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Re: NZ Politics Thread

Posted: Wed Jul 11, 2018 10:32 am
by grouch
Seneca of the Night wrote:Rudman is an ignorant idiot.
No argument on that , but he does a good job of dishing up the slops that the Auckland Establishment want the oiks to think.

Re: NZ Politics Thread

Posted: Wed Jul 11, 2018 10:43 am
by kiap
Enzedder wrote:
Of course with one-half of the act, Canadian Lauren Southern now banned from entering Australia by the Department of Home Affairs and Immigration, the issue is hypothetical.
Not any more

https://www.news.com.au/finance/busines ... db47d901d0

Re: NZ Politics Thread

Posted: Wed Jul 11, 2018 1:26 pm
by Kahu
Luckily nobody gives a flying fk about what a Woman's Day editor thinks.

This is such a stupid issue taking away from valuable nurse bashing time.

Re: NZ Politics Thread

Posted: Wed Jul 11, 2018 2:14 pm
by eugenius
Seneca of the Night wrote:What does the first amendment have to do with new Zealand? I suspect the truth is we don't really know what free speech means in new Zealand.

The wizard used to say stuff on feminism in the town square in Christchurch that would get him into all sorts of hot water today.

What utter nonsense , the feminist back in the 70’s were far more rabid !

Ian was never silenced.

Let alone he was still speaking such quite recently .

Just how wilfully out of touch are you ffs ?

Re: NZ Politics Thread

Posted: Wed Jul 11, 2018 2:31 pm
by koroke hangareka
Yeah he just copped a bit of stick from the bible lady, bopped her with his plastic hammer and all was well. If he got up in the Square and spoke again today much the same thing would happen.

Re: NZ Politics Thread

Posted: Thu Jul 12, 2018 12:26 pm
by Wilderbeast
Seneca of the Night wrote:Farrar is really really pissed with the spinoff:

https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2018/07/the_ ... again.html

I don't think I've ever seen him angry.
He rarely enters fights he won’t win. Farrar is very intelligent and very careful and taking on the spinoff likely means the spinoff f**ked up proper.

It’s a pity, the spinoff started well but they’re getting far too pleased with themselves these days and printing all kinds of bollocks.

Re: NZ Politics Thread

Posted: Thu Jul 12, 2018 9:44 pm
by deadduck
I feel like they're the NZ version of Buzzfeed News

Re: NZ Politics Thread

Posted: Thu Jul 12, 2018 10:03 pm
by Jay Cee Gee
Wilderbeast wrote:
Seneca of the Night wrote:Farrar is really really pissed with the spinoff:

https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2018/07/the_ ... again.html

I don't think I've ever seen him angry.
He rarely enters fights he won’t win. Farrar is very intelligent and very careful and taking on the spinoff likely means the spinoff f**ked up proper.
A bit dramatic, I think.

Re: NZ Politics Thread

Posted: Fri Jul 13, 2018 1:36 am
by deadduck
I see Twyford announced today he's going to spend the next 15 years knocking down state houses in Mangere and increasing the density 3-fold before selling two thirds of them to private hands.

When National did this they were accused of ransacking NZ's housing assets, pretty sure it was Twyford who said it.

Re: NZ Politics Thread

Posted: Fri Jul 13, 2018 1:59 am
by Wilderbeast
Jay Cee Gee wrote:
Wilderbeast wrote:
Seneca of the Night wrote:Farrar is really really pissed with the spinoff:

https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2018/07/the_ ... again.html

I don't think I've ever seen him angry.
He rarely enters fights he won’t win. Farrar is very intelligent and very careful and taking on the spinoff likely means the spinoff f**ked up proper.
A bit dramatic, I think.
How so?

Re: NZ Politics Thread

Posted: Fri Jul 13, 2018 7:34 am
by Santa
I've never had cause to look at the Spinoff before this. It is predictably bad.

Re: NZ Politics Thread

Posted: Fri Jul 13, 2018 7:54 am
by Enzedder
I note the country is still proceeding sweetly despite Winston peters being at the helm - to a deafening silence from the right.

Where is the unholy mess that he was going to lead us into, my right wing friends?

Re: NZ Politics Thread

Posted: Fri Jul 13, 2018 7:58 am
by Santa
Enzedder wrote:I note the country is still proceeding sweetly despite Winston peters being at the helm - to a deafening silence from the right.

Where is the unholy mess that he was going to lead us into, my right wing friends?
It's probably going better than when Ardern was in place.

Re: NZ Politics Thread

Posted: Fri Jul 13, 2018 8:00 am
by Wilderbeast
Santa wrote:I've never had cause to look at the Spinoff before this. It is predictably bad.
It started well, but has certainly jumped the shark.

Re: NZ Politics Thread

Posted: Fri Jul 13, 2018 8:46 am
by Tehui
Enzedder wrote:I note the country is still proceeding sweetly despite Winston peters being at the helm - to a deafening silence from the right.

Where is the unholy mess that he was going to lead us into, my right wing friends?
Give them time. They're being patient.
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Re: NZ Politics Thread

Posted: Fri Jul 13, 2018 10:04 am
by Enzedder
Seneca of the Night wrote:
Santa wrote:
Enzedder wrote:I note the country is still proceeding sweetly despite Winston peters being at the helm - to a deafening silence from the right.

