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Re: NZ Politics Thread

Posted: Thu Aug 03, 2017 8:35 am
by SecretAgentMan
Gordon Bennett wrote:
jambanja wrote:Is Kelvin Davis a list MP?
He's currently MP for TTT. Took out Hone a couple of elections ago.
Last election in 2014.

Re: NZ Politics Thread

Posted: Thu Aug 03, 2017 9:11 am
by jambanja
Gordon Bennett wrote:
jambanja wrote:Is Kelvin Davis a list MP?
He's currently MP for TTT. Took out Hone a couple of elections ago.
So which electorate did Winston win, was that a different one

Re: NZ Politics Thread

Posted: Thu Aug 03, 2017 9:13 am
by Thai guy
jambanja wrote:
Gordon Bennett wrote:
jambanja wrote:Is Kelvin Davis a list MP?
He's currently MP for TTT. Took out Hone a couple of elections ago.
So which electorate did Winston win, was that a different one
Northland.

Re: NZ Politics Thread

Posted: Thu Aug 03, 2017 9:29 am
by TheDocForgotHisLogon
Thai guy wrote:
jambanja wrote:
Gordon Bennett wrote:
jambanja wrote:Is Kelvin Davis a list MP?
He's currently MP for TTT. Took out Hone a couple of elections ago.
So which electorate did Winston win, was that a different one
Northland.
TTT's the Maori electorate; Northland's the general electorate.

With Davis the Deputy, I take it the close all charter schools policy is goooooooooooooooooooonnnnne?

Re: NZ Politics Thread

Posted: Thu Aug 03, 2017 9:46 am
by jamesfreeman
Jay Cee Gee wrote:
Fat Old Git wrote:
There are lots of reasons why someone, male or female, may be temporarily incapable of doing their job. That's life. It shouldn't be a big factor for consideration when choosing your favorite candidate imho.
If it's something that's within their control that they plan to do?

I'm not saying her intentions one way or the other would make me more or less likely to actually vote for her, I just think the response to a valid question has been a bit hysterical. It's something that could potentially affect her job performance, why aren't people allowed to ask.
Agree massive overreaction. So much hysteria on social media about it, every feminist has come out of the woodwork, although one person on Facebook I saw reckons Mark Richardson and Hosking etc are trolling the feminists with this...

Re: NZ Politics Thread

Posted: Thu Aug 03, 2017 9:57 am
by Thai guy
TheDocForgotHisLogon wrote:
Thai guy wrote:
jambanja wrote:
Gordon Bennett wrote:
jambanja wrote:Is Kelvin Davis a list MP?
He's currently MP for TTT. Took out Hone a couple of elections ago.
So which electorate did Winston win, was that a different one
Northland.
TTT's the Maori electorate; Northland's the general electorate.

With Davis the Deputy, I take it the close all charter schools policy is goooooooooooooooooooonnnnne?
They're not gone. They'll need to be integrated like all the other special character schools happily in operation. This means they are not run for private profit, that the teachers they employ must be registered, and that they teach a certain proportion of the approved curriculum. That is what schools need to do in order to get public funding.

Re: NZ Politics Thread

Posted: Thu Aug 03, 2017 10:25 am
by eugenius
Absolutely ..

Re: NZ Politics Thread

Posted: Thu Aug 03, 2017 10:42 am
by True Blue
jamesfreeman wrote:
Jay Cee Gee wrote:
Fat Old Git wrote:
There are lots of reasons why someone, male or female, may be temporarily incapable of doing their job. That's life. It shouldn't be a big factor for consideration when choosing your favorite candidate imho.
If it's something that's within their control that they plan to do?

I'm not saying her intentions one way or the other would make me more or less likely to actually vote for her, I just think the response to a valid question has been a bit hysterical. It's something that could potentially affect her job performance, why aren't people allowed to ask.
Agree massive overreaction. So much hysteria on social media about it, every feminist has come out of the woodwork, although one person on Facebook I saw reckons Mark Richardson and Hosking etc are trolling the feminists with this...
Low hanging fruit trolling feminists though isn't it? I think it's more likely Richardson underestimated the Outrage Culture of the Internet Lynch Mob.

