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Re: NZ Politics Thread

Posted: Wed Sep 26, 2018 12:59 pm
by Ted.
fudge it, not worth the bother.

Re: NZ Politics Thread

Posted: Wed Sep 26, 2018 8:49 pm
by kiweez
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/107405 ... -explosion

I'm not sold on this. I saw the footage and the first thing that struck me was how soon (fractions of seconds) after the conveyor belt "movement" you see the blast and debris. If that movement was the conveyor belt being started, and assuming that caused a spark that ignited the blast....surely there must have been a bigger gap between the two? Didn't the second blast happen kilometers into the mine? I know blast waves travel fast....but that fast? I am more likely to believe that conveyor belt movement was caused by the blast, not the cause of the blast.

Re: NZ Politics Thread

Posted: Wed Sep 26, 2018 10:12 pm
by kiwinoz
More importantly, whats little Neve up to today? Will she take part in street theatre in Times Square? Accidentally of course.

Re: NZ Politics Thread

Posted: Thu Sep 27, 2018 5:19 am
by Auckman
Dunno but NZ has the most presentable Prime Minister in the world. 8)

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Re: NZ Politics Thread

Posted: Thu Sep 27, 2018 5:36 am
by UncleFB
kiwinoz wrote:More importantly, whats little Neve up to today? Will she take part in street theatre in Times Square? Accidentally of course.
One of my Aussie mates sent me a story about her (from some random website) with her baby pass to the UN and how some Japanese delegates walked in on her mid nappy change.

Re: NZ Politics Thread

Posted: Thu Sep 27, 2018 5:36 am
by Sonny Blount
Tehui wrote:
TheDocForgotHisLogon wrote:
Tehui wrote:
Wilderbeast wrote:Danyl McLaughlin on Bridges recent comments on meth eviction compensation

https://thespinoff.co.nz/politics/25-09 ... s-remarks/

One of NZ’s best political commentator imo.
I'll probably see Danyl at a school reunion in a month's time.
He's very good - he's actually capable of balance unlike say Stephen Mills on National Radio on a Monday.
Being balanced is a good quality to have.

Anytime I think about Danyl, I remember him for two things. He was the other quiet dude at the back of the English class. And he was on a six figure salary in his early 20s. Hopefully he hasn't turned arrogant.

Danyl is garbage weak as a political commentator. Dim Post used to be funny back in the day though.

Re: NZ Politics Thread

Posted: Thu Sep 27, 2018 7:36 am
by Santa
And while little Neve was out there negotiating trade deals..
However, yesterday the PM found herself having to fend off accusations she had misled Parliament over her own communications with Handley, Finance Minister Grant Robertson was forced to correct his answer in Parliament over emails between Handley and Curran, and new Digital Services Minister Megan Woods was clearly forced to finally call Handley to apologise for the “impact this has had on him and his family”. She also had to retract her statement there had been a confidentiality agreement with Handley over his financial settlement
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/arti ... d=12131405

And we find out that Whaitiri went the biff over a missed photo op.

So proud to be a kiwi.

Re: NZ Politics Thread

Posted: Thu Sep 27, 2018 7:39 am
by UncleFB
Seneca of the Night wrote:
UncleFB wrote:
kiwinoz wrote:More importantly, whats little Neve up to today? Will she take part in street theatre in Times Square? Accidentally of course.
One of my Aussie mates sent me a story about her (from some random website) with her baby pass to the UN and how some Japanese delegates walked in on her mid nappy change.
That makes me so proud.
You're going to love this part then - I asked her the name of the website she saw it on, it's called 'womensagenda.com.au'.

Re: NZ Politics Thread

Posted: Thu Sep 27, 2018 7:40 am
by booji boy
Santa wrote:And while little Neve was out there negotiating trade deals..
However, yesterday the PM found herself having to fend off accusations she had misled Parliament over her own communications with Handley, Finance Minister Grant Robertson was forced to correct his answer in Parliament over emails between Handley and Curran, and new Digital Services Minister Megan Woods was clearly forced to finally call Handley to apologise for the “impact this has had on him and his family”. She also had to retract her statement there had been a confidentiality agreement with Handley over his financial settlement
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/arti ... d=12131405

And we find out that Whaitiri went the biff over a missed photo op.

