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Author:  guy smiley [ Wed Jun 13, 2018 11:34 am ]
Post subject:  Re: NZ Politics Thread

TheDocForgotHisLogon wrote:
grouch wrote:
The Minister is constrained by the Overseas Investment Act which is unlikely to be dealt to in a manner that ,the rank & file of the Green party and many other New Zealanders who voted AGAINST the gnats [ myself included] , desire.

No surprises here , as the "morons' are to be found supporting all brands of NZ politics without understanding how far up "Foreign Ownership & Control" Boulevarde we've actually ventured.

Given the massive rainfalls in the Bay of plenty in recent years the environmental impact of this decision is arguably as close zero as can be measured.

Chaotic as this Coalition is being constantly pictured in the media , I think they're being remarkably pragmatic .

There's a massive amount of legislation to review/repeal/replace and a mindset prevailing throughout our society that believes we can deal with 21st century problems using 19th century philosophy and 20th century tools.

Winning the 2020 election is #1 priority and that won't happen by kicking our owners and/or their agents repeatedly in the gonads.

Yeah I could agree with most of that but it wasn't the question I asked.

Anyhoo... it looks like someone who happens to not live here is willing to invest $40M to create a few dozen jobs in the regions. That's awesome.


Good post from Grouch :thumbup:

Doc, 'creating jobs' is a terrible rationale for signing away resource rights. I know the water bottling issue isn't exactly signing away a crucial resource under current conditions but I find the attitude behind statements like that alarming.

I tend to think we as a nation should be securing our own natural resources and consolidating their value through whatever means we can without ceding control or ownership, and employing citizens over temporary labour imports while I'm at it.

Author:  brat [ Wed Jun 13, 2018 11:35 am ]
Post subject:  Re: NZ Politics Thread

grouch wrote:
Hareaway wrote:
grouch wrote:
Hareaway wrote:
Wow Kelvin Davis is a nightmare

I'm ok with this government... Things are travelling along ok . I don't mind paying some more tax to offset some social changes... As long as I can continue to operate my business at a level to provide for my family .. Staff.. And community.

But by the power of Johnny cash himself this Davis bloke is the dumbest tool in the big round shed . An absolute disgrace for Jacinda and she needs to deep six the bloody moron .https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2018/06/waikeria-prison-government-ditches-mega-prison-goes-with-small-rebuild.html


I can't quite follow your logic here .

The article clearly spells out the core problem
" The Government has a target of reducing the prison population by 30 percent over 15 years, and planned reform of the justice system will be part of that. Justice Minister Andrew Little has been signalling too many "low-level offenders" are imprisoned while on bail ahead of trial or sentencing. Reform could also mean more people serving home detention instead of prison time."
The rapid growth in the prison population can be directly attributed to the fiddling with the basics of NZ law in the noughties with changes to the Bail & evidence protocols combined with our outdated and totally ineffectual drug laws.

Largely as a result of the frenzy induced by such shadowy organisations like the Sensible sentencing trust.

Big changes are afoot and not before time .

Kelvin is overworked and deliberately so to enable the neo-libs like Robertson & Twyford to continue to set the agenda.


My logic is "Kelvin is a really useless cvnt "

You follow that dumbass ?


Having met the bloke , I know he isn't as you describe .

I also know that the upper echelons of the Corrections Department is overloaded with useless cvnts installed by the gnats to prepare for full privatisation and have no desire or ability to deal with concept of reducing incarceration rates in a socially constructive manner.

FFS , nearly 40% of inmates serving sentences for Drugs and Traffic offenses!


You met Davis and he’s not a halfwit?.. that’s a shock

Author:  grouch [ Wed Jun 13, 2018 11:43 am ]
Post subject:  Re: NZ Politics Thread

guy smiley wrote:
TheDocForgotHisLogon wrote:
grouch wrote:
The Minister is constrained by the Overseas Investment Act which is unlikely to be dealt to in a manner that ,the rank & file of the Green party and many other New Zealanders who voted AGAINST the gnats [ myself included] , desire.

No surprises here , as the "morons' are to be found supporting all brands of NZ politics without understanding how far up "Foreign Ownership & Control" Boulevarde we've actually ventured.

Given the massive rainfalls in the Bay of plenty in recent years the environmental impact of this decision is arguably as close zero as can be measured.

Chaotic as this Coalition is being constantly pictured in the media , I think they're being remarkably pragmatic .

