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Re: NZ Politics Thread

Posted: Sat Sep 29, 2018 7:25 am
by booji boy
UncleFB wrote:
booji boy wrote:
UncleFB wrote: My dislike of the cult of personality of Key doesn’t come close to your constant whining about her. And I always gave credit to Key for his cult of personality ... despite the fact in any given sentence he’d almost mangle as many words as Ian Jones.
MY constant whining about her? :lol:
I cant be blamed if I can't tell the difference between you, deaduck, SeN, BillW and Santa.
You mean all of them have Nonu avatars too! :shock:

Re: NZ Politics Thread

Posted: Sat Sep 29, 2018 7:41 am
by Santa
Dark wrote:
Tehui wrote:Hearing whinging from daffodils about JA makes my nipples hard.

Let's do this.
Any chance of the doing it starting with sorting her bullying MP and shifty "Open and Transparent" MP issues
Hon CLARE CURRAN: Thank you, Mr Speaker. My priority is that this will be the most open, most transparent Government that New Zealand has ever had. We will do this in several ways, including requiring proactive disclosure of some official information, as I said at NetHui recently in Auckland; improving Government capability and performance in relation to the Official Information Act; and deepening the Government's commitment to the Open Government Partnership.
https://www.parliament.nz/en/pb/hansard ... r-official

:lol: :lol:

Re: NZ Politics Thread

Posted: Sat Sep 29, 2018 7:43 am
by JB1981
Santa wrote:
Dark wrote:
Tehui wrote:Hearing whinging from daffodils about JA makes my nipples hard.

Let's do this.
Any chance of the doing it starting with sorting her bullying MP and shifty "Open and Transparent" MP issues
Hon CLARE CURRAN: Thank you, Mr Speaker. My priority is that this will be the most open, most transparent Government that New Zealand has ever had. We will do this in several ways, including requiring proactive disclosure of some official information, as I said at NetHui recently in Auckland; improving Government capability and performance in relation to the Official Information Act; and deepening the Government's commitment to the Open Government Partnership.
https://www.parliament.nz/en/pb/hansard ... r-official

:lol: :lol:
You wouldn't believe the number of "off the record" conversations needed to finalise that statement.

Re: NZ Politics Thread

Posted: Sat Sep 29, 2018 7:47 am
by Santa

Re: NZ Politics Thread

Posted: Sat Sep 29, 2018 8:46 am
by Dark
Santa wrote:Another absolute gusher :lol:

https://www.stuff.co.nz/world/americas/ ... ay-to-lead

It is a bit Martin Luther King meets Elizabeth I

Re: NZ Politics Thread

Posted: Sat Sep 29, 2018 12:53 pm
by eugenius
deadduck wrote:
Auckman wrote:Meh, "cut-through" for want of better words. Cutting through all the other hubbub of world leaders there for the US media to start dubbing her the "anti-Trump" positions NZ's free trade agenda and climate change positions very well.

Before getting too carried away with this sort of thing you need to be a bit of a realist about it.

The USA's point of reference is Donald Trump

Jacinda Ardern is a functionally attractive woman in her mid-30s who has the added novelty of a young baby and is reasonably charismatic . She could have mimicked the policies of Robert Mugabe and still got the same media attention as long as she did it with a smile because the media go ga-ga over personas like hers.
Goodness me that’s stupid and disingenuous.

To attempt to trivialise the celebration of a relatively articulate and accessible ideology so presented only denies the huge numbers waiting for exactly such a presentation .

Re: NZ Politics Thread

Posted: Sat Sep 29, 2018 12:55 pm
by eugenius
Dark wrote:
Auckman wrote:
maxbox wrote:Jacinda breaking out the te reo in front of the UN general assembly was particularly cringe inducing (seeing as she like 80 percent of the country is not fluent or even conversant)
Par for the course for any NZ PM at the UN these days innit? John Key did a shorter mihi when he went to the UN I seem to remember.

