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 Post subject: Re: Official NFL 2014
PostPosted: Tue Sep 09, 2014 1:43 am 
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Feel kind of bad for Ray Rice, to lose everything over possibly one mistake.


Did you see the fúcking video?

Yea he punches her...


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Feel kind of bad for Ray Rice, to lose everything over possibly one mistake.


Did you see the fúcking video?

Yea he punches her...


And spits


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Surprised at how solidly Detroit are beating the Giants.


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Damn!

The flooding in Phoenix... :shock:

Go, Cards!


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Chris Berman will be the play-by-play man for Armageddon. That will be part of the suffering.


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:lol:

Yeah, Al and Chris on SNF spoil us...

Good game nonetheless - well, very good 2nd half anyway, and a great result. :o


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 Post subject: Re: Official NFL 2014
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douche_chill wrote:
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Feel kind of bad for Ray Rice, to lose everything over possibly one mistake.


Did you see the fúcking video?

Yea he punches her...

He'll still have a few bucks in the bank, so it's hardly losing everything.

Good riddance to the scumbag.


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Feel kind of bad for Ray Rice, to lose everything over possibly one mistake.

:uhoh:


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Goodell is fúcked.


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Yup. He blatantly lied about it on TV yesterday. He's toast.

The upshot of Goodell going will be that we'll avoid his ridiculous vanity project in London.


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 Post subject: Re: Official NFL 2014
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Feel kind of bad for Ray Rice, to lose everything over possibly one mistake.

:uhoh:

What? You think his wife is happy about the punishment?


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 Post subject: Re: Official NFL 2014
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douche_chill wrote:
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Feel kind of bad for Ray Rice, to lose everything over possibly one mistake.

:uhoh:

What? You think his wife is happy about the punishment?

She's the victim of domestic abuse, her I feel desperately sorry for. Him, not so much. If you don't want to lose your job, maybe don't spit on and punch your partner?

In other news John Abraham has apparently been suffering from bad memory loss for a year, got another bang Monday night and he's taken leave to decide what he wants to do.


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 Post subject: Re: Official NFL 2014
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douche_chill wrote:
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Feel kind of bad for Ray Rice, to lose everything over possibly one mistake.


Did you see the fúcking video?

Yea he punches her...


No surprise that a dumb cunt like you would be thinking that way.


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 Post subject: Re: Official NFL 2014
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The problem with sacking Rice is that its indirectly punishing his wife and child with t.he loss of incom and a quality of life


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 Post subject: Re: Official NFL 2014
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The problem with sacking Rice is that its indirectly punishing his wife and child with t.he loss of incom and a quality of life


That's still his fault. He punches her, he loses his income, they suffer, maybe he learns his lesson.

On the other hand, he punches her, he doesn't lose his income, she still suffers and he more than likely doesn't learn his lesson.


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 Post subject: Re: Official NFL 2014
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The Native wrote:
douche_chill wrote:
rugbot 2.0 wrote:
douche_chill wrote:
Feel kind of bad for Ray Rice, to lose everything over possibly one mistake.


Did you see the fúcking video?

Yea he punches her...


No surprise that a dumb cunt like you would be thinking that way.
Look at your amazing brain power on the other hand.
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The problem with sacking Rice is that its indirectly punishing his wife and child with t.he loss of incom and a quality of life


That's still his fault. He punches her, he loses his income, they suffer, maybe he learns his lesson.

On the other hand, he punches her, he doesn't lose his income, she still suffers and he more than likely doesn't learn his lesson.
Impressive reasoning
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Feel kind of bad for Ray Rice, to lose everything over possibly one mistake.

:uhoh:

What? You think his wife is happy about the punishment?

She's the victim of domestic abuse, her I feel desperately sorry for. Him, not so much. If you don't want to lose your job, maybe don't spit on and punch your partner?

What do you do for a living? Let's say you're very successful, earning millions at the top of your field and you do this. Should you banned from ever working in the same industry or even related fields? I can understand if it's a field where moral integrity is particularly important but he's a running back, this is completely irrelevant to what he does. Except apparently this is such a heinous crime he should never be allowed to do the thing he's good at and worked his whole life for ever again. The victim has forgiven him but we are all so high and mighty that we decide he gets no chance at redemption.

If people really cared about the victim they would not be so happy to punish her. It's not about her though is it, people are just happy to have another chance to be morally outraged, never mind stopping to think about the effect it has on people actually involved.


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 Post subject: Re: Official NFL 2014
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I hope any NZ'ers in here who agree with the punishment boycott radio sport for rehiring Tony Veitch. How dare those fukcers give him a second chance.


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 Post subject: Re: Official NFL 2014
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douche_chill, you're someone that feels sorry for someone guilty of spousal abuse. You're virtually condoning what he did by your attitude confirming what many on the bored already thought of you.