There's a massive amount of legislation to review/repeal/replace and a mindset prevailing throughout our society that believes we can deal with 21st century problems using 19th century philosophy and 20th century tools.

Winning the 2020 election is #1 priority and that won't happen by kicking our owners and/or their agents repeatedly in the gonads.

Yeah I could agree with most of that but it wasn't the question I asked.

Anyhoo... it looks like someone who happens to not live here is willing to invest $40M to create a few dozen jobs in the regions. That's awesome.


Good post from Grouch :thumbup:

Doc, 'creating jobs' is a terrible rationale for signing away resource rights. I know the water bottling issue isn't exactly signing away a crucial resource under current conditions but I find the attitude behind statements like that alarming.

I tend to think we as a nation should be securing our own natural resources and consolidating their value through whatever means we can without ceding control or ownership, and employing citizens over temporary labour imports while I'm at it.

:shock:
I'm gobsmacked , in this forum I'm 'support for post' virgin .

Author:  deadduck [ Wed Jun 13, 2018 11:54 am ]
Post subject:  Re: NZ Politics Thread

grouch wrote:
deadduck wrote:
I guess when someone is in prison for a traffic offense it's easy to assume it is petty crime but the reality is probably more like they are recidivist drink drivers or have caused a fatal accident whilst racing or similar, basically vehicular manslaughter. Or they are people who have abandoned their fines and these people deserve prison in my view. If there is no consequence for not paying your fines then what use are the fines as a deterrent?


http://www.corrections.govt.nz/working_with_offenders/courts_and_pre-sentencing/types_of_sentences.html
I'm not advocating eliminating punishment.
Plenty of options with curfew/electronic monitoring etc and perhaps an upgraded PD type program that involves supervised ,hard physical labour during the weekends .
Every gully and riverbank in the country is overgrown with invasive weeds . 8 hours on a slashook every saturday for a year would be a damn sight less costly than incarceration.

My point is the current prison crisis was "created " deliberately so that it could be 'solved' by privitisation and yet another path created for the transfer of wealth from the public to corporations.




Great idea. Chuck in the people on the unemployment benefit too. Hell they're all mates with each other anyway. Perhaps we can encourage the general public to hurl abuse and the occasional rotten cabbage at them when they're driving past. Full on public vilification AND cost savings at the same time :thumbup: :thumbup: Best idea you've ever had.

Author:  guy smiley [ Wed Jun 13, 2018 11:56 am ]
Post subject:  Re: NZ Politics Thread

grouch wrote:
:shock:
I'm gobsmacked , in this forum I'm 'support for post' virgin .

:lol: I think it's an unfortunate correlation between your name and someone named Couch.

Author:  guy smiley [ Wed Jun 13, 2018 12:00 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: NZ Politics Thread

deadduck wrote:
grouch wrote:
deadduck wrote:
I guess when someone is in prison for a traffic offense it's easy to assume it is petty crime but the reality is probably more like they are recidivist drink drivers or have caused a fatal accident whilst racing or similar, basically vehicular manslaughter. Or they are people who have abandoned their fines and these people deserve prison in my view. If there is no consequence for not paying your fines then what use are the fines as a deterrent?


http://www.corrections.govt.nz/working_with_offenders/courts_and_pre-sentencing/types_of_sentences.html
I'm not advocating eliminating punishment.
Plenty of options with curfew/electronic monitoring etc and perhaps an upgraded PD type program that involves supervised ,hard physical labour during the weekends .
Every gully and riverbank in the country is overgrown with invasive weeds . 8 hours on a slashook every saturday for a year would be a damn sight less costly than incarceration.

My point is the current prison crisis was "created " deliberately so that it could be 'solved' by privitisation and yet another path created for the transfer of wealth from the public to corporations.




Great idea. Chuck in the people on the unemployment benefit too. Hell they're all mates with each other anyway. Perhaps we can encourage the general public to hurl abuse and the occasional rotten cabbage at them when they're driving past. Full on public vilification AND cost savings at the same time :thumbup: :thumbup: Best idea you've ever had.



Imprisonment is a pretty inefficient way of dealing with the majority of criminal acts or behaviour. It also costs the tax payer way too much.

I'd be interested to see some concrete stats regarding inmate populations and the seriousness of crimes committed, or repeat offender behaviour. I think the idea of 'lock 'em up' is too populist and simplistic for a complex problem, myself... and questioning it is healthy.

