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Remember when I said the imbalanced road funding might be an issue for some? These folk have a busy section of State Highway one going through the middle of their town.

Woodend community sends message with impassioned bypass protest

Protesters spilled out on to SH1 and blocked traffic to highlight the need for a bypass around their North Canterbury town.

Supporters of the Woodend bypass took the action to street in a literal sense on Sunday at an event aimed at signalling its importance to the small community.

The town is split in two by the highway and latest traffic volumes indicate there has been a 20 per cent increase over the past two years, to about 20,000 vehicles daily.

The bypass has not been taken off the table altogether, but the New Zealand Transport Agency (NZTA) said it was not likely to eventuate in the next 10 years.

Bypass proponents, including Waimakariri MP Matt Doocey, had been buoyed by the Government's announcement of a funding injection for roading last year, hoping the project would be back on the short-term agenda.

However, they were left disappointed when the money was allocated elsewhere. Doocey organised the public rally to send a message to the Government the community would not give up the fight.

He had a stream of residents telling him they did not feel safe with their children crossing the highway to get to school, and businesses were telling him customers were no longer stopping because it was not safe to park or pull out again.

Woodend School sits on the main road and its principal, Adrienne Simpson, said her priority was student safety.

"There are always long waits and [students] are never sure if [vehicles] are going to stop, even if they put their hand out," she said.

"We need the bypass and the safety improvements."

Mark Paterson, a lifelong resident of the area and chair of the Make SH1 Safer Committee, said for the past 14 years he had taken his three children to school every day because of safety concerns.

"Does someone have to die on our roads before we get something done?"

Waimakariri mayor Dan Gordon confirmed Transport Minister Phil Twyford had agreed to meet with him.

Gordon said while the meeting would be in Wellington, he would ensure Twyford was aware community and council were strongly in favour of the bypass.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/news/ ... ss-protest

I don’t see an early election being called but this is at odds with what Eugenius is claiming so I urge him to get in touch with newshub and set them straight.

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics ... ntist.html

@FOG - yet another cyclist died in an accident on SH2 between Ngauranga and Petone a couple of weeks back. Still not enough to accelerate the Harbourside cycle way in the infrastructure announcement and a significant number of cyclists have died on that stretch over the years. Given deaths are given primacy in the crappy BCR analysis that NZTA do, I’m amazed that cycle way isn’t coming up as priority #1. Fewer votes in cycling though of course.

Gordon Bennett wrote:@FOG - yet another cyclist died in an accident on SH2 between Ngauranga and Petone a couple of weeks back. Still not enough to accelerate the Harbourside cycle way in the infrastructure announcement and a significant number of cyclists have died on that stretch over the years. Given deaths are given primacy in the crappy BCR analysis that NZTA do, I’m amazed that cycle way isn’t coming up as priority #1. Fewer votes in cycling though of course.

At Placemakers and Carters in Ngauranga theres a lot of near misses and from what I've heard an accident or two a month depending on the time of year where someone is knocked off their bike. I'm sure it's similar for other businesses along that stretch of road that open early and have traffic coming and going into the cycle lane . I'm very surprised no one has died there yet.

Yes. It’s tricky there. I very occasionally cycle to work - I’m more of a mountain biker than road cyclist, and I always feel uncomfortable on that section. I’m also one of the rare people that uses the shitty existing cycle way on SH2 as I don’t want to place my trust in the average Kiwi driver. Probably cycle about 5 times a year at the very most and then regret it about halfway between Petone and Thornton Quay!

[quote="Gordon Bennett"]@FOG - yet another cyclist died in an accident on SH2 between Ngauranga and Petone a couple of weeks back. Still not enough to accelerate the Harbourside cycle way in the infrastructure announcement and a significant number of cyclists have died on that stretch over the years. Given deaths are given primacy in the crappy BCR analysis that NZTA do, I’m amazed that cycle way isn’t coming up as priority #1. Fewer votes in cycling though of course.[/quote]

Safety doesn't seem to be weighted as heavily as I would like in the calculations. The Christchurch to Ashburton road was mentioned in an earlier story as the 2nd most dangerous in the country but seems a long way down the priority list.

It's not a new thing. I remember being possed off by Southern road projects not being high in the list on many occasions in the past. An Auckland cousin of mine didn't think I should be annoyed as we apparently "didn't have any traffic " compared to the Auckland roading projects that were being funded instead. When I pointed out that they were roads that regularly killed people she just gave me a blank look. I think perhaps those doing the calculations have the same blind spot.

