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PostPosted: Thu Nov 14, 2019 9:29 am 
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Judith Collins is the opposite of woke. She's sailed into self parody there with a spinnaker set. Apparently her Twatter account is full of this sort of shit.


I wouldn't say she is bespoke. She is a normie.


Yeah total norm-core.


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Seymour hosting the feminist event at Parliament after Massey shat bricks again and caved like a bunch of triggered idiots.

Good

Massey has turned into a joke of an institution, pretending to be a uni.

He has had a good week with his work into the euthanasia bill making it pass and now this. Would never vote for him, but he seems to be the only politician around at moment with any gonads.

https://thespinoff.co.nz/society/14-11-2019/controversial-transphobic-event-feminism-2020-event-to-be-held-at-parliament/

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David Seymour to host controversial Feminism 2020 event in parliament

After Massey University in Wellington cancelled Feminism 2020 last month, the controversial event has found a new home in the parliament banquet hall.

UPDATE 2.30pm: David Seymour has confirmed that he is hosting Feminism 2020 in parliament. “After Massey University prevented Feminism 2020 from taking place on its Wellington campus, I agreed to host the event at Parliament,” he said in a statement. “Speak Up For Women has a right to conduct what is a legitimate debate without being subject to intimidation.”

The controversial Feminism 2020 event cancelled last month by Massey University is scheduled to be held instead in the parliamentary banquet hall this Friday night. Billed as “the feminists they don’t want you to hear, uncensored”, the event is presented by Speak Up For Women, a group that is outspoken in its criticism of what it calls “trans activism” and linked to a movement of people known as “trans-exclusionary radical feminists” or “terfs”.

Granting the group such a platform could only cause harm to an already vulnerable community, trans author Caitlin Spice said. The event set a “dangerous precedent”, she said, for future events to be hosted in parliament. “I think other groups who also have fringe or extremist views will want to use that venue as well to give them the same air of legitimacy – they’ve opened a real Pandora’s Box that could have serious repercussions for everyone.”

According to critics of the group spoken to by The Spinoff, the venue was booked for the group by Epsom MP and ACT leader David Seymour, who criticised the cancellation of the Massey event. When approached for confirmation, however, Seymour said, “the answer to your question is no”, before asking if The Spinoff was covering the passing of his End of Life Choice Bill.

Speak Up For Women rejects any characterisation of transphobia, describing itself as “a non-partisan organisation that exists to protect and advance the rights and interests of women and girls in New Zealand”. The website describes how the group was founded during a campaign against the self-ID amendment proposed to the births, deaths and marriages bill. The group is also opposed to the role of trans women in women’s sport, claiming “sport must be categorised by sex, not gender identity”.

The original event planned for Massey’s Wellington campus last month prompted a 6,000-strong petition calling for its cancellation. “The group advocate against trans rights and spread scaremongering misinformation about trans people,” the petition read. “By hosting the ‘Feminism 2020’ event Massey are providing a platform for hate and division to be spread here and make trans and queer people feel unsafe.”

The event was cancelled in October, with Massey citing health and safety concerns. Speak Up For Women characterised the event’s opponents as “extremists accusing us of hurting feelings while they’re actively encroaching on human rights”.

It has found a new home, however, in parliament’s largest function space. “The Banquet Hall is a semi-circular space designed to host state banquets and receptions,” its description reads. “Its considerable size makes it ideal for big events, seating up to 280 guests banquet style or up to 350 people in theatre style.”

The event is listed as taking place on Friday November 15. Other events being held in the parliamentary precinct include a wedding rehearsal and a mindfulness session.

The Speak Up For Women branding is disingenuous, said Spice. “They are using the women’s suffrage colours and the word feminism but, once again, if you look at their history, everything they’ve done has been around denying trans people’s rights. People need to look past the branding and ask what they actually represent, what they actually have done and who they are actually speaking for.”

Spokesperson for Speak Up For Women Ani’Obrien “strongly rejects” any accusations of transphobia. “We advocate for the retention of women’s existing sex-based rights and are resisting an ideology being written into policy and law,” she said. “A discussion needs to be had on balancing the rights of people who believe in gender with the rights of the material reality of females.”

