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terangi48 wrote:It's the definition of "Private Land" that can smell a bit.........how it was acquired....that's quite a lot of land to acquire in 19 years.....


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terangi48 wrote:An honorable decision then........

Dark wrote:

terangi48 wrote:An honorable decision then........

Why?

I doubt very much they are giving it back

Think they well just leave it as it is and the legally recognised representative Iwi elders don't get any land back instead of the 25% that Fletchers were going to give them, or any houses.

Dark wrote:

UncleFB wrote:

Dark wrote:

terangi48 wrote:Don't worry Dork......it's just returning land that was probably confiscated years ago by some bent land acquirer......just be glad the original owners aren't charging loss of income, annual interest and fines for illegal confiscation......and look on the bright side.....a local business is making a killing, profit, etc....

It was agreed between Maori and the govt that private land would not be included in Waitangi dealings my rather slow friend.

Private land can be included in settlements after purchase by the Crown. This has always been the case.

Maori had no choice but to accept all Crown stipulations on how the Treaty process would work so "Maori agreed" is really a bit of BS.

The crown aren't buying it.

It looks like they are loaning (probably interest free) the 40 mill' to the Council who are buying it.

Dark wrote:Was always going to happen with this lot of soft cock Labour lites

We are about to buy Ihumātao for utterly no reason apart from to appease some moaning young people who disagree with their elders.

Tehui wrote:

Dark wrote:Was always going to happen with this lot of soft cock Labour lites

We are about to buy Ihumātao for utterly no reason apart from to appease some moaning young people who disagree with their elders.

You conveniently fail to mention the land was stolen by the Crown. Not bought. Stolen. Like 95% of New Zealand.

Dark wrote:

Tehui wrote:

Dark wrote:Was always going to happen with this lot of soft cock Labour lites

We are about to buy Ihumātao for utterly no reason apart from to appease some moaning young people who disagree with their elders.

You conveniently fail to mention the land was stolen by the Crown. Not bought. Stolen. Like 95% of New Zealand.

It has nothing to do with convenience. It was just not repeating what has already been said about 20 times on this thread, but if you want to get all pedantic all good.

You conveniently fail to mention that is why we have the Waitangi Tribunal

Dark wrote:

Tehui wrote:

Dark wrote:Was always going to happen with this lot of soft cock Labour lites

We are about to buy Ihumātao for utterly no reason apart from to appease some moaning young people who disagree with their elders.

You conveniently fail to mention the land was stolen by the Crown. Not bought. Stolen. Like 95% of New Zealand.

It has nothing to do with convenience. It was just not repeating what has already been said about 20 times on this thread, but if you want to get all pedantic all good.

You conveniently fail to mention that is why we have the Waitangi Tribunal

Santa wrote:

Dark wrote:

Tehui wrote:

Dark wrote:Was always going to happen with this lot of soft cock Labour lites

We are about to buy Ihumātao for utterly no reason apart from to appease some moaning young people who disagree with their elders.

You conveniently fail to mention the land was stolen by the Crown. Not bought. Stolen. Like 95% of New Zealand.

It has nothing to do with convenience. It was just not repeating what has already been said about 20 times on this thread, but if you want to get all pedantic all good.

You conveniently fail to mention that is why we have the Waitangi Tribunal

We Maori have all the emotion cards in this game my friend. You can do nothing.

Tehui wrote:https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/educat ... nt-records

Even though this story is not a political one, I thought it was a story worth mentioning. 53 final year Otago University medical students won't be graduating with their classmates next month, due to them falsifying work experience documents and taking an overseas holiday when they were supposed to be doing an internship. It makes you wonder how many current practicing medical doctors the University would catch out if they went back and investigated former students over the last 10 years.

comets wrote:Saw the 2nd part of Stephen Colbert in NZ with Xena and FIGWIT, hilarious, tomorrow he will be PLAYING RUGBY with the ALL BLACKS lol .. can't wait..