So proud to be a kiwi.
Yeah isn't that pathetic. I always find the fawning lackies hanging around their dear leader during interviews (from both sides) the most pathetic spectacle.

Re: NZ Politics Thread

Posted: Thu Sep 27, 2018 7:42 am
by UncleFB
booji boy wrote:
Santa wrote:And while little Neve was out there negotiating trade deals..
However, yesterday the PM found herself having to fend off accusations she had misled Parliament over her own communications with Handley, Finance Minister Grant Robertson was forced to correct his answer in Parliament over emails between Handley and Curran, and new Digital Services Minister Megan Woods was clearly forced to finally call Handley to apologise for the “impact this has had on him and his family”. She also had to retract her statement there had been a confidentiality agreement with Handley over his financial settlement
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/arti ... d=12131405

And we find out that Whaitiri went the biff over a missed photo op.

So proud to be a kiwi.
Yeah isn't that pathetic. I always find the fawning lackies hanging around their dear leader during interviews (from both sides) the most pathetic spectacle.
It got Bridges to the leadership of the Nats so clearly it has some success.

Re: NZ Politics Thread

Posted: Thu Sep 27, 2018 8:09 am
by Wilderbeast
booji boy wrote:
Santa wrote:And while little Neve was out there negotiating trade deals..
However, yesterday the PM found herself having to fend off accusations she had misled Parliament over her own communications with Handley, Finance Minister Grant Robertson was forced to correct his answer in Parliament over emails between Handley and Curran, and new Digital Services Minister Megan Woods was clearly forced to finally call Handley to apologise for the “impact this has had on him and his family”. She also had to retract her statement there had been a confidentiality agreement with Handley over his financial settlement
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/arti ... d=12131405

And we find out that Whaitiri went the biff over a missed photo op.

So proud to be a kiwi.
Yeah isn't that pathetic. I always find the fawning lackies hanging around their dear leader during interviews (from both sides) the most pathetic spectacle.
I can see the argument. It was Meka’s electorate so she should be visible and can understand why she was a bit miffed. This is in no way an excuse though.

The Māori MP’s standing by her need a talking to and whichever one said these issues are best sorted out in private should get a stiff upper cut and a boot out the door.

Re: NZ Politics Thread

Posted: Thu Sep 27, 2018 8:15 am
by booji boy
UncleFB wrote:
booji boy wrote:
Santa wrote:And while little Neve was out there negotiating trade deals..
However, yesterday the PM found herself having to fend off accusations she had misled Parliament over her own communications with Handley, Finance Minister Grant Robertson was forced to correct his answer in Parliament over emails between Handley and Curran, and new Digital Services Minister Megan Woods was clearly forced to finally call Handley to apologise for the “impact this has had on him and his family”. She also had to retract her statement there had been a confidentiality agreement with Handley over his financial settlement
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/arti ... d=12131405

And we find out that Whaitiri went the biff over a missed photo op.

So proud to be a kiwi.
Yeah isn't that pathetic. I always find the fawning lackies hanging around their dear leader during interviews (from both sides) the most pathetic spectacle.
It got Bridges to the leadership of the Nats so clearly it has some success.
Not like he was voted in by the viewing public though is it. I doubt the National caucus is influenced by these photo ops.

Re: NZ Politics Thread

Posted: Thu Sep 27, 2018 8:20 am
by UncleFB
booji boy wrote:
UncleFB wrote:
booji boy wrote:
Santa wrote:And while little Neve was out there negotiating trade deals..
However, yesterday the PM found herself having to fend off accusations she had misled Parliament over her own communications with Handley, Finance Minister Grant Robertson was forced to correct his answer in Parliament over emails between Handley and Curran, and new Digital Services Minister Megan Woods was clearly forced to finally call Handley to apologise for the “impact this has had on him and his family”. She also had to retract her statement there had been a confidentiality agreement with Handley over his financial settlement
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/arti ... d=12131405

And we find out that Whaitiri went the biff over a missed photo op.