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The Native wrote:
CrazyIslander wrote:
The problem with sacking Rice is that its indirectly punishing his wife and child with t.he loss of incom and a quality of life


That's still his fault. He punches her, he loses his income, they suffer, maybe he learns his lesson.

On the other hand, he punches her, he doesn't lose his income, she still suffers and he more than likely doesn't learn his lesson.

Theres no doubting whose fault it is but the punishhment is indirectly dished out on the victim (wife) and child. People can sit on their high horses and point their fingers then move on with their lives. But for that family their main source of income and a bright future is gone. If the wife is willing to move on then let them be. Sh holds all the aces, she can divorce him and get child support alimony etc later. That way they still can have a quality of live. Its tough out there.


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The problem with sacking Rice is that its indirectly punishing his wife and child with t.he loss of incom and a quality of life


That's still his fault. He punches her, he loses his income, they suffer, maybe he learns his lesson.

On the other hand, he punches her, he doesn't lose his income, she still suffers and he more than likely doesn't learn his lesson.

Theres no doubting whose fault it is but the punishhment is indirectly dished out on the victim (wife) and child. People can sit on their high horses and point their fingers then move on with their lives. But for that family their main source of income and a bright future is gone. If the wife is willing to move on then let them be. Sh holds all the aces, she can divorce him and get child support alimony etc later. That way they still can have a quality of live. Its tough out there.


So an athlete with an average annual salary of $7mil is now destitute with no assets because he's been released form his contract for spousal abuse?


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 Post subject: Re: Official NFL 2014
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douche_chill, you're someone that feels sorry for someone guilty of spousal abuse. You're virtually condoning what he did by your attitude confirming what many on the bored already thought of you.

What about the victim? She married him, she presumably loves him. The man she recently married has had his career, legacy, reputation and the thing he loves to do taken away from him with no realistic chance of redemption. She is devastated by this, do you care about the victim in this situation or not?


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 Post subject: Re: Official NFL 2014
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douche_chill, you're someone that feels sorry for someone guilty of spousal abuse. You're virtually condoning what he did by your attitude confirming what many on the bored already thought of you.

What about the victim? She married him, she presumably loves him. The man she recently married has had his career, legacy, reputation and the thing he loves to do taken away from him with no realistic chance of redemption. She is devastated by this, do you care about the victim in this situation or not?


Stop trying to mitigate your disgusting acceptance of spousal abuse.


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 Post subject: Re: Official NFL 2014
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What do you do for a living? Let's say you're very successful, earning millions at the top of your field and you do this. Should you banned from ever working in the same industry or even related fields? I can understand if it's a field where moral integrity is particularly important but he's a running back, this is completely irrelevant to what he does. Except apparently this is such a heinous crime he should never be allowed to do the thing he's good at and worked his whole life for ever again. The victim has forgiven him but we are all so high and mighty that we decide he gets no chance at redemption.

If people really cared about the victim they would not be so happy to punish her. It's not about her though is it, people are just happy to have another chance to be morally outraged, never mind stopping to think about the effect it has on people actually involved.

It is a field where moral integrity is important though, or at least it should be. Sport, whether you think it should be or not, is inexorably linked with society and politics. Now whether he should be banned forever I'm not so sure about. I'd say a good couple of years at least, then if a team wants to take a chance on a person like that then fair enough. Still, he's 27 and coming off an absolutely dreadful year. No guarantee that a team would touch him after a couple of years.

As for saying the victim has forgiven him, well she might have or she might not have. Everything she's said and done so far reads exactly like a classic abuse victim to me. And Christ, how is this punishing her? Her abusive scumbag husband loses his job? They should have a few million stashed away already, they've presumably got property, she could always go get a job herself if she doesn't have one already.


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 Post subject: Re: Official NFL 2014
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I hope any NZ'ers in here who agree with the punishment boycott radio sport for rehiring Tony Veitch. How dare those fukcers give him a second chance.


Wrong, like you are about everything else. Unless Rice fucks up again, he'll be an NFL player once more come 2015. Probably after going on Oprah and crying.


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What do you do for a living? Let's say you're very successful, earning millions at the top of your field and you do this. Should you banned from ever working in the same industry or even related fields? I can understand if it's a field where moral integrity is particularly important but he's a running back, this is completely irrelevant to what he does. Except apparently this is such a heinous crime he should never be allowed to do the thing he's good at and worked his whole life for ever again. The victim has forgiven him but we are all so high and mighty that we decide he gets no chance at redemption.

If people really cared about the victim they would not be so happy to punish her. It's not about her though is it, people are just happy to have another chance to be morally outraged, never mind stopping to think about the effect it has on people actually involved.

