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PostPosted: Tue Jun 25, 2019 10:26 am 
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Losing Amy Adams is a big loss for National. I actually thought she deserved to get the nod as leader during their last caucus vote.



I readily admit to being a little scared at the prospect of her success .

However I can rest easy now Simon is opposition leader .


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If results are some process like the following, just about everything's still at stage 1 or 2, some at 3 including the money thrown at regional development, and nothing's at 4 or 5.

1 - messages and intent
2 - specific policy and delivery plans
3 - funding
4 - successful execution of change
5 - actual delivery of outcomes

What we've got is a target for us to be carbon neutral by 2050 is getting presented as having achieved something; or funding for mental health is a result in itself; or banning exploration for something stops consumption of it. Jones explicitly jumps from 3 to 5. I've given them money therefore I've created sustainable jobs.


That's a good way to think about it. They haven't actually delivered much. They're just not National. Wow.

Government is terrible at 4, and worse at 5. Most projects go late and deliver well short of intended scope, and everyone's just pleased at the end to shut the f**king thing down and call it finished. The follow-up to deliver actual sustained benefits is woeful (Whanua Ora, the Social Investment Unit, IR Transformation, ACC transformation, anything with transformation in the title, Landonline replacement, Oranga Tamariki, Courts Modernisation, MSD Simplification, son-of-tomorrow's-schools, etc... forever, like a boot stamping on a taxpayer's face). There are exceptions but they're few and far between.


That's government for you. Things get watered down and neutered by the need to balance so many interests. It's the good bit and the bad bit.


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The policy itself was ill thought out and half baked .


They campaigned on it over 2 election cycles. It was a core policy.



Indeed.

Labour were crowing from the parapets that they were the only ones with the solutions to the house price problem. They had years to get their ducks in a row prior to rolling out the policy, and they had ample opportunity to wind in their unrealistic targets prior to presenting them to the electorate in the 2017 election campaign. But no, they persisted with the 100,000 homes in 10 years tag line.
Kiwibuild can only be considered an abject failure and Labour are accountable for 100% of that as they are the ones that mis-sold it to the public. The 'it was pretty hard' excuse doesn't wash, we all knew it was going to be pretty hard. That's why no other party made such promises.


Why would the current opposition have made any such promise when their policy direction was clearly one of turning a blind eye and whistling Dixie for a decade?



Well that's not true, it's just what you want to believe. The National govt worked very hard with the Auckland council in particular to address land supply issues and they created such things as the Homestart grants to help people establish themselves. They changed the 'brightline' rules around capital gains to address what they could of that problem, and were working on reforming the RMA. They also created a bunch of authorities whose sole purpose was to support an increase in housing supply.

The boom we are in at the moment has its roots in the work that National did.


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The brightline rules? Please, that was little more than an info gathering exercise. It had little to no real world impact.


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It might be amusing to run a poll for those critical of the delivery so far asking how much extra tax they'd pay to see the job done.



The government doesn't need any more money. They have plenty. The failure is in the implementation, not the resourcing.


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The brightline rules? Please, that was little more than an info gathering exercise. It had little to no real world impact.


If it was so useless then why did Labour double down on it


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There's a pretty straightforward way of addressing the 'problem' of people speculating on house price rises, if you think it's a problem.

If the rental is less than the mortgage interest on the value of the property, plus rates and so on, plus maintenance, then the only purpose you have is capital gain and therefore you should be taxed as such. The last government wouldn't do that, and the current government won't. Something else that they could do (actually this one is very easy to implement) but won't.


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There's a pretty straightforward way of addressing the 'problem' of people speculating on house price rises, if you think it's a problem.

If the rental is less than the mortgage interest on the value of the property, plus rates and so on, plus maintenance, then the only purpose you have is capital gain and therefore you should be taxed as such. The last government wouldn't do that, and the current government won't. Something else that they could do (actually this one is very easy to implement) but won't.



Won't that just mean landlords game it by increasing rents to a level where they can avoid the tax. That policy is a recipe for inequality


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 Post subject: Re: NZ Politics Thread
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There's a pretty straightforward way of addressing the 'problem' of people speculating on house price rises, if you think it's a problem.

If the rental is less than the mortgage interest on the value of the property, plus rates and so on, plus maintenance, then the only purpose you have is capital gain and therefore you should be taxed as such. The last government wouldn't do that, and the current government won't. Something else that they could do (actually this one is very easy to implement) but won't.



