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Re: NZ Politics Thread

Posted: Fri Aug 04, 2017 10:00 am
by Mr Mike
Thai guy wrote:
Mr Mike wrote:
Thai guy wrote:
Mr Mike wrote:It's a Home Depot ad campaign.
Good google search.
No, I live in the US and have three of the buckets and a number of under utilized home renovation tools. I recognized it immediately, it was a very effective campaign.
Are you saying Jacinda Ardern copied the Home Depot marketing campaign and hoped that no-one would notice?
No, I'm saying what it immediately made me think of.

You come across as incredibly defensive and thin-skinned on these issues. If you saw what I posted immediately after her appointment, I think it is a good thing for Labour.

Take a deep breath or two.

Re: NZ Politics Thread

Posted: Fri Aug 04, 2017 10:30 am
by Thai guy
jambanja wrote:
It is going to be fascinating to see how the National Party attacks Jacinda Ardern. To them and all their business backers she is very dangerous because she is popular with the public and she works hard to improve the lives of the working poor and the vulnerable.
What exactly is it that she does to improve the lives of the working poor...apart from talking about it, has she actually done anything concrete to achieve this, I seriously don't think she has...lip service achieves nothing, but I'm happy to be corrected with examples, over to you
I know you're new to New Zealand but do you have any idea about the history of the Labour Party in NZ? Does Michael Joseph Savage ring a bell? The inventor of our once great state.

Apart from one blip in the 80's when the Labour Party was highjacked by a far right lunatic in Roger Douglas they have been the party of the worker and the worker's family. Since Ardern entered Parliament in 2008 she has been an opposition MP in case you hadn't noticed, and the one of the things the current government does not like is opposition MPs getting any legislation through. For instance Sue Morony's extended paid parental leave was vetoed by Bingles because 'we couldn't afford it' despite surpluses being forecast for the years to come.

Ardern has been a part of the socially conscious Labour movement for many years now and once in government you might see a flood of examples of working to improve the lives of the working poor. Kiwibuild, and a crackdown on property speculators. Tougher tests for work visas. Tighten international student courses and their ability to work and gain back door residency. Fund mental health program properly. Put a professional health worker in every school to combat youth suicide. Improve careers programs in schools so that kids know what the future of work looks like. Three years free post secondary school funding or young entrepreneurs fund. Boost WFF for the lowest income earners. Introduce power supplements for the elderly while the spot pricing model of the power market is hauled over the coals. Make sure cancer services are available to everyone no matter your income or location. Increase the minimum wage and increase the resources for Labour and safety inspectors. Abolishing secondary tax. Light rail to the airport. Getting Maori into their own homes and stabilising their communities.

Ardern is a policy person and yet you think she's done nothing at all in her decade in parliament. I say she's work hard on Labour policy which will make New Zealand a fairer place for all. The NZ public hasn't has these messages delivered to them - that's about to change.

Re: NZ Politics Thread

Posted: Fri Aug 04, 2017 10:38 am
by Thai guy
Mr Mike wrote:
Thai guy wrote:
Mr Mike wrote:
Thai guy wrote:
Mr Mike wrote:It's a Home Depot ad campaign.
Good google search.
No, I live in the US and have three of the buckets and a number of under utilized home renovation tools. I recognized it immediately, it was a very effective campaign.
Are you saying Jacinda Ardern copied the Home Depot marketing campaign and hoped that no-one would notice?
No, I'm saying what it immediately made me think of.

You come across as incredibly defensive and thin-skinned on these issues. If you saw what I posted immediately after her appointment, I think it is a good thing for Labour.

Take a deep breath or two.
Please. I simply said 'good google search' and you have a crack about me being incredibly defensive and thin skinned. :?

Seriously, I know I've said it before and am known for saying it, but unless you are on the ground in New Zealand you can't know the full story of what's going on here.