Gordon Bennett wrote:Yes. It’s tricky there. I very occasionally cycle to work - I’m more of a mountain biker than road cyclist, and I always feel uncomfortable on that section. I’m also one of the rare people that uses the shitty existing cycle way on SH2 as I don’t want to place my trust in the average Kiwi driver. Probably cycle about 5 times a year at the very most and then regret it about halfway between Petone and Thornton Quay!

I find riding a bike in NZ terrifying. Yet I love it when we visit friends in the Netherlands. Better infrastructure and a culture where almost every driver is also a cyclist.

Gordon Bennett wrote:Yes. It’s tricky there. I very occasionally cycle to work - I’m more of a mountain biker than road cyclist, and I always feel uncomfortable on that section. I’m also one of the rare people that uses the shitty existing cycle way on SH2 as I don’t want to place my trust in the average Kiwi driver. Probably cycle about 5 times a year at the very most and then regret it about halfway between Petone and Thornton Quay!

I don't blame you. Its nerve wracking just seeing the cyclists on the way to work.

Fat Old Git wrote:

Gordon Bennett wrote:Yes. It’s tricky there. I very occasionally cycle to work - I’m more of a mountain biker than road cyclist, and I always feel uncomfortable on that section. I’m also one of the rare people that uses the shitty existing cycle way on SH2 as I don’t want to place my trust in the average Kiwi driver. Probably cycle about 5 times a year at the very most and then regret it about halfway between Petone and Thornton Quay!

I find riding a bike in NZ terrifying. Yet I love it when we visit friends in the Netherlands. Better infrastructure and a culture where almost every driver is also a cyclist.

Its an interesting story about how that happened, total cultural change. Even little things like the Ducth reach can make a huge difference

https://www.theguardian.com/cities/2015 ... indermoord

Dutch reach [safe for work ]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GzIf80eSfCg

Gordon Bennett wrote:@FOG - yet another cyclist died in an accident on SH2 between Ngauranga and Petone a couple of weeks back. Still not enough to accelerate the Harbourside cycle way in the infrastructure announcement and a significant number of cyclists have died on that stretch over the years. Given deaths are given primacy in the crappy BCR analysis that NZTA do, I’m amazed that cycle way isn’t coming up as priority #1. Fewer votes in cycling though of course.

I'm confused (which is not unusual), but there already is a cycle way.

Dark wrote:

Gordon Bennett wrote:@FOG - yet another cyclist died in an accident on SH2 between Ngauranga and Petone a couple of weeks back. Still not enough to accelerate the Harbourside cycle way in the infrastructure announcement and a significant number of cyclists have died on that stretch over the years. Given deaths are given primacy in the crappy BCR analysis that NZTA do, I’m amazed that cycle way isn’t coming up as priority #1. Fewer votes in cycling though of course.

I'm confused (which is not unusual), but there already is a cycle way.

I was on my way home from work today, rush hour on 2 lane road, that has a concrete barrier and then a cycle way on the other side of the barrier but where was the cyclist...that’s right on the road
And they wonder why they keep coming second in cyclist vs car confrontations, I’m all for giving them room but ffs

Dark wrote:

Gordon Bennett wrote:@FOG - yet another cyclist died in an accident on SH2 between Ngauranga and Petone a couple of weeks back. Still not enough to accelerate the Harbourside cycle way in the infrastructure announcement and a significant number of cyclists have died on that stretch over the years. Given deaths are given primacy in the crappy BCR analysis that NZTA do, I’m amazed that cycle way isn’t coming up as priority #1. Fewer votes in cycling though of course.

I'm confused (which is not unusual), but there already is a cycle way.

The cycle way that exists is usually full of vehicle detritus which kill road bike tyres. Not a problem for me on my mountain bike, which is why I use it. Also, it’s really only one way as there’s a missing kilometre at the Petone end. This means if you head North using it, you’re cycling against the traffic. It’s awful. So, Northbound the cyclist is supposed to stick to the very narrow bike lane on the Northbound SH2 carriageway. One tiny mistake from cyclist or driver and you’re dead. The plan which has been worked on for a decade is a new cycle way on the harbour side of the railway. The added benefit is additional protection from washouts for the railway. It really is a no brainer. Despite this, I don’t see Chris Bishop fighting for it like Melling.

