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PostPosted: Fri May 25, 2018 7:46 am 
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Who would be top of the Government's "Dear God what are they going to say/do next" list? The early contenders must be Twyford, Curran and Shane Jones but are there any other contenders?



Reminds of Gerry the Fat Controller refusing to go thru airport Security, Billy English rorting accommodation benefits and Paula Benefit revealing client benefit details and John pulling hair. and having cups of tea It evens out eh?


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Who would be top of the Government's "Dear God what are they going to say/do next" list? The early contenders must be Twyford, Curran and Shane Jones but are there any other contenders?



Reminds of Gerry the Fat Controller refusing to go thru airport Security, Billy English rorting accommodation benefits and Paula Benefit revealing client benefit details and John pulling hair. and having cups of tea It evens out eh?

Yeah. It does make good entertainment seeing them pull each other up on things though. Phil Twyford's calls for harsher action on Gerry Brownlie's security breach gave his onboard phone call a bit of humourous irony.


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JB1981 wrote:
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Who would be top of the Government's "Dear God what are they going to say/do next" list? The early contenders must be Twyford, Curran and Shane Jones but are there any other contenders?



Reminds of Gerry the Fat Controller refusing to go thru airport Security, Billy English rorting accommodation benefits and Paula Benefit revealing client benefit details and John pulling hair. and having cups of tea It evens out eh?

Yeah. It does make good entertainment seeing them pull each other up on things though. Phil Twyford's calls for harsher action on Gerry Brownlie's security breach gave his onboard phone call a bit of humourous irony.


It is a bit tit for tit, isn't it.


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Who would be top of the Government's "Dear God what are they going to say/do next" list? The early contenders must be Twyford, Curran and Shane Jones but are there any other contenders?



Reminds of Gerry the Fat Controller refusing to go thru airport Security, Billy English rorting accommodation benefits and Paula Benefit revealing client benefit details and John pulling hair. and having cups of tea It evens out eh?

Yeah. It does make good entertainment seeing them pull each other up on things though. Phil Twyford's calls for harsher action on Gerry Brownlie's security breach gave his onboard phone call a bit of humourous irony.


It is a bit tit for tit, isn't it.


Tat. Tit for tat.


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 Post subject: Re: NZ Politics Thread
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Not in this case - they're all tits.


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Which is a shame. Surely we were hoping for an improvement in government but so far it seems to be more of the same. Be it real effective policy or acting like a tit.

Edit. Auto correct does not like tit.


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Not in this case - they're all tits.


Both. Both tits.


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Which is a shame. Surely we were hoping for an improvement in government but so far it seems to be more of the same. Be it real effective policy or acting like a rut.


I suppose you believe in Santa Claus and the tooth fairy too?


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Hope and belief are two different things. I hope to win the big one when I but a lotto ticket as well. But don't really believe I will.


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Hope and belief are two different things. I hope to win the big one when I but a lotto ticket as well. But don't really believe I will.


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 Post subject: Re: NZ Politics Thread
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Twyford does have a massive job on his hands trying to fix the destruction by the National government. Particularly as they'll continue to sabotage large scale house building because it might affect their voters' property portfolios.



You sir are a loon .. but it appears you are our loon so don’t change


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 Post subject: Re: NZ Politics Thread
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Tell you what. There is something very fishy about the people at the centre of the MCB disaster.

Wilma and Aad Van Leeuwen.
Alfons and Gea Zeestraten.
and now Henk Smit.

All Dutch immigrants?

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/farming/104008639/waikato-farmer-reveals-his-farm-first-in-the-region-to-get-mycoplasma-bovis-cattle-disease

Seems like a closed group and you have to wonder if the stuff they were importing is the source. I hope the authorities find out.



One has a home detention bracelet .... it’s a thing in dairy circles


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 Post subject: Re: NZ Politics Thread
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Fat Old Git wrote:
Which is a shame. Surely we were hoping for an improvement in government but so far it seems to be more of the same. Be it real effective policy or acting like a tit.

Edit. Auto correct does not like tit.


I agree, in a lot of the key areas its simply been more of the same and I can't see that changing for either National or Labour for years. Sure, they've redirect funding into different priorities but I'm talking the politics side of things here. They've been just as difficult on transparency as National were, which is my biggest disappointment.

I think Jacinda has been a pleasant surprise though. My worries over her being found out in a position way above her head look a bit unfounded. She comes across as incredibly genuine, which is a very powerful thing in politics. John Key managed it too, though it was slipping towards the end (and he knew it).


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She comes across as incredibly genuine, which is a very powerful thing in politics. John Key managed it too, though it was slipping towards the end (and he knew it).


She does... and I agree about Key but I think there's an effect of being in power for more than term where the genuine element becomes hard to maintain within a party machine.