It is a field where moral integrity is important though, or at least it should be. Sport, whether you think it should be or not, is inexorably linked with society and politics. Now whether he should be banned forever I'm not so sure about. I'd say a good couple of years at least, then if a team wants to take a chance on a person like that then fair enough. Still, he's 27 and coming off an absolutely dreadful year. No guarantee that a team would touch him after a couple of years.

As for saying the victim has forgiven him, well she might have or she might not have. Everything she's said and done so far reads exactly like a classic abuse victim to me. And Christ, how is this punishing her? Her abusive scumbag husband loses his job? They should have a few million stashed away already, they've presumably got property, she could always go get a job herself if she doesn't have one already.

She claims she has and she went on to marry him, but do you know better? I said in a previous post how this is punishing her so I wont repeat, read what she said if you want to know the effect it's had on her.
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I hope any NZ'ers in here who agree with the punishment boycott radio sport for rehiring Tony Veitch. How dare those fukcers give him a second chance.


Wrong, like you are about everything else. Unless Rice f**k up again, he'll be an NFL player once more come 2015. Probably after going on Oprah and crying.

What am I wrong about? Your post isn't very clear. He is banned indefinitely...


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douche_chill wrote:
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What do you do for a living? Let's say you're very successful, earning millions at the top of your field and you do this. Should you banned from ever working in the same industry or even related fields? I can understand if it's a field where moral integrity is particularly important but he's a running back, this is completely irrelevant to what he does. Except apparently this is such a heinous crime he should never be allowed to do the thing he's good at and worked his whole life for ever again. The victim has forgiven him but we are all so high and mighty that we decide he gets no chance at redemption.

If people really cared about the victim they would not be so happy to punish her. It's not about her though is it, people are just happy to have another chance to be morally outraged, never mind stopping to think about the effect it has on people actually involved.

It is a field where moral integrity is important though, or at least it should be. Sport, whether you think it should be or not, is inexorably linked with society and politics. Now whether he should be banned forever I'm not so sure about. I'd say a good couple of years at least, then if a team wants to take a chance on a person like that then fair enough. Still, he's 27 and coming off an absolutely dreadful year. No guarantee that a team would touch him after a couple of years.

As for saying the victim has forgiven him, well she might have or she might not have. Everything she's said and done so far reads exactly like a classic abuse victim to me. And Christ, how is this punishing her? Her abusive scumbag husband loses his job? They should have a few million stashed away already, they've presumably got property, she could always go get a job herself if she doesn't have one already.

She claims she has and she went on to marry him, but do you know better? I said in a previous post how this is punishing her so I wont repeat, read what she said if you want to know the effect it's had on her.

I know about as much as you do. And really all you're saying is another spin on the old trope of 'why did she stay?'

Anyway, you've now moved on from feeling sorry for Rice to feeling sorry for his wife. If you'd started with that I might have had some sympathy.


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Wrong, like you are about everything else. Unless Rice f**k up again, he'll be an NFL player once more come 2015. Probably after going on Oprah and crying.

What am I wrong about? Your post isn't very clear. He is banned indefinitely...


He's not banned indefinitely. He's suspended indefinitely. Just like Michael Vick was. And look where Vick is now. Back playing.


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Dumbledore wrote:
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What do you do for a living? Let's say you're very successful, earning millions at the top of your field and you do this. Should you banned from ever working in the same industry or even related fields? I can understand if it's a field where moral integrity is particularly important but he's a running back, this is completely irrelevant to what he does. Except apparently this is such a heinous crime he should never be allowed to do the thing he's good at and worked his whole life for ever again. The victim has forgiven him but we are all so high and mighty that we decide he gets no chance at redemption.

If people really cared about the victim they would not be so happy to punish her. It's not about her though is it, people are just happy to have another chance to be morally outraged, never mind stopping to think about the effect it has on people actually involved.

It is a field where moral integrity is important though, or at least it should be. Sport, whether you think it should be or not, is inexorably linked with society and politics. Now whether he should be banned forever I'm not so sure about. I'd say a good couple of years at least, then if a team wants to take a chance on a person like that then fair enough. Still, he's 27 and coming off an absolutely dreadful year. No guarantee that a team would touch him after a couple of years.

As for saying the victim has forgiven him, well she might have or she might not have. Everything she's said and done so far reads exactly like a classic abuse victim to me. And Christ, how is this punishing her? Her abusive scumbag husband loses his job? They should have a few million stashed away already, they've presumably got property, she could always go get a job herself if she doesn't have one already.

She claims she has and she went on to marry him, but do you know better? I said in a previous post how this is punishing her so I wont repeat, read what she said if you want to know the effect it's had on her.