Author:  grouch [ Wed Jun 13, 2018 12:11 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: NZ Politics Thread

deadduck wrote:
grouch wrote:
deadduck wrote:
I guess when someone is in prison for a traffic offense it's easy to assume it is petty crime but the reality is probably more like they are recidivist drink drivers or have caused a fatal accident whilst racing or similar, basically vehicular manslaughter. Or they are people who have abandoned their fines and these people deserve prison in my view. If there is no consequence for not paying your fines then what use are the fines as a deterrent?


http://www.corrections.govt.nz/working_with_offenders/courts_and_pre-sentencing/types_of_sentences.html
I'm not advocating eliminating punishment.
Plenty of options with curfew/electronic monitoring etc and perhaps an upgraded PD type program that involves supervised ,hard physical labour during the weekends .
Every gully and riverbank in the country is overgrown with invasive weeds . 8 hours on a slashook every saturday for a year would be a damn sight less costly than incarceration.

My point is the current prison crisis was "created " deliberately so that it could be 'solved' by privitisation and yet another path created for the transfer of wealth from the public to corporations.




Great idea. Chuck in the people on the unemployment benefit too. Hell they're all mates with each other anyway. Perhaps we can encourage the general public to hurl abuse and the occasional rotten cabbage at them when they're driving past. Full on public vilification AND cost savings at the same time :thumbup: :thumbup: Best idea you've ever had.


I never clocked you as a strategic thinker , but yes , you might be onto something there.

Perhaps we could do field trial with the convicted white collar fraudsters , dress them up in their favourite yellow golf shirts and run an orientation program to persuade the garbage pitching public to perfect their aim and only hit the yellow shirts and not the significantly more numerous [and wider] brown people next to them.

Author:  deadduck [ Wed Jun 13, 2018 12:17 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: NZ Politics Thread

Only 13% of people receiving a conviction actually end up in prison. Most people do get community sentences, fines or community service.

Author:  deadduck [ Wed Jun 13, 2018 12:20 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: NZ Politics Thread

grouch wrote:
deadduck wrote:
grouch wrote:
deadduck wrote:
I guess when someone is in prison for a traffic offense it's easy to assume it is petty crime but the reality is probably more like they are recidivist drink drivers or have caused a fatal accident whilst racing or similar, basically vehicular manslaughter. Or they are people who have abandoned their fines and these people deserve prison in my view. If there is no consequence for not paying your fines then what use are the fines as a deterrent?


http://www.corrections.govt.nz/working_with_offenders/courts_and_pre-sentencing/types_of_sentences.html
I'm not advocating eliminating punishment.
Plenty of options with curfew/electronic monitoring etc and perhaps an upgraded PD type program that involves supervised ,hard physical labour during the weekends .
Every gully and riverbank in the country is overgrown with invasive weeds . 8 hours on a slashook every saturday for a year would be a damn sight less costly than incarceration.

My point is the current prison crisis was "created " deliberately so that it could be 'solved' by privitisation and yet another path created for the transfer of wealth from the public to corporations.




Great idea. Chuck in the people on the unemployment benefit too. Hell they're all mates with each other anyway. Perhaps we can encourage the general public to hurl abuse and the occasional rotten cabbage at them when they're driving past. Full on public vilification AND cost savings at the same time :thumbup: :thumbup: Best idea you've ever had.


I never clocked you as a strategic thinker , but yes , you might be onto something there.

Perhaps we could do field trial with the convicted white collar fraudsters , dress them up in their favourite yellow golf shirts and run an orientation program to persuade the garbage pitching public to perfect their aim and only hit the yellow shirts and not the significantly more numerous [and wider] brown people next to them.



I'm sure the 13 accountants and former DHB financial controllers you could rustle up would be mortified at this. But sounds good to me.

Author:  booji boy [ Wed Jun 13, 2018 4:07 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: NZ Politics Thread

grouch wrote:
deadduck wrote:
grouch wrote:
deadduck wrote:
I guess when someone is in prison for a traffic offense it's easy to assume it is petty crime but the reality is probably more like they are recidivist drink drivers or have caused a fatal accident whilst racing or similar, basically vehicular manslaughter. Or they are people who have abandoned their fines and these people deserve prison in my view. If there is no consequence for not paying your fines then what use are the fines as a deterrent?


http://www.corrections.govt.nz/working_with_offenders/courts_and_pre-sentencing/types_of_sentences.html
I'm not advocating eliminating punishment.
Plenty of options with curfew/electronic monitoring etc and perhaps an upgraded PD type program that involves supervised ,hard physical labour during the weekends .
Every gully and riverbank in the country is overgrown with invasive weeds . 8 hours on a slashook every saturday for a year would be a damn sight less costly than incarceration.

