty mates happy. They've done a masterful job. Especially when you consider they have the three witches Bennett, Tolley, and Collins and the incompetent Parata as their female face.


On the Novopay subject, that project was started on 07/06/2005, under a Labour Government and the contract was awarded to Talent2 and signed by the then education minister, Chris Carter, on 11/08/2008, again under a Labour government. So laying that at the feet of the Nats is a bit rich.

http://www.minedu.govt.nz/~/media/MinEd ... nology.pdf

As to the weirdly sycophantic media you refer to, would that be the likes of TVNZ where Labour Fundraising meetings were held? Where the likes of Shane Taurima, who ran the maori and pasifika unit at TVNZ while standing as a potential candidate for Labour?


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Labour needed an 'Orewa moment' long before now. Labour were riding high in the polls at the end of 2003 and were odds on to roll in for an easy 3rd term at the 2005 election. Cue Don Brash's orewa speech in jan 2004 and within a few short weeks, national were right back in the race. Labour still went on to win, but what was previously going to be a demolition job just like the 2002 election, turned into a swing back to national and helen having to do a deal with winston.

IMO David Cunliffe won't be getting any orewa moments this year.


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What about David Parker, Hareaway?



Yep have always liked him too . Otago country boy :thumbup:

Cunliffe was never a person i thought of as being leader let alone PM .


I think as Sen has alluded to, Labours problem is how distance themselves from the greens and Hone yet keep them close enough to offer a viable alternative to the current government .


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Seneca of the Night wrote:
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Not the man needed to lead any party quite frankly. He will lose this election rather than Key win it I feel.

Labour need to dump him this week


Key has been an outstanding PM. The best in memory. Certain people, who shall not be named (said in Bill fashion :nod: ), may continue to deny this. But it is the reality.

About time to give him the credit he deserves. He's not only super-competent, he's also an electoral machine.

Agreed. The only very minor quibble is that he is taking the country in completely the wrong direction... x(


I don't get that? The most important thing for people struggling is jobs - far and away. The effect on people's income, physical and mental health, kids' prospects, etc. are all massively dependent on it, and this government's done very well. There's half a chance of getting all treaty claims sorted in the next few years, a process that ground to a halt under Labour. We're not involved in anyone's wars. We've got near-record levels of immigration from all over and nil race relations issues. Health and education - haven't heard a peep. Crime is down. What's completely wrong?

That's a problem for Labour - there's just nothing to attack. It's all minor quibbles or bollocks, charter schools or a manufacturing crisis when manufacturing's on its greatest charge for two decades.

The only area I think they've got totally wrong is on the GCSB and SIS but that's a minor issue for most people.

That's part of it. It links in with what Edward Snowden has exposed, Kim Dotcom, our cops running amok and our society is under genuine threat imo. Related is the loss of sovereignty with the TPP nonsense.
And then the risky drilling, asset sales and $30 million to the aluminium smelter.

What was the logic behind that $30 million anyway? Some sort of fealty payment? x(


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What about David Parker, Hareaway?


Parker was my Minister for a while. Very clever, very good to deal with, very straight up. Young and has that 'new broom' feel to him. Deffo their best prospect tho' he has a very awkward personal life (that I didn't learn about through work). I suspect that the best option for Parker is to let the shipwreck happen in 2014, try to avoid as much tarnish as possible, and then make his run at the 2017 election when Key will be trying for a very difficult 4th term. Jones is an impossible leader (tho' might be fun if Cunliffe is deposed before this coming election) because he'll royally fudge up at some point, and Robertson is inward-facing and won't be able to develop the profile.

BTW I am disappoint that you declined to answer my post above. :(( Oops! ;)


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Cunliffe looks like a Cnut, acts like a Cnut and speaks like a Cnut. He also has a face like a dropped mince pie. I wouldn't trust him..even with some tomato sauce on top.


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That's part of it. It links in with what Edward Snowden has exposed, Kim Dotcom, our cops running amok and our society is under genuine threat imo. Related is the loss of sovereignty with the TPP nonsense.
And then the risky drilling, asset sales and $30 million to the aluminium smelter.

What was the logic behind that $30 million anyway? Some sort of fealty payment? x(


Yup I agree re 'genuine threat'. It's the biggest single issue of our times, and something that most people seem to be sleepwalking into in exchange for smartphones and facebook and an illusion of security from threats that manifestly don't exist. That's another thread though...

We'll have to agree to disagree on mining and drilling, and asset 'sales'.