Where is the unholy mess that he was going to lead us into, my right wing friends?
It's probably going better than when Ardern was in place.
Helluva straw man from Enzedder there. Winston has more of a clue than Cindy even half cut.
So why were all the Nats supporter going off at him before he even started? That was my point - no straw men involved at all.

Re: NZ Politics Thread

Posted: Fri Jul 13, 2018 12:49 pm
by grouch
Enzedder wrote:I note the country is still proceeding sweetly despite Winston peters being at the helm - to a deafening silence from the right.

Where is the unholy mess that he was going to lead us into, my right wing friends?
:thumbup:

Re: NZ Politics Thread

Posted: Fri Jul 13, 2018 1:30 pm
by Thai guy
Winston with the help of ministers has the nut jobs eating out of his hand.

His high profile media comments as acting prime minister have been designed to keep the righties quiet. 'Disappointed with nurses', 'let the white supremacists speak', 'referendum on Maori seats', 'I hate fake beef, so should you'.

So too the announcements, P-8s, R&D investment in Taranaki, defence strategy paper.

He's even got Farrar praising him which is a pheromone-like signal to the entire right wing in NZ to approve also. They can't help themselves.

Re: NZ Politics Thread

Posted: Fri Jul 13, 2018 9:45 pm
by booji boy
Seneca of the Night wrote:
Thai guy wrote:Winston with the help of ministers has the nut jobs eating out of his hand.

His high profile media comments as acting prime minister have been designed to keep the righties quiet. 'Disappointed with nurses', 'let the white supremacists speak', 'referendum on Maori seats', 'I hate fake beef, so should you'.

So too the announcements, P-8s, R&D investment in Taranaki, defence strategy paper.

He's even got Farrar praising him which is a pheromone-like signal to the entire right wing in NZ to approve also. They can't help themselves.
Anyone would think Winston is a Conservative. Its baffling.
:lol:

Re: NZ Politics Thread

Posted: Fri Jul 13, 2018 11:31 pm
by Fat Old Git
Sadly for many it seems that where politics is concerned the most important result is to ensure your "side" is upsetting the other "side".

Not the best recipe for a bright future.

Re: NZ Politics Thread

Posted: Sat Jul 14, 2018 1:33 am
by Tehui
Thai guy wrote: His high profile media comments as acting prime minister have been designed to keep the righties quiet. 'Disappointed with nurses', 'let the white supremacists speak', 'referendum on Maori seats', 'I hate fake beef, so should you'.
:lol: :lol:

Re: NZ Politics Thread

Posted: Sat Jul 14, 2018 2:34 am
by Enzedder
Fat Old Git wrote:Sadly for many it seems that where politics is concerned the most important result is to ensure your "side" is upsetting the other "side".

Not the best recipe for a bright future.
Agree. Perhaps we could have a constitution that bans political parties

Re: NZ Politics Thread

Posted: Sat Jul 14, 2018 2:57 am
by Kahu
Enzedder wrote:
Fat Old Git wrote:Sadly for many it seems that where politics is concerned the most important result is to ensure your "side" is upsetting the other "side".

Not the best recipe for a bright future.
Agree. Perhaps we could have a constitution that bans political parties
+1

A parliament made up solely of electorate MPs sounds good to me

Re: NZ Politics Thread

Posted: Sat Jul 14, 2018 3:02 am
by Tehui
Kahu wrote:
Enzedder wrote:
Fat Old Git wrote:Sadly for many it seems that where politics is concerned the most important result is to ensure your "side" is upsetting the other "side".

Not the best recipe for a bright future.
Agree. Perhaps we could have a constitution that bans political parties
+1

A parliament made up solely of electorate MPs sounds good to me
Sounds good. Other than the part where you need a majority of votes in the legislature to make laws.

Re: NZ Politics Thread

Posted: Sat Jul 14, 2018 3:04 am
by Kahu
Tehui wrote:
Sounds good. Other than the part where you need a majority of votes in the legislature to make laws.
How would it be any different to conscience votes?

Re: NZ Politics Thread

Posted: Sat Jul 14, 2018 3:10 am
by Enzedder
Tehui wrote:
Kahu wrote:
Enzedder wrote:
Fat Old Git wrote:Sadly for many it seems that where politics is concerned the most important result is to ensure your "side" is upsetting the other "side".

Not the best recipe for a bright future.
Agree. Perhaps we could have a constitution that bans political parties
+1

A parliament made up solely of electorate MPs sounds good to me
Sounds good. Other than the part where you need a majority of votes in the legislature to make laws.
If the laws aren't good enough to make it to a majority based on quality, then fudge 'em. We may end up with less laws.

Re: NZ Politics Thread

Posted: Sat Jul 14, 2018 3:21 am
by Tehui
Kahu wrote:
Tehui wrote:
Sounds good. Other than the part where you need a majority of votes in the legislature to make laws.
How would it be any different to conscience votes?
Conscience votes are one off events though. People would inevitably form alliances and factions to get their projects over the line, which is the primary reason why political parties came into existence.