My point is the current prison crisis was "created " deliberately so that it could be 'solved' by privitisation and yet another path created for the transfer of wealth from the public to corporations.




Great idea. Chuck in the people on the unemployment benefit too. Hell they're all mates with each other anyway. Perhaps we can encourage the general public to hurl abuse and the occasional rotten cabbage at them when they're driving past. Full on public vilification AND cost savings at the same time :thumbup: :thumbup: Best idea you've ever had.


I never clocked you as a strategic thinker , but yes , you might be onto something there.

Perhaps we could do field trial with the convicted white collar fraudsters , dress them up in their favourite yellow golf shirts and run an orientation program to persuade the garbage pitching public to perfect their aim and only hit the yellow shirts and not the significantly more numerous [and wider] brown people next to them.


As a golfer I take offence! :x (also don't own a yellow gold shirt).

Author:  grouch [ Wed Jun 13, 2018 6:08 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: NZ Politics Thread

booji boy wrote:
grouch wrote:
deadduck wrote:
grouch wrote:
deadduck wrote:
I guess when someone is in prison for a traffic offense it's easy to assume it is petty crime but the reality is probably more like they are recidivist drink drivers or have caused a fatal accident whilst racing or similar, basically vehicular manslaughter. Or they are people who have abandoned their fines and these people deserve prison in my view. If there is no consequence for not paying your fines then what use are the fines as a deterrent?


http://www.corrections.govt.nz/working_with_offenders/courts_and_pre-sentencing/types_of_sentences.html
I'm not advocating eliminating punishment.
Plenty of options with curfew/electronic monitoring etc and perhaps an upgraded PD type program that involves supervised ,hard physical labour during the weekends .
Every gully and riverbank in the country is overgrown with invasive weeds . 8 hours on a slashook every saturday for a year would be a damn sight less costly than incarceration.

My point is the current prison crisis was "created " deliberately so that it could be 'solved' by privitisation and yet another path created for the transfer of wealth from the public to corporations.




Great idea. Chuck in the people on the unemployment benefit too. Hell they're all mates with each other anyway. Perhaps we can encourage the general public to hurl abuse and the occasional rotten cabbage at them when they're driving past. Full on public vilification AND cost savings at the same time :thumbup: :thumbup: Best idea you've ever had.


I never clocked you as a strategic thinker , but yes , you might be onto something there.

Perhaps we could do field trial with the convicted white collar fraudsters , dress them up in their favourite yellow golf shirts and run an orientation program to persuade the garbage pitching public to perfect their aim and only hit the yellow shirts and not the significantly more numerous [and wider] brown people next to them.


As a golfer I take offence! :x (also don't own a yellow gold shirt).

:?:
but you are a white collar fraudster?

Author:  Enzedder [ Wed Jun 13, 2018 6:29 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: NZ Politics Thread

TheDocForgotHisLogon wrote:
grouch wrote:
TheDocForgotHisLogon wrote:
jambanja wrote:
The hits just keep coming, yet another pre-election policy or promise goes under the bus and this was quite a big one, the bottled water going overseas one. The Greens are in disarray


https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/104668519/green-party-members-revolt-over-water-bottling-decision

Madness. The Greens apparently don't understand what Ministers do, didn't review the law regarding Ministers' discretion / regulatory authority on a matter where they had a major commitment and the warrant, and didn't lock changes to said into their agreement with Labour.

Complete morons.


Stuff prints "the greens are disarray" and it becomes an irrefutable fact?

Complete moron not an exclusive club , it would appear.

Easy, Tiger. Engage on the points.

A Green Minister appears to have been surprised that her authority is limited by law, and / or didn't know the law in her own portfolio, and / or The Greens haven't tried or haven't managed to get that law changed in their agreement with Labour.

What's your take on it?


Wrong - she did know the law and hence the position she took.

Quote:
The rapid growth in the prison population can be directly attributed to the fiddling with the basics of NZ law in the noughties with changes to the Bail & evidence protocols combined with our outdated and totally ineffectual drug laws.