Yeah he did
E nga mana
E nga reo
E nga hau e wha
Tena koutou, tena koutou, tena koutou katoa

To the powers
To the voices
To the four winds
I greet you all

Mr President; Distinguished representatives of the States of the United Nations; Mr Secretary General...............
Ardern's problem following the Key template is everything she tries to do Key has already done and frankly did a lot better.


(with the exception of the US chat show fluff interviews)


John who ?

Re: NZ Politics Thread

Posted: Sat Sep 29, 2018 12:57 pm
by eugenius
Fat Old Git wrote:So, we've had a new government for about a year now. Has anyone noticed a significant chance in the country? Because life feels pretty much the same ti me.

Not one of your better efforts mate .

Re: NZ Politics Thread

Posted: Sun Sep 30, 2018 3:05 am
by deadduck
Why is Phil Twyford building Kiwibuild homes in Wanaka? I thought he's supposed to be solving the housing crisis not subsidising middle class white kids.

Re: NZ Politics Thread

Posted: Sun Sep 30, 2018 3:11 am
by grouch
eugenius wrote:
Dark wrote:
Auckman wrote:
maxbox wrote:Jacinda breaking out the te reo in front of the UN general assembly was particularly cringe inducing (seeing as she like 80 percent of the country is not fluent or even conversant)
Par for the course for any NZ PM at the UN these days innit? John Key did a shorter mihi when he went to the UN I seem to remember.

Yeah he did
E nga mana
E nga reo
E nga hau e wha
Tena koutou, tena koutou, tena koutou katoa

To the powers
To the voices
To the four winds
I greet you all

Mr President; Distinguished representatives of the States of the United Nations; Mr Secretary General...............
Ardern's problem following the Key template is everything she tries to do Key has already done and frankly did a lot better.


(with the exception of the US chat show fluff interviews)


John who ?
you remember , the thief with the speech impediment.

Re: NZ Politics Thread

Posted: Sun Sep 30, 2018 3:23 am
by grouch
booji boy wrote:
Fat Old Git wrote:So, we've had a new government for about a year now. Has anyone noticed a significant chance in the country? Because life feels pretty much the same ti me.
Yeah agreed. Depends what tax changes they bring in in their second term. That might hit some in the pocket. Also petrol prices in Auckland have gone up about 15 cents a litre. That's gotta hurt if you're doing a lot of miles. And if you were employed in the gas and oil industry in Taranaki I'd say life would be pretty different.
They've gone up that much everywhere.

because
The Oil price in $USD has risen

The exchange rate has dropped Kiwi/USD because , the government is no longer borrowing to the extent that gnats were to fund the deficit of their tax cuts.

Yes there is a levy on auckland fuel to supposedly fund the total upf**k that intra urban transport has become because of unrestrained immigration and total lack of planning for a 21st century city.

It's not gonna be that popular with the locals and could have a big bearing the next election.

This coalition probably won't do anywhere near enough to fix 9 years of total trashing of our society by the drongos that inhabit the gnats but at least they will do something..

As it ever was though, Gnats take us backwards at varying speeds , Labour/Coalition changes shit and we move forward.

Re: NZ Politics Thread

Posted: Sun Sep 30, 2018 3:39 am
by Tehui
grouch wrote: Yes there is a levy on auckland fuel to supposedly fund the total upf**k that intra urban transport has become because of unrestrained immigration and total lack of planning for a 21st century city.
NZ must surely be the worst country at doing any sort of long-term planning. Everything NZ does is a series piecemeal changes and widgets, without a long-term blueprint of creating infrastructure; sequencing things in the correct order; and ensuring that all our polices (such as immigration) are aligned to the kaupapa.

I remember watching an interview of one of Melbourne's leaders who was receiving praise for Melbourne receiving international awards for being the best city, etc. He replied that you have to thank Melbourne's leaders from many generations ago who had the foresight to undertake long term planning.