Won't that just mean landlords game it by increasing rents to a level where they can avoid the tax. That policy is a recipe for inequality

Of course. All policies that increase costs for landlords push up rents. Increasing capital requirements for banks will raise interest rates will raise rents, WoFs for rentals (1 done in Wellington, fudge knows what the policy and implementation work cost ratepayers), insulation requirements, etc. All or none of them might be a good idea, but if anyone thinks the costs aren't passed on they're dreaming.


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If results are some process like the following, just about everything's still at stage 1 or 2, some at 3 including the money thrown at regional development, and nothing's at 4 or 5.

1 - messages and intent
2 - specific policy and delivery plans
3 - funding
4 - successful execution of change
5 - actual delivery of outcomes

What we've got is a target for us to be carbon neutral by 2050 is getting presented as having achieved something; or funding for mental health is a result in itself; or banning exploration for something stops consumption of it. Jones explicitly jumps from 3 to 5. I've given them money therefore I've created sustainable jobs.


That's a good way to think about it. They haven't actually delivered much. They're just not National. Wow.

Government is terrible at 4, and worse at 5. Most projects go late and deliver well short of intended scope, and everyone's just pleased at the end to shut the f**king thing down and call it finished. The follow-up to deliver actual sustained benefits is woeful (Whanua Ora, the Social Investment Unit, IR Transformation, ACC transformation, anything with transformation in the title, Landonline replacement, Oranga Tamariki, Courts Modernisation, MSD Simplification, son-of-tomorrow's-schools, etc... forever, like a boot stamping on a taxpayer's face). There are exceptions but they're few and far between.


That's government for you. Things get watered down and neutered by the need to balance so many interests. It's the good bit and the bad bit.


My guess there are consultancies all over Wellington that sell a service to ensure and measure the outcomes of these programmes and they just rinse and repeat.

There is a wider more massive point, and one that bears repeating across the west, because we are forgetting the lesson. All human institutions are bad at change, and only get worse at it. Entrophy and torpor are natural states of the universe and humans are made of crooked timber. But governments are particularly bad at this, as there is poor accountability built into the system due to the shareholder structure and before you know it you're waiting two months for a phone.

This lesson was hard won through the 70s and 80s and it seemed everyone knew their Hayek. In NZ people like Alan Gibbs and Roger Kerr and many others were relentless in banging the drum on this lesson over and over and over. It is an eternal lesson, and requires eternal vigilance. But in this age of Democratic Socialists and young female politicians who show no sign of ever having read a book, it looks like we are soon going to have to learn it all over again.

We have to hope the Adrian Orrs can outlast and outpace the Jacindas.


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 Post subject: Re: NZ Politics Thread
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Seneca of the Night wrote:
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If results are some process like the following, just about everything's still at stage 1 or 2, some at 3 including the money thrown at regional development, and nothing's at 4 or 5.

1 - messages and intent
2 - specific policy and delivery plans
3 - funding
4 - successful execution of change
5 - actual delivery of outcomes

What we've got is a target for us to be carbon neutral by 2050 is getting presented as having achieved something; or funding for mental health is a result in itself; or banning exploration for something stops consumption of it. Jones explicitly jumps from 3 to 5. I've given them money therefore I've created sustainable jobs.


That's a good way to think about it. They haven't actually delivered much. They're just not National. Wow.

Government is terrible at 4, and worse at 5. Most projects go late and deliver well short of intended scope, and everyone's just pleased at the end to shut the f**king thing down and call it finished. The follow-up to deliver actual sustained benefits is woeful (Whanua Ora, the Social Investment Unit, IR Transformation, ACC transformation, anything with transformation in the title, Landonline replacement, Oranga Tamariki, Courts Modernisation, MSD Simplification, son-of-tomorrow's-schools, etc... forever, like a boot stamping on a taxpayer's face). There are exceptions but they're few and far between.


That's government for you. Things get watered down and neutered by the need to balance so many interests. It's the good bit and the bad bit.


My guess there are consultancies all over Wellington that sell a service to ensure and measure the outcomes of these programmes and they just rinse and repeat.

There is a wider more massive point, and one that bears repeating across the west, because we are forgetting the lesson. All human institutions are bad at change, and only get worse at it. Entrophy and torpor are natural states of the universe and humans are made of crooked timber. But governments are particularly bad at this, as there is poor accountability built into the system due to the shareholder structure and before you know it you're waiting two months for a phone.