Spice also said she believed the timing of the event during trans awareness week is deliberate, and that there are more productive ways to support the wellbeing of trans people in New Zealand. “Actually speak out against transphobia that you see and hear – especially in person,” she said. “Let people know that misgendering a trans person is not OK and saying horrible things about trans people is not OK. We are human beings and we have feelings.”

During a week dedicated to celebrating the trans community, Spice said she was focusing on the positives. “I think it’s important to remember that this is a very small group of people who won’t last the distance. I don’t think you can do anything to stop the inexorable march of human rights and that includes trans rights. They will become redundant, they will go away, and the lives of trans people in New Zealand will just get better and better.”




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 Post subject: Re: NZ Politics Thread
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Seneca of the Night wrote:
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Judith Collins is the opposite of woke. She's sailed into self parody there with a spinnaker set. Apparently her Twatter account is full of this sort of shit.


I wouldn't say she is bespoke. She is a normie.

Normie - NPC - Nudist Bodybuilder / Pontic Steppe Warrior … that's another journey many go on.

Yeah nah. Broke, woke, bespoke, become a bloke.


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No mention of the forestry ministry calling farmers red necks?


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https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/educat ... nt-records

Even though this story is not a political one, I thought it was a story worth mentioning. 53 :shock: final year Otago University medical students won't be graduating with their classmates next month, due to them falsifying work experience documents and taking an overseas holiday when they were supposed to be doing an internship. It makes you wonder how many current practicing medical doctors the University would catch out if they went back and investigated former students over the last 10 years.


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https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/education/117498784/otago-uni-finds-1-in-5-final-year-med-students-faked-work-placement-records

Even though this story is not a political one, I thought it was a story worth mentioning. 53 :shock: final year Otago University medical students won't be graduating with their classmates next month, due to them falsifying work experience documents and taking an overseas holiday when they were supposed to be doing an internship. It makes you wonder how many current practicing medical doctors the University would catch out if they went back and investigated former students over the last 10 years.

Fifty-three? Jaysus shite, that is disgraceful. And yes, a slow and through investigation of the internship evidence for recentish medical graduates is certainly called for since it would be a strange old thing if this year's cohort was the sole offender.

That said, there is likely to be a powerful and compelling temptation to not dig lest something horrible and embarrassing be found.


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Was always going to happen with this lot of soft cock Labour lites

We are about to buy Ihumātao for utterly no reason apart from to appease some moaning young people who disagree with their elders.

And for extra fun we are going to pay more than double what Fletchers did

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/40 ... o-buy-land

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Ihumātao: Crown considers loan for Auckland Council to buy land

Discussions are under way for Auckland Council to buy the disputed Ihumātao land in a bid to break the three-year deadlock.

Sources have told RNZ the Crown is considering loaning money to the council so it can purchase the land from Fletcher Residential, a wholly-owned subsidiary of Fletcher Building.

Fletcher is seeking $40 million for the property - more than double the $19m it paid in 2014.

RNZ understands the government is keen to get the controversial land dispute wrapped up by the new year to avoid it overshadowing the annual pilgrimage to Rātana and Waitangi.

Some commentators had speculated that Waikato-Tainui might purchase the land, but that prospect ground to a halt.

Finance Minister Grant Robertson is leading the talks around a resolution. In a statement to RNZ, he said the government was continuing efforts to find a solution that respected "all parties including the Crown, mana whenua and Fletchers".

"These matters are complex and are taking some time to work through, but all parties are working on negotiating a solution that satisfies everyone involved," he said.

Ihumātao is located next to the Ōtuataua Stonefields Historic Reserve in Māngere - home to New Zealand's earliest market gardens and a significant archaeological site on land considered wahi tapu, or sacred, by local hapū and iwi.

Heritage New Zealand announced this month it was considering expanding the borders of the Stonefields reserve to include the disputed land and increasing its status to the highest level of heritage recognition.

"Whatever recommendation is finally made by Heritage New Zealand will then go to Auckland Council for it to consider whether to change the land's current status," Mr Robertson told RNZ.

Even if the land's heritage status was increased, the status of the special housing area would remain intact, meaning the land could still be used to build papakāinga housing - homes designed by Māori for Māori.

Public submissions on the heritage status are open until 29 November with a final decision expected no later than the end of February.

Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern told Morning Report today: "The only thing I can confirm is since the king and kiingitanga handed to us some of the outcome of their work with mana whenua that we have been working really hard on finding a solution and that's work that's ongoing so I cannot confirm any final resolution, any details around anything beyond the fact that we in fact have remained involved in this issue since July and continue to work hard to find a solution.

"We've got a couple of principles here we are working to. One of course is the will and desire of mana whenua and the other, importantly, is not undermining the treaty ... the third of course is that Fletchers have gone into a development arrangement here in good faith and of course have development interests here too ... and I am confident we will find a way through, but again, I'm not going to speculate."

She said the Heritage New Zealand moves to extend greater protections to the land did change things but said that only affected what could happen on the land if Auckland Council took a series of particular steps.

Fletcher Building bought the land in 2014. Property records show the company paid $19 million, when the rateable value was $11.5m.

That same year, the government and Auckland Council designated 32 hectares adjacent to the Ōtuataua Stonefields Historic Reserve as a Special Housing Area (SHA).

Not long after, a group named Save Our Unique Landscape or SOUL - led by Pania Newton - voiced concern and promised to fight the housing development.

On 5 November 2016, about 20 community members started camping by the side of the road. A month later, the land was transferred to Fletcher Residential with the plan to build 480 houses at the site.

Some campaigners refused to leave, sleeping in caravans, sheds, tents and even an empty boat, but it was not till July this year that a groundswell of public support began to spring up for the SOUL movement after eviction notices were handed out to those occupying the village on 23 July.

By the next day, many more had flocked to Ihumātao and the police were called in, resulting in arrests.



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Peters being bad again.


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Don't worry Dork......it's just returning land that was probably confiscated years ago by some bent land acquirer......just be glad the original owners aren't charging loss of income, annual interest and fines for illegal confiscation......and look on the bright side.....a local business is making a killing, profit, etc....


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Peters being bad again.



Dodgiest dude in parliament since ' 79


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Don't worry Dork......it's just returning land that was probably confiscated years ago by some bent land acquirer......just be glad the original owners aren't charging loss of income, annual interest and fines for illegal confiscation......and look on the bright side.....a local business is making a killing, profit, etc....



It was agreed between Maori and the govt that private land would not be included in Waitangi dealings my rather slow friend.


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terangi48 wrote:
Don't worry Dork......it's just returning land that was probably confiscated years ago by some bent land acquirer......just be glad the original owners aren't charging loss of income, annual interest and fines for illegal confiscation......and look on the bright side.....a local business is making a killing, profit, etc....



It was agreed between Maori and the govt that private land would not be included in Waitangi dealings my rather slow friend.

Private land can be included in settlements after purchase by the Crown. This has always been the case.

Maori had no choice but to accept all Crown stipulations on how the Treaty process would work so "Maori agreed" is really a bit of BS.


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It's the definition of "Private Land" that can smell a bit.........how it was acquired....that's quite a lot of land to acquire in 19 years.....

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Don't worry Dork......it's just returning land that was probably confiscated years ago by some bent land acquirer......just be glad the original owners aren't charging loss of income, annual interest and fines for illegal confiscation......and look on the bright side.....a local business is making a killing, profit, etc....



It was agreed between Maori and the govt that private land would not be included in Waitangi dealings my rather slow friend.

Private land can be included in settlements after purchase by the Crown. This has always been the case.

Maori had no choice but to accept all Crown stipulations on how the Treaty process would work so "Maori agreed" is really a bit of BS.


The crown aren't buying it.

It looks like they are loaning (probably interest free) the 40 mill' to the Council who are buying it.


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An honorable decision then........


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It's the definition of "Private Land" that can smell a bit.........how it was acquired....that's quite a lot of land to acquire in 19 years.....

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Photographic map of land ownership in NZ 4.544 billion years ago

I win. Bad luck

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An honorable decision then........



Why?

I doubt very much they are giving it back

Think they well just leave it as it is and the legally recognised representative Iwi elders don't get any land back instead of the 25% that Fletchers were going to give them, or any houses.


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An honorable decision then........



Why?

I doubt very much they are giving it back

Think they well just leave it as it is and the legally recognised representative Iwi elders don't get any land back instead of the 25% that Fletchers were going to give them, or any houses.