Dark wrote:

comets wrote:Saw the 2nd part of Stephen Colbert in NZ with Xena and FIGWIT, hilarious, tomorrow he will be PLAYING RUGBY with the ALL BLACKS lol .. can't wait..

Fair play to her for getting the publicity and US audiences eyes on NZ, but geezes it is cheesey.

That karaoke bit actually made Key on Letterman look cool.

Dark wrote:

comets wrote:Saw the 2nd part of Stephen Colbert in NZ with Xena and FIGWIT, hilarious, tomorrow he will be PLAYING RUGBY with the ALL BLACKS lol .. can't wait..

Fair play to her for getting the publicity and US audiences eyes on NZ, but geezes it is cheesey.

That karaoke bit actually made Key on Letterman look cool.

Santa wrote:

Dark wrote:

comets wrote:Saw the 2nd part of Stephen Colbert in NZ with Xena and FIGWIT, hilarious, tomorrow he will be PLAYING RUGBY with the ALL BLACKS lol .. can't wait..

Fair play to her for getting the publicity and US audiences eyes on NZ, but geezes it is cheesey.

That karaoke bit actually made Key on Letterman look cool.

Ok she's good at marketing. How's her Prime Ministering?

A bill allowing overseas security agents to carry illegal guns while in New Zealand for the APEC summit has passed its first reading, without support from the Greens.

Greens justice spokesperson Golriz Ghahraman said the country's existing laws should be enough to provide security for any foreign visitors during the summit in 2021.

She said force was most commonly used against persons of colour both here and overseas - putting certain communities at greater risk than others.

Parliament should instead prioritise the rights and security of the New Zealand public, Ms Ghahraman said.

In the past, governments have allowed these sorts of exceptions for big international events and while it had become part and parcel of hosting, she said New Zealand should push back.

"There's no need to change which guns are allowed in New Zealand or how restricted firearms are imported.

"At a time that we're reforming our domestic gun laws it doesn't make sense to move the other way for this meeting," she said.

Man In Black wrote:They’re still wheeling out the Xena character? For real? Wasn’t that in the 90s?

Seneca of the Night wrote:

MungoMan wrote:

Tehui wrote:https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/educat ... nt-records

Even though this story is not a political one, I thought it was a story worth mentioning. 53 final year Otago University medical students won't be graduating with their classmates next month, due to them falsifying work experience documents and taking an overseas holiday when they were supposed to be doing an internship. It makes you wonder how many current practicing medical doctors the University would catch out if they went back and investigated former students over the last 10 years.

Fifty-three? Jaysus shite, that is disgraceful. And yes, a slow and through investigation of the internship evidence for recentish medical graduates is certainly called for since it would be a strange old thing if this year's cohort was the sole offender.

That said, there is likely to be a powerful and compelling temptation to not dig lest something horrible and embarrassing be found.

Say no more. SAY NO MORE.

I have practiced in the Youth Court since its inception, some 30 years ago. I have represented hundreds perhaps thousands of young people in the Court during that time and consider I know the system pretty well.

Which is why I cannot believe how National’s proposed law and order policy document, at least as far as it applies to young people, is so inept.

Two of the proposals that caught my attention are:

Widening the Clean Slate scheme for young offenders to wipe their criminal record at age 18 if they meet certain criteria.
Classifying the top 150 most serious offenders as “young serious offenders” and treating them differently.
The proposal for a clean slate ignores the fact that pretty well every first offender in the Youth Court who faces a charge involving a potential prison sentence of two years or less get a clean record under section 282 of the Act. The effect of this order is that it is deemed that the young person has been acquitted of the offence. The effect is even stronger than the result under the Criminal Records (Clean Slate) Law 2004 which merely allows a qualifying person to deny they have a conviction.

And the Clean Slate system applies to many offences where the potential sentence is up to 14 years in prison, as long as the young person was not sentenced to prison. Is the 2 year maximum sentence provision suggesting that the application of the Clean Slate for young people will be more restrictive than it is for adults?