That was straight out "Kirstie's Law" - the (horrible) death of a pretty girl does wonders for the knee-jerkers

Author:  Mr Mike [ Wed Jun 13, 2018 6:34 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: NZ Politics Thread

Enzedder wrote:
Quote:
The rapid growth in the prison population can be directly attributed to the fiddling with the basics of NZ law in the noughties with changes to the Bail & evidence protocols combined with our outdated and totally ineffectual drug laws.


That was straight out "Kirstie's Law" - the (horrible) death of a pretty girl does wonders for the knee-jerkers
A fine example of broad based non-partisan legislative cooperation

Author:  Enzedder [ Wed Jun 13, 2018 7:08 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: NZ Politics Thread

With completely OTT consequences because it wasn't thought through at all.

Author:  booji boy [ Wed Jun 13, 2018 9:02 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: NZ Politics Thread

grouch wrote:
booji boy wrote:
grouch wrote:
deadduck wrote:
Great idea. Chuck in the people on the unemployment benefit too. Hell they're all mates with each other anyway. Perhaps we can encourage the general public to hurl abuse and the occasional rotten cabbage at them when they're driving past. Full on public vilification AND cost savings at the same time :thumbup: :thumbup: Best idea you've ever had.


I never clocked you as a strategic thinker , but yes , you might be onto something there.

Perhaps we could do field trial with the convicted white collar fraudsters , dress them up in their favourite yellow golf shirts and run an orientation program to persuade the garbage pitching public to perfect their aim and only hit the yellow shirts and not the significantly more numerous [and wider] brown people next to them.


As a golfer I take offence! :x (also don't own a yellow gold shirt).

:?:
but you are a white collar fraudster?


No but I'm offended by association. :D

Author:  AD345 [ Wed Jun 13, 2018 9:16 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: NZ Politics Thread

booji boy wrote:
grouch wrote:
booji boy wrote:
grouch wrote:

I never clocked you as a strategic thinker , but yes , you might be onto something there.

Perhaps we could do field trial with the convicted white collar fraudsters , dress them up in their favourite yellow golf shirts and run an orientation program to persuade the garbage pitching public to perfect their aim and only hit the yellow shirts and not the significantly more numerous [and wider] brown people next to them.


As a golfer I take offence! :x (also don't own a yellow gold shirt).

:?:
but you are a white collar fraudster?


No but I'm offended by association. :D


Imagine how the fraudsters feel :|

Author:  grouch [ Wed Jun 13, 2018 9:25 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: NZ Politics Thread

Enzedder wrote:
With completely OTT consequences because it wasn't thought through at all.


:thumbup:

Author:  Tehui [ Sat Jun 16, 2018 2:24 am ]
Post subject:  Re: NZ Politics Thread

This gave me a laugh...

Image

Author:  Dark [ Sat Jun 16, 2018 9:00 am ]
Post subject:  Re: NZ Politics Thread

I truly hope Arderns sprog goes alright with no problems

But I can't help wanting for Kelv' to end up acting PM for a few weeks (Winston having to go overseas) just for the humour value.

The geezer is way out of his depth

Author:  Hareaway [ Sun Jun 17, 2018 8:03 am ]
Post subject:  Re: NZ Politics Thread

Our minister of health is a doctor ....


Of religious studies .... :frown:

Author:  deadduck [ Sun Jun 17, 2018 8:15 am ]
Post subject:  Re: NZ Politics Thread

Hareaway wrote:
Our minister of health is a doctor ....


Of religious studies .... :frown:



At least the Minister for Energy and Resources and Minister of Research Science and Innovation has a Ph.D.

In History.

Is it really a surprise there's a general lack of scientists, engineers and doctors in the Labour Party? Those professions are waaaay too bourgeois

Author:  Enzedder [ Sun Jun 17, 2018 8:25 am ]
Post subject:  Re: NZ Politics Thread

Hareaway wrote:
Our minister of health is a doctor ....


Of religious studies .... :frown:



Steven Joyce had a BSc ... in zoology :frown:

Means fuck all really.

Author:  Tehui [ Sun Jun 17, 2018 8:27 am ]
Post subject:  Re: NZ Politics Thread

deadduck wrote:
Hareaway wrote:
Our minister of health is a doctor ....


Of religious studies .... :frown:



At least the Minister for Energy and Resources and Minister of Research Science and Innovation has a Ph.D.

In History.