This lesson was hard won through the 70s and 80s and it seemed everyone knew their Hayek. In NZ people like Alan Gibbs and Roger Kerr and many others were relentless in banging the drum on this lesson over and over and over. It is an eternal lesson, and requires eternal vigilance. But in this age of Democratic Socialists and young female politicians who show no sign of ever having read a book, it looks like we are soon going to have to learn it all over again.

We have to hope the Adrian Orrs can outlast and outpace the Jacindas.


I used to work for one. 8) But there are many many problems: shit data, political managers, too many stakeholders, projects that change halfway through. Its a mess.

It was quite funny really. Everyone used to moan about everything. Programmes were shit because they were poorly conceived or managed ir resourced. And then change was shit because it is.


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 Post subject: Re: NZ Politics Thread
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Phil kiwibuild Twyford . Times up champ ... you have done bloody nothing ...you talked and talked and nothing has happened... get up and fudge off ,



Apparently the govt reshuffle is this thursday (after Ardern announcing it happening last August)

20 virtual internet dollars says Twyford keeps the majority of roles, given Ardern's weird reluctance to hold people to account unless backed against a wall.


How can you reshuffle a deck of cards loaded with 2s, 3s, 4s? They're all fcking useless.

I have a theory which is extremely counter-intuitive but we need to increase the size of the house. We need to have more power and intrigue from backbenches and caucus, we need to have more backup options to pressure / replace poorly performing ministers, etc. Cabinet is overmighty in our system. And this cabinet is an overmighty dog. Adern is no doubt holding on to a lot of people because the options are worse.


You theorized and so are some others
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/113784911/proposal-to-extend-parliamentary-term-to-four-years-increase-mps-to-150


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 Post subject: Re: NZ Politics Thread
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End of Life Choice bill is going thru it's 2nd reading - some of the speeches here

https://www.parliament.nz/en/watch-parl ... mId=207585

Live here

https://www.parliament.nz/en/watch-parliament/


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End of Life Choice bill is going thru it's 2nd reading - some of the speeches here

https://www.parliament.nz/en/watch-parl ... mId=207585

Live here

https://www.parliament.nz/en/watch-parliament/

How's it going? Will be fascinating to see how it goes inc. whether it gets torpedoed for the sake of it because it's an ACT thing.

Personally I hope it gets through in some high-quality form - I can't think of many more fundamental rights.


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Phil kiwibuild Twyford . Times up champ ... you have done bloody nothing ...you talked and talked and nothing has happened... get up and fudge off ,



Apparently the govt reshuffle is this thursday (after Ardern announcing it happening last August)

20 virtual internet dollars says Twyford keeps the majority of roles, given Ardern's weird reluctance to hold people to account unless backed against a wall.


How can you reshuffle a deck of cards loaded with 2s, 3s, 4s? They're all fcking useless.

I have a theory which is extremely counter-intuitive but we need to increase the size of the house. We need to have more power and intrigue from backbenches and caucus, we need to have more backup options to pressure / replace poorly performing ministers, etc. Cabinet is overmighty in our system. And this cabinet is an overmighty dog. Adern is no doubt holding on to a lot of people because the options are worse.


You theorized and so are some others
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/113784911/proposal-to-extend-parliamentary-term-to-four-years-increase-mps-to-150


Wow. Interesting. Great minds thinking alike and all that. 8) I had Jonathan Boston as a lecturer way back in the days. He was pretty good from memory.

It will be hard to argue for an increase in the size of the house, but I reckon it's sorely needed. That report seems to cover it.


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How's it going? Will be fascinating to see how it goes inc. whether it gets torpedoed for the sake of it because it's an ACT thing.

Personally I hope it gets through in some high-quality form - I can't think of many more fundamental rights.


Lots of arguments both sides but, to me, the anti side are trying to paint a picture of state sanctioned killing as opposed to the pro side talking about humane choices.


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How's it going? Will be fascinating to see how it goes inc. whether it gets torpedoed for the sake of it because it's an ACT thing.

Personally I hope it gets through in some high-quality form - I can't think of many more fundamental rights.


Lots of arguments both sides but, to me, the anti side are trying to paint a picture of state sanctioned killing as opposed to the pro side talking about humane choices.


Did you happen to notice the for and against Enz?

First reading was 70 something to 40 something for it, but would imagine it's tightened up.

