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England vs South Africa (Twickenham, London)
Saturday 3 November at 15:00 GMT | 17:00 SAST (UTC+0)
Referee: Angus Gardner (Australia)
Assistant referees: Jérôme Carcès (France), Brendon Pickerill (New Zealand)
TMO: Olly Holmes (Ireland)

France vs South Africa (Stade de France, Paris)
Saturday 10 November at 21:05 CET | 22:05 SAST (UTC+1)
Referee: Nigel Owens (Wales)
Assistant referees: Matthew Carley and Tom Foley (England)
TMO: Rowan Kitt (England)

Scotland vs South Africa (BT Murrayfield, Edinburgh)
Saturday 17 November at 17:20 GMT | 19:20 SAST (UTC+0)
Referee: Romain Poite (France)
Assistant referees: Ben O’Keeffe (New Zealand), Frank Murphy (Ireland)
TMO: Ben Skeen (New Zealand)

Wales vs South Africa (Principality Stadium, Cardiff)
Saturday 24 November 2018 at 17:20 GMT | 19:20 SAST (UTC+0)
Referee: Luke Pearce (England)
Assistant referees: Wayne Barnes and Karl Dickson (England)
TMO: Simon McDowell (Ireland)


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Haha. But I really don't think so champ. That is just a ridiculous prediction. I for one think we stand a hell of a good chance of beating France. Probably better than a 50-50 chance too.


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are they really playing England at 3pm on Friday?


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Which of our overseas players aren't available for this?


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Which of our overseas players aren't available for this?

Faf apparently, Willie probably and I'm sure Bath would prefer Flo to play for the Boks rather than for them.

Goosen got injured over the weekend and Lambie is still out. Duane picked up an injury mid September but should be available

Of the local players who were injured some might be back:
Sbu Nkosi, Makazole Mapimpi, Warrick Gelant, Travis Ismaiel, Trevor Nyakane, Lood de Jager, Cyle Brink and Jean-Luc du Preez

Big issue is who would replace Faf as Rassie didn't give the reserve scrummies much game time so far


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South Africa have become the new France.

Capable of beating anyone but also losing to anyone.


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I think I read somewhere that he will be giving (hack spit) Cronje a go then.


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I think I read somewhere that he will be giving (hack spit) Cronje a go then.

Good option :)

Which of our scrummies are playing up north? Pienaar, Reinach, Hougaard ...


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Pienaar should be retired, Hougaard is retired and Reinachs brains is tired from trying to think to much.


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are they really playing England at 3pm on Friday?

No. Sat 3 Nov at 3 pm


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Pienaar should be retired, Hougaard is retired and Reinachs brains is tired from trying to think to much.


Kockott should be avaiable...


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South Africa have become the new France.

Capable of beating anyone but also losing to anyone.

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I think thats more a case of Rassies support team not being able to focus on more than one team in a season....
Maybe for the EOYT he will focus on France having prepped already against the English and will probably lose to Scotland and Wales.


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Sards wrote:
Average Joe wrote:
Pienaar should be retired, Hougaard is retired and Reinachs brains is tired from trying to think to much.


Kockott should be avaiable...


ja - but will they select him?

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Nic Groom who has just returned from injury may have a shout (see how he plays in the remaining currie cup games) and having recently played in the UK would be used to the conditions. However, personally, with us building towards a world cup I would like Rassie to stick with the youngsters he has recently selected, even if they play off the bench.


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Monk Zombie wrote:
Sards wrote:
Average Joe wrote:
Pienaar should be retired, Hougaard is retired and Reinachs brains is tired from trying to think to much.


Kockott should be avaiable...


ja - but will they select him?

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Going to the last two :proud:


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Going to the last two :proud:


Can you pass well? If so, bring your boots.


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Monk Zombie wrote:
Sards wrote:
Average Joe wrote:
Pienaar should be retired, Hougaard is retired and Reinachs brains is tired from trying to think to much.


Kockott should be avaiable...


ja - but will they select him?



I hope France select him to start. I watched him yesterday and his passing is dreadful. :nod:


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Sandstorm wrote:
Monk Zombie wrote:
Sards wrote:
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Pienaar should be retired, Hougaard is retired and Reinachs brains is tired from trying to think to much.


Kockott should be avaiable...


ja - but will they select him?



I hope France select him to start. I watched him yesterday and his passing is dreadful. :nod:


He has an awesome headbutt


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Tough schedule. We generally don't do well on the EOYT. I'm looking forward to this.


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Fsakes.

I have my 50th with around 100 people at my house on the 24th kicking off at 6:30. Some rabid rugby watchers amongst the guests. :(


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Fsakes.

I have my 50th with around 100 people at my house on the 24th kicking off at 6:30. Some rabid rugby watchers amongst the guests. :(

You're only 49? :shock:


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assfly wrote:
BokJock wrote:
Going to the last two :proud:


Can you pass well? If so, bring your boots.