So proud to be a kiwi.
Yeah isn't that pathetic. I always find the fawning lackies hanging around their dear leader during interviews (from both sides) the most pathetic spectacle.
It got Bridges to the leadership of the Nats so clearly it has some success.
Not like he was voted in by the viewing public though is it. I doubt the National caucus is influenced by these photo ops.
I think it might have raised his profile enough, he was seen as john's boy, for the caucus to think he could do the job.

Re: NZ Politics Thread

Posted: Thu Sep 27, 2018 8:22 am
by UncleFB
Wilderbeast wrote:
booji boy wrote:
Santa wrote:And while little Neve was out there negotiating trade deals..
However, yesterday the PM found herself having to fend off accusations she had misled Parliament over her own communications with Handley, Finance Minister Grant Robertson was forced to correct his answer in Parliament over emails between Handley and Curran, and new Digital Services Minister Megan Woods was clearly forced to finally call Handley to apologise for the “impact this has had on him and his family”. She also had to retract her statement there had been a confidentiality agreement with Handley over his financial settlement
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/arti ... d=12131405

And we find out that Whaitiri went the biff over a missed photo op.

So proud to be a kiwi.
Yeah isn't that pathetic. I always find the fawning lackies hanging around their dear leader during interviews (from both sides) the most pathetic spectacle.
I can see the argument. It was Meka’s electorate so she should be visible and can understand why she was a bit miffed. This is in no way an excuse though.

The Māori MP’s standing by her need a talking to and whichever one said these issues are best sorted out in private should get a stiff upper cut and a boot out the door.
Sounds like it's a bit of he said she said with no one seeing the altercation take place ... which may be why they're hesitant to throw Whaitiri to the wolves.

Re: NZ Politics Thread

Posted: Thu Sep 27, 2018 8:34 am
by Wilderbeast
Photos of bruising on the arm? There was enough there for Ardern.

Re: NZ Politics Thread

Posted: Thu Sep 27, 2018 8:43 am
by booji boy
Wilderbeast wrote:
booji boy wrote:
Santa wrote:And while little Neve was out there negotiating trade deals..
However, yesterday the PM found herself having to fend off accusations she had misled Parliament over her own communications with Handley, Finance Minister Grant Robertson was forced to correct his answer in Parliament over emails between Handley and Curran, and new Digital Services Minister Megan Woods was clearly forced to finally call Handley to apologise for the “impact this has had on him and his family”. She also had to retract her statement there had been a confidentiality agreement with Handley over his financial settlement
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/arti ... d=12131405

And we find out that Whaitiri went the biff over a missed photo op.

So proud to be a kiwi.
Yeah isn't that pathetic. I always find the fawning lackies hanging around their dear leader during interviews (from both sides) the most pathetic spectacle.
I can see the argument. It was Meka’s electorate so she should be visible and can understand why she was a bit miffed. This is in no way an excuse though.

The Māori MP’s standing by her need a talking to and whichever one said these issues are best sorted out in private should get a stiff upper cut and a boot out the door.
Oh right I see. Yeah agreed but as you say, still no excuse for the alleged behavior.

Re: NZ Politics Thread

Posted: Thu Sep 27, 2018 8:45 am
by booji boy
UncleFB wrote:Sounds like it's a bit of he said she said with no one seeing the altercation take place ... which may be why they're hesitant to throw Whaitiri to the wolves.
The bruising on the arm begs to differ.

Re: NZ Politics Thread

Posted: Thu Sep 27, 2018 8:52 am
by UncleFB
booji boy wrote:
UncleFB wrote:Sounds like it's a bit of he said she said with no one seeing the altercation take place ... which may be why they're hesitant to throw Whaitiri to the wolves.
The bruising on the arm begs to differ.
I didn't know there was 'evidence' of bruising on the arm - hasn't been in any of the articles I read.