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Dark wrote:
UncleFB wrote:
Dark wrote:
terangi48 wrote:
Don't worry Dork......it's just returning land that was probably confiscated years ago by some bent land acquirer......just be glad the original owners aren't charging loss of income, annual interest and fines for illegal confiscation......and look on the bright side.....a local business is making a killing, profit, etc....



It was agreed between Maori and the govt that private land would not be included in Waitangi dealings my rather slow friend.

Private land can be included in settlements after purchase by the Crown. This has always been the case.

Maori had no choice but to accept all Crown stipulations on how the Treaty process would work so "Maori agreed" is really a bit of BS.


The crown aren't buying it.

It looks like they are loaning (probably interest free) the 40 mill' to the Council who are buying it.

So in that case this sits out of the Waitangi process so any "agreement" between Maori and the Crown to not include private land at that stage is irrelevant then?


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Smiles at Darks pic......cool likeness of yourself......and your ancient ( 4.544 billion) year old ideas....onya


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Was always going to happen with this lot of soft cock Labour lites

We are about to buy Ihumātao for utterly no reason apart from to appease some moaning young people who disagree with their elders.


You conveniently fail to mention the land was stolen by the Crown. Not bought. Stolen. Like 95% of New Zealand.


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Tehui wrote:
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Was always going to happen with this lot of soft cock Labour lites

We are about to buy Ihumātao for utterly no reason apart from to appease some moaning young people who disagree with their elders.


You conveniently fail to mention the land was stolen by the Crown. Not bought. Stolen. Like 95% of New Zealand.



It has nothing to do with convenience. It was just not repeating what has already been said about 20 times on this thread, but if you want to get all pedantic all good.

You conveniently fail to mention that is why we have the Waitangi Tribunal


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Dark wrote:
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Was always going to happen with this lot of soft cock Labour lites

We are about to buy Ihumātao for utterly no reason apart from to appease some moaning young people who disagree with their elders.


You conveniently fail to mention the land was stolen by the Crown. Not bought. Stolen. Like 95% of New Zealand.



It has nothing to do with convenience. It was just not repeating what has already been said about 20 times on this thread, but if you want to get all pedantic all good.

You conveniently fail to mention that is why we have the Waitangi Tribunal


We Maori have all the emotion cards in this game my friend. You can do nothing.


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Dark wrote:
Tehui wrote:
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Was always going to happen with this lot of soft cock Labour lites

We are about to buy Ihumātao for utterly no reason apart from to appease some moaning young people who disagree with their elders.


You conveniently fail to mention the land was stolen by the Crown. Not bought. Stolen. Like 95% of New Zealand.



It has nothing to do with convenience. It was just not repeating what has already been said about 20 times on this thread, but if you want to get all pedantic all good.

You conveniently fail to mention that is why we have the Waitangi Tribunal


Tell us what you know about the Waitangi Tribunal without googling anything.


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Tehui wrote:
Dark wrote:
Was always going to happen with this lot of soft cock Labour lites

We are about to buy Ihumātao for utterly no reason apart from to appease some moaning young people who disagree with their elders.


You conveniently fail to mention the land was stolen by the Crown. Not bought. Stolen. Like 95% of New Zealand.



It has nothing to do with convenience. It was just not repeating what has already been said about 20 times on this thread, but if you want to get all pedantic all good.

You conveniently fail to mention that is why we have the Waitangi Tribunal


We Maori have all the emotion cards in this game my friend. You can do nothing.


Lol

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Tehui wrote:
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/education/117498784/otago-uni-finds-1-in-5-final-year-med-students-faked-work-placement-records

Even though this story is not a political one, I thought it was a story worth mentioning. 53 :shock: final year Otago University medical students won't be graduating with their classmates next month, due to them falsifying work experience documents and taking an overseas holiday when they were supposed to be doing an internship. It makes you wonder how many current practicing medical doctors the University would catch out if they went back and investigated former students over the last 10 years.

:shock: :shock: :shock:


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Peters proving once again that NZ First is a cancer in our politics.


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Saw the 2nd part of Stephen Colbert in NZ with Xena and FIGWIT, hilarious, tomorrow he will be PLAYING RUGBY with the ALL BLACKS lol .. can't wait..