Young people get the benefit under the Clean Slate legislation anyway. Is National proposing clean slate only for young people if they do some community work and pass their NCEA literacy modules? This is the only possible interpretation of the proposal.

The numbers of people potentially affected by this? I would be most surprised if anyone qualified apart possibly from the odd 17 year old who before the Youth Court age was increased got into trouble twice or did not receive police diversion. The number must be very, very low.

The rhetoric is great, giving young people a second chance. But they get it anyway. It seems the only purpose of the proposal is so that National can talk about how offenders have to do community work and get an education before they can have a clean slate. This is policy formulation by rest home focus groups.

The proposal discloses a profound lack of understanding of the way the Youth Court works. I hope the media pick up National on this.

As for the “young serious offender” classification I cannot imagine anything more dangerous.

If this was brought in it would create a contest. Some young people would fall over themselves to make it onto this list. It would be a categorisation they would be proud of. I am surprised there is not already a YSO gang.

Out west there may be 10 slots on this list. I could probably name the leading contenders. Already they are either in custody or subject to significant limitations on their freedom. The authorities know who they are. The categorisation will add nothing to resolving their situation or treating their problems.

The proposal has been around for a while. And it raises significant legal issues. Why should number 151 on the list enjoy greater rights than number 150? And the powers if granted would completely undermine any prospect of rehabilitation.

This feels like a gimmicky meme masquerading as a policy.

It will only affect poor marginalised kids as this analysis by Katie Bruce shows. Her conclusion is well put:

It is important that we recognise that this policy is not designed to treat people equally. Instead it targets children already marginalised by our society.

It is setting kids up to fail – those who are already experiencing a tough start in life, and those who are already more likely to be targeted by state intervention because of their history or their ethnicity.

This is not fair and it’s not just.

We need to wholeheartedly reject this policy and demand better for all of our children.

It is incredible that National should be praising the work of the Youth Court and especially Rangatahi Courts but then propose changes that will undermine the good results that have achieved.

The proposal for Education Officers is a good one. It has been happening at Waitakere for years and yes we have Education Officers attending Family Group Conferences regularly.

There is a lot of other matters I could refer to, particularly the tough on gangs Strike Force Raptor rhetoric as well as the linking of parole to obtaining numeracy and literacy qualifications.

National has form for engaging in strange law changes so they can wind up the rhetoric, even if the changes breach fundamental rights. It is a shame really. Bill English famously conceded that prisons were a moral and fiscal failure but his view clearly is no longer fashionable in National’s caucus.

National and Bridges are happy to engage in sound bite policies that make no sense and will not work. Shame on them.

Jacinda Ardern says Labour is 'not a perfect organisation' in party conference speech

Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern has opened the annual Labour conference by addressing the problems the party has had with serious allegations in the last two years.

Ardern said the party had not been a perfect organisation and had serious work to do to put its members ahead of any political problems.

"We are not a perfect organisation. This year we have all been on a journey and we have learnt some incredibly "We know we have work to do and we are doing it," she said.lessons," Ardern said at the event in Whanganui.


"We may be a political organisation but that should not be the lens we use to treat our members. People first - politics second."

"We know we have work to do and we are doing it," she said.

The party was rocked by a serious allegation of sexual assault made against a staffer earlier this year. Two reviews - one into the alleged assault and another into the party's response to it - are expected to return in December.

The event was opened with a pōwhiri and address by Whanganui Mayor Hamish McDouall - a cousin of Ardern.

Ardern completed a version of her viral "achievements in two minutes" video during her speech to applause.

Hundreds of Labour members have descended on Whanganui for the three-day annual conference, where the party will elect a new president and is expected to make two major announcements.

During the conference, MP Poto Williams will hold a workshop session titled 'creating a safe and inclusive Party'.

According to the Labour Party, it will focus on how members and electorate groups can keep volunteers in a large organisation involved and motivated, and safe.

The session will identify when things are not safe and how to raise concerns and what to do when something happens.

There will be examples of where electorate groups have put into play best practice.