Rant over.

Re: NZ Politics Thread

Posted: Sun Sep 30, 2018 4:04 am
by Fat Old Git
eugenius wrote:
Fat Old Git wrote:So, we've had a new government for about a year now. Has anyone noticed a significant chance in the country? Because life feels pretty much the same ti me.

Not one of your better efforts mate .
I think you might be reading more into a simple question than is actually there.

Re: NZ Politics Thread

Posted: Sun Sep 30, 2018 4:06 am
by eugenius
Maybe .

Re: NZ Politics Thread

Posted: Sun Sep 30, 2018 4:22 am
by eugenius
grouch wrote:
eugenius wrote:
Dark wrote:
Auckman wrote:
maxbox wrote:Jacinda breaking out the te reo in front of the UN general assembly was particularly cringe inducing (seeing as she like 80 percent of the country is not fluent or even conversant)
Par for the course for any NZ PM at the UN these days innit? John Key did a shorter mihi when he went to the UN I seem to remember.

Yeah he did
E nga mana
E nga reo
E nga hau e wha
Tena koutou, tena koutou, tena koutou katoa

To the powers
To the voices
To the four winds
I greet you all

Mr President; Distinguished representatives of the States of the United Nations; Mr Secretary General...............
Ardern's problem following the Key template is everything she tries to do Key has already done and frankly did a lot better.


(with the exception of the US chat show fluff interviews)


John who ?
you remember , the thief with the speech impediment.

Ohhhhhh you mean the US’s and Wall Streets no 1 bum boy ?

The miniature paper Tiger of international diplomacy?

No one did it better .

Re: NZ Politics Thread

Posted: Sun Sep 30, 2018 5:39 am
by douche_chill
maxbox wrote:Jacinda breaking out the te reo in front of the UN general assembly was particularly cringe inducing (seeing as she like 80 percent of the country is not fluent or even conversant)
x( Do people still think like this? Move to Australia, or the 50s.

Re: NZ Politics Thread

Posted: Sun Sep 30, 2018 6:13 am
by booji boy
See Unclefb this is why I like John Key. He's been gone two years but the leftie snowflakes on here are still having a name calling, whiny sook about him. :lol:

By way of comparison I love Jacinda. ;)

Re: NZ Politics Thread

Posted: Sun Sep 30, 2018 6:43 am
by booji boy
grouch wrote:
booji boy wrote:
Fat Old Git wrote:So, we've had a new government for about a year now. Has anyone noticed a significant chance in the country? Because life feels pretty much the same ti me.
Yeah agreed. Depends what tax changes they bring in in their second term. That might hit some in the pocket. Also petrol prices in Auckland have gone up about 15 cents a litre. That's gotta hurt if you're doing a lot of miles. And if you were employed in the gas and oil industry in Taranaki I'd say life would be pretty different.
They've gone up that much everywhere.

because
The Oil price in $USD has risen

The exchange rate has dropped Kiwi/USD because , the government is no longer borrowing to the extent that gnats were to fund the deficit of their tax cuts.

Yes there is a levy on auckland fuel to supposedly fund the total upf**k that intra urban transport has become because of unrestrained immigration and total lack of planning for a 21st century city.

It's not gonna be that popular with the locals and could have a big bearing the next election.

This coalition probably won't do anywhere near enough to fix 9 years of total trashing of our society by the drongos that inhabit the gnats but at least they will do something..

As it ever was though, Gnats take us backwards at varying speeds , Labour/Coalition changes shit and we move forward.
So the Auckland regional fuel tax of 11.5 cents per litre and the additional 3.5 cents nationwide fuel tax is due to high oil prices and a weaker NZD. Right. :roll:

Re: NZ Politics Thread

Posted: Sun Sep 30, 2018 6:57 am
by JB1981
In a move set to redefine irony, Winston Peters has spoken out and labelled National jealous and bitter.