I know about as much as you do. And really all you're saying is another spin on the old trope of 'why did she stay?'

Anyway, you've now moved on from feeling sorry for Rice to feeling sorry for his wife. If you'd started with that I might have had some sympathy.

How severe would the punishment need to be until you felt sorry for him?
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Wrong, like you are about everything else. Unless Rice f**k up again, he'll be an NFL player once more come 2015. Probably after going on Oprah and crying.

What am I wrong about? Your post isn't very clear. He is banned indefinitely...


He's not banned indefinitely. He's suspended indefinitely. Just like Michael Vick was. And look where Vick is now. Back playing.
Semantics aside the assumption is he's gone for good, that is what everyone agreeing with the punishment thinks and that's what I'm disagreeing with.


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 Post subject: Re: Official NFL 2014
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Feel kind of bad for Ray Rice, to lose everything over possibly one mistake.


Did you see the fúcking video?

Yea he punches her...

He'll still have a few bucks in the bank, so it's hardly losing everything.

Good riddance to the scumbag.

What's your opinion on Veitch?


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 Post subject: Re: Official NFL 2014
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Not exactly the best PR week for the NFL...


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What are the details on AP exactly? Took a switch to his kid and...?


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What are the details on AP exactly? Took a switch to his kid and...?


Bleeding and bruises supposedly. I had never heard the term "switch" til today.


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Yeah, just reading up on Deadspin. Feel bad for AP. Big cultural differences between his upbringing in east Texas and baby mama in Minnesota (presumably). I think it's a case of her being horrified versus him thinking that was exactly how he was raised.


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The beating allegedly resulted in numerous injuries to the child, including cuts and bruises to the child’s back, buttocks, ankles, legs and scrotum, along with defensive wounds to the child’s hands. Peterson then texted the boy’s mother, saying that one wound in particular would make her “mad at me about his leg. I got kinda good wit the tail end of the switch.”
Peterson also allegedly said via text message to the child’s mother that he “felt bad after the fact when I notice the switch was wrapping around hitting I (sic) thigh” and also acknowledged the injury to the child’s scrotum in a text message, saying, “Got him in nuts once I noticed. But I felt so bad, n I’m all tearing that butt up when needed! I start putting them in timeout. N save the whooping for needed memories!”

According to police reports, the child, however, had a slightly different story, telling authorities that “Daddy Peterson hit me on my face.” The child also expressed worry that Peterson would punch him in the face if the child reported the incident to authorities. He also said that he had been hit by a belt and that “there are a lot of belts in Daddy’s closet.” He added that Peterson put leaves in his mouth when he was being hit with the switch while his pants were down. The child told his mother that Peterson “likes belts and switches” and “has a whooping room.”

When Peterson was asked how he felt about the incident, he said, “To be honest with you, I feel very confident with my actions because I know my intent.” He also described the incident as a “normal whooping” in regards to the “welps” on the child’s buttocks, but that he felt bad immediately when he saw the injuries on the child’s legs. Peterson estimated he “swatted” his son “10 to 15” times, but he’s not sure because he doesn’t “ever count how many pops I give my kids.”


http://houston.cbslocal.com/2014/09/12/ ... t-charges/

Man-beast brutalises four-year-old child, sees nothing wrong with it :uhoh:


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I really don't think it's that straightforward but accept some will see it that way. Have no doubt AP was carrying out the same punishment he himself experienced as a child. Not justifying it, simply saying that we shouldn't rush to vilify in the wake of Rice. Flat out punching a woman was never an accepted act, but taking a switch to your kid sadly has a long and continuing history in parts of the US (and elsewhere, I'm sure).


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I really don't think it's that straightforward but accept some will see it that way. Have no doubt AP was carrying out the same punishment he himself experienced as a child. Not justifying it, simply saying that we shouldn't rush to vilify in the wake of Rice. Flat out punching a woman was never an accepted act, but taking a switch to your kid sadly has a long and continuing history in parts of the US (and elsewhere, I'm sure).

I get that, but just because something has a long history doesn't mean we should be accepting it in 2014.


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Full agreement on that point.


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I can't understand how a guy who lost a child to an assault can lay a hand on one of his children after that


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This is the 45th arrest of a Viking since 2000 btw, 730 league wide. Goodell should go for that stat alone. When he became Commissioner he was going to be the one who cleaned it up, instead he has been inconsistent on actual crime and only consistent in punishing excessive celebration of the field. :uhoh:


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 Post subject: Re: Official NFL 2014
PostPosted: Sat Sep 13, 2014 7:03 am 
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douche_chill wrote:
I hope any NZ'ers in here who agree with the punishment boycott radio sport for rehiring Tony Veitch. How dare those fukcers give him a second chance.


I do


I think it is disgusting that he is still broadcasting


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