Re: NZ Politics Thread

Posted: Thu Aug 03, 2017 10:45 am
by eugenius
It was a stupid comment end of ...

Rationalise it all you like.

Re: NZ Politics Thread

Posted: Thu Aug 03, 2017 10:51 am
by booji boy
eugenius wrote:It was a stupid comment end of ...

Rationalise it all you like.
An idiot, shock jock like Richardson in stupid comment shocker. :shock:

The league of the perpetually offended respond with vigour. :roll:

Re: NZ Politics Thread

Posted: Thu Aug 03, 2017 10:53 am
by Wilderbeast
Thai guy wrote:They're not gone. They'll need to be integrated like all the other special character schools happily in operation. This means they are not run for private profit, that the teachers they employ must be registered, and that they teach a certain proportion of the approved curriculum. That is what schools need to do in order to get public funding.
Don't be surprised if this stance softens quite a bit. The unions hated them and Little was a union man, hence the huge anti stance. Davis, on the other hand, is a fan. He has a favourite in particular in northland. Can't imagine he'd be on board with any policy which makes it harder for the school to succeed.

Re: NZ Politics Thread

Posted: Thu Aug 03, 2017 10:55 am
by brat
eugenius wrote:It was a stupid comment end of ...

Rationalise it all you like.
No it wasn't

She specifically made a statement that she didn't want the pm job as she wanted to start a family

If she makes a statement -be prepared to be called on it -otherwise get out of parliament

If she had said nothing previously then it would've been out of line - but as it was the question was in context

The amazing hypocrisy in this whole situation is that she's getting attention,and as yet totally unwarranted adulation,because she's a female

Re: NZ Politics Thread

Posted: Thu Aug 03, 2017 10:57 am
by eugenius
It was a bloody stupid comment end of ...

Rationalise it all you like.

Re: NZ Politics Thread

Posted: Thu Aug 03, 2017 11:00 am
by Hareaway
brat wrote:
eugenius wrote:It was a stupid comment end of ...

Rationalise it all you like.
No it wasn't

She specifically made a statement that she didn't want the pm job as she wanted to start a family

If she makes a statement -be prepared to be called on it -otherwise get out of parliament

If she had said nothing previously then it would've been out of line - but as it was the question was in context

The amazing hypocrisy in this whole situation is that she's getting attention,and as yet totally unwarranted adulation,because she's a female
Its Eug , if you wanna read back through this fred he has "predicted" the last 2 election wins to Labour .
Reply to your dog it has more political intuition

Re: NZ Politics Thread

Posted: Thu Aug 03, 2017 11:15 am
by True Blue
I see Metiria Turei has admitted to breaking the law. Twice.

What a leader. Typical greenie.

Re: NZ Politics Thread

Posted: Thu Aug 03, 2017 11:16 am
by brat
Hareaway wrote:
brat wrote:
eugenius wrote:It was a stupid comment end of ...

Rationalise it all you like.
No it wasn't

She specifically made a statement that she didn't want the pm job as she wanted to start a family

If she makes a statement -be prepared to be called on it -otherwise get out of parliament

If she had said nothing previously then it would've been out of line - but as it was the question was in context

The amazing hypocrisy in this whole situation is that she's getting attention,and as yet totally unwarranted adulation,because she's a female
Its Eug , if you wanna read back through this fred he has "predicted" the last 2 election wins to Labour .
Reply to your dog it has more political intuition
This is true, although grouch seems to take the prize on this forum

Re: NZ Politics Thread

Posted: Thu Aug 03, 2017 11:19 am
by brat
Seneca of the Night wrote:
brat wrote:
eugenius wrote:It was a stupid comment end of ...