Re: NZ Politics Thread

Posted: Thu Sep 27, 2018 8:53 am
by Wilderbeast
UncleFB wrote:
booji boy wrote:
UncleFB wrote:Sounds like it's a bit of he said she said with no one seeing the altercation take place ... which may be why they're hesitant to throw Whaitiri to the wolves.
The bruising on the arm begs to differ.
I didn't know there was 'evidence' of bruising on the arm - hasn't been in any of the articles I read.
The report that went to Ardern was leaked to the press. They didn't post the pictures but stated they were included.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/arti ... d=12132379

Re: NZ Politics Thread

Posted: Thu Sep 27, 2018 9:17 am
by kiweez
guy smiley wrote:
Wilderbeast wrote:
UncleFB wrote:
booji boy wrote:
UncleFB wrote:Sounds like it's a bit of he said she said with no one seeing the altercation take place ... which may be why they're hesitant to throw Whaitiri to the wolves.
The bruising on the arm begs to differ.
I didn't know there was 'evidence' of bruising on the arm - hasn't been in any of the articles I read.
The report that went to Ardern was leaked to the press. They didn't post the pictures but stated they were included.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/arti ... d=12132379
FFS...
The incident involving former Government minister Meka Whaitiri and a staff member allegedly left bruising to the upper right arm of the staffer and photos of bruises were produced to the inquiry, a draft report leaked to the Herald shows.
A leaked draft, alleging...

yup. That's some conclusive shit there.
.... .. .. .

Re: NZ Politics Thread

Posted: Thu Sep 27, 2018 9:54 am
by Auckman
Seneca of the Night wrote:
Santa wrote:And while little Neve was out there negotiating trade deals..
However, yesterday the PM found herself having to fend off accusations she had misled Parliament over her own communications with Handley, Finance Minister Grant Robertson was forced to correct his answer in Parliament over emails between Handley and Curran, and new Digital Services Minister Megan Woods was clearly forced to finally call Handley to apologise for the “impact this has had on him and his family”. She also had to retract her statement there had been a confidentiality agreement with Handley over his financial settlement
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/arti ... d=12131405

And we find out that Whaitiri went the biff over a missed photo op.

So proud to be a kiwi.
The Handley thing is interesting. Sure he's a bit of a dick, but the hysterical reaction of a cluster of wankers and tech bro arseholes to him getting the job was pathetic and shows what a small insular community can be like at its worst. As usual the biggest fckwit in new Zealand Russell brown was in the thick of it. Now they've had to abandon the position completely!! Win win.
Yeah. Seems to be a bit of a waste of talent for an expat who has done well overseas wanting to come back and give something back to his country.

Re: NZ Politics Thread

Posted: Thu Sep 27, 2018 10:00 am
by deadduck
The reason the NZ tech industry complained so much about his appointment was that Handley has no tech credibility, and he was appointed after the govt rejected dozens of other apparently more qualified candidates.

Handley is a professional blagger, a man who made a living selling products no one really needs. He may have been a moderately successful tech entrepreneur but that was a decade ago which in tech is ancient history. How he managed to convince Curran he was the man for the job only god knows

Re: NZ Politics Thread

Posted: Thu Sep 27, 2018 10:03 am
by Auckman
Wilderbeast wrote:
The Māori MP’s standing by her need a talking to and whichever one said these issues are best sorted out in private should get a stiff upper cut and a boot out the door.
They are probably positioning for the 2020 election. They know the Maori party would use their "lack of spine" against them to take votes off them.

Heard speculation Whaitiri may face a preselection challenge in I-R for 2020. That would be a big mana-slap to the face if that happened.