Re: NZ Politics Thread

Posted: Sat Jul 14, 2018 3:29 am
by Kahu
Tehui wrote:
Kahu wrote:
Tehui wrote:
Sounds good. Other than the part where you need a majority of votes in the legislature to make laws.
How would it be any different to conscience votes?
Conscience votes are one off events though. People would inevitably form alliances and factions to get their projects over the line, which is the primary reason why political parties came into existence.
what like having the free will of voluntarily co-operating to achieve a shared vision without being bound by the constraints of toeing a party line?

Re: NZ Politics Thread

Posted: Sat Jul 14, 2018 4:04 am
by Fat Old Git
The problem is that every 3 years we ask who would like to run the country. Then instead of locking away those who put their hand up in a padded cell somewhere with the treatment they clearly need available, we actually elect some of them to run the country.

Madness!

Re: NZ Politics Thread

Posted: Sat Jul 14, 2018 4:20 am
by Tehui
Kahu wrote:
Tehui wrote:
Kahu wrote:
Tehui wrote:
Sounds good. Other than the part where you need a majority of votes in the legislature to make laws.
How would it be any different to conscience votes?
Conscience votes are one off events though. People would inevitably form alliances and factions to get their projects over the line, which is the primary reason why political parties came into existence.
what like having the free will of voluntarily co-operating to achieve a shared vision without being bound by the constraints of toeing a party line?
Why hasn't nobody else thought of this?!

Re: NZ Politics Thread

Posted: Sat Jul 14, 2018 5:00 am
by Enzedder
Only problem is that we'll have to get rid of the politicians and horse traders to make it work. And they are the only bastards that want the job.

Re: NZ Politics Thread

Posted: Sat Jul 14, 2018 5:18 am
by Tehui
guy smiley wrote:
Tehui wrote: Why hasn't nobody else thought of this?!

Well, nobody isn't a real person dude.
Somebody meant to say anybody instead of nobody.

Re: NZ Politics Thread

Posted: Sat Jul 14, 2018 6:55 am
by AD345
Enzedder wrote:
Tehui wrote:
Kahu wrote:
Enzedder wrote:
Agree. Perhaps we could have a constitution that bans political parties
+1

A parliament made up solely of electorate MPs sounds good to me
Sounds good. Other than the part where you need a majority of votes in the legislature to make laws.
If the laws aren't good enough to make it to a majority based on quality, then fudge 'em. We may end up with less laws.
Auckland Uber Alles

Re: NZ Politics Thread

Posted: Sat Jul 14, 2018 8:37 am
by Fat Old Git
So, it seems the plan to enter Pike River is going to cost quite a lot of money. Is there more to this than body recovery?
The plan could cost $12 million more than the budgeted $23 million, Stuff reports.
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zeal ... ected.html

Re: NZ Politics Thread

Posted: Sat Jul 14, 2018 8:44 am
by JB1981
It will be interesting to see the detail once they look into the concept plans for re-entry. Without knowing much about re-entry is developing concept plans a significant step forward or just ideas on paper with their realism still to be tested?

Re: NZ Politics Thread

Posted: Sat Jul 14, 2018 8:53 am
by Fat Old Git
Is there more to it than body recovery though? Are they intending to reopen the mine or something? Because it seems like a lot of money to spend otherwise. Especially if it's likely to put further lives at risk.

Re: NZ Politics Thread

Posted: Sat Jul 14, 2018 8:58 am
by JB1981
Surely they wouldn't re-open the mine. I think they have said so much that they are now all in no matter the cost for recovery. Re-establishing a working mine could be a PR disaster, not to mention the Greens are presumably anti-coal if their opinion carries any weight - although it doesn't appear to with the news of an offshore mining permit being granted in the middle of a dolphin sanctuary.

Re: NZ Politics Thread

Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2018 6:29 am
by Jay Cee Gee
Wilderbeast wrote:
Jay Cee Gee wrote:
Wilderbeast wrote:
Seneca of the Night wrote:Farrar is really really pissed with the spinoff:

https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2018/07/the_ ... again.html

I don't think I've ever seen him angry.
He rarely enters fights he won’t win. Farrar is very intelligent and very careful and taking on the spinoff likely means the spinoff f**ked up proper.
A bit dramatic, I think.
How so?
Cause the stakes are so low? Even if everything he says is true (and I've no reason to doubt it's not), what are the consequences for the Spinoff? Nothing, it's not a defamation matter.

Re: NZ Politics Thread

Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2018 7:04 am
by Dark
They aren't going into the actual mine where the bodies or evidence is.

The plan and all this money is to do get in the drift up to the rock fall.

I just hope Labour have actually explained this to the families.

As most media haven't seemed to understand and keep saying mind reentry to get evidence.

I predict a lot of disappointed people when they actually do it

Re: NZ Politics Thread

Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2018 7:57 am
by deadduck
$35 million is getting excessive. Even $23 million is excessive. People complained about the cost of the flag referendum, the public utility of this is even less. I don't mean to be callous here, but surely there comes a point where continuing to pander to the families is unhealthy for their grief process.