Rationalise it all you like.
No it wasn't

She specifically made a statement that she didn't want the pm job as she wanted to start a family

If she makes a statement -be prepared to be called on it -otherwise get out of parliament

If she had said nothing previously then it would've been out of line - but as it was the question was in context

The amazing hypocrisy in this whole situation is that she's getting attention,and as yet totally unwarranted adulation,because she's a female
Women are insane, and while I'm personally quite happy for them running for office, as individually many of them have fine qualities well suited to leadership, allowing them to vote is incredibly foolish, as their mass insanity comes to the fore.
Haha.. and to think we started the whole thing

Re: NZ Politics Thread

Posted: Thu Aug 03, 2017 11:20 am
by Wilderbeast
True Blue wrote:I see Metiria Turei has admitted to breaking the law. Twice.

What a leader. Typical greenie.
As opposed to people like Barclay, who deny deny deny?

Re: NZ Politics Thread

Posted: Thu Aug 03, 2017 11:22 am
by Hareaway
brat wrote:
Hareaway wrote:
brat wrote:
eugenius wrote:It was a stupid comment end of ...

Rationalise it all you like.
No it wasn't

She specifically made a statement that she didn't want the pm job as she wanted to start a family

If she makes a statement -be prepared to be called on it -otherwise get out of parliament

If she had said nothing previously then it would've been out of line - but as it was the question was in context

The amazing hypocrisy in this whole situation is that she's getting attention,and as yet totally unwarranted adulation,because she's a female
Its Eug , if you wanna read back through this fred he has "predicted" the last 2 election wins to Labour .
Reply to your dog it has more political intuition
This is true, although grouch seems to take the prize on this forum
What i said is actually a bit tough , Eug fights his corner well . He just gets a bit excited

Re: NZ Politics Thread

Posted: Thu Aug 03, 2017 11:23 am
by Auckman
True Blue wrote:I see Metiria Turei has admitted to breaking the law. Twice.

What a leader. Typical greenie.
I wish she had just STFU. The Greens strategists need to be shot. Wilderbeast, you need to roll out Shaw. Get rid of Turei. Replace her with Genter.

Re: NZ Politics Thread

Posted: Thu Aug 03, 2017 11:24 am
by True Blue
Wilderbeast wrote:
True Blue wrote:I see Metiria Turei has admitted to breaking the law. Twice.

What a leader. Typical greenie.
As opposed to people like Barclay, who deny deny deny?
He was a 25 year old nobody. She's the leader of her party.

Also slightly different on the dodgy scale. He recorded a conversation. She committed benefit fraud and also illegally voted. Slightly worse for a politician to do.....

She should be on her arse but the media is so obsessed over the new LAbour leader and how awesome she is because she has boobs, that nothing will happen

Re: NZ Politics Thread

Posted: Thu Aug 03, 2017 11:30 am
by Wilderbeast
Auckman wrote:
True Blue wrote:I see Metiria Turei has admitted to breaking the law. Twice.

What a leader. Typical greenie.
I wish she had just STFU. The Greens strategists need to be shot. Wilderbeast, you need to roll out Shaw. Get rid of Turei. Replace her with Genter.
Fucken oath :thumbup:

I rate Genter, and Turei rubs me the wrong way. She means well but comes across as a Social Justice Warrior who got the big time. SJW's are a large reason I found it so hard to consider voting left. Their self-righteousness grinds my goat no end. Im getting angry thinking about it.

Turei is fantastic at preaching to the converted. I'm not sure she will ever win the party vote without stealing them from Labour (and Jacinda will probably take them all back without breaking a sweat). She's probably overstayed her welcome but the greens are so obsessed with quotas they won't ditch her as she's a Maori woman.

Re: NZ Politics Thread

Posted: Thu Aug 03, 2017 11:33 am
by Wilderbeast
True Blue wrote:
Wilderbeast wrote:
True Blue wrote:I see Metiria Turei has admitted to breaking the law. Twice.