Re: NZ Politics Thread

Posted: Fri Aug 04, 2017 10:46 am
by jambanja
Thai guy wrote:
jambanja wrote:
It is going to be fascinating to see how the National Party attacks Jacinda Ardern. To them and all their business backers she is very dangerous because she is popular with the public and she works hard to improve the lives of the working poor and the vulnerable.
What exactly is it that she does to improve the lives of the working poor...apart from talking about it, has she actually done anything concrete to achieve this, I seriously don't think she has...lip service achieves nothing, but I'm happy to be corrected with examples, over to you
I know you're new to New Zealand but do you have any idea about the history of the Labour Party in NZ? Does Michael Joseph Savage ring a bell? The inventor of our once great state.

Apart from one blip in the 80's when the Labour Party was highjacked by a far right lunatic in Roger Douglas they have been the party of the worker and the worker's family. Since Ardern entered Parliament in 2008 she has been an opposition MP in case you hadn't noticed, and the one of the things the current government does not like is opposition MPs getting any legislation through. For instance Sue Morony's extended paid parental leave was vetoed by Bingles because 'we couldn't afford it' despite surpluses being forecast for the years to come.

Ardern has been a part of the socially conscious Labour movement for many years now and once in government you might see a flood of examples of working to improve the lives of the working poor. Kiwibuild, and a crackdown on property speculators. Tougher tests for work visas. Tighten international student courses and their ability to work and gain back door residency. Fund mental health program properly. Put a professional health worker in every school to combat youth suicide. Improve careers programs in schools so that kids know what the future of work looks like. Three years free post secondary school funding or young entrepreneurs fund. Boost WFF for the lowest income earners. Introduce power supplements for the elderly while the spot pricing model of the power market is hauled over the coals. Make sure cancer services are available to everyone no matter your income or location. Increase the minimum wage and increase the resources for Labour and safety inspectors. Abolishing secondary tax. Light rail to the airport. Getting Maori into their own homes and stabilising their communities.

Ardern is a policy person and yet you think she's done nothing at all in her decade in parliament. I say she's work hard on Labour policy which will make New Zealand a fairer place for all. The NZ public hasn't has these messages delivered to them - that's about to change.
So no specific results, just lip service, let's just hope,that should she become the leader of our great country, She can actually do something, I have my doubts, because after all she is first and foremost a politician

Re: NZ Politics Thread

Posted: Fri Aug 04, 2017 10:48 am
by Hareaway
Enzedder wrote:
Funny that they won't investigate Fat Paula though eh?

Im sorry but what the fvck is wrong with you ?

When did you become this person ?

Re: NZ Politics Thread

Posted: Fri Aug 04, 2017 10:51 am
by Hareaway
Thai guy wrote: Seriously, I know I've said it before and am known for saying it, but unless you are on the ground in New Zealand you can't know the full story of what's going on here.

Speaking of cvnts

Re: NZ Politics Thread

Posted: Fri Aug 04, 2017 11:06 am
by Mr Mike
Hareaway wrote:
Thai guy wrote: Seriously, I know I've said it before and am known for saying it, but unless you are on the ground in New Zealand you can't know the full story of what's going on here.

Speaking of cvnts
It's an old discussion, the lack of immediate personal experience versus the impact of insularity and lack of a broader perspective. You would get the same line from Apartheid supporting Afrikaners in the 70's and 80's.

That said, I agree to an extent, I haven't voted since I left as the Kiwis in NZ are the ones that ultimately need to live with the immediate consequences of their decisions.

Of course, like John Key, I may ultimately sweep back into NZ and bring with me the benefit of my capital and well rounded experience.

And my Home Depot buckets.

Re: NZ Politics Thread

Posted: Fri Aug 04, 2017 11:11 am
by SecretAgentMan
Mr Mike wrote:
Hareaway wrote:
Thai guy wrote: Seriously, I know I've said it before and am known for saying it, but unless you are on the ground in New Zealand you can't know the full story of what's going on here.

Speaking of cvnts
It's an old discussion, the lack of immediate personal experience versus the impact of insularity and lack of a broader perspective. You would get the same line from Apartheid supporting Afrikaners in the 70's and 80's.