About on par with Kurtley Beale...


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Prediction time. SA to beat England and Wales, and get beaten by France and Scotland.

Purely based on them playing generally badly against teams in blue.


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Jens or someone - some stats on previous EOYT results for some perspective?


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Jensrsa wrote:
assfly wrote:
Which of our overseas players aren't available for this?

Faf apparently, Willie probably and I'm sure Bath would prefer Flo to play for the Boks rather than for them.

Goosen got injured over the weekend and Lambie is still out. Duane picked up an injury mid September but should be available

Of the local players who were injured some might be back:
Sbu Nkosi, Makazole Mapimpi, Warrick Gelant, Travis Ismaiel, Trevor Nyakane, Lood de Jager, Cyle Brink and Jean-Luc du Preez

Big issue is who would replace Faf as Rassie didn't give the reserve scrummies much game time so far

I hope Rassie builds depth at 9 and 15 in particular. Our midfield is what it is, barring injury we'll have DDA/AE at 12 and Kriel/Am as the 13 options for the RWC it seems.

In the pack, still some questions at TH and 8 as well. Duane is easily the first choice, but will he be healthy and available? Whiteley always runs the risk of injury...who's next? Not Flo.


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barring injury we'll have DDA/AE at 12 and Kriel/Am as the 13 options for the RWC it seems..


Has Serfontein ruled himself out for the RWC?


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saffer13 wrote:
barring injury we'll have DDA/AE at 12 and Kriel/Am as the 13 options for the RWC it seems..


Has Serfontein ruled himself out for the RWC?


Serfontein is on Rassies second page of players playing overseas which he hasnt got to yet....the one with all the Bulls players on it.


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BokJock wrote:
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barring injury we'll have DDA/AE at 12 and Kriel/Am as the 13 options for the RWC it seems..


Has Serfontein ruled himself out for the RWC?

No, and coincidentally made his return this weekend so he might come into the mix, yes. Unfortunately, Goosen is still made out of glass and suffered a major ankle injury apparently.


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Cape Town - “Back to square one” would be an overly brutal call.
But if the gradually reawakening Springboks - remember, still a tenuous 50 percent in win record terms this season - manage, say, only a humdrum two (or heaven forbid fewer) victories on their four-match European tour next month, some doubters will almost inevitably make fresh noise.
That would be despite the striking gains made over the course of the most acid examination of them all this year: the thrilling, shared two-match challenge in the Rugby Championship against the world champion All Blacks.

It was abundantly clear in Wellington and Pretoria that South Africa have both greater quality and desire, against the best nation on the planet, than many of us would have imagined just before Rassie Erasmus’s head coaching tenure began.
Now the big challenge is to kick on from the gains made against the old enemy, and start knocking over more moderate foes with a better degree of consistency.

So this is where the end-of-year tour becomes an important barometer of whether the Boks are truly RWC 2019 contenders in Japan: they are yet to prove that they have the mettle to win regularly enough off their own turf.

One thing Heyneke Meyer was good at - ahead of leading the Boks to a narrow semi-final loss to New Zealand and then bronze medal at the 2015 World Cup - was spearheading successful raids on the northern hemisphere, despite the hazards of season-ending fatigue.
He engineered a three-match clean sweep in his maiden season (2012 - Ireland, Scotland, England) and another in 2013 (Wales, Scotland, France) even if things receded to two from four in 2014, the year before the World Cup in the UK.

If the current Boks want to confirm their renaissance, they must set themselves a minimum requirement of three victories from the four-game roster: England (November 3), France (November 10), Scotland (November 24) and Wales (November 24).
It seems all the more realistic when you consider that this tour dodges Ireland, the 2018 Six Nations champions and achievers of the Grand Slam, who are also presently ranked second on the World Rugby ladder.

Getting England out of the way first is also no bad thing, despite the match coming outside of the international window.
The hosts will be itching for revenge at Twickenham after their 2-1 series loss in South African during June, but at the same time many of the Bok players should still be buzzing from their undoubted heroism and long tracts of pleasing play across the two All Black epics of late.

No away game against a Six Nations side - generally barring Italy, with respect - can ever be taken for granted, but both France (eighth-ranked) and Scotland (sixth) look beatable, and then the Boks end with a crunch meeting against a Welsh side a little deceptively lying third as things stand.
Seeing off Wales in Cardiff would be a monkey off the back for the Boks, as they have lost to those foes an uncharacteristic four times in the last five encounters – something flying jarringly in the face of deeper bilateral history.

Of course it could also be a perilous exercise as it is the “one foot on a plane home to summer” fixture, but Erasmus’s troops should be game for one last, furious charge considering that bad run of modern results against the men in scarlet - including the dubious, experimental match in Washington DC to mark the coach’s debut at the strategic helm a few months ago.