What a leader. Typical greenie.
As opposed to people like Barclay, who deny deny deny?
He was a 25 year old nobody. She's the leader of her party.

Also slightly different on the dodgy scale. He recorded a conversation. She committed benefit fraud and also illegally voted. Slightly worse for a politician to do.....

She should be on her arse but the media is so obsessed over the new LAbour leader and how awesome she is because she has boobs, that nothing will happen
What Barclay did was off the scales f**king dodgy. He was also a politician when he did it.

For the record, I'm not pleased with Turei's announcement but all parties have their illegal baggage. Turei gains points for owning it. She loses them all and then some for being completely unrepentant.

Re: NZ Politics Thread

Posted: Thu Aug 03, 2017 11:46 am
by TheDocForgotHisLogon
Hareaway wrote:What i said is actually a bit tough , Eug fights his corner well . He just gets a bit excited
Yup, Eug and Grouch are both good value. There isn't nearly enough respectful, good humoured political disagreement these days.

Re: NZ Politics Thread

Posted: Thu Aug 03, 2017 11:52 am
by TheDocForgotHisLogon
True Blue wrote:
Wilderbeast wrote:
True Blue wrote:I see Metiria Turei has admitted to breaking the law. Twice.

What a leader. Typical greenie.
As opposed to people like Barclay, who deny deny deny?
He was a 25 year old nobody. She's the leader of her party.

Also slightly different on the dodgy scale. He recorded a conversation. She committed benefit fraud and also illegally voted. Slightly worse for a politician to do.....

She should be on her arse but the media is so obsessed over the new LAbour leader and how awesome she is because she has boobs, that nothing will happen
:shock: I missed that. What's the story? I did see NewsHub smelling blood in the water and going after her by doing some actual investigative journalism... :shock: again... and finding that her partner was registered at her address for a year while she was claiming the DPB, and that her mother was one of her flatmates. As a couple of us were speculating further up the thread, this could turn terminal for her down the track.

Re: NZ Politics Thread

Posted: Thu Aug 03, 2017 12:01 pm
by Wilderbeast
I haven't seen anything on illegal voting either?

Re: NZ Politics Thread

Posted: Thu Aug 03, 2017 12:02 pm
by TheDocForgotHisLogon
http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/political ... s-in-1990s
The Greens co-leader has denied living with her daughter's father when she was illegally collecting a benefit, despite her name being listed on the electoral roll at the same address at the time.

Newshub reported that an official listing of addresses showed Ms Turei listed at the same address as Paul Hartley, in both 1993 and 1994.

Ms Turei said her name was listed at the address so she could vote in the electorate, but that she now realised it was a stupid thing to do.

"That was for the purposes of the electoral roll. I wasn't living in that house. And this will sound really dorky, and I totally understand that, but I put myself on the electoral roll there because at the time, the 1993 election, my best friend was standing for election in that seat, and I wanted to support her."
That's not 'dorky', it's fraud, again.

She's a lawyer right? At what point does the law society want a word?

Re: NZ Politics Thread

Posted: Thu Aug 03, 2017 12:48 pm
by RuggaBugga
TheDocForgotHisLogon wrote:
True Blue wrote:
Wilderbeast wrote:
True Blue wrote:I see Metiria Turei has admitted to breaking the law. Twice.

What a leader. Typical greenie.
As opposed to people like Barclay, who deny deny deny?
He was a 25 year old nobody. She's the leader of her party.

Also slightly different on the dodgy scale. He recorded a conversation. She committed benefit fraud and also illegally voted. Slightly worse for a politician to do.....

She should be on her arse but the media is so obsessed over the new LAbour leader and how awesome she is because she has boobs, that nothing will happen
:shock: I missed that. What's the story? I did see NewsHub smelling blood in the water and going after her by doing some actual investigative journalism... :shock: again... and finding that her partner was registered at her address for a year while she was claiming the DPB, and that her mother was one of her flatmates. As a couple of us were speculating further up the thread, this could turn terminal for her down the track.
Saw that. She looked white as a sheet when they confronted her with it.