I think the $30M was pretty straightforward - the risk (whether it was ever going to happen or not) of losing thousands of high-paying old-school jobs in the heartland would have lost a load of votes and have given Labour and The Greens a very easy attack opportunity (the manufacturing crisis! the crisis in the provinces! uncaring ideologues throwing blue collar jobs to the dogs but they've got money for tax cuts!). They just did the real-politik thing and shelled the money out.


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OK, we're agreed on the first part so let's talk economics, where Key is a disaster imo.

It's so short term and Key is a lapdog to the Yanks and the multi-nationals. We are risking and selling off much of our economic base rather than building it.

Just to set the scale: selling off our assets has earned in total about the same as the market cap of the clever Kiwi tech start up, Xero - roughly $4B in both cases.
We should keep and respect our primary base (farming, fishing and forestry) and tourism and then also nurture those sorts of smart technology SMEs - it's so painless and so healthy for the economy!

The Yanks and the multi-nationals aren't doing us any favours and shouldn't be pandered to. The money and the control goes overseas.
Also, we have a balance of payments problem because as a nation we save ~$100B and borrow ~$200B, and the bulk of it is with the Aussie banks who skim the cream off the top.
Kiwi banks are better but better still would be saving and then borrowing say ~$100B of that with Kiwi credit unions, where the customers own the company and the profits stay in NZ.


Simple! :)


Buts that's sort of the opposite of what John Key is doing, with so many talking him up as if he is some sort of economic wizard as well. :?


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Hmmm :-) Key's a lapdog to the royals and it makes me puke a bit, well a lot, but as a country we have hardly any multi-nationals playing a big role. There's no car manufacturers here, big oil, big pharma, etc. as cornerstones of the economy. Just not a factor. Even where oil (for instance) is a factor like in Taranaki the employment is nearly all through local contractors. Rather, nearly all our industry is locally-owned SMEs (farms, little manufacturing outfits, tourism operators, etc.). From memory we're up there with the most businesses per capita and we're the easiest place in the world to set a business up. The big employers in Wellington other than the state (inc. the universities) are Weta, Xero, TradeMe, etc., all local.

Asset sales is a nonsense. The government has a strategy of net asset acquisition and an argument that says you can buy assets but never sell any is just daft; just don't get it.

And re balance of payments, the state will be back in balance by next year and pay off its / our debts some time after that. Who individuals borrow from is their affair and if someone thinks Kiwi credit unions are a good idea, great.


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On the Novopay subject, that project was started on 07/06/2005, under a Labour Government and the contract was awarded to Talent2 and signed by the then education minister, Chris Carter, on 11/08/2008, again under a Labour government. So laying that at the feet of the Nats is a bit rich.

http://www.minedu.govt.nz/~/media/MinEd ... nology.pdf

As to the weirdly sycophantic media you refer to, would that be the likes of TVNZ where Labour Fundraising meetings were held? Where the likes of Shane Taurima, who ran the maori and pasifika unit at TVNZ while standing as a potential candidate for Labour?

Who first commissioned Novopay is irrelevant, the fact is it has been adopted during the National term, they removed safeguards that were included within the contract, and have since had over a year to get things right. Even bringing in their top dog Joyce to sort things out and he's failed. Labour may have been just as bad as implementing it and you'd be shouting from the rooftops about it, but they're not, the Nats are, and they're failing miserably.

Also, the fact that Taurima was a dickhead doesn't suggest that all of TVNZ are onboard the Labour train. He's getting a smack on the knuckles for it and has probably harmed any further chances he has with Labour.

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Labour needed an 'Orewa moment' long before now. Labour were riding high in the polls at the end of 2003 and were odds on to roll in for an easy 3rd term at the 2005 election. Cue Don Brash's orewa speech in jan 2004 and within a few short weeks, national were right back in the race. Labour still went on to win, but what was previously going to be a demolition job just like the 2002 election, turned into a swing back to national and helen having to do a deal with winston.

IMO David Cunliffe won't be getting any orewa moments this year.

There is no way in hell of Labour coming up with an Orewa. Where are they going to find a racist attack, backed up with half truths to inflame the rednecks to vote for them? Personally, I think that was a low point in NZ politics, which Key and Joyce have wisely chosen to avoid much to their credit.

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Christ you took your time mate. I was heaving so hard on the old dog whistle I thought my lungs would burst.

Woof woof. Just giving you time to reach that climax you aim for when ever the subject of Key comes up.


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Labour needed an 'Orewa moment' long before now. Labour were riding high in the polls at the end of 2003 and were odds on to roll in for an easy 3rd term at the 2005 election. Cue Don Brash's orewa speech in jan 2004 and within a few short weeks, national were right back in the race. Labour still went on to win, but what was previously going to be a demolition job just like the 2002 election, turned into a swing back to national and helen having to do a deal with winston.

