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What has Ardern done other than lose Auckland central on multiple occasions and implementing a couple of poorly thought out bills
Well, she won Mt Albert with a higher percentage of the vote than her opposite Bennett did in her manufactured seat.

Also, she hasn't leaked personal information about WINZ complainants. She hasn't overseen the birth of a new industry - taxpayer funded motel stays for low income families. She didn't even create the environment where beneficiaries and the people who help them are now separated by security doors and guards.


Don't ever work in PR bro
It's really easy for pro government people to ask what opposition MPs have achieved in opposition. Equally easy, I just highlighted a few of the blunders Bennett has nailed as a minister.

Putting added security at WINZ offices down to a "blunder" by the Minister seems a stretch no matter which party you support.


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What has Ardern done other than lose Auckland central on multiple occasions and implementing a couple of poorly thought out bills
Well, she won Mt Albert with a higher percentage of the vote than her opposite Bennett did in her manufactured seat.

Also, she hasn't leaked personal information about WINZ complainants. She hasn't overseen the birth of a new industry - taxpayer funded motel stays for low income families. She didn't even create the environment where beneficiaries and the people who help them are now separated by security doors and guards.


Don't ever work in PR bro
It's really easy for pro government people to ask what opposition MPs have achieved in opposition. Equally easy, I just highlighted a few of the blunders Bennett has nailed as a minister.

Putting added security at WINZ offices down to a "blunder" by the Minister seems a stretch no matter which party you support.
The cost cutting and ensuing chaos and confusion around the splitting of tasks between MSD and HNZ contributed to the very poor treatment New Zealand's most vulnerable people currently get. This only heightens the risk that a dangerous individual will react in an unpredictable way. Which is exactly what happened in Ashburton. Bennett is not directly responsible for this particular action but her, and her government's, policy settings have made life much harder for those at the bottom, with predictable results.


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 Post subject: Re: NZ Politics Thread
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Interesting interview with former PM Jim Bolger.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politic ... power-back


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 Post subject: Re: NZ Politics Thread
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Just stumbled up a few reviews of this book:

https://thespinoff.co.nz/politics/22-04 ... epressing/

It would seem, from reading this and a few other reviews that this rather earnest young fellow has written an instant classic: one of the single worst political books of all time.

Sounds like I definitely need a copy.

It's hard to sort of stack up just how ghastly this bloke's CV is, but he seems to have not put a foot right. It's all there from the LLB hons, the time in Sian Ellis's office, the Rhodes Scholarship, the MPhil in Public Policy, the internship with Helen fcking Clark FFS, an astonishingly bad and turgid blog, and now a seven year post at Oxford to produce this sort of rubbish.

Go straight to the head of the class dweeb. A place at number 45 on Labour's list surely beckons.


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Seneca of the Night wrote:
Just stumbled up a few reviews of this book:

https://thespinoff.co.nz/politics/22-04 ... epressing/

It would seem, from reading this and a few other reviews that this rather earnest young fellow has written an instant classic: one of the single worst political books of all time.

Sounds like I definitely need a copy.

It's hard to sort of stack up just how ghastly this bloke's CV is, but he seems to have not put a foot right. It's all there from the LLB hons, the time in Sian Ellis's office, the Rhodes Scholarship, the MPhil in Public Policy, the internship with Helen fcking Clark FFS, an astonishingly bad and turgid blog, and now a seven year post at Oxford to produce this sort of rubbish.

Go straight to the head of the class dweeb. A place at number 45 on Labour's list surely beckons.


I used to go to school with the author of that article. I thought he worked in IT but he's obviously doing something different these days.


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Tehui wrote:
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Just stumbled up a few reviews of this book:

https://thespinoff.co.nz/politics/22-04 ... epressing/

It would seem, from reading this and a few other reviews that this rather earnest young fellow has written an instant classic: one of the single worst political books of all time.

Sounds like I definitely need a copy.

It's hard to sort of stack up just how ghastly this bloke's CV is, but he seems to have not put a foot right. It's all there from the LLB hons, the time in Sian Ellis's office, the Rhodes Scholarship, the MPhil in Public Policy, the internship with Helen fcking Clark FFS, an astonishingly bad and turgid blog, and now a seven year post at Oxford to produce this sort of rubbish.

Go straight to the head of the class dweeb. A place at number 45 on Labour's list surely beckons.


I used to go to school with the author of that article. I thought he worked in IT but he's obviously doing something different these days.


A blogger with Labour party connections I believe. Quite well thought of in the shallow paddling pool of nz political commentator. He's giving the young Oxford prodigy a bit of a wedgy here. But he deserves more. He needs a good punch in the chops. It's embarrassing for a 28 year old at the height of one's game to look so far back in the mirror.


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 Post subject: Re: NZ Politics Thread
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Btw. Just for clarity Danyl McLaughlin is the well regarded blogger and reviewer. One max Fisher is the Oxford dweeb and writer of what looks like the worst political book ever written.


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 Post subject: Re: NZ Politics Thread
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Seneca of the Night wrote:
Btw. Just for clarity Danyl McLaughlin is the well regarded blogger and reviewer. One max Fisher is the Oxford dweeb and writer of what looks like the worst political book ever written.