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Saw the 2nd part of Stephen Colbert in NZ with Xena and FIGWIT, hilarious, tomorrow he will be PLAYING RUGBY with the ALL BLACKS lol .. can't wait..



Fair play to her for getting the publicity and US audiences eyes on NZ, but geezes it is cheesey.

That karaoke bit actually made Key on Letterman look cool.


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Saw the 2nd part of Stephen Colbert in NZ with Xena and FIGWIT, hilarious, tomorrow he will be PLAYING RUGBY with the ALL BLACKS lol .. can't wait..



Fair play to her for getting the publicity and US audiences eyes on NZ, but geezes it is cheesey.

That karaoke bit actually made Key on Letterman look cool.


the national anthem bit? :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:


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Dark wrote:
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Saw the 2nd part of Stephen Colbert in NZ with Xena and FIGWIT, hilarious, tomorrow he will be PLAYING RUGBY with the ALL BLACKS lol .. can't wait..



Fair play to her for getting the publicity and US audiences eyes on NZ, but geezes it is cheesey.

That karaoke bit actually made Key on Letterman look cool.


Ok she's good at marketing. How's her Prime Ministering?


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Saw the 2nd part of Stephen Colbert in NZ with Xena and FIGWIT, hilarious, tomorrow he will be PLAYING RUGBY with the ALL BLACKS lol .. can't wait..



Fair play to her for getting the publicity and US audiences eyes on NZ, but geezes it is cheesey.

That karaoke bit actually made Key on Letterman look cool.


Ok she's good at marketing. How's her Prime Ministering?


Shocking

Mind you. It was their own fault to chose to dance with the devil.

Now it is pure entertainment watching her having to put up with their antics or break the coalition and just look weaker and weaker and weaker.


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They’re still wheeling out the Xena character? For real? Wasn’t that in the 90s?


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Just noticed this

The Greens are demanding the US, Chinese and Russian leaders if they come to Apec to not bring their own security.

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A bill allowing overseas security agents to carry illegal guns while in New Zealand for the APEC summit has passed its first reading, without support from the Greens.

Greens justice spokesperson Golriz Ghahraman said the country's existing laws should be enough to provide security for any foreign visitors during the summit in 2021.

She said force was most commonly used against persons of colour both here and overseas - putting certain communities at greater risk than others.

Parliament should instead prioritise the rights and security of the New Zealand public, Ms Ghahraman said.

In the past, governments have allowed these sorts of exceptions for big international events and while it had become part and parcel of hosting, she said New Zealand should push back.

"There's no need to change which guns are allowed in New Zealand or how restricted firearms are imported.

"At a time that we're reforming our domestic gun laws it doesn't make sense to move the other way for this meeting," she said.


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https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/education/117498784/otago-uni-finds-1-in-5-final-year-med-students-faked-work-placement-records

Even though this story is not a political one, I thought it was a story worth mentioning. 53 :shock: final year Otago University medical students won't be graduating with their classmates next month, due to them falsifying work experience documents and taking an overseas holiday when they were supposed to be doing an internship. It makes you wonder how many current practicing medical doctors the University would catch out if they went back and investigated former students over the last 10 years.

Fifty-three? Jaysus shite, that is disgraceful. And yes, a slow and through investigation of the internship evidence for recentish medical graduates is certainly called for since it would be a strange old thing if this year's cohort was the sole offender.

That said, there is likely to be a powerful and compelling temptation to not dig lest something horrible and embarrassing be found.


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They’re still wheeling out the Xena character? For real? Wasn’t that in the 90s?


That's probably the target age/generation. Xena was obviously a lot more popular there than here, I thought everything about it was utter garbage.


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MungoMan wrote:
Tehui wrote:
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/education/117498784/otago-uni-finds-1-in-5-final-year-med-students-faked-work-placement-records

Even though this story is not a political one, I thought it was a story worth mentioning. 53 :shock: final year Otago University medical students won't be graduating with their classmates next month, due to them falsifying work experience documents and taking an overseas holiday when they were supposed to be doing an internship. It makes you wonder how many current practicing medical doctors the University would catch out if they went back and investigated former students over the last 10 years.

Fifty-three? Jaysus shite, that is disgraceful. And yes, a slow and through investigation of the internship evidence for recentish medical graduates is certainly called for since it would be a strange old thing if this year's cohort was the sole offender.