Is it really a surprise there's a general lack of scientists, engineers and doctors in the Labour Party? Those professions are waaaay too bourgeois


As long as Ministers are receiving good advice, including the pros and cons of different options to inform their decision-making, that's the important thing.

Author:  guy smiley [ Sun Jun 17, 2018 8:27 am ]
Post subject:  Re: NZ Politics Thread

deadduck wrote:
Hareaway wrote:
Our minister of health is a doctor ....


Of religious studies .... :frown:



At least the Minister for Energy and Resources and Minister of Research Science and Innovation has a Ph.D.

In History.

Is it really a surprise there's a general lack of scientists, engineers and doctors in the Labour Party? Those professions are waaaay too bourgeois

:lol: :lol:

I imagine the Nats have a far wider spread of qualifications aside from lawyers?

Author:  Enzedder [ Sun Jun 17, 2018 8:29 am ]
Post subject:  Re: NZ Politics Thread

Paula Bennett has a BA - that'll help heaps

Author:  Fat Old Git [ Sun Jun 17, 2018 8:32 am ]
Post subject:  Re: NZ Politics Thread

Enzedder wrote:
Paula Bennett has a BA - that'll help heaps


It's alright Enz, you don't need to abbreviate big arse.

Author:  Enzedder [ Sun Jun 17, 2018 8:35 am ]
Post subject:  Re: NZ Politics Thread

Fat Old Git wrote:
Enzedder wrote:
Paula Bennett has a BA - that'll help heaps


It's alright Enz, you don't need to abbreviate big arse.


:lol: :lol:

Author:  deadduck [ Sun Jun 17, 2018 8:53 am ]
Post subject:  Re: NZ Politics Thread

guy smiley wrote:
deadduck wrote:
Hareaway wrote:
Our minister of health is a doctor ....


Of religious studies .... :frown:



At least the Minister for Energy and Resources and Minister of Research Science and Innovation has a Ph.D.

In History.

Is it really a surprise there's a general lack of scientists, engineers and doctors in the Labour Party? Those professions are waaaay too bourgeois

:lol: :lol:

I imagine the Nats have a far wider spread of qualifications aside from lawyers?



It's not really the point is it.

Scientists, engineers and doctors don't tend to join the Labour Party for the same reason there aren't many trade unionists and sociologists in the National Party or non-autistics in ACT

Author:  deadduck [ Sun Jun 17, 2018 8:56 am ]
Post subject:  Re: NZ Politics Thread

I don't quite understand the direction Paula Bennett is going with her personal style these days but if her intention is to look more and more like a Disney villainess then she's nailing it

Author:  guy smiley [ Sun Jun 17, 2018 8:56 am ]
Post subject:  Re: NZ Politics Thread

deadduck wrote:
guy smiley wrote:
deadduck wrote:
Hareaway wrote:
Our minister of health is a doctor ....


Of religious studies .... :frown:



At least the Minister for Energy and Resources and Minister of Research Science and Innovation has a Ph.D.

In History.

Is it really a surprise there's a general lack of scientists, engineers and doctors in the Labour Party? Those professions are waaaay too bourgeois

:lol: :lol:

I imagine the Nats have a far wider spread of qualifications aside from lawyers?



It's not really the point is it.

Scientists, engineers and doctors don't tend to join the Labour Party for the same reason there aren't many trade unionists and sociologists in the National Party or non-autistics in ACT


I don't agree with the idea that a profession would dictate your political leanings, outside the sort of peer group identification that might go on.

Author:  Enzedder [ Sun Jun 17, 2018 9:06 am ]
Post subject:  Re: NZ Politics Thread

Well, the Nats put a woodwork teacher in charge of the Christchurch rebuild. That went well.

Author:  deadduck [ Sun Jun 17, 2018 9:24 am ]
Post subject:  Re: NZ Politics Thread

guy smiley wrote:
deadduck wrote:
guy smiley wrote:
deadduck wrote:
Hareaway wrote:
Our minister of health is a doctor ....


Of religious studies .... :frown:



At least the Minister for Energy and Resources and Minister of Research Science and Innovation has a Ph.D.

In History.

Is it really a surprise there's a general lack of scientists, engineers and doctors in the Labour Party? Those professions are waaaay too bourgeois

:lol: :lol:

I imagine the Nats have a far wider spread of qualifications aside from lawyers?



It's not really the point is it.