It's good to know that. I remember that he was a bit of a quiet guy at school. Ironically, we were in the same English class in 7th form. He goes on to become a well regarded eloquent blogger, I go on to troll people on PR using all sorts of ghetto English.


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Tehui wrote:
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Btw. Just for clarity Danyl McLaughlin is the well regarded blogger and reviewer. One max Fisher is the Oxford dweeb and writer of what looks like the worst political book ever written.


It's good to know that. I remember that he was a bit of a quiet guy at school. Ironically, we were in the same English class in 7th form. He goes on to become a well regarded eloquent blogger, I go on to troll people on PR using all sorts of ghetto English.


:lol: I'm sure your 16,000 posts on PR carry far more gravitas than some insignificant blog.


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 Post subject: Re: NZ Politics Thread
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Btw. Just for clarity Danyl McLaughlin is the well regarded blogger and reviewer. One max Fisher is the Oxford dweeb and writer of what looks like the worst political book ever written.


It's good to know that. I remember that he was a bit of a quiet guy at school. Ironically, we were in the same English class in 7th form. He goes on to become a well regarded eloquent blogger, I go on to troll people on PR using all sorts of ghetto English.


:lol: I'm sure your 16,000 posts on PR carry far more gravitas than some insignificant blog.


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 Post subject: Re: NZ Politics Thread
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The point with these graphics is to highlight the transitions. For example, what were the implications of turnout being higher in 2014 than 2011 (77.9% of enrolled voters in 2014 compared to 74.2% in 2011)? Judging from this survey data, the National Party gained 6.6% of the enrolled population in 2014 by converting them from a 2011 “did not vote” and lost only 3.6% in the other direction. This net gain of three percentage points was enough to win the election for the National-led coalition. In contrast, the Labour party had a net gain from “did not vote” in 2011 of only 0.2 percentage points. Remember though that these are survey-based estimates, and subject to statistical error.


Even so, it will be interesting to see if the trend continues with the "did not vote" block this year.


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I wonder how much the dotcom-Mana Party bullshit inspired people out the door to the polling booth, and if we'll have something similar this year.


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 Post subject: Re: NZ Politics Thread
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I wonder how much the dotcom-Mana Party bullshit inspired people out the door to the polling booth, and if we'll have something similar this year.


Well here's hoping... At least until there appears an opposition worth the name. One maybe, that can acknowledge where things are generally OK but then articulate how their policies could actually make things better. The sky is falling routine hasn't proven very effective thus far.


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The point with these graphics is to highlight the transitions. For example, what were the implications of turnout being higher in 2014 than 2011 (77.9% of enrolled voters in 2014 compared to 74.2% in 2011)? Judging from this survey data, the National Party gained 6.6% of the enrolled population in 2014 by converting them from a 2011 “did not vote” and lost only 3.6% in the other direction. This net gain of three percentage points was enough to win the election for the National-led coalition. In contrast, the Labour party had a net gain from “did not vote” in 2011 of only 0.2 percentage points. Remember though that these are survey-based estimates, and subject to statistical error.


Even so, it will be interesting to see if the trend continues with the "did not vote" block this year.


That's a good graphic. Interesting.


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I wonder how much the dotcom-Mana Party bullshit inspired people out the door to the polling booth, and if we'll have something similar this year.


Gareth Morgan's Opportunities Party?


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 Post subject: Re: NZ Politics Thread
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Just looking back at this thread it was posted on 4 March 2014 and was fairly active through to election time.

It's nearly June and there's hardly been a mention of the election this year which is only four months away?

Apathy or timing your run?


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Just looking back at this thread it was posted on 4 March 2014 and was fairly active through to election time.

It's nearly June and there's hardly been a mention of the election this year which is only four months away?

Apathy or timing your run?


I wonder if we're also seeing the effect of having John Key well out of the picture playing a part.

I also think there's an element of keeping powder dry.


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A bit like our local council. Spend money like it's going out of fashion, get us up to our neck in debt then propose a 'financial strategy' to get us through this period of high debt. plum! :x


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kiweez wrote:
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Just looking back at this thread it was posted on 4 March 2014 and was fairly active through to election time.

It's nearly June and there's hardly been a mention of the election this year which is only four months away?

Apathy or timing your run?


I wonder if we're also seeing the effect of having John Key well out of the picture playing a part.

I also think there's an element of keeping powder dry.


Very much so. Timing is everything. Look at the US presidential election.


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 Post subject: Re: NZ Politics Thread
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Is this guy worse than Trump and that lady Kelly something??? :lol: :lol: :lol:

How the hell do these arseholes keep getting elected?

http://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/ ... risis.html

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Associate Housing Minister Aflred Ngaro has refused to provide examples of how the media had manufactured the housing crisis, or to apologise for the claim.

The Minister made the comments in a previous speech to a National party conference, but Mr Ngaro on Tuesday could not provide one example of how the media had created the crisis.

He also said: "We have to push back against some of the media."