That said, there is likely to be a powerful and compelling temptation to not dig lest something horrible and embarrassing be found.


Say no more. SAY NO MORE.

For the longest time you have exhibited a pronounced delphic bent. Outing yourself as a pythoness can only be seen as a positive self-arffirmation.


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I have practiced in the Youth Court since its inception, some 30 years ago. I have represented hundreds perhaps thousands of young people in the Court during that time and consider I know the system pretty well.

Which is why I cannot believe how National’s proposed law and order policy document, at least as far as it applies to young people, is so inept.

Two of the proposals that caught my attention are:

Widening the Clean Slate scheme for young offenders to wipe their criminal record at age 18 if they meet certain criteria.
Classifying the top 150 most serious offenders as “young serious offenders” and treating them differently.
The proposal for a clean slate ignores the fact that pretty well every first offender in the Youth Court who faces a charge involving a potential prison sentence of two years or less get a clean record under section 282 of the Act. The effect of this order is that it is deemed that the young person has been acquitted of the offence. The effect is even stronger than the result under the Criminal Records (Clean Slate) Law 2004 which merely allows a qualifying person to deny they have a conviction.

And the Clean Slate system applies to many offences where the potential sentence is up to 14 years in prison, as long as the young person was not sentenced to prison. Is the 2 year maximum sentence provision suggesting that the application of the Clean Slate for young people will be more restrictive than it is for adults?

Young people get the benefit under the Clean Slate legislation anyway. Is National proposing clean slate only for young people if they do some community work and pass their NCEA literacy modules? This is the only possible interpretation of the proposal.

The numbers of people potentially affected by this? I would be most surprised if anyone qualified apart possibly from the odd 17 year old who before the Youth Court age was increased got into trouble twice or did not receive police diversion. The number must be very, very low.

The rhetoric is great, giving young people a second chance. But they get it anyway. It seems the only purpose of the proposal is so that National can talk about how offenders have to do community work and get an education before they can have a clean slate. This is policy formulation by rest home focus groups.

The proposal discloses a profound lack of understanding of the way the Youth Court works. I hope the media pick up National on this.

As for the “young serious offender” classification I cannot imagine anything more dangerous.

If this was brought in it would create a contest. Some young people would fall over themselves to make it onto this list. It would be a categorisation they would be proud of. I am surprised there is not already a YSO gang.

Out west there may be 10 slots on this list. I could probably name the leading contenders. Already they are either in custody or subject to significant limitations on their freedom. The authorities know who they are. The categorisation will add nothing to resolving their situation or treating their problems.

The proposal has been around for a while. And it raises significant legal issues. Why should number 151 on the list enjoy greater rights than number 150? And the powers if granted would completely undermine any prospect of rehabilitation.

This feels like a gimmicky meme masquerading as a policy.

It will only affect poor marginalised kids as this analysis by Katie Bruce shows. Her conclusion is well put:

It is important that we recognise that this policy is not designed to treat people equally. Instead it targets children already marginalised by our society.

It is setting kids up to fail – those who are already experiencing a tough start in life, and those who are already more likely to be targeted by state intervention because of their history or their ethnicity.

This is not fair and it’s not just.

We need to wholeheartedly reject this policy and demand better for all of our children.

It is incredible that National should be praising the work of the Youth Court and especially Rangatahi Courts but then propose changes that will undermine the good results that have achieved.

The proposal for Education Officers is a good one. It has been happening at Waitakere for years and yes we have Education Officers attending Family Group Conferences regularly.

There is a lot of other matters I could refer to, particularly the tough on gangs Strike Force Raptor rhetoric as well as the linking of parole to obtaining numeracy and literacy qualifications.

National has form for engaging in strange law changes so they can wind up the rhetoric, even if the changes breach fundamental rights. It is a shame really. Bill English famously conceded that prisons were a moral and fiscal failure but his view clearly is no longer fashionable in National’s caucus.

National and Bridges are happy to engage in sound bite policies that make no sense and will not work. Shame on them.


MS

Yes it from the Standard , so utterly loaded , but it’s an argument that I find extremely difficult to contradict .

Especially experience has convinced that grandstanding nonsense ‘to fight crime ‘ only achieves negative results .


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