Reckon that could just about do for her once it hits the wider news tomorrow?

Re: NZ Politics Thread

Posted: Thu Aug 03, 2017 12:50 pm
by True Blue
Green Party co-leader Metiria Turei once enrolled at an address where she did not live so she could vote for a friend.

The MP enrolled at the address where her baby's father lived so she could vote for a friend who was a candidate in Mt Albert in 1993.

An electoral law expert says enrolling to vote at an address you do not live at is an offence.

Turei has also tonight confirmed her mother was a flatmate for part of the period she claimed the benefit in the 1990s.
From the NZH

Re: NZ Politics Thread

Posted: Thu Aug 03, 2017 2:31 pm
by eugenius
As I've said - this will be a very close one .

Interestingly a friend of mine was doing door knocking for Duncan Webb the labour candidate for ChCh central ( She's a Greenie ) and said that many of the serious National supporters in Merivale really liked Arden !


http://bowalleyroad.blogspot.co.nz/2017 ... s.html?m=1

Once again I find myself agreeing with Trotter .

Re: NZ Politics Thread

Posted: Thu Aug 03, 2017 2:35 pm
by eugenius
I've tried - but I've never quite gelled with the Greens.

Once went to one of their get togethers - worse barbie ever !

Felt like a trendy church meeting .

The men were too 'clean' looking , a much too well behaved.

The Labour equivalent was much more fun - more booze and some decent discussions / arguments .

A couple of real characters and a far bigger variety of people.

Re: NZ Politics Thread

Posted: Thu Aug 03, 2017 2:54 pm
by Mr Mike
eugenius wrote:As I've said - this will be a very close one .
I know was your mantra last time, and perhaps also the time before, but I expect that you may finally be right (assuming there is leakage from the Nats and not the Greens/NZF/TOP).
Fat Old Git wrote:
eugenius wrote: A close loss this election followed by a landslide the next for Labour and co.
Isn't that what you said before the last election?
eugenius wrote:On the evidence of this debate Cunliffe will remain as Labours leader.

The election will be close but the Nat's will win.

Key will in all likelihood resign midway through his next term.

God I hope its not Bennett !

Cunliffe to win the next election and remain in power for two terms.

Re: NZ Politics Thread

Posted: Thu Aug 03, 2017 3:29 pm
by eugenius
Well
I got Keys resignation right at least !


And no I didn't repeat my prediction .

Re: NZ Politics Thread

Posted: Thu Aug 03, 2017 7:22 pm
by Enzedder
TheDocForgotHisLogon wrote:
True Blue wrote:
Wilderbeast wrote:
True Blue wrote:I see Metiria Turei has admitted to breaking the law. Twice.

What a leader. Typical greenie.
As opposed to people like Barclay, who deny deny deny?
He was a 25 year old nobody. She's the leader of her party.

Also slightly different on the dodgy scale. He recorded a conversation. She committed benefit fraud and also illegally voted. Slightly worse for a politician to do.....

She should be on her arse but the media is so obsessed over the new LAbour leader and how awesome she is because she has boobs, that nothing will happen
:shock: I missed that. What's the story? I did see NewsHub smelling blood in the water and going after her by doing some actual investigative journalism... :shock: again... and finding that her partner was registered at her address for a year while she was claiming the DPB, and that her mother was one of her flatmates. As a couple of us were speculating further up the thread, this could turn terminal for her down the track.
Funny that they won't investigate Fat Paula though eh?

Re: NZ Politics Thread

Posted: Thu Aug 03, 2017 10:08 pm
by Thai guy
Image

:nod:

Re: NZ Politics Thread

Posted: Thu Aug 03, 2017 10:52 pm
by jambanja
Wilderbeast wrote:
True Blue wrote:
Wilderbeast wrote:
True Blue wrote:I see Metiria Turei has admitted to breaking the law. Twice.