IMO David Cunliffe won't be getting any orewa moments this year.

There is no way in hell of Labour coming up with an Orewa. Where are they going to find a racist attack, backed up with half truths to inflame the rednecks to vote for them? Personally, I think that was a low point in NZ politics, which Key and Joyce have wisely chosen to avoid much to their credit.


Of course not. I was just thinking of a 'game changing' moment from the Left side of politics, just like what the righties did with the orewa speech.


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Labour needed an 'Orewa moment' long before now. Labour were riding high in the polls at the end of 2003 and were odds on to roll in for an easy 3rd term at the 2005 election. Cue Don Brash's orewa speech in jan 2004 and within a few short weeks, national were right back in the race. Labour still went on to win, but what was previously going to be a demolition job just like the 2002 election, turned into a swing back to national and helen having to do a deal with winston.

IMO David Cunliffe won't be getting any orewa moments this year.

There is no way in hell of Labour coming up with an Orewa. Where are they going to find a racist attack, backed up with half truths to inflame the rednecks to vote for them? Personally, I think that was a low point in NZ politics, which Key and Joyce have wisely chosen to avoid much to their credit.


Of course not. I was just thinking of a 'game changing' moment from the Left side of politics, just like what the righties did with the orewa speech.

Yeah, I don't think there is one. The only thing Labour can do is get as many people out to vote as possible.


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PostPosted: Tue Mar 04, 2014 11:27 pm 
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UncleFB wrote:
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On the Novopay subject, that project was started on 07/06/2005, under a Labour Government and the contract was awarded to Talent2 and signed by the then education minister, Chris Carter, on 11/08/2008, again under a Labour government. So laying that at the feet of the Nats is a bit rich.

http://www.minedu.govt.nz/~/media/MinEd ... nology.pdf

As to the weirdly sycophantic media you refer to, would that be the likes of TVNZ where Labour Fundraising meetings were held? Where the likes of Shane Taurima, who ran the maori and pasifika unit at TVNZ while standing as a potential candidate for Labour?

Who first commissioned Novopay is irrelevant, the fact is it has been adopted during the National term, they removed safeguards that were included within the contract, and have since had over a year to get things right. Even bringing in their top dog Joyce to sort things out and he's failed. Labour may have been just as bad as implementing it and you'd be shouting from the rooftops about it, but they're not, the Nats are, and they're failing miserably.

Also, the fact that Taurima was a dickhead doesn't suggest that all of TVNZ are onboard the Labour train. He's getting a smack on the knuckles for it and has probably harmed any further chances he has with Labour.

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Labour needed an 'Orewa moment' long before now. Labour were riding high in the polls at the end of 2003 and were odds on to roll in for an easy 3rd term at the 2005 election. Cue Don Brash's orewa speech in jan 2004 and within a few short weeks, national were right back in the race. Labour still went on to win, but what was previously going to be a demolition job just like the 2002 election, turned into a swing back to national and helen having to do a deal with winston.

IMO David Cunliffe won't be getting any orewa moments this year.

There is no way in hell of Labour coming up with an Orewa. Where are they going to find a racist attack, backed up with half truths to inflame the rednecks to vote for them? Personally, I think that was a low point in NZ politics, which Key and Joyce have wisely chosen to avoid much to their credit.

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Christ you took your time mate. I was heaving so hard on the old dog whistle I thought my lungs would burst.

Woof woof. Just giving you time to reach that climax you aim for when ever the subject of Key comes up.


8) Well, it's tough luck for you my son, because I will tell you how this guy is going out: Alex Ferguson style, in the middle of the pitch, on his own terms, with the applause of the nation behind him. There's a lot of fortunate timing in it, but he has played an absolute blinder. The best politician I have seen anywhere.


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Key-sian economics has thus far proven a reasonable success, and Honest John has been riding a wave of electoral good will for quite some time now. Looks like that wave could extend for a bit longer now without credible opposition.


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Seneca of the Night wrote:
UncleFB wrote:
kiwidutchie wrote:

On the Novopay subject, that project was started on 07/06/2005, under a Labour Government and the contract was awarded to Talent2 and signed by the then education minister, Chris Carter, on 11/08/2008, again under a Labour government. So laying that at the feet of the Nats is a bit rich.

http://www.minedu.govt.nz/~/media/MinEd ... nology.pdf

As to the weirdly sycophantic media you refer to, would that be the likes of TVNZ where Labour Fundraising meetings were held? Where the likes of Shane Taurima, who ran the maori and pasifika unit at TVNZ while standing as a potential candidate for Labour?