Fat Old Git wrote:

Gordon Bennett wrote:Yes. It’s tricky there. I very occasionally cycle to work - I’m more of a mountain biker than road cyclist, and I always feel uncomfortable on that section. I’m also one of the rare people that uses the shitty existing cycle way on SH2 as I don’t want to place my trust in the average Kiwi driver. Probably cycle about 5 times a year at the very most and then regret it about halfway between Petone and Thornton Quay!

I find riding a bike in NZ terrifying.

I don't ride bikes anymore, unless it's on a designated bike track. The roads are too narrow, and a lot of drivers don't give a sh!t about anyone but themselves.

Tehui wrote:

Fat Old Git wrote:

Gordon Bennett wrote:Yes. It’s tricky there. I very occasionally cycle to work - I’m more of a mountain biker than road cyclist, and I always feel uncomfortable on that section. I’m also one of the rare people that uses the shitty existing cycle way on SH2 as I don’t want to place my trust in the average Kiwi driver. Probably cycle about 5 times a year at the very most and then regret it about halfway between Petone and Thornton Quay!

I find riding a bike in NZ terrifying.

I don't ride bikes anymore, unless it's on a designated bike track. The roads are too narrow, and a lot of drivers don't give a sh!t about anyone but themselves.

While I agree re the drivers, cyclists aren’t exactly blameless themselves, read my earlier post

Harvey2.0 wrote:

Gordon Bennett wrote:@FOG - yet another cyclist died in an accident on SH2 between Ngauranga and Petone a couple of weeks back. Still not enough to accelerate the Harbourside cycle way in the infrastructure announcement and a significant number of cyclists have died on that stretch over the years. Given deaths are given primacy in the crappy BCR analysis that NZTA do, I’m amazed that cycle way isn’t coming up as priority #1. Fewer votes in cycling though of course.

At Placemakers and Carters in Ngauranga theres a lot of near misses and from what I've heard an accident or two a month depending on the time of year where someone is knocked off their bike. I'm sure it's similar for other businesses along that stretch of road that open early and have traffic coming and going into the cycle lane . I'm very surprised no one has died there yet.

I'm not surprised, I was there today filling up at the Waitomo station. If you're turning across the cycle lane from the northbound lane there's f'all gaps in the southbound lane so I could easily see someone hurrying through a gap and missing a cyclist on the 'footpath'.

jambanja wrote:

Tehui wrote:

Fat Old Git wrote:

Gordon Bennett wrote:Yes. It’s tricky there. I very occasionally cycle to work - I’m more of a mountain biker than road cyclist, and I always feel uncomfortable on that section. I’m also one of the rare people that uses the shitty existing cycle way on SH2 as I don’t want to place my trust in the average Kiwi driver. Probably cycle about 5 times a year at the very most and then regret it about halfway between Petone and Thornton Quay!

I find riding a bike in NZ terrifying.

I don't ride bikes anymore, unless it's on a designated bike track. The roads are too narrow, and a lot of drivers don't give a sh!t about anyone but themselves.

While I agree re the drivers, cyclists aren’t exactly blameless themselves, read my earlier post

I get that. But having been both a cyclist and a driver, I still stand by my statement that a lot of drivers don't give a sh!t about cyclists (even the safe cyclists). If you don't believe me, get on your bike and experience it yourself.

Gordon Bennett wrote:

Dark wrote:

Gordon Bennett wrote:@FOG - yet another cyclist died in an accident on SH2 between Ngauranga and Petone a couple of weeks back. Still not enough to accelerate the Harbourside cycle way in the infrastructure announcement and a significant number of cyclists have died on that stretch over the years. Given deaths are given primacy in the crappy BCR analysis that NZTA do, I’m amazed that cycle way isn’t coming up as priority #1. Fewer votes in cycling though of course.

I'm confused (which is not unusual), but there already is a cycle way.

The cycle way that exists is usually full of vehicle detritus which kill road bike tyres. Not a problem for me on my mountain bike, which is why I use it. Also, it’s really only one way as there’s a missing kilometre at the Petone end. This means if you head North using it, you’re cycling against the traffic. It’s awful. So, Northbound the cyclist is supposed to stick to the very narrow bike lane on the Northbound SH2 carriageway. One tiny mistake from cyclist or driver and you’re dead. The plan which has been worked on for a decade is a new cycle way on the harbour side of the railway. The added benefit is additional protection from washouts for the railway. It really is a no brainer. Despite this, I don’t see Chris Bishop fighting for it like Melling.

Fair call, but she is a shitload less dangerous and annoying than people biking on the motorway.