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Tell you what. There is something very fishy about the people at the centre of the MCB disaster.

Wilma and Aad Van Leeuwen.
Alfons and Gea Zeestraten.
and now Henk Smit.

All Dutch immigrants?

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/farming/104008639/waikato-farmer-reveals-his-farm-first-in-the-region-to-get-mycoplasma-bovis-cattle-disease

Seems like a closed group and you have to wonder if the stuff they were importing is the source. I hope the authorities find out.

Occam's razor says they fucked up but nothing suspicious, however if this affects milk prices then you could easily draw a straight line to a motivation.


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Hareaway wrote:
Thai guy wrote:
Tell you what. There is something very fishy about the people at the centre of the MCB disaster.

Wilma and Aad Van Leeuwen.
Alfons and Gea Zeestraten.
and now Henk Smit.

All Dutch immigrants?

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/farming/104008639/waikato-farmer-reveals-his-farm-first-in-the-region-to-get-mycoplasma-bovis-cattle-disease

Seems like a closed group and you have to wonder if the stuff they were importing is the source. I hope the authorities find out.



One has a home detention bracelet .... it’s a thing in dairy circles

Does it extend to the whole farm? :shock:


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 Post subject: Re: NZ Politics Thread
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Hareaway wrote:
Thai guy wrote:
Tell you what. There is something very fishy about the people at the centre of the MCB disaster.

Wilma and Aad Van Leeuwen.
Alfons and Gea Zeestraten.
and now Henk Smit.

All Dutch immigrants?

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/farming/104008639/waikato-farmer-reveals-his-farm-first-in-the-region-to-get-mycoplasma-bovis-cattle-disease

Seems like a closed group and you have to wonder if the stuff they were importing is the source. I hope the authorities find out.



One has a home detention bracelet .... it’s a thing in dairy circles

Does it extend to the whole farm? :shock:


No unfortunately

Apparently and this is just gossip but the Zeestratens had a concrete cow statue outside the “home” farm , it has had its head smashed off .

Hard for people in the city to understand just how devastating this is for the people involved .
Some will never recover and the mental pressure must be immense.
A few will lose their entire life .. savings income and home..
Unfortunately I can see the already shocking rural suicide rates increasing.
There is no easy fix and pointing fingers fixes nothing .
This is our “mad cow” moment and the worst is still to come.
I hope our government quickly puts mental health initiatives in place to help these people and especially the children who will be the forgotten ones .
Dark days are coming for our economy.


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Jesus... $880million at least and thousands of cattle culled. Holy crap.

This is one of those terrible, slow burn events where more and more are drawn into it.


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 Post subject: Re: NZ Politics Thread
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Hareaway wrote:
UncleFB wrote:
Hareaway wrote:
Thai guy wrote:
Tell you what. There is something very fishy about the people at the centre of the MCB disaster.

Wilma and Aad Van Leeuwen.
Alfons and Gea Zeestraten.
and now Henk Smit.

All Dutch immigrants?

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/farming/104008639/waikato-farmer-reveals-his-farm-first-in-the-region-to-get-mycoplasma-bovis-cattle-disease

Seems like a closed group and you have to wonder if the stuff they were importing is the source. I hope the authorities find out.



One has a home detention bracelet .... it’s a thing in dairy circles

Does it extend to the whole farm? :shock:


No unfortunately

Apparently and this is just gossip but the Zeestratens had a concrete cow statue outside the “home” farm , it has had its head smashed off .

Hard for people in the city to understand just how devastating this is for the people involved .
Some will never recover and the mental pressure must be immense.
A few will lose their entire life .. savings income and home..
Unfortunately I can see the already shocking rural suicide rates increasing.
There is no easy fix and pointing fingers fixes nothing .
This is our “mad cow” moment and the worst is still to come.
I hope our government quickly puts mental health initiatives in place to help these people and especially the children who will be the forgotten ones .
Dark days are coming for our economy.


Christ. This sounds serious. Keep us informed, I suspect you're ahead of what we will read in the media.


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Sounds awful. I was in the UK in 2001 at the height of the Foot & Mouth outbreak. I shudder to think how much livestock was destroyed in that event and the impact that had on the farmers. In relative sounds, this livestock disease could have a similar impact.


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Hareaway wrote:
UncleFB wrote:
Hareaway wrote:
Thai guy wrote:
Tell you what. There is something very fishy about the people at the centre of the MCB disaster.

Wilma and Aad Van Leeuwen.
Alfons and Gea Zeestraten.
and now Henk Smit.

All Dutch immigrants?