Re: NZ Politics Thread

Posted: Sun Sep 30, 2018 7:17 am
by booji boy
JB1981 wrote:In a move set to redefine irony, Winston Peters has spoken out and labelled National jealous and bitter.
And I imagine this NZ First bill will be anathema to Jacinda and her policies of openness, inclusiveness and tolerance .

NZ First plans law change to make migrants, refugees 'respect New Zealand values'


https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/arti ... d=12134425

Re: NZ Politics Thread

Posted: Sun Sep 30, 2018 7:19 am
by Fat Old Git
I paid $2.41 for 91 octane last week here in Christchurch. My Auckland colleagues were complaining that the regional fuel tax had pushed there petrol up to $2.35 the week before. Needless to say I wasn't as sympathetic as they might have expected.

Re: NZ Politics Thread

Posted: Sun Sep 30, 2018 7:21 am
by UncleFB
douche_chill wrote:
maxbox wrote:Jacinda breaking out the te reo in front of the UN general assembly was particularly cringe inducing (seeing as she like 80 percent of the country is not fluent or even conversant)
x( Do people still think like this? Move to Australia, or the 50s.
:lol: You're quite witty when you're not fluffing bizzle all the time.
booji boy wrote:See Unclefb this is why I like John Key. He's been gone two years but the leftie snowflakes on here are still having a name calling, whiny sook about him. :lol:

By way of comparison I love Jacinda. ;)
:lol: Also, we all know that SeN will be whining on here about her at least two years after she finishes as PM too.

Re: NZ Politics Thread

Posted: Sun Sep 30, 2018 7:26 am
by Santa
booji boy wrote:
JB1981 wrote:In a move set to redefine irony, Winston Peters has spoken out and labelled National jealous and bitter.
And I imagine this NZ First bill will be anathema to Jacinda and her policies of openness, inclusiveness and tolerance .

NZ First plans law change to make migrants, refugees 'respect New Zealand values'


https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/arti ... d=12134425
Yeah I think her We Too policy of universal sexual abuse is a bit on the nose.

Re: NZ Politics Thread

Posted: Sun Sep 30, 2018 7:39 am
by JB1981
Santa wrote:
booji boy wrote:
JB1981 wrote:In a move set to redefine irony, Winston Peters has spoken out and labelled National jealous and bitter.
And I imagine this NZ First bill will be anathema to Jacinda and her policies of openness, inclusiveness and tolerance .

NZ First plans law change to make migrants, refugees 'respect New Zealand values'


https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/arti ... d=12134425
Yeah I think her We Too policy of universal sexual abuse is a bit on the nose.
If it comes to that, I will be quite happy if mine is just a bit on the nose.

Re: NZ Politics Thread

Posted: Sun Sep 30, 2018 9:01 am
by eugenius
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Re: NZ Politics Thread

Posted: Sun Sep 30, 2018 9:01 am
by eugenius
booji boy wrote:See Unclefb this is why I like John Key. He's been gone two years but the leftie snowflakes on here are still having a name calling, whiny sook about him. :lol:

By way of comparison I love Jacinda. ;)

Hey it is what it is .

Certainly one can’t question his application to the task .

Re: NZ Politics Thread

Posted: Sun Sep 30, 2018 10:01 am
by eugenius
It’s posturing for his somewhat confused but loyal base .

It’ll be more watered down than the Rheineck at an 80’s orientation.

Re: NZ Politics Thread

Posted: Sun Sep 30, 2018 12:00 pm
by Wilderbeast
Remarkably accurate Sen :thumbup:

Re: NZ Politics Thread

Posted: Sun Sep 30, 2018 7:28 pm
by AD345
Seneca of the Night wrote:We might be seeing more of this story:

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/arti ... ref=NZH_Tw
I bet not

Re: NZ Politics Thread

Posted: Sun Sep 30, 2018 7:37 pm
by booji boy
Seneca of the Night wrote:We might be seeing more of this story:

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/arti ... ref=NZH_Tw
Tbf any old staffer could snap shots of frumpy old Helen or nerdy John. For the glamour shots and photo spreads Jacinda wants to promote her personal political brand she needs professionals.