That said, I agree to an extent, I haven't voted since I left as the Kiwis in NZ are the ones that ultimately need to live with the immediate consequences of their decisions.

Of course, like John Key, I may ultimately sweep back into NZ and bring with me the benefit of my capital and well rounded experience.

And my Home Depot buckets.
:lol:

Re: NZ Politics Thread

Posted: Fri Aug 04, 2017 11:12 am
by Hareaway
Mr Mike wrote:
Hareaway wrote:
Thai guy wrote: Seriously, I know I've said it before and am known for saying it, but unless you are on the ground in New Zealand you can't know the full story of what's going on here.

Speaking of cvnts
It's an old discussion, the lack of immediate personal experience versus the impact of insularity and lack of a broader perspective. You would get the same line from Apartheid supporting Afrikaners in the 70's and 80's.

That said, I agree to an extent, I haven't voted since I left as the Kiwis in NZ are the ones that ultimately need to live with the immediate consequences of their decisions.

Of course, like John Key, I may ultimately sweep back into NZ and bring with me the benefit of my capital and well rounded experience.

And my Home Depot buckets.
he has been blasting out some beauty's , his chest must be so puffed
I know you're new to New Zealand but do you have any idea about the history of the Labour Party in NZ? Does Michael Joseph Savage ring a bell? The inventor of our once great state

Re: NZ Politics Thread

Posted: Fri Aug 04, 2017 11:28 am
by Mr Mike
I particularly like the statue of Savage outside Parliament, acknowledging his contribution as our longest serving PM and the innovations of his grand "social laboratory".

Re: NZ Politics Thread

Posted: Fri Aug 04, 2017 12:01 pm
by Wilderbeast
Is there a single reasonable poster who votes left on this forum?

Re: NZ Politics Thread

Posted: Fri Aug 04, 2017 12:06 pm
by Mr Mike
Wilderbeast wrote:Is there a single reasonable poster who votes left on this forum?
No, I expect most of us are married.

Re: NZ Politics Thread

Posted: Fri Aug 04, 2017 12:30 pm
by grouch
Thai guy wrote:
jambanja wrote:
It is going to be fascinating to see how the National Party attacks Jacinda Ardern. To them and all their business backers she is very dangerous because she is popular with the public and she works hard to improve the lives of the working poor and the vulnerable.
What exactly is it that she does to improve the lives of the working poor...apart from talking about it, has she actually done anything concrete to achieve this, I seriously don't think she has...lip service achieves nothing, but I'm happy to be corrected with examples, over to you
I know you're new to New Zealand but do you have any idea about the history of the Labour Party in NZ? Does Michael Joseph Savage ring a bell? The inventor of our once great state.

Apart from one blip in the 80's when the Labour Party was highjacked by a far right lunatic in Roger Douglas they have been the party of the worker and the worker's family. Since Ardern entered Parliament in 2008 she has been an opposition MP in case you hadn't noticed, and the one of the things the current government does not like is opposition MPs getting any legislation through. For instance Sue Morony's extended paid parental leave was vetoed by Bingles because 'we couldn't afford it' despite surpluses being forecast for the years to come.

Ardern has been a part of the socially conscious Labour movement for many years now and once in government you might see a flood of examples of working to improve the lives of the working poor. Kiwibuild, and a crackdown on property speculators. Tougher tests for work visas. Tighten international student courses and their ability to work and gain back door residency. Fund mental health program properly. Put a professional health worker in every school to combat youth suicide. Improve careers programs in schools so that kids know what the future of work looks like. Three years free post secondary school funding or young entrepreneurs fund. Boost WFF for the lowest income earners. Introduce power supplements for the elderly while the spot pricing model of the power market is hauled over the coals. Make sure cancer services are available to everyone no matter your income or location. Increase the minimum wage and increase the resources for Labour and safety inspectors. Abolishing secondary tax. Light rail to the airport. Getting Maori into their own homes and stabilising their communities.