MPs and party members will also be talking through the new policies and processes that have been implemented by the party after recent events. Those attending will also be told how to identify scenarios and ask questions about this.

This is expected to be the first in a series of discussions about ensuring a positive culture in Labour.

Dark wrote:Jacinda pleads to teenagers joining the Labour Party doesn't mean they will automatically be sexually assaulted by lefty weirdos

Dudes name is being unsupressed soon. And it will be very funny watching Jacinda's response

Jacinda Ardern says Labour is 'not a perfect organisation' in party conference speech

Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern has opened the annual Labour conference by addressing the problems the party has had with serious allegations in the last two years.

Ardern said the party had not been a perfect organisation and had serious work to do to put its members ahead of any political problems.

"We are not a perfect organisation. This year we have all been on a journey and we have learnt some incredibly "We know we have work to do and we are doing it," she said.lessons," Ardern said at the event in Whanganui.


"We may be a political organisation but that should not be the lens we use to treat our members. People first - politics second."

"We know we have work to do and we are doing it," she said.

The party was rocked by a serious allegation of sexual assault made against a staffer earlier this year. Two reviews - one into the alleged assault and another into the party's response to it - are expected to return in December.

The event was opened with a pōwhiri and address by Whanganui Mayor Hamish McDouall - a cousin of Ardern.

Ardern completed a version of her viral "achievements in two minutes" video during her speech to applause.

Hundreds of Labour members have descended on Whanganui for the three-day annual conference, where the party will elect a new president and is expected to make two major announcements.

During the conference, MP Poto Williams will hold a workshop session titled 'creating a safe and inclusive Party'.

According to the Labour Party, it will focus on how members and electorate groups can keep volunteers in a large organisation involved and motivated, and safe.

The session will identify when things are not safe and how to raise concerns and what to do when something happens.

There will be examples of where electorate groups have put into play best practice.

MPs and party members will also be talking through the new policies and processes that have been implemented by the party after recent events. Those attending will also be told how to identify scenarios and ask questions about this.

This is expected to be the first in a series of discussions about ensuring a positive culture in Labour.

Harvey2.0 wrote:

Dark wrote:Jacinda pleads to teenagers joining the Labour Party doesn't mean they will automatically be sexually assaulted by lefty weirdos

Dudes name is being unsupressed soon. And it will be very funny watching Jacinda's response

Jacinda Ardern says Labour is 'not a perfect organisation' in party conference speech

Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern has opened the annual Labour conference by addressing the problems the party has had with serious allegations in the last two years.

Ardern said the party had not been a perfect organisation and had serious work to do to put its members ahead of any political problems.

"We are not a perfect organisation. This year we have all been on a journey and we have learnt some incredibly "We know we have work to do and we are doing it," she said.lessons," Ardern said at the event in Whanganui.


"We may be a political organisation but that should not be the lens we use to treat our members. People first - politics second."

"We know we have work to do and we are doing it," she said.

The party was rocked by a serious allegation of sexual assault made against a staffer earlier this year. Two reviews - one into the alleged assault and another into the party's response to it - are expected to return in December.

The event was opened with a pōwhiri and address by Whanganui Mayor Hamish McDouall - a cousin of Ardern.

Ardern completed a version of her viral "achievements in two minutes" video during her speech to applause.

Hundreds of Labour members have descended on Whanganui for the three-day annual conference, where the party will elect a new president and is expected to make two major announcements.

During the conference, MP Poto Williams will hold a workshop session titled 'creating a safe and inclusive Party'.

According to the Labour Party, it will focus on how members and electorate groups can keep volunteers in a large organisation involved and motivated, and safe.

The session will identify when things are not safe and how to raise concerns and what to do when something happens.

There will be examples of where electorate groups have put into play best practice.

MPs and party members will also be talking through the new policies and processes that have been implemented by the party after recent events. Those attending will also be told how to identify scenarios and ask questions about this.

This is expected to be the first in a series of discussions about ensuring a positive culture in Labour.

Which one of labours sexual assaulters is getting name suppression removed ?