Winston is only voting for on condition of a referendum, which unless they add it to the weed one I can't see happening till at least 2021-22


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The vote was 70 to 51 in favour of the bill going thru


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The vote was 70 to 51 in favour of the bill going thru


Someone miscounted (looks like Trevor's admitting to the error now). 70-50 - as one MP was double counted! Unsurprisingly, it was Anahila Kanongata'a-Suisuiki - her name went over two lines . . .


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The vote was 70 to 51 in favour of the bill going thru


Someone miscounted (looks like Trevor's admitting to the error now). 70-50 - as one MP was double counted! Unsurprisingly, it was Anahila Kanongata'a-Suisuiki - her name went over two lines . . .



Crack up :lol:

You must have all the contacts.

Edit: I take it back. This is public isn’t it? I still think you have all the contacts though.


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Wilderbeast wrote:
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The vote was 70 to 51 in favour of the bill going thru


Someone miscounted (looks like Trevor's admitting to the error now). 70-50 - as one MP was double counted! Unsurprisingly, it was Anahila Kanongata'a-Suisuiki - her name went over two lines . . .



Crack up :lol:

You must have all the contacts


Not really . . he announced it in the House which was broadcast on Parliament TV. :D


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I knew it! Only time I’ve ever watched parliament tv was to see the boss get grilled in select committee.


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The vote was 70 to 51 in favour of the bill going thru

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Wrong thread


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The old Dipak gambit.


A great Kiwi politician.

Wrong thread.


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The old Dipak gambit.


A great Kiwi politician.

Wrong thread.


:lol: You fast bastard.


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Seneca of the Night wrote:
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Phil kiwibuild Twyford . Times up champ ... you have done bloody nothing ...you talked and talked and nothing has happened... get up and fudge off ,



Apparently the govt reshuffle is this thursday (after Ardern announcing it happening last August)

20 virtual internet dollars says Twyford keeps the majority of roles, given Ardern's weird reluctance to hold people to account unless backed against a wall.


How can you reshuffle a deck of cards loaded with 2s, 3s, 4s? They're all fcking useless.

I have a theory which is extremely counter-intuitive but we need to increase the size of the house. We need to have more power and intrigue from backbenches and caucus, we need to have more backup options to pressure / replace poorly performing ministers, etc. Cabinet is overmighty in our system. And this cabinet is an overmighty dog. Adern is no doubt holding on to a lot of people because the options are worse.


You theorized and so are some others
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/113784911/proposal-to-extend-parliamentary-term-to-four-years-increase-mps-to-150


Wow. Interesting. Great minds thinking alike and all that. 8) I had Jonathan Boston as a lecturer way back in the days. He was pretty good from memory.

It will be hard to argue for an increase in the size of the house, but I reckon it's sorely needed. That report seems to cover it.


fudge, I had him as a tutor.


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Twyford has been ditched from a dead Kiwibuild in the reshuffle.

They are splitting housing between multiple ministers (which the criticised National for doing)

Happy for Faafoi. Solid dude, top bloke and into cabinet. (took their time. He has been the stand out from day one)

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/arti ... d=12244603


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Wow. Interesting. Great minds thinking alike and all that. 8) I had Jonathan Boston as a lecturer way back in the days. He was pretty good from memory.

It will be hard to argue for an increase in the size of the house, but I reckon it's sorely needed. That report seems to cover it.


fudge, I had him as a tutor.


Sounds like we may all have crossed paths at some point.


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Wow. Interesting. Great minds thinking alike and all that. 8) I had Jonathan Boston as a lecturer way back in the days. He was pretty good from memory.

It will be hard to argue for an increase in the size of the house, but I reckon it's sorely needed. That report seems to cover it.


fudge, I had him as a tutor.


Sounds like we may all have crossed paths at some point.


More importantly, Boston was a pioneer of the famous 'delayed right wing mind implant'. What that means is that at some stage in the next five years both of you will wake up one morning and be of impeccable clear right wing mind. You will see clearly now the rain has gone.


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Wow. Interesting. Great minds thinking alike and all that. 8) I had Jonathan Boston as a lecturer way back in the days. He was pretty good from memory.

It will be hard to argue for an increase in the size of the house, but I reckon it's sorely needed. That report seems to cover it.


fudge, I had him as a tutor.


Sounds like we may all have crossed paths at some point.