Off topic ,but when I was younger I decided on a weird whim to cycle from Chch to Bluff solo on a racing bike.

Must have gone through about 20 tubes. Our roads are atrocious. Had some scary moments.

Changed to mountain bike after that.

I don’t disagree - I’m never going to willingly be cycling on a dual carriageway, but Ngauranga to Petone, you really have to (Petone to Ngauranga not so much) and it is a daunting and occasionally terrifying experience.

My point was that a significant number of people have died on that route, deaths are a key component of the NZTA BCR calculation, but still $5+bn of roading projects where few deaths occur and with terrible BCRs (Otaki to Levin, I’m looking at you) get preferred. Not just Canterbury missing out, common sense is missing out too - from both main parties.

Jay Cee Gee wrote:

Harvey2.0 wrote:

Gordon Bennett wrote:@FOG - yet another cyclist died in an accident on SH2 between Ngauranga and Petone a couple of weeks back. Still not enough to accelerate the Harbourside cycle way in the infrastructure announcement and a significant number of cyclists have died on that stretch over the years. Given deaths are given primacy in the crappy BCR analysis that NZTA do, I’m amazed that cycle way isn’t coming up as priority #1. Fewer votes in cycling though of course.

At Placemakers and Carters in Ngauranga theres a lot of near misses and from what I've heard an accident or two a month depending on the time of year where someone is knocked off their bike. I'm sure it's similar for other businesses along that stretch of road that open early and have traffic coming and going into the cycle lane . I'm very surprised no one has died there yet.

I'm not surprised, I was there today filling up at the Waitomo station. If you're turning across the cycle lane from the northbound lane there's f'all gaps in the southbound lane so I could easily see someone hurrying through a gap and missing a cyclist on the 'footpath'.

That's exactly my fear when I'm going in and out of any business there.

Am I the only one wondering why the new cheap one couldn't be arsed putting some cover on for if it rains?

I mean geezes, I get you can charge less for no staff or shop but a bit of forward thinking.

Dark wrote:Am I the only one wondering why the new cheap one couldn't be arsed putting some cover on for if it rains?

I mean geezes, I get you can charge less for no staff or shop but a bit of forward thinking.

They have someone working there, so that makes it even more weird.

Sad to see the back of Sarah Dowie. Never one to shy away from the tough jobs. She always had her hands full and was never afraid to get down on her hands and knees and get dirty. Some other losers are also standing down from National but they're hardly relevant.

Kahu wrote:Sad to see the back of Sarah Dowie. Never one to shy away from the tough jobs. She always had her hands full and was never afraid to get down on her hands and knees and get dirty. Some other losers are also standing down from National but they're hardly relevant.

Nice work.

ty ty

Though it remains to be seen who their replacements are I think this will only strengthen National. Other than pissing people off, I'm not to sure what Carter, Dowie and Wagner will be remembered for.

Kahu wrote:Sad to see the back of Sarah Dowie. Never one to shy away from the tough jobs. She always had her hands full and was never afraid to get down on her hands and knees and get dirty. Some other losers are also standing down from National but they're hardly relevant.

You are a very evil poster

Gordon Bennett wrote:Yes. It’s tricky there. I very occasionally cycle to work - I’m more of a mountain biker than road cyclist, and I always feel uncomfortable on that section. I’m also one of the rare people that uses the shitty existing cycle way on SH2 as I don’t want to place my trust in the average Kiwi driver. Probably cycle about 5 times a year at the very most and then regret it about halfway between Petone and Thornton Quay!

I'd love to cycle to work but there's no fudge way I'm going down Ngaio gorge or Wadestown hill in traffic, there's no real cost effective way to make either route safe either so guess what I do?

Take the train like every other chump.

And you know what really fucks me off? Getting on a peak hour train with standing room only and seeing some wanker's bike wasting four seats. I seriously want to smack those wit kant in the head.

Harvey2.0 wrote:

Dark wrote:

eugenius wrote:He’ll be hard pressed to best Simple Simons buddies already charged.

‘ I knew nothing ‘.

Think you will find the only one in the nats being nabbed for stuff is the dodgy bullying fragile one who is no longer a nat MP.



the left like him though

No, no, Eugenius obviously has the inside word and he's going to tell us what National did and how their breeches of electoral law are worse than NZ firsts, which laws they broke and the amounts involved in both cases.

Unless........

Three Nats have been charged .
How many NZfirsts ?
My money is that the Tory trifecta will win it if only by a proverbial nose .