Re: NZ Politics Thread

Posted: Thu Sep 27, 2018 10:42 am
by deadduck
Speaking to a number of different tech luminaries, most of whom asked that their quotes not be attributed to them due to the tight-knit nature of the community, there was an overwhelming sense of bemusement at his apparently imminent appointment.

“I feel a little bit sorry for Derek,” wrote one. “He has been a tireless self-promoter for so many years, and obviously really wants the job.

“But, I’m pretty confident that he would take much more from the job than he would contribute. And that’s not what we need.”

“None of us really consider him a technologist,” said another. “He didn’t invent new ad formats – Google and Facebook did that. He just sold them.”

Seem legit to me

Re: NZ Politics Thread

Posted: Thu Sep 27, 2018 10:51 am
by Wilderbeast
I'm with the duck. I've heard him described as something of a promoter and salesman but lacking chops in the real meat of the business. Someone like that who can talk the talk would likely appeal to people who don't know better (Curran).

Re: NZ Politics Thread

Posted: Thu Sep 27, 2018 6:39 pm
by booji boy
guy smiley wrote:
booji boy wrote:
UncleFB wrote:Sounds like it's a bit of he said she said with no one seeing the altercation take place ... which may be why they're hesitant to throw Whaitiri to the wolves.
The bruising on the arm begs to differ.
Why, what does that prove?
Erm let's see.

A staffer alleges that she was physically grabbed, pulled outside and verbally abused. She has bruising on her arm consistent with the allegation.

Re: NZ Politics Thread

Posted: Thu Sep 27, 2018 6:41 pm
by booji boy
guy smiley wrote:
Wilderbeast wrote:
UncleFB wrote:
booji boy wrote:
UncleFB wrote:Sounds like it's a bit of he said she said with no one seeing the altercation take place ... which may be why they're hesitant to throw Whaitiri to the wolves.
The bruising on the arm begs to differ.
I didn't know there was 'evidence' of bruising on the arm - hasn't been in any of the articles I read.
The report that went to Ardern was leaked to the press. They didn't post the pictures but stated they were included.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/arti ... d=12132379
FFS...
The incident involving former Government minister Meka Whaitiri and a staff member allegedly left bruising to the upper right arm of the staffer and photos of bruises were produced to the inquiry, a draft report leaked to the Herald shows.
A leaked draft, alleging...

yup. That's some conclusive shit there.
You might want to ask Jacinda why on earth she stood her minister down then, based on such flimsy evidence.

Re: NZ Politics Thread

Posted: Fri Sep 28, 2018 7:49 am
by Santa
NZ set to move down the World Electoral Freedom Index after Waka Jumping Bill. Hopefully little Neve can get in front of this.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/arti ... d=12132264

Re: NZ Politics Thread

Posted: Fri Sep 28, 2018 9:15 am
by Dark
Seneca of the Night wrote:Willie Jackson on Facebook:
Let's just take a pause from all the angry politics and allow the joy of Jacinda, Clarke and beautiful wee Neve at the UN to wash over us and feel pride at our leader and us as a people.

"We must not be silent in the face of intolerance, hate and discrimination. We must speak for those who do not have voice", when Jacinda spoke these words at the UN General Assembly during the Nelson Mandela Peace Summit, while Clarke held Neve, she not only channeled a new type of leadership based on kindness and compassion, she challenged every stereotype that has locked women and men into the career or family trap. They showed everyone that with support, people can have family and career.

She has also shown the planet that leadership doesn't require brutal tough guy masculinity, there can be an equally strong leadership through simple kindness. She has done more for our international standing in one appearance than many Prime Ministers manage in a lifetime. We should all feel a deep pride in the way Jacinda, Clarke and Neve have shone and represented us on the global stage. Their humble grace reminds us all of our basic humanity. There is a joy in all of this and we should all drink deeply from it, this is a moment where we are all included and have all been served wonderfully by our Prime Minister and her family.