Ardern is a policy person and yet you think she's done nothing at all in her decade in parliament. I say she's work hard on Labour policy which will make New Zealand a fairer place for all. The NZ public hasn't has these messages delivered to them - that's about to change.
:?:
Sorrry sunshine , can't let that go past.

it should read "in the 80's the Labour Party was highjacked by a far right lunatic ,Roger Douglas and others and has consistently been under the control of neo-liberals . Any claim to be a socialist or workers party has long gone." :nod:

Re: NZ Politics Thread

Posted: Fri Aug 04, 2017 1:04 pm
by brat
naki111 wrote:
SecretAgentMan wrote:
naki111 wrote:The whinging from National voters on social media about Ardern being given a free ride by the media is too much. Even Brownlee has been in on the act which is pretty pathetic.
They must be itching to go full attack dog on her, but know that risks inviting a huge backlash.
Yep. National is basically powerless to do anything at this point except sit back and watch Ardern steal a shedload of swing voters who have voted blue for the last 9 years. If they attack her they look guilty of the exact same thing they've accused Labour of their entire tenure in opposition i.e being 'negative'. National's record of achievements in government has been pretty underwhelming given the number of terms and political capital (cue: 'but, but, but, the.... earthquakes....! GFC....!') they've had to do essentially what they want in power so I can't see leaning on achievements as a strategy to win this one.

National's numbers in the polls have been really high for a long time. However, I get the impression that there are a lot of swing voters dissatisfied with the way National is running things yet can't bring themselves to vote for Labour because of leadership and credibility issues. In other words, those mid to high 40s numbers haven't necessarily been an endorsement of National by almost half the electorate but rather a 'safe' vote in the face of a lack of alternative. If Labour can get their shit together with Ardern and Davis while presenting two or three key policies and sticking to a simple message, there are a lot of votes to steal from National there.
Think your impression is wrong regarding national swing voters

Think you'll find this is basically a reshuffling of the opposition

Re: NZ Politics Thread

Posted: Fri Aug 04, 2017 1:31 pm
by Mr Mike
brat wrote:
naki111 wrote:
SecretAgentMan wrote:
naki111 wrote:The whinging from National voters on social media about Ardern being given a free ride by the media is too much. Even Brownlee has been in on the act which is pretty pathetic.
They must be itching to go full attack dog on her, but know that risks inviting a huge backlash.
Yep. National is basically powerless to do anything at this point except sit back and watch Ardern steal a shedload of swing voters who have voted blue for the last 9 years. If they attack her they look guilty of the exact same thing they've accused Labour of their entire tenure in opposition i.e being 'negative'. National's record of achievements in government has been pretty underwhelming given the number of terms and political capital (cue: 'but, but, but, the.... earthquakes....! GFC....!') they've had to do essentially what they want in power so I can't see leaning on achievements as a strategy to win this one.

National's numbers in the polls have been really high for a long time. However, I get the impression that there are a lot of swing voters dissatisfied with the way National is running things yet can't bring themselves to vote for Labour because of leadership and credibility issues. In other words, those mid to high 40s numbers haven't necessarily been an endorsement of National by almost half the electorate but rather a 'safe' vote in the face of a lack of alternative. If Labour can get their shit together with Ardern and Davis while presenting two or three key policies and sticking to a simple message, there are a lot of votes to steal from National there.
Think your impression is wrong regarding national swing voters

Think you'll find this is basically a reshuffling of the opposition
Again, he may be right this time.
naki111 wrote:In response to the Cunliffe detractors, purely anecdotal, but I've met an awful lot of National voters in the last couple of weeks who have said they would jump ship next year if Cunliffe got it. A genuine opposition leader and a genuine alternative to what most see as a government mired in tyranny. Those that think he's 'too ambitious' are in the wrong place. Labour needs someone f**king ruthless who's been eyeing this job up since they were in nappies and Cunliffe is the man for that.