Who first commissioned Novopay is irrelevant, the fact is it has been adopted during the National term, they removed safeguards that were included within the contract, and have since had over a year to get things right. Even bringing in their top dog Joyce to sort things out and he's failed. Labour may have been just as bad as implementing it and you'd be shouting from the rooftops about it, but they're not, the Nats are, and they're failing miserably.

Also, the fact that Taurima was a dickhead doesn't suggest that all of TVNZ are onboard the Labour train. He's getting a smack on the knuckles for it and has probably harmed any further chances he has with Labour.

Auckman wrote:
Labour needed an 'Orewa moment' long before now. Labour were riding high in the polls at the end of 2003 and were odds on to roll in for an easy 3rd term at the 2005 election. Cue Don Brash's orewa speech in jan 2004 and within a few short weeks, national were right back in the race. Labour still went on to win, but what was previously going to be a demolition job just like the 2002 election, turned into a swing back to national and helen having to do a deal with winston.

IMO David Cunliffe won't be getting any orewa moments this year.

There is no way in hell of Labour coming up with an Orewa. Where are they going to find a racist attack, backed up with half truths to inflame the rednecks to vote for them? Personally, I think that was a low point in NZ politics, which Key and Joyce have wisely chosen to avoid much to their credit.

Seneca of the Night wrote:
Christ you took your time mate. I was heaving so hard on the old dog whistle I thought my lungs would burst.

Woof woof. Just giving you time to reach that climax you aim for when ever the subject of Key comes up.


8) Well, it's tough luck for you my son, because I will tell you how this guy is going out: Alex Ferguson style, in the middle of the pitch, on his own terms, with the applause of the nation behind him. There's a lot of fortunate timing in it, but he has played an absolute blinder. The best politician I have seen anywhere.

Applause of some of the nation and a great wad of your jizz on his back!

I think he's a good 'politician', not at your fanboi levels though.


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vh5150 wrote:
Cunliffe looks like a Cnut, acts like a Cnut and speaks like a Cnut. He also has a face like a dropped mince pie. I wouldn't trust him..even with some tomato sauce on top.


sums him up perfectly - just seems like an utter slimebag, how Labour could want him as a front man makes no sense to me but I'm not a Labour voter


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thor wrote:
vh5150 wrote:
Cunliffe looks like a Cnut, acts like a Cnut and speaks like a Cnut. He also has a face like a dropped mince pie. I wouldn't trust him..even with some tomato sauce on top.


sums him up perfectly - just seems like an utter slimebag, how Labour could want him as a front man makes no sense to me but I'm not a Labour voter

Eugenius has been fluffing Cunliffe as much as Sen fluffs Key so I'm awaiting a comment from him on this topic but he's been noticeably absent from this thread.


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UncleFB wrote:
thor wrote:
vh5150 wrote:
Cunliffe looks like a Cnut, acts like a Cnut and speaks like a Cnut. He also has a face like a dropped mince pie. I wouldn't trust him..even with some tomato sauce on top.


sums him up perfectly - just seems like an utter slimebag, how Labour could want him as a front man makes no sense to me but I'm not a Labour voter

Eugenius has been fluffing Cunliffe as much as Sen fluffs Key so I'm awaiting a comment from him on this topic but he's been noticeably absent from this thread.


Isn't he in India peddeling shit art


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The prospect of this Labour lot forming a coalition Government involving the Greens and Mana is so dire that I am actually considering enrolling for the electoral roll and voting.


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The prospect of this Labour lot forming a coalition Government involving the Greens and Mana is so dire that I am actually considering enrolling for the electoral roll and voting.


Steady on Dem, let's not start talking crazy here.


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naki wrote:
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The prospect of this Labour lot forming a coalition Government involving the Greens and Mana is so dire that I am actually considering enrolling for the electoral roll and voting.


Steady on Dem, let's not start talking crazy here.


These are dark times. Dark "men-using-moisturiser-and-listening-to-Coldplay"-times.

That said, I only said I'm considering it. I still may just go to the pub that day.

I bet Cunliffe listens to Coldplay. What a plum.


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Demilich wrote:
naki wrote:
Demilich wrote:
The prospect of this Labour lot forming a coalition Government involving the Greens and Mana is so dire that I am actually considering enrolling for the electoral roll and voting.


Steady on Dem, let's not start talking crazy here.


These are dark times. Dark "men-using-moisturiser-and-listening-to-Coldplay"-times.

That said, I only said I'm considering it. I still may just go to the pub that day.

I bet Cunliffe listens to Coldplay. What a plum.


Cunliffe listens to whatever you've just told him you like listening to.


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