We can get back to arguing and bickering about politics tomorrow, but today was truly special.
https://www.facebook.com/WillieJacksonL ... 1bwCQxWXiw
Is this Jackson who is currently backing abusive bosses, celebrating Ardern doing her speech saying she will never celebrate NZ womens achievements while foreign women still suffer prejudice, when a week ago she celebrated Suffrage 125 in front of many media lenses?

Re: NZ Politics Thread

Posted: Fri Sep 28, 2018 9:15 am
by Santa
Seneca of the Night wrote:Willie Jackson on Facebook:
Let's just take a pause from all the angry politics and allow the joy of Jacinda, Clarke and beautiful wee Neve at the UN to wash over us and feel pride at our leader and us as a people.

"We must not be silent in the face of intolerance, hate and discrimination. We must speak for those who do not have voice", when Jacinda spoke these words at the UN General Assembly during the Nelson Mandela Peace Summit, while Clarke held Neve, she not only channeled a new type of leadership based on kindness and compassion, she challenged every stereotype that has locked women and men into the career or family trap. They showed everyone that with support, people can have family and career.

She has also shown the planet that leadership doesn't require brutal tough guy masculinity, there can be an equally strong leadership through simple kindness. She has done more for our international standing in one appearance than many Prime Ministers manage in a lifetime. We should all feel a deep pride in the way Jacinda, Clarke and Neve have shone and represented us on the global stage. Their humble grace reminds us all of our basic humanity. There is a joy in all of this and we should all drink deeply from it, this is a moment where we are all included and have all been served wonderfully by our Prime Minister and her family.

We can get back to arguing and bickering about politics tomorrow, but today was truly special.
https://www.facebook.com/WillieJacksonL ... 1bwCQxWXiw
Little Neve is the world's most powerful and morally good baby. I is so proud.

Re: NZ Politics Thread

Posted: Fri Sep 28, 2018 9:53 am
by Tehui
I swear to god this is a true story.

I was working in Whangarei yesterday (it was my first time visiting there), when I was approached by a Maori guy in his 70s. He smiled at me and asked where I was from. I told him I live in Wellington. He said that I looked familiar. I replied that my younger brother used to live in Kerikeri, but I hope he's not the reason why I look familiar and that we all have one in the family, etc. He replied that his name is Ian Peters, and that he has a similar brother who works in Wellington!

Re: NZ Politics Thread

Posted: Fri Sep 28, 2018 10:13 am
by Gordon Bennett
:roll:

Re: NZ Politics Thread

Posted: Fri Sep 28, 2018 10:34 am
by Tehui
Jacinda's communications team have taken a leaf out of Jon Kee's books. It's working like a charm.

Re: NZ Politics Thread

Posted: Fri Sep 28, 2018 10:37 am
by booji boy
Tehui wrote:Jacinda's communications team have taken a leaf out of Jon Kee's books. It's working like a charm.
How so?

Re: NZ Politics Thread

Posted: Fri Sep 28, 2018 11:11 am
by deadduck
Yeah for all the criticism Key got about cultivating the John Key personality cult, she's doing pretty much the same thing

Re: NZ Politics Thread

Posted: Fri Sep 28, 2018 11:29 am
by deadduck
I guess we should have known it would all go this way when one of her first acts as PM was to pose for Vogue

Re: NZ Politics Thread

Posted: Fri Sep 28, 2018 11:32 am
by deadduck
He'd been PM for almost 6 years by the time that came out, not 6 weeks

Re: NZ Politics Thread

Posted: Fri Sep 28, 2018 12:30 pm
by BillW
guy smiley wrote:The shrieking butthurt over a baby and a woman speaking for the country is sweet music to my ears.

Can't wait to move back and join the party.
She made such beautiful speeches.
Almost as good a a Miss Universe candidate.

Re: NZ Politics Thread

Posted: Fri Sep 28, 2018 12:44 pm
by eugenius
Oh dear ...

Re: NZ Politics Thread

Posted: Fri Sep 28, 2018 1:05 pm
by Santa
I think its the underlying vacuity that Guy finds most compelling. It's a kindred spirit thing.