Re: NZ Politics Thread

Posted: Fri Aug 04, 2017 2:35 pm
by Kahu
the only thing worse than being talked about is not being talked about....except if you are the National Party prior the dumping of Andrew Little. Labour were cruising for a bruising thanks to the efforts of Turei. erecting Ardern as leader had made this into an actual competition. Hatred for and of the government is extremely high and the only thing saving them has been the apathy combined with the scorn for the greens of the average centre left/labour voter. National need to do something, Bill cannot win this election by winning the debates and media polls. From my pov i think the best person instead of Bill English to face JA would have been Katherine Rich.

what value do we kiwi posters assign to Carmel Fisher selling her share of Fisher Funds to TSB?

Re: NZ Politics Thread

Posted: Fri Aug 04, 2017 2:49 pm
by Wignu
They should put Joyce up for the debates.

Re: NZ Politics Thread

Posted: Fri Aug 04, 2017 9:47 pm
by Auckman
"Let's do this!"

I immediately thought of the last action movie when I heard that saying. Similar to "Let's roll!". It's an action saying in common Millenial parlance so this context should immediately resonate with those born after 1980 and others who are "youth-adjacent". 8)


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Re: NZ Politics Thread

Posted: Fri Aug 04, 2017 9:49 pm
by Enzedder
Kahu wrote:the only thing worse than being talked about is not being talked about....except if you are the National Party prior the dumping of Andrew Little. Labour were cruising for a bruising thanks to the efforts of Turei. erecting Ardern as leader had made this into an actual competition. Hatred for and of the government is extremely high and the only thing saving them has been the apathy combined with the scorn for the greens of the average centre left/labour voter. National need to do something, Bill cannot win this election by winning the debates and media polls. From my pov i think the best person instead of Bill English to face JA would have been Katherine Rich.

what value do we kiwi posters assign to Carmel Fisher selling her share of Fisher Funds to TSB?

Nah, Truckstop Paula is better. :lol:

Re: NZ Politics Thread

Posted: Fri Aug 04, 2017 9:50 pm
by Enzedder
Wignu wrote:They should put Joyce up for the debates.
You are right in that he runs National but ... He can't stand up that long. :blush:

Re: NZ Politics Thread

Posted: Fri Aug 04, 2017 10:23 pm
by brat
Mr Mike wrote:
brat wrote:
naki111 wrote:
SecretAgentMan wrote:
naki111 wrote:The whinging from National voters on social media about Ardern being given a free ride by the media is too much. Even Brownlee has been in on the act which is pretty pathetic.
They must be itching to go full attack dog on her, but know that risks inviting a huge backlash.
Yep. National is basically powerless to do anything at this point except sit back and watch Ardern steal a shedload of swing voters who have voted blue for the last 9 years. If they attack her they look guilty of the exact same thing they've accused Labour of their entire tenure in opposition i.e being 'negative'. National's record of achievements in government has been pretty underwhelming given the number of terms and political capital (cue: 'but, but, but, the.... earthquakes....! GFC....!') they've had to do essentially what they want in power so I can't see leaning on achievements as a strategy to win this one.

National's numbers in the polls have been really high for a long time. However, I get the impression that there are a lot of swing voters dissatisfied with the way National is running things yet can't bring themselves to vote for Labour because of leadership and credibility issues. In other words, those mid to high 40s numbers haven't necessarily been an endorsement of National by almost half the electorate but rather a 'safe' vote in the face of a lack of alternative. If Labour can get their shit together with Ardern and Davis while presenting two or three key policies and sticking to a simple message, there are a lot of votes to steal from National there.
Think your impression is wrong regarding national swing voters

Think you'll find this is basically a reshuffling of the opposition
Again, he may be right this time.
naki111 wrote:In response to the Cunliffe detractors, purely anecdotal, but I've met an awful lot of National voters in the last couple of weeks who have said they would jump ship next year if Cunliffe got it. A genuine opposition leader and a genuine alternative to what most see as a government mired in tyranny. Those that think he's 'too ambitious' are in the wrong place. Labour needs someone f**king ruthless who's been eyeing this job up since they were in nappies and Cunliffe is the man for that.
You have a good memory Mike