The one at the grooming camp got permanent name suppression , I'm sure the judge being Michael Cullens brother in law and his sister being a former labour mp has nothing at all to do with that decision.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anne_Fraser
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/hawkes-bay-t ... d=11081952

How will you vote? Law to legalise personal cannabis revealed

A draft law that could legalise the personal use of cannabis has been unveiled by the Government.

Personal possession of 14 grams of cannabis, the sale of cannabis edibles, and growing up to four cannabis plants per household, could become legal in New Zealand.

The public will now be asked to vote "yes or no" on the Cannabis Legalisation and Control Bill at the 2020 general election. Justice Minister Andrew Little on Tuesday revealed the bill, and a new government website to provide information on both the cannabis and End of Life Choice referendum being held in 2020.

If passed, the cannabis bill would allow cannabis to be consumed, sold, and purchased for recreational use, by people 20 years or older.

"The primary objective of the legislation is to reduce the overall cannabis use and limit the ability for young people to access cannabis," Little said.

Consumption would be restricted to personal homes and licensed premises, which will sell cannabis products of controlled potency.

Licensed cannabis growers will not be allowed to also have a licence to operate retail premises, to prevent any company from dominating the market.

Smoking on the beach will not be allowed, for instance. Online sales will also be illegal.

Home cultivation of two cannabis plants per person will be permitted. But no more than four plants can be grown in a household, regardless of how many people, 20-years or older, live in the home.

A regulatory authority will be created to mange the licensing system and control the potency of products, and it will be expected to work with any law enforcement agencies.

Having a criminal conviction will not prevent a person from having a licence to sell cannabis.

Cannabis possession and purchase will be limited to 14 grams maximum. Cannabis consumers will be able to "socially share" the drug in quantities of the same amount.

Little said he had received advice that 14 grams was the amount a regular user would consume during a week.

Little said the referendum would be binding, meaning a government would have to enact the result of the 2020 vote, however this has been contested.

The referendum will be "indicative", meaning the Government-of-the-day would have to support it through the parliamentary process.

This meant any new Government after the 2020 election could decide to ignore a "yes" vote.

On Tuesday, Little said the first cross-party meeting on the bill would happen later this week.

The Green Party negotiated the referendum during Confidence and Supply Talks to form the Government.

Green Party drug reform spokesperson Chlöe Swarbrick said: "In this proposed law, you'll find a focus on reducing access to young people, on education and increasing support for intervention in problematic use."

National Party leader Simon Bridges has said he would not personally vote for legalisation, and the party would not commit to enacting the outcome of a referendum.

Harvey2.0 wrote:Yet another victim of labour’s rape culture talks about how the party threw her under the bus .

https://thespinoff.co.nz/society/05-12- ... -the-news/

Tehui wrote:Well, this cartoon in the Otago Daily Times has certainly created a lot of controversy.

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/404 ... ing-review

Spoiler: show

jambanja wrote:

Tehui wrote:Well, this cartoon in the Otago Daily Times has certainly created a lot of controversy.

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/404 ... ing-review

Spoiler: show

While i think it was a terrible cartoon all things considered, could someone please point out the racism, all the rags in NZ have been calling it a racist cartoon and i just don't see it

jambanja wrote:

Tehui wrote:Well, this cartoon in the Otago Daily Times has certainly created a lot of controversy.

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/404 ... ing-review

Spoiler: show

While i think it was a terrible cartoon all things considered, could someone please point out the racism, all the rags in NZ have been calling it a racist cartoon and i just don't see it

Santa wrote:This is quite funny. Not just for the screw up but because the week was called a week of delivery (by the journalist) and what did they deliver? Policy. They haven't delivered much more than policy in this whole term.

https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/politics ... relessness

Dark wrote:

Santa wrote:This is quite funny. Not just for the screw up but because the week was called a week of delivery (by the journalist) and what did they deliver? Policy. They haven't delivered much more than policy in this whole term.

https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/politics ... relessness

Ardern called it the year of delivery actually

Which makes it even funnier