Not a fan of racing Winnie , but the sheer hypocrisy of the Nats !!!!


Counting on the lack of voter memory and leaderships sense of practised entitlement.

Let’s not mention the attack ads , found in breach of advertising standards ( a pretty low bar it must be said) , dodgy graphs and all .

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.newshu ... e.amp.html


Sorry four !

Simon is of course completely unaware of such activity.

I saw they were done for misleading advertising. Left the ad up during the appeal process too (7 months). Disappointing.

eugenius wrote:

Harvey2.0 wrote:

Dark wrote:

eugenius wrote:He’ll be hard pressed to best Simple Simons buddies already charged.

‘ I knew nothing ‘.

Think you will find the only one in the nats being nabbed for stuff is the dodgy bullying fragile one who is no longer a nat MP.



the left like him though

No, no, Eugenius obviously has the inside word and he's going to tell us what National did and how their breeches of electoral law are worse than NZ firsts, which laws they broke and the amounts involved in both cases.

Unless........

Three Nats have been charged .
How many NZfirsts ?
My money is that the Tory trifecta will win it if only by a proverbial nose .

Not a fan of racing Winnie , but the sheer hypocrisy of the Nats !!!!


Counting on the lack of voter memory and leaderships sense of practised entitlement.

Let’s not mention the attack ads , found in breach of advertising standards ( a pretty low bar it must be said) , dodgy graphs and all .

That link you posted as evidence actually proves you don't have a clue what you are talking about as it doesn't say anyone in the National party in fact it says National hasn't been charged with anything or that the allegations are on the scale of anything like the NZ first foundation.

Can you actually confirm the allegations about the donations to National are worse than NZ First setting up the NZ first foundation and lying to donors by pretending the foundation and party were the same thing so they could hide over $500000 of donations in the past two years? You know the NZ first president resigned when he found out because he would have had to sign off the donations and that would have made him part of the fraud don't you Eug?
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics ... tions.html
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politi ... al-reasons

The jassiah couldn't say she trusted Winston at a press conference until the next day when her comms team decided that not saying she trusts him was a worse look than saying she did. https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics ... tions.html

Also last year when Winston was in hospital having part of his lung removed there was a bit of jostling among the party for position if he was too sick to come back and someone got their nose out of joint and the leaks from NZ first have been coming out on a fairly regular basis so there's still a lot more about the shady dealing within the party to come out .
https://thespinoff.co.nz/politics/09-10 ... eadership/

Anyway lets just imagine Eugenius is in the stop motion action scene pioneered by the Wachowski sisters in the matrix and he paused frozen in mid air while the camera pans around him and he examines his options

Quote the whole post with a smiley face emoji
Ignore my post because he doesn't have a leg to stand on
Try and find some incredibly tenuous angle to gnaw away at as a deflection

Or the obvious one in a million, admit he was talking out of his arse and his default setting of All Gnat=bad has resulted in industrial grade cognitive dissonance when it comes to anything that makes Labour look bad.

I'll leave the final word to Martin Bradbury who says theres shades of 2008 and the great charlatan has the ability to drag down Labour by association once again, https://thedailyblog.co.nz/2020/02/10/l ... -nz-first/

Isn't speculating on who has or hasn't been charged in relation to the SFO investigation a breach of the suppression order and therefore a criminal act?

Kahu wrote: ty ty

Though it remains to be seen who their replacements are I think this will only strengthen National. Other than pissing people off, I'm not to sure what Carter, Dowie and Wagner will be remembered for.

Similarly, I suspect National would be better off if Nick Smith f**ked off into retirement.

National certainly seem more effective at biffing their dead wood. Both parties have plenty of it to get rid of.

Gordon Bennett wrote:

Kahu wrote: ty ty

Though it remains to be seen who their replacements are I think this will only strengthen National. Other than pissing people off, I'm not to sure what Carter, Dowie and Wagner will be remembered for.

Similarly, I suspect National would be better off if Nick Smith f**ked off into retirement.

National certainly seem more effective at biffing their dead wood. Both parties have plenty of it to get rid of.

After the next election, all the MP's should be escorted into the beehive, shown their shiny new offices, and then the doors to the building should be locked. That way they will be safely contained for the next three years.

Kahu wrote:Sad to see the back of Sarah Dowie. Never one to shy away from the tough jobs. She always had her hands full and was never afraid to get down on her hands and knees and get dirty. Some other losers are also standing down from National but they're hardly relevant.