It's going to be an interesting election, but winston will still hold the balance of power. -and she's already poked the bear -not clever

Re: NZ Politics Thread

Posted: Sat Aug 05, 2017 1:40 am
by eugenius
brat wrote:
naki111 wrote:
SecretAgentMan wrote:
naki111 wrote:The whinging from National voters on social media about Ardern being given a free ride by the media is too much. Even Brownlee has been in on the act which is pretty pathetic.
They must be itching to go full attack dog on her, but know that risks inviting a huge backlash.
Yep. National is basically powerless to do anything at this point except sit back and watch Ardern steal a shedload of swing voters who have voted blue for the last 9 years. If they attack her they look guilty of the exact same thing they've accused Labour of their entire tenure in opposition i.e being 'negative'. National's record of achievements in government has been pretty underwhelming given the number of terms and political capital (cue: 'but, but, but, the.... earthquakes....! GFC....!') they've had to do essentially what they want in power so I can't see leaning on achievements as a strategy to win this one.

National's numbers in the polls have been really high for a long time. However, I get the impression that there are a lot of swing voters dissatisfied with the way National is running things yet can't bring themselves to vote for Labour because of leadership and credibility issues. In other words, those mid to high 40s numbers haven't necessarily been an endorsement of National by almost half the electorate but rather a 'safe' vote in the face of a lack of alternative. If Labour can get their shit together with Ardern and Davis while presenting two or three key policies and sticking to a simple message, there are a lot of votes to steal from National there.
Think your impression is wrong regarding national swing voters

Think you'll find this is basically a reshuffling of the opposition

Not quite so sure of that now .

Just back from doing some doorknocking for Duncan Webb - Christchurch Central , we had the Merivale side of the street and I was surprised how many people said 'we are National
Voters, but we like Jacinda ' & just about every single woman seemed to be switching to Labour.

Not quite what I had steeled myself for !

Re: NZ Politics Thread

Posted: Sat Aug 05, 2017 1:49 am
by deadduck
People will say just about anything to get you to leave

Re: NZ Politics Thread

Posted: Sat Aug 05, 2017 2:01 am
by eugenius
Not so ...

I've been doing this for sometime now and there's a change.

Re: NZ Politics Thread

Posted: Sat Aug 05, 2017 2:14 am
by Flockwitt
eugenius wrote:Not so ...

I've been doing this for sometime now and there's a change.
Might be safe in saying Labour have actually got an electable candidate regardless of her relative youth and inexperience?

Re: NZ Politics Thread

Posted: Sat Aug 05, 2017 2:29 am
by Auckman
deadduck wrote:People will say just about anything to get you to leave
:lol: :lol:

zinger.

Well done Eug for getting out there.

Re: NZ Politics Thread

Posted: Sat Aug 05, 2017 3:35 am
by Tehui
naki111 wrote:The whinging from National voters on social media about Ardern being given a free ride by the media is too much.
John Key was given the same armchair ride for years. Key could fart during an interview and Mike Hosking would attempt to justify it by saying it was a sign the economy was doing well.

Re: NZ Politics Thread

Posted: Sat Aug 05, 2017 3:36 am
by Tehui
I thought my party vote was locked in a week ago. But I'm considering voting for Labour just for the Lolz. I haven't voted for them for years.

Re: NZ Politics Thread

Posted: Sat Aug 05, 2017 3:45 am
by Wilderbeast
Tehui wrote:I thought my party vote was locked in a week ago. But I'm considering voting for Labour just for the Lolz. I haven't voted for them for years.
Where was it before that? if you don't mind me asking.

I was leaning greens but Turei's recent revelations (and, more importantly, her lack of contrition) combined with the rise of Davis and Ardern (probably the two Labour MPs I respect most) has me rethinking. I also really like English and consider National the more competent party in general so a flip flop back to national isn't out of the question.

Re: NZ Politics Thread

Posted: Sat Aug 05, 2017 3:48 am
by Tehui
Wilderbeast wrote:
Tehui wrote:I thought my party vote was locked in a week ago. But I'm considering voting for Labour just for the Lolz. I haven't voted for them for years.
Where was it before that? if you don't mind me asking.