Re: NZ Politics Thread

Posted: Sun Sep 30, 2018 7:53 pm
by eugenius
Seneca of the Night wrote:We might be seeing more of this story:

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/arti ... ref=NZH_Tw

Doubt it very much .

Swing and a miss there Sen.

Re: NZ Politics Thread

Posted: Sun Sep 30, 2018 8:10 pm
by eugenius
Wilderbeast wrote:Remarkably accurate Sen :thumbup:

Bollocks , I know several NZmembers and there is a large range of opinions and intensity on things immigration. Their voting base are admittedly slightly less ranged . This pitch ( and only potential policy ) is for the minority of the minority.

It’s a nonsense that Labour wants open borders , they have linked unfettered immigration to the housing crisis as well as overseas non resident purchases.

The Greens are wishy washy.

But the Nats are extremely pro immigration as it led directly to many of their ‘rock star’ economic positives.

Certainly so was Key.

Their links to big overseas interests are often very personal , case in point Judith Collins her husband and tax - payer funded junkets to check out and promote their interests .

Need I mention Jenny Shipley who is also tit deep in Chinese milk connections .

Re: NZ Politics Thread

Posted: Sun Sep 30, 2018 8:35 pm
by eugenius
booji boy wrote:
Seneca of the Night wrote:We might be seeing more of this story:

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/arti ... ref=NZH_Tw
Tbf any old staffer could snap shots of frumpy old Helen or nerdy John. For the glamour shots and photo spreads Jacinda wants to promote her personal political brand she needs professionals.

Please Keys first action as National leader was to engage the best PR company down under .

He was as polished and calculating an image monger as we have ever seen in this country’s political history .

Talk about re-writing history Trev.

Re: NZ Politics Thread

Posted: Sun Sep 30, 2018 8:37 pm
by eugenius
Seneca of the Night wrote:
eugenius wrote:
Wilderbeast wrote:Remarkably accurate Sen :thumbup:

Bollocks , I know several NZmembers and there is a large range of opinions and intensity on things immigration. Their voting base are admittedly slightly less ranged . This pitch ( and only potential policy ) is for the minority of the minority.

It’s a nonsense that Labour wants open borders , they have linked unfettered immigration to the housing crisis as well as overseas non resident purchases.

The Greens are wishy washy.

But the Nats are extremely pro immigration as it led directly to many of their ‘rock star’ economic positives.

Certainly so was Key.

Their links to big overseas interests are often very personal , case in point Judith Collins her husband and tax - payer funded junkets to check out and promote their interests .

Need I mention Jenny Shipley who is also tit deep in Chinese milk connections .
So what you're saying Eug is that you agree with me. :lol:

Obviously in regards to the NZ first party no I don’t .

As for the Nats let alone John Key who you seem to have a personal crush on ?

Perhaps .

But then I’m not the one that appears conflicted here .

Re: NZ Politics Thread

Posted: Mon Oct 01, 2018 2:32 am
by booji boy
eugenius wrote:
booji boy wrote:
Seneca of the Night wrote:We might be seeing more of this story:

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/arti ... ref=NZH_Tw
Tbf any old staffer could snap shots of frumpy old Helen or nerdy John. For the glamour shots and photo spreads Jacinda wants to promote her personal political brand she needs professionals.

Please Keys first action as National leader was to engage the best PR company down under .

He was as polished and calculating an image monger as we have ever seen in this country’s political history .

Talk about re-writing history Trev.
Jacinda Ardern hired an advertising agency to photograph and film her New York trip.

In the past, New Zealand Prime Ministers have had a staffer from their offices take photos, but Ardern had a crew of three from agency Augusto's New York office.