She was a self absorbed, lazy poly. The yarns I have about that woman. All sex, drugs and rock n roll, without the music.

mr bungle wrote:

Kahu wrote:Sad to see the back of Sarah Dowie. Never one to shy away from the tough jobs. She always had her hands full and was never afraid to get down on her hands and knees and get dirty. Some other losers are also standing down from National but they're hardly relevant.

She was a self absorbed, lazy poly. The yarns I have about that woman. All sex, drugs and rock n roll, without the music.

Yeah but you've gotta love that text.

“Before you interpret this as your usual narc self – don’t. Interpret it as me – you are a fucking ugly MotherFucking pig. Shave that fucking tuft of hair off your fucking front of skull head and own your baldness – you sweaty, fat, toe inturned mutant. You deserve to die and leave your children in peace and your wife out of torment – fucker!”

It really is something else

Fat Old Git wrote:

Gordon Bennett wrote:

Kahu wrote: ty ty

Though it remains to be seen who their replacements are I think this will only strengthen National. Other than pissing people off, I'm not to sure what Carter, Dowie and Wagner will be remembered for.

Similarly, I suspect National would be better off if Nick Smith f**ked off into retirement.

National certainly seem more effective at biffing their dead wood. Both parties have plenty of it to get rid of.

After the next election, all the MP's should be escorted into the beehive, shown their shiny new offices, and then the doors to the building should be locked. That way they will be safely contained for the next three years.

I've got good and bad news, FOG.

The bad news is that there's nowhere near enough room for 130 MPs and staff in the Beehive offices, which is why Bowen House and Parliament House are used.

The good news is that such a plan could create a Lord of the Flies situation. I'm all in on that.

BillW wrote:

mr bungle wrote:

Kahu wrote:Sad to see the back of Sarah Dowie. Never one to shy away from the tough jobs. She always had her hands full and was never afraid to get down on her hands and knees and get dirty. Some other losers are also standing down from National but they're hardly relevant.

She was a self absorbed, lazy poly. The yarns I have about that woman. All sex, drugs and rock n roll, without the music.

Yeah but you've gotta love that text.

“Before you interpret this as your usual narc self – don’t. Interpret it as me – you are a fucking ugly MotherFucking pig. Shave that fucking tuft of hair off your fucking front of skull head and own your baldness – you sweaty, fat, toe inturned mutant. You deserve to die and leave your children in peace and your wife out of torment – fucker!”

Magnificent rant.

Ghost-Of-Nepia wrote:

Fat Old Git wrote:

Gordon Bennett wrote:

Kahu wrote: ty ty

Though it remains to be seen who their replacements are I think this will only strengthen National. Other than pissing people off, I'm not to sure what Carter, Dowie and Wagner will be remembered for.

Similarly, I suspect National would be better off if Nick Smith f**ked off into retirement.

National certainly seem more effective at biffing their dead wood. Both parties have plenty of it to get rid of.

After the next election, all the MP's should be escorted into the beehive, shown their shiny new offices, and then the doors to the building should be locked. That way they will be safely contained for the next three years.

I've got good and bad news, FOG.

The bad news is that there's nowhere near enough room for 130 MPs and staff in the Beehive offices, which is why Bowen House and Parliament House are used.

The good news is that such a plan could create a Lord of the Flies situation. I'm all in on that.

We could live stream it. Would be at least as interesting as the big brother house.

Fat Old Git wrote:

Ghost-Of-Nepia wrote:

Fat Old Git wrote:

Gordon Bennett wrote:

Kahu wrote: ty ty

Though it remains to be seen who their replacements are I think this will only strengthen National. Other than pissing people off, I'm not to sure what Carter, Dowie and Wagner will be remembered for.

Similarly, I suspect National would be better off if Nick Smith f**ked off into retirement.

National certainly seem more effective at biffing their dead wood. Both parties have plenty of it to get rid of.

After the next election, all the MP's should be escorted into the beehive, shown their shiny new offices, and then the doors to the building should be locked. That way they will be safely contained for the next three years.

I've got good and bad news, FOG.

The bad news is that there's nowhere near enough room for 130 MPs and staff in the Beehive offices, which is why Bowen House and Parliament House are used.

The good news is that such a plan could create a Lord of the Flies situation. I'm all in on that.

We could live stream it. Would be at least as interesting as the big brother house.

Who would be last one standing? I'm betting on Judith Collins or Ron Mark.