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/farming/104008639/waikato-farmer-reveals-his-farm-first-in-the-region-to-get-mycoplasma-bovis-cattle-disease

Seems like a closed group and you have to wonder if the stuff they were importing is the source. I hope the authorities find out.



One has a home detention bracelet .... it’s a thing in dairy circles

Does it extend to the whole farm? :shock:


No unfortunately

Apparently and this is just gossip but the Zeestratens had a concrete cow statue outside the “home” farm , it has had its head smashed off .

Hard for people in the city to understand just how devastating this is for the people involved .
Some will never recover and the mental pressure must be immense.
A few will lose their entire life .. savings income and home..
Unfortunately I can see the already shocking rural suicide rates increasing.
There is no easy fix and pointing fingers fixes nothing .
This is our “mad cow” moment and the worst is still to come.
I hope our government quickly puts mental health initiatives in place to help these people and especially the children who will be the forgotten ones .
Dark days are coming for our economy.


I know some folks who,s farm bounds one of the above property's near Winton, they have worked damned hard for 35 years and recently put it on the market ,3 weeks later the bovis came to light next door,the agents have told them they are lookin at a 35% price reduction


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 Post subject: Re: NZ Politics Thread
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Should compensation be provided for those that fought and then neglected compliance?

More cooperate welfare for the happily ideological hypocritical I guess.

No surprises there .



In other news the three strikes law is soon gone .

Good job.


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In other news the three strikes law is soon gone .

Good job.

why is this good ?
there is currently a sick fcuk going before the courts who has beaten a person to the edge of their life , been convicted, then raped and murdered , convicted, now potentially done the same again ,wtf is wrong with locking the sick fcuk up forever?


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jono45 wrote:
eugenius wrote:

In other news the three strikes law is soon gone .

Good job.

why is this good ?
there is currently a sick fudge going before the courts has beaten a person to the edge of their life , been covicted, then raped and murdered , convicted, now potentially done the same again ,wtf is wrong with locking the sick fudge up forever?


It’s good because there is zero evidence it makes any difference.


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Wilderbeast wrote:
jono45 wrote:
eugenius wrote:

In other news the three strikes law is soon gone .

Good job.

why is this good ?
there is currently a sick fudge going before the courts has beaten a person to the edge of their life , been covicted, then raped and murdered , convicted, now potentially done the same again ,wtf is wrong with locking the sick fudge up forever?


It’s good because there is zero evidence it makes any difference.

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Is there evidence it does harm though?
To my knowledge the only person unreasonably affected by this had their sentence reduced when the judge used their discretion and common sense.

It seems like an ideologically driven change, much like the charter schools and the 90 day trial period

I think the general public are fairly ambivalent about these things


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Is there evidence it does harm though?
To my knowledge the only person unreasonably affected by this had their sentence reduced when the judge used their discretion and common sense.

It seems like an ideologically driven change, much like the charter schools and the 90 day trial period


It costs more to keep people in prison than out of prison. If that person were in the workforce it’s a double whammy.

Agree it’s more ideology than anything, but there is more justification in this instance than charter schools or 90 days imo.


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Yeah imagine locking someone up just because they've committed 3 serious, violent offenses? How harsh can you get?


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jono45 wrote:
Wilderbeast wrote:
jono45 wrote:
eugenius wrote:

In other news the three strikes law is soon gone .

Good job.

why is this good ?
there is currently a sick fudge going before the courts has beaten a person to the edge of their life , been covicted, then raped and murdered , convicted, now potentially done the same again ,wtf is wrong with locking the sick fudge up forever?


It’s good because there is zero evidence it makes any difference.

:lol:


You think otherwise?


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Is there evidence it does harm though?
To my knowledge the only person unreasonably affected by this had their sentence reduced when the judge used their discretion and common sense.

It seems like an ideologically driven change, much like the charter schools and the 90 day trial period


It costs more to keep people in prison than out of prison. If that person were in the workforce it’s a double whammy.

Agree it’s more ideology than anything, but there is more justification in this instance than charter schools or 90 days imo.


What about the social cost? How many crimes per year committed by reoffenders do you think we can accept as a society before the cost of keeping them in prison becomes justifiable?
Because the families of the victims of violent crime would no doubt say even one is one too many.


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deadduck wrote:
Wilderbeast wrote:
deadduck wrote:
Is there evidence it does harm though?
To my knowledge the only person unreasonably affected by this had their sentence reduced when the judge used their discretion and common sense.

It seems like an ideologically driven change, much like the charter schools and the 90 day trial period


It costs more to keep people in prison than out of prison. If that person were in the workforce it’s a double whammy.

Agree it’s more ideology than anything, but there is more justification in this instance than charter schools or 90 days imo.