They have been used on social media and Ardern told the Herald on Sunday some would also be used for campaign purposes.
Let me know which part of the quote in bold you don't understand?

Re: NZ Politics Thread

Posted: Mon Oct 01, 2018 2:48 am
by eugenius
Please ...

Re: NZ Politics Thread

Posted: Mon Oct 01, 2018 3:09 am
by booji boy
eugenius wrote:Please ...
please
verb
1.
cause to feel happy and satisfied.
"he arranged a fishing trip to please his son"
synonyms: nice, agreeable, pleasant, pleasurable, satisfying, gratifying, welcome, good, acceptable, to one's liking, enjoyable, entertaining, amusing, delightful, fine; informallovely
"a very pleasing day"
2.
take only one's own wishes into consideration in deciding how to act or proceed.
"this is the first time in ages that I can just please myself"

Re: NZ Politics Thread

Posted: Mon Oct 01, 2018 3:13 am
by deadduck
Seem's like she's breaking the rules if she uses her Leader's budget to fund Labour's campaign advertising? Same sort of thing Helen Clark got into trouble for with those pledge cards. Labour got a warning from the NZ Police after that fiasco and the auditor-general found that Labour had mispent $768,000 of taxpayer's funds.
Then Labour retrospectively legalised their spending to get away with not paying it back and nullify a lawsuit brought against them by the Libertarianz

Pretty dodgy shenanigans if you ask me. Jacinda should be careful not to repeat the same mistakes, as the carryon from Clark around this issue really put the nails in the coffin of her government.

Re: NZ Politics Thread

Posted: Mon Oct 01, 2018 3:40 am
by deadduck
Wow, so the story gets even juicier

Turns out the advertising agency Labour paid with taxpayer funds is a previous donor to the Labour party and likely to donate again. That's heading into the area of unethical spending

Re: NZ Politics Thread

Posted: Mon Oct 01, 2018 3:55 am
by UncleFB
Seneca of the Night wrote:
eugenius wrote:It’s posturing for his somewhat confused but loyal base .

It’ll be more watered down than the Rheineck at an 80’s orientation.
That's where you are wrong. The only crowd who have got their heads screwed on (with the semi-exception of one other group*) on the immigration thing are the NZ First crowd. The equation is simple for them, if you want to come, in small numbers, fine, but fit in or fck off no exceptions. Simple.

The others:

1/ Greens - they want to be for open borders, which is part of their larger political ecological system, but the sheer overpowering awesomeness and uniqueness of New Zealand's nature and environment holds them back from advocating any sort of real population increase - see Golly's very lukewarm comments on this proposal. EDIT: point being Golly is in private almost certainly adamantly opposed to this kind of NZ First thing.

2/ Labour - like the Greens, they desperately want to open the borders to all and sundry to show how wonderfully virtuous they are, but they can't get their heads around the poor and the current housing crisis etc. And a few remaining union guys of the Corbyn sort do know the obvious relationship between immigration and wages.

3/ The Nats, oh boy are they confused. The only thing they don't want is for anyone to call them racist. So they just keep their heads down on it like the European conservatives. In the meantime it gives an excuse for the more grafting and grifting among them to indulge their hypocrisy and make money from immigration, even if they'd rather there wasn't too many of them. On this issue they are worse than useless; they are the offenders in chief.

So that leaves this small party able to dictate much of the debate. And this is a blessing from heaven for New Zealand of almost miraculous beneficence, given what I've seen has happened to north-west Europe, and how the American political system is essentially melting down over its inability to handle its immigration issues.

* the other key group is of course Maori, who are inherently quite conservative, and having started to stake out a pretty good situation in New Zealand are buggered if they're going to allow anyone to make the same mistake for them twice. Another gift from God in this issue that will save New Zealand from the globalists.
:shock: Do you know any Maori that weren't on the Maori Council pre-1987?