Three's The Nation broke the story about people sleeping in cars as the housing crisis hit Auckland, Mr Ngaro would not comment on whether that was an example of the media manufacturing a story.

"I apologise for the words I have said, they were ill considered" Mr Ngaro said. "The words were wrong."

When asked if that was an apology to the media he replied: "It's an apology to all those people who I've affected."

"My comments and what I've said have let down the team, have let down the caucus and the Cabinet."

In the same speech, Mr Ngaro hinted that Labour list candidate Willie Jackson could lose support for his interest in a charter school if he criticised the National party.

He said his speech was "out of character" and he's glad to have the support of his colleagues and Prime Minister Bill English.

"I'm very privileged to able to have the trust and confidence of the Prime Minister," he said.


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Didn't even put up the price of ciggies , you would almost think he hasn't done this before


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Didn't even put up the price of ciggies , you would almost think he hasn't done this before

Doesn't that go up automatically, leading to a Dairy Robbery Crisis? IMO they need to shift tobacco sales into specialist shops that sell the product and associated stuff - pipes, rolly things, and so on. What might we call such?

Re the budget, solid centre left, business as usual for the '08 incarnation of National, Labour left opposing for the sake of opposing again.


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Loving Mediaworks coverage .. if it had been a Labour budget they would have trumpeted this as the "Budget for the people "

As its National they led the news with "Election year bribe "

Dont get me started on the Stupid Auckland show (the project)

As for the budget ..meh definitely the only Labour budget delivered in the last 10 years or so .


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Yay - landlords can put up the rents now as Accommodation Supplement and WFF has gone up. (Still they had no option as tax cuts on there own look too top heavy to Nat Supporters.

I still say we need to put a HUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUGE effort into youth to get the little shits (and I mean some of the trouble makers) off the streets and into work or (feckit - jail with compulsory training will do) something.

We are going to have a labour shortage in a few years and too many youngsters are unemployable.


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Yay - landlords can put up the rents now as Accommodation Supplement and WFF has gone up. (Still they had no option as tax cuts on there own look too top heavy to Nat Supporters.

I still say we need to put a HUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUGE effort into youth to get the little shits (and I mean some of the trouble makers) off the streets and into work or (feckit - jail with compulsory training will do) something.

We are going to have a labour shortage in a few years and too many youngsters are unemployable.



We have a Labour shortage now in real New Zealand , we cannot get anyone to work in our Tourist Aqua or Agri culture industries .
So we import them from overseas .
Which is great , at least they want to work .


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Yay - landlords can put up the rents now as Accommodation Supplement and WFF has gone up. (Still they had no option as tax cuts on there own look too top heavy to Nat Supporters.

I still say we need to put a HUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUGE effort into youth to get the little shits (and I mean some of the trouble makers) off the streets and into work or (feckit - jail with compulsory training will do) something.

We are going to have a labour shortage in a few years and too many youngsters are unemployable.


Only Nat supporters earn $52k or more? :?

Agree with the rest of your post re youth. :thumbup:


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As another aside, how fvcking "creepy uncle" like is Mr Joyce ?


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Loving Mediaworks coverage .. if it had been a Labour budget they would have trumpeted this as the "Budget for the people "

As its National they led the news with "Election year bribe "

Dont get me started on the Stupid Auckland show (the project)

As for the budget ..meh definitely the only Labour budget delivered in the last 10 years or so .


That's all that twat Patrick Gower ever has to say. fudge he's an idiot with a face for radio.

Can't stand the prick.


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As another aside, how fvcking "creepy uncle" like is Mr Joyce ?


He's awesome
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As another aside, how fvcking "creepy uncle" like is Mr Joyce ?


He's awesome
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Yay - landlords can put up the rents now as Accommodation Supplement and WFF has gone up. (Still they had no option as tax cuts on there own look too top heavy to Nat Supporters.

I still say we need to put a HUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUGE effort into youth to get the little shits (and I mean some of the trouble makers) off the streets and into work or (feckit - jail with compulsory training will do) something.

We are going to have a labour shortage in a few years and too many youngsters are unemployable.


Ah, the NEET group.


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As another aside, how fvcking "creepy uncle" like is Mr Joyce ?


He's awesome
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:lol:
Surprised he didn't open his mouth when he saw it coming.


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Ponytail puller to get a knighthood tomorrow. A lesser deserved one I'm struggling to think of.


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Ponytail puller to get a knighthood tomorrow. A lesser deserved one I'm struggling to think of.



Roger Douglas ?

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Arise Sir John...

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/93326903/former-pm-john-key-tops-queens-birthday-honours-with-knighthood-for-services-to-the-state

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Congratulation Sir John, and also to Sir Iceman.


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Congratulation Sir John, and also to Sir Iceman.


Sir Ice deserves his seperate thread. I'd hate him to be associated with some of the postings/ers in this one.


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booji boy wrote:
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As another aside, how fvcking "creepy uncle" like is Mr Joyce ?


He's awesome
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:lol:
Surprised he didn't open his mouth when he saw it coming.

Really? Why's that?


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I thought reverting to homophobic insults was reserved to bigots and rednecks (i.e. The Right)?


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