I was leaning greens but Turei's recent revelations (and, more importantly, her lack of contrition) combined with the rise of Davis and Ardern (probably the two Labour MPs I respect most) has me rethinking. I also really like English and consider National the more competent party in general so a flip flop back to national isn't out of the question.
I have voted for different parties over the years. There are policies & personalities that i both like and loathe with every party.

Re: NZ Politics Thread

Posted: Sat Aug 05, 2017 3:53 am
by Wilderbeast
I have been quite consistently National except during the brash reign when I voted united future (a terrible idea in retrospect. I like Dunne but the rest can jump off a cliff).

Too young before that. Though would've voted National if given the choice.

Re: NZ Politics Thread

Posted: Sat Aug 05, 2017 7:45 am
by Thai guy
Wilderbeast wrote:
Tehui wrote:I thought my party vote was locked in a week ago. But I'm considering voting for Labour just for the Lolz. I haven't voted for them for years.
Where was it before that? if you don't mind me asking.

I was leaning greens but Turei's recent revelations (and, more importantly, her lack of contrition) combined with the rise of Davis and Ardern (probably the two Labour MPs I respect most) has me rethinking. I also really like English and consider National the more competent party in general so a flip flop back to national isn't out of the question.
:? You are literally all over the place. Do you pick by colour?

Some people vote by personality, who they like on a particular day. That's fine I guess but you leave yourself open to media manipulation.

I vote on philosophy, social consciousness, and moral values.

Re: NZ Politics Thread

Posted: Sat Aug 05, 2017 7:50 am
by kiweez
I've just realised that since I started voting in 1987, I've voted for the successful local candidate in a winning FPP election, and since MMP, my party vote has gone to the successful party in leading a government (so yes, I've swung my vote around over the years, based on various reasons).

What are other people's strike rates like in NZ politics...?

Re: NZ Politics Thread

Posted: Sat Aug 05, 2017 8:33 am
by Enzedder
kiweez wrote:I've just realised that since I started voting in 1987, I've voted for the successful local candidate in a winning FPP election, and since MMP, my party vote has gone to the successful party in leading a government (so yes, I've swung my vote around over the years, based on various reasons).

What are other people's strike rates like in NZ politics...?
Crap since Jong Kee came along. I just didn't like his policies (i.e. selling the family silver and giving the money to the rich)

Re: NZ Politics Thread

Posted: Sat Aug 05, 2017 8:52 am
by jambanja
Enzedder wrote:
Wignu wrote:They should put Joyce up for the debates.
You are right in that he runs National but ... He can't stand up that long. :blush:
He said Joyce not Brownlee, cmon Enz, walk in with the bowling

Re: NZ Politics Thread

Posted: Sat Aug 05, 2017 9:11 am
by Wilderbeast
Thai guy wrote:
Wilderbeast wrote:
Tehui wrote:I thought my party vote was locked in a week ago. But I'm considering voting for Labour just for the Lolz. I haven't voted for them for years.
Where was it before that? if you don't mind me asking.

I was leaning greens but Turei's recent revelations (and, more importantly, her lack of contrition) combined with the rise of Davis and Ardern (probably the two Labour MPs I respect most) has me rethinking. I also really like English and consider National the more competent party in general so a flip flop back to national isn't out of the question.
:? You are literally all over the place. Do you pick by colour?

Some people vote by personality, who they like on a particular day. That's fine I guess but you leave yourself open to media manipulation.

I vote on philosophy, social consciousness, and moral values.
I am literally undecided. Read my post instead of babbling on about colours and shit like that. I take voting seriously. I also realise political parties are not like sports teams and do not deserve my unwavering allegiance.

Re: NZ Politics Thread

Posted: Sat Aug 05, 2017 9:33 am
by Thai guy
Wilderbeast wrote:
Thai guy wrote:
Wilderbeast wrote:
Tehui wrote:I thought my party vote was locked in a week ago. But I'm considering voting for Labour just for the Lolz. I haven't voted for them for years.
Where was it before that? if you don't mind me asking.