What a leader. Typical greenie.
As opposed to people like Barclay, who deny deny deny?
He was a 25 year old nobody. She's the leader of her party.

Also slightly different on the dodgy scale. He recorded a conversation. She committed benefit fraud and also illegally voted. Slightly worse for a politician to do.....

She should be on her arse but the media is so obsessed over the new LAbour leader and how awesome she is because she has boobs, that nothing will happen
What Barclay did was off the scales f**king dodgy. He was also a politician when he did it.

For the record, I'm not pleased with Turei's announcement but all parties have their illegal baggage. Turei gains points for owning it. She loses them all and then some for being completely unrepentant.
I fail to see how she gains points for anything, condoning illegal activity is quite simply puzzling, she only owned it because she thought, quite stupidly, that she could gain politically from it and it has backfired spectacularly.

Admitting to voter fraud and voting for someone else after registering them from her ex's house is another clanger, are people seriously saying they want someone like this in a position of authority?

There will be more to come from this, something to do with her ex partner and the mortgage, the Labour party will busy working out how they can distance themselves as quickly as possible

Re: NZ Politics Thread

Posted: Thu Aug 03, 2017 11:07 pm
by Thai guy
I don't think she was specifically thinking about political gain. Why do some people automatically think that anything and everything a politician does is about their own personal gain. Why can't it be that she was fighting for the most vulnerable people in the country who are struggling under a broken and vindictive system?

As for voter fraud, that is nothing. Just the Greens' enemies searching for something else to stick. It's been noted Bill English votes in Southland but his primary residence is in Wellington.

Re: NZ Politics Thread

Posted: Thu Aug 03, 2017 11:11 pm
by Stu Wilsons gloves
eugenius wrote:As I've said - this will be a very close one .

Interestingly a friend of mine was doing door knocking for Duncan Webb the labour candidate for ChCh central ( She's a Greenie ) and said that many of the serious National supporters in Merivale really liked Arden !


http://bowalleyroad.blogspot.co.nz/2017 ... s.html?m=1

Once again I find myself agreeing with Trotter .

Good old Euge with his anecdotal theories, don't you ever change Euge.

Re: NZ Politics Thread

Posted: Thu Aug 03, 2017 11:15 pm
by jambanja
Enzedder wrote:
TheDocForgotHisLogon wrote:
True Blue wrote:
Wilderbeast wrote:
True Blue wrote:I see Metiria Turei has admitted to breaking the law. Twice.

What a leader. Typical greenie.
As opposed to people like Barclay, who deny deny deny?
He was a 25 year old nobody. She's the leader of her party.

Also slightly different on the dodgy scale. He recorded a conversation. She committed benefit fraud and also illegally voted. Slightly worse for a politician to do.....

She should be on her arse but the media is so obsessed over the new LAbour leader and how awesome she is because she has boobs, that nothing will happen
:shock: I missed that. What's the story? I did see NewsHub smelling blood in the water and going after her by doing some actual investigative journalism... :shock: again... and finding that her partner was registered at her address for a year while she was claiming the DPB, and that her mother was one of her flatmates. As a couple of us were speculating further up the thread, this could turn terminal for her down the track.
Funny that they won't investigate Fat Paula though eh?
Why has she done something illegal

Re: NZ Politics Thread

Posted: Thu Aug 03, 2017 11:16 pm
by jambanja
Thai guy wrote:I don't think she was specifically thinking about political gain. Why do some people automatically think that anything and everything a politician does is about their own personal gain. Why can't it be that she was fighting for the most vulnerable people in the country who are struggling under a broken and vindictive system?

As for voter fraud, that is nothing. Just the Greens' enemies searching for something else to stick. It's been noted Bill English votes in Southland but his primary residence is in Wellington.
She voted on behalf of someone else as well as herself, ie twice, not nothing at all