What about the social cost? How many crimes per year committed by reoffenders do you think we can accept as a society before the cost of keeping them in prison becomes justifiable?
Because the families of the victims of violent crime would no doubt say even one is one too many.


I don’t see this as a trade off. I haven’t seen a shred of evidence to imply crime goes down as a result of this law. Otherwise I might agree with you. As it is we are stuck with overpopulated prisons and a desperate need for more space and a largely unaffected crime rate.


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deadduck wrote:
Wilderbeast wrote:
deadduck wrote:
Is there evidence it does harm though?
To my knowledge the only person unreasonably affected by this had their sentence reduced when the judge used their discretion and common sense.

It seems like an ideologically driven change, much like the charter schools and the 90 day trial period


It costs more to keep people in prison than out of prison. If that person were in the workforce it’s a double whammy.

Agree it’s more ideology than anything, but there is more justification in this instance than charter schools or 90 days imo.


What about the social cost? How many crimes per year committed by reoffenders do you think we can accept as a society before the cost of keeping them in prison becomes justifiable?
Because the families of the victims of violent crime would no doubt say even one is one too many.

i would say one is justifiable, i suppose the charter school hating unionist types would be outraged, money shouldn"t even be part of the equation, take some out of wffs if the purse is empty


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I don’t see this as a trade off. I haven’t seen a shred of evidence to imply crime goes down as a result of this law. Otherwise I might agree with you. As it is we are stuck with overpopulated prisons and a desperate need for more space and a largely unaffected crime rate.


Good grief.
It is self evident that when a repeat offender is locked up his criminal activity ceases
As for the cost of keeping violent murderers and rapists locked up?
That is an argument for capital punishment, not an argument for letting monsters loose on the streets.


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Babywatch. Any day now. :D


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Thai guy wrote:
Babywatch. Any day now. :D

I misread that as:

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Thai guy, you are clearly a massive fan but please refrain from making comparisons between the PM and the woman in the middle :thumbup:.

I'm guessing the lady on the left specialised in shallow water rescues.


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Wilderbeast wrote:
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In other news the three strikes law is soon gone .

Good job.

why is this good ?
there is currently a sick fudge going before the courts has beaten a person to the edge of their life , been covicted, then raped and murdered , convicted, now potentially done the same again ,wtf is wrong with locking the sick fudge up forever?


It’s good because there is zero evidence it makes any difference.


This particular piece of legislative crap paper had its genesis in the good ol' usa , where it props up the highest incarcerated population in the world and underwrites the bottom line of he Corrections Corporation of America , Serco etc etc.
http://www.correctionscorp.com/
Our rates of incarceration have increased dramatically since this was introduced along with major changes to the Bail laws and US style court processes that introduced 'plea bargaining" .

When all this is combined with our grossly outdated [and flawed since day 1] Drug laws then you have a system that turns the young and stupid into Crim School graduates in short order.

I've been pretty unimpressed with the coalition performance so far , but the fascists at head office may just regret rolling Andrew Little , he seems to be on a mission to sort out some of the major garbage introduced by Key/Collins.

Kia kaha Andrew , go hard.


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JB1981 wrote:
Thai guy wrote:
Babywatch. Any day now. :D

I misread that as:

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Thai guy, you are clearly a massive fan but please refrain from making comparisons between the PM and the woman in the middle :thumbup:.

I'm guessing the lady on the left specialised in shallow water rescues.


That picture led me to look up what Nicole Eggert (Summer Quinn) on the far left is up to now. That reminded me that she was on Charles in Charge with Scott Baio. That led me to discover #ScottBaiotoo.


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JB1981 wrote:
Thai guy wrote:
Babywatch. Any day now. :D

I misread that as:

Image

Thai guy, you are clearly a massive fan but please refrain from making comparisons between the PM and the woman in the middle :thumbup:.

I'm guessing the lady on the left specialised in shallow water rescues.


That picture led me to look up what Nicole Eggert (Summer Quinn) on the far left is up to now. That reminded me that she was on Charles in Charge with Scott Baio. That led me to discover #ScottBaiotoo.


Image

That's Buddy Lembeck, that is.


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Santa wrote:
JB1981 wrote:
Thai guy wrote:
Babywatch. Any day now. :D

I misread that as:

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Thai guy, you are clearly a massive fan but please refrain from making comparisons between the PM and the woman in the middle :thumbup:.

I'm guessing the lady on the left specialised in shallow water rescues.


That picture led me to look up what Nicole Eggert (Summer Quinn) on the far left is up to now. That reminded me that she was on Charles in Charge with Scott Baio. That led me to discover #ScottBaiotoo.


Wow. It has been going newcular too

Quote:
Nicole Eggert alleges disease that killed Scott Baio’s unborn child is ‘nonexistent’


https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/globalne ... child/amp/


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