I was leaning greens but Turei's recent revelations (and, more importantly, her lack of contrition) combined with the rise of Davis and Ardern (probably the two Labour MPs I respect most) has me rethinking. I also really like English and consider National the more competent party in general so a flip flop back to national isn't out of the question.
:? You are literally all over the place. Do you pick by colour?

Some people vote by personality, who they like on a particular day. That's fine I guess but you leave yourself open to media manipulation.

I vote on philosophy, social consciousness, and moral values.
I am literally undecided. Read my post instead of babbling on about colours and shit like that. I take voting seriously. I also realise political parties are not like sports teams and do not deserve my unwavering allegiance.
I get you are undecided. From your previous post it looks like you've never been decided. I don't get how you can effortlessly swing from Green to Labour to National within a day. It's just not possible for a person with enduring values to do that.

Re: NZ Politics Thread

Posted: Sat Aug 05, 2017 10:16 am
by Demilich
Seneca of the Night wrote:So what's Winston gonna do?
The same thing he does every night Pinky... try to take over the wor... errr... I mean drink.... Winston is going to drink... it's the only guarantee.

Re: NZ Politics Thread

Posted: Sat Aug 05, 2017 10:42 am
by deadduck
Thai guy wrote:
Wilderbeast wrote:
Thai guy wrote:
Wilderbeast wrote:
Tehui wrote:I thought my party vote was locked in a week ago. But I'm considering voting for Labour just for the Lolz. I haven't voted for them for years.
Where was it before that? if you don't mind me asking.

I was leaning greens but Turei's recent revelations (and, more importantly, her lack of contrition) combined with the rise of Davis and Ardern (probably the two Labour MPs I respect most) has me rethinking. I also really like English and consider National the more competent party in general so a flip flop back to national isn't out of the question.
:? You are literally all over the place. Do you pick by colour?

Some people vote by personality, who they like on a particular day. That's fine I guess but you leave yourself open to media manipulation.

I vote on philosophy, social consciousness, and moral values.
I am literally undecided. Read my post instead of babbling on about colours and shit like that. I take voting seriously. I also realise political parties are not like sports teams and do not deserve my unwavering allegiance.
I get you are undecided. From your previous post it looks like you've never been decided. I don't get how you can effortlessly swing from Green to Labour to National within a day. It's just not possible for a person with enduring values to do that.
The parties aren't that different. Whenever I do those "who do I side with" surveys I typically score all of the Nats, Greens and Labour within 5% of each other.

When you're in the centre like me you have a few options

Re: NZ Politics Thread

Posted: Sat Aug 05, 2017 10:59 am
by Wilderbeast
Thai guy wrote:
Wilderbeast wrote:
Thai guy wrote:
Wilderbeast wrote:
Tehui wrote:I thought my party vote was locked in a week ago. But I'm considering voting for Labour just for the Lolz. I haven't voted for them for years.
Where was it before that? if you don't mind me asking.

I was leaning greens but Turei's recent revelations (and, more importantly, her lack of contrition) combined with the rise of Davis and Ardern (probably the two Labour MPs I respect most) has me rethinking. I also really like English and consider National the more competent party in general so a flip flop back to national isn't out of the question.
:? You are literally all over the place. Do you pick by colour?

Some people vote by personality, who they like on a particular day. That's fine I guess but you leave yourself open to media manipulation.

I vote on philosophy, social consciousness, and moral values.
I am literally undecided. Read my post instead of babbling on about colours and shit like that. I take voting seriously. I also realise political parties are not like sports teams and do not deserve my unwavering allegiance.
I get you are undecided. From your previous post it looks like you've never been decided. I don't get how you can effortlessly swing from Green to Labour to National within a day. It's just not possible for a person with enduring values to do that.
I didn't swing three ways in a day. I highlighted reasons why my vote my not be green (which is most likely). I'm not stupid enough to think the greens do all things better than all other parties.