Scientists, engineers and doctors don't tend to join the Labour Party for the same reason there aren't many trade unionists and sociologists in the National Party or non-autistics in ACT


I don't agree with the idea that a profession would dictate your political leanings, outside the sort of peer group identification that might go on.


It's not that your career influences your voting preference.

It's that the same factors which influenced your career choices, such as personality, education and values, also influence your voting preferences.
So the types of personalities aligned with Labour's values are markedly different from the types of personalities aligned with ACT's for example, and you would no doubt find a stark difference in the career choices of those people.

Although when it comes to major parties naturally there is a bigger group of supporters so you will always find a more balanced selection of individuals compared to the small parties where the differences really stand out.

Author:  MungoMan [ Sun Jun 17, 2018 9:33 am ]
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deadduck wrote:
guy smiley wrote:
deadduck wrote:
guy smiley wrote:
deadduck wrote:


At least the Minister for Energy and Resources and Minister of Research Science and Innovation has a Ph.D.

In History.

Is it really a surprise there's a general lack of scientists, engineers and doctors in the Labour Party? Those professions are waaaay too bourgeois

:lol: :lol:

I imagine the Nats have a far wider spread of qualifications aside from lawyers?



It's not really the point is it.

Scientists, engineers and doctors don't tend to join the Labour Party for the same reason there aren't many trade unionists and sociologists in the National Party or non-autistics in ACT


I don't agree with the idea that a profession would dictate your political leanings, outside the sort of peer group identification that might go on.


It's not that your career influences your voting preference.


Let me get this right. You're saying one's economic position - what one does for a living, the role one plays in the economy - does not influence how one votes?

:lol: :lol: :lol:

Never took you for a comedian until now.

Author:  deadduck [ Sun Jun 17, 2018 9:37 am ]
Post subject:  Re: NZ Politics Thread

That has to be the single most outrageous case of quote mining I've ever seen on this thread

Author:  eugenius [ Sun Jun 17, 2018 11:12 am ]
Post subject:  Re: NZ Politics Thread

deadduck wrote:
guy smiley wrote:
deadduck wrote:
Hareaway wrote:
Our minister of health is a doctor ....


Of religious studies .... :frown:



At least the Minister for Energy and Resources and Minister of Research Science and Innovation has a Ph.D.

In History.

Is it really a surprise there's a general lack of scientists, engineers and doctors in the Labour Party? Those professions are waaaay too bourgeois

:lol: :lol:

I imagine the Nats have a far wider spread of qualifications aside from lawyers?



It's not really the point is it.

Scientists, engineers and doctors don't tend to join the Labour Party for the same reason there aren't many trade unionists and sociologists in the National Party or non-autistics in ACT


I know a lot of doctors that are Labour Party members .

Author:  Seneca of the Night [ Sun Jun 17, 2018 11:19 am ]
Post subject:  Re: NZ Politics Thread

Has this been done?

Quote:
It was perhaps perversely fitting then that he failed to alert Ardern in advance of filing legal proceedings on Monday to sue the Government, senior public servants and former ministers.

It’s unforgivable. But Ardern will forgive him because she forgives him everything. The absence of any explanation or contrition from Peters makes her look inconsequential.


https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/arti ... d=12071568

Tail wags the dog innit.

Author:  Wilderbeast [ Sun Jun 17, 2018 11:28 am ]
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Nothing new here. Of course she'll forgive anything or the government collapses.

Author:  Seneca of the Night [ Sun Jun 17, 2018 12:30 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: NZ Politics Thread

Wilderbeast wrote:
Nothing new here. Of course she'll forgive anything or the government collapses.


Not ideal is it. Makes you think there might be a few kinks in the system.

Author:  Seneca of the Night [ Sun Jun 17, 2018 12:34 pm ]
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In fact I'd say that if the majority party doesn't have the integrity to collapse the govt if too much of this goes on, then the Governor General should do it for them at a certain point.

No one voted for this.

Author:  Mr Mike [ Sun Jun 17, 2018 12:43 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: NZ Politics Thread

Seneca of the Night wrote:
In fact I'd say that if the majority party doesn't have the integrity to collapse the govt if too much of this goes on, then the Governor General should do it for them at a certain point.

No one voted for this.
Unlikely for the GC to step in, despite having a relatively new spouse to impress like Sir John Kerr also had. Ultimately the voters can render their verdict at the next election.

Didn’t realize that Dame Patsy was previously married to one of the Russell McVeagh tax partners. He was quite a character.

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