More importantly, Boston was a pioneer of the famous 'delayed right wing mind implant'. What that means is that at some stage in the next five years both of you will wake up one morning and be of impeccable clear right wing mind. You will see clearly now the rain has gone.


Sounds highly unlikely, he was just a post-grad student. I remember literally nothing he did or said.

The South African marxist who added a layer to the base of Marxist theory labelled "patriarchy" (maybe on his own initiative, who knows) made more impression on me, and I don't even remember his name.


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The South African marxist who added a layer to the base of Marxist theory labelled "patriarchy" (maybe on his own initiative, who knows) made more impression on me, and I don't even remember his name.
Rob Steven?


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Was an interesting chap. He was based at Canterbury and taught the politics of class, gender and race. Read today that he died in 2001 from a brain tumor in Sydney.

I recall he once told me that he found how I handled my masculinity “very attractive”. Who could blame him?


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The guy who made the most impression on me was also a Marxist (American). He was the Foreign Policy professor and he was obsessed with what schools the guys in the Kennedy Admin went to, arguing it was something that went on at Groton that contributed to the groupthink that caused the Bay of Pigs thing to go down the way it did. He was fascinated with WASP power structures. It never occurred to me at the time, but of course he was tribal.

I fancy if you pulled that stunt nowadays with the neo-cons you would get pulled over. Strange that.


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Was an interesting chap. He was based at Canterbury and taught the politics of class, gender and race. Read today that he died in 2001 from a brain tumor in Sydney.

I recall he once told me that he found how I handled my masculinity “very attractive”. Who could blame him?


That's a shame, he seemed like a decent bloke. I read yesterday that Jacob Bercovitch died in 2011, which shook me a bit. I didn't actually like Jacob, but his class was very very good. Getting to that age when all your teachers go and die on you.


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koroke hangareka wrote:
Mr Mike wrote:
Was an interesting chap. He was based at Canterbury and taught the politics of class, gender and race. Read today that he died in 2001 from a brain tumor in Sydney.

I recall he once told me that he found how I handled my masculinity “very attractive”. Who could blame him?


That's a shame, he seemed like a decent bloke. I read yesterday that Jacob Bercovitch died in 2011, which shook me a bit. I didn't actually like Jacob, but his class was very very good. Getting to that age when all your teachers go and die on you.

That’s a shock also. Who was the Palestinian advocate in the department he was always in conflict with?

Edit: Ron McIntyre?


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Wow. Interesting. Great minds thinking alike and all that. 8) I had Jonathan Boston as a lecturer way back in the days. He was pretty good from memory.

It will be hard to argue for an increase in the size of the house, but I reckon it's sorely needed. That report seems to cover it.


fudge, I had him as a tutor.


Sounds like we may all have crossed paths at some point.


More importantly, Boston was a pioneer of the famous 'delayed right wing mind implant'. What that means is that at some stage in the next five years both of you will wake up one morning and be of impeccable clear right wing mind. You will see clearly now the rain has gone.


Sounds highly unlikely, he was just a post-grad student. I remember literally nothing he did or said.

The South African marxist who added a layer to the base of Marxist theory labelled "patriarchy" (maybe on his own initiative, who knows) made more impression on me, and I don't even remember his name.


Margaret Clark managing to spend the majority of her time pissed made the biggest impresssion on me.


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Margaret Clark managing to spend the majority of her time pissed made the biggest impresssion on me.


I had a two hour lecture with Margaret Clark the morning Muldoon died, so she just told Muldoon stories for the lecture. She was quite a character. I thought she would be rubbish, but really enjoyed her class. I can't even remember what it was called. 'Talking shit about politics' I think.


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Mr Mike wrote:
koroke hangareka wrote:
Mr Mike wrote:
Was an interesting chap. He was based at Canterbury and taught the politics of class, gender and race. Read today that he died in 2001 from a brain tumor in Sydney.

I recall he once told me that he found how I handled my masculinity “very attractive”. Who could blame him?


That's a shame, he seemed like a decent bloke. I read yesterday that Jacob Bercovitch died in 2011, which shook me a bit. I didn't actually like Jacob, but his class was very very good. Getting to that age when all your teachers go and die on you.

That’s a shock also. Who was the Palestinian advocate in the department he was always in conflict with?

Edit: Ron McIntyre?


Again that sounds right, though I think I mostly missed that.( It would be hard to overestimate how oblivious I was in my last couple of years at university.)


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