The next few weeks will hopefully see a minimum of hard-pressed, core Bok players exposed to the closing stages of the Currie Cup: exceptions may be made for those who have been largely peripheral and need game time, or recent returnees from injury layoffs.
Instead conditioning and mental refreshment, in the majority of instances, will be key to a successful mission to Europe.
What is good about the end-of-year tour is that it fairly closely replicates a “World Cup” scenario, given the requirement (and all abroad, too) of four games in as many weeks.

Remember, during the Rugby Championship, teams play a maximum of two matches on the trot before a bye weekend.
The 2018 European tour is critical in only helping, ideally, to stiffen Bok squad unity and camaraderie, and educate some of the younger players, in particular, about the intensity levels required from one week to another ...


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England tend not to start test series very well and who knows who's going to be left standing after the European Cup rounds. You're also a bit of a bogey team for us, that plus your improved form against the All Blacks suggests to me that you'll take us at HQ.


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Jensrsa wrote:
assfly wrote:
Which of our overseas players aren't available for this?

Faf apparently, Willie probably and I'm sure Bath would prefer Flo to play for the Boks rather than for them.

Goosen got injured over the weekend and Lambie is still out. Duane picked up an injury mid September but should be available

Of the local players who were injured some might be back:
Sbu Nkosi, Makazole Mapimpi, Warrick Gelant, Travis Ismaiel, Trevor Nyakane, Lood de Jager, Cyle Brink and Jean-Luc du Preez

Big issue is who would replace Faf as Rassie didn't give the reserve scrummies much game time so far

I hope Rassie builds depth at 9 and 15 in particular. Our midfield is what it is, barring injury we'll have DDA/AE at 12 and Kriel/Am as the 13 options for the RWC it seems.

In the pack, still some questions at TH and 8 as well. Duane is easily the first choice, but will he be healthy and available? Whiteley always runs the risk of injury...who's next? Not Flo.


Time to bring in a couple of Durban-based brothers in the backrow (if only to shut Ox/Assfly/Oxbot the fcuk up!) Flo is passed it.

Gellant and Willemse as back 15 to Willie (Willemse can also slot in at 10 in an emergency)

Papier and 3rd/4th ranked scrumhalf needs MUCH more time on the field - we already know what we're getting from Faf.


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Sandstorm wrote:
saffer13 wrote:
Jensrsa wrote:
assfly wrote:
Which of our overseas players aren't available for this?

Faf apparently, Willie probably and I'm sure Bath would prefer Flo to play for the Boks rather than for them.

Goosen got injured over the weekend and Lambie is still out. Duane picked up an injury mid September but should be available

Of the local players who were injured some might be back:
Sbu Nkosi, Makazole Mapimpi, Warrick Gelant, Travis Ismaiel, Trevor Nyakane, Lood de Jager, Cyle Brink and Jean-Luc du Preez

Big issue is who would replace Faf as Rassie didn't give the reserve scrummies much game time so far

I hope Rassie builds depth at 9 and 15 in particular. Our midfield is what it is, barring injury we'll have DDA/AE at 12 and Kriel/Am as the 13 options for the RWC it seems.

In the pack, still some questions at TH and 8 as well. Duane is easily the first choice, but will he be healthy and available? Whiteley always runs the risk of injury...who's next? Not Flo.


Time to bring in a couple of Durban-based brothers in the backrow (if only to shut Ox/Assfly/Oxbot the fcuk up!) Flo is passed it.

Gellant and Willemse as back 15 to Willie (Willemse can also slot in at 10 in an emergency)

Papier and 3rd/4th ranked scrumhalf needs MUCH more time on the field - we already know what we're getting from Faf.

Agree with all that.
Willemse showed us a glimpse of what he's capable of. I still wish Rassie would move him to the backup 10 instead of Jantjies but it's probably too late for that now. He and Gelant to provide 15 backup. I hope Gelant is ready to go and finds form for the EOYT.


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Currie Cup in the next 3 weeks will be very interesting to see who is in form and who stays fit.


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Sandstorm wrote:

Papier and 3rd/4th ranked scrumhalf needs MUCH more time on the field - we already know what we're getting from Faf.


Agreed, Papier really needs some time on the field to see what he can do.

The answer to the back up 9 surely can't be Cronje and definitely should not be van Zyl


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The answer to the back up 9 surely can't be Cronje and definitely should not be van Zyl


God no!!!


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BokJock wrote:
Sandstorm wrote:

Papier and 3rd/4th ranked scrumhalf needs MUCH more time on the field - we already know what we're getting from Faf.


Agreed, Papier really needs some time on the field to see what he can do.

The answer to the back up 9 surely can't be Cronje and definitely should not be van Zyl

This.

Hopefully Papier gets CC time as first choice.


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Regarding TH's - is Coenie back and ready to play yet?


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