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Plunkett is unique in that he wasn't starting QB at the beginning of the season - for BOTH his Superbowl wins.Flyin Ryan wrote:Jim Plunkett (Raiders, 1980 and 1983 - I don't know anything about his playing career, I guess a good parallel to Eli of some people make the case for him and some don't)
The deal with Hostetler, Simms got injured earlier in the season and by the time of the Super Bowl, Simms was ready to play again. Parcells made the decision to stick with Hostetler. I wonder how damning that decision was to Simms' career as a whole as far as how people perceived him.Yer Man wrote:Plunkett is unique in that he wasn't starting QB at the beginning of the season - for BOTH his Superbowl wins.Flyin Ryan wrote:Jim Plunkett (Raiders, 1980 and 1983 - I don't know anything about his playing career, I guess a good parallel to Eli of some people make the case for him and some don't)
Many others have picked the job up during the season, e.g. Nick Foles, Jeff Hostetler and even Tom Brady (1st SB)
Realized Sydvicious I never answered this.I'm asking this as an outsider. I knew about Eli Manning before I was even remotely interested in following the game. Yet, I don't see why, other than that he was "hyped".
Tyree and Mannigham with two of the all time great catches. And the DL played incredibly well.Yer Man wrote:And two Superbowls.Sydvicious wrote:I was listening to a show yesterday where they talked bout Manning. If you look at his career stats, he was an average QB at best. Did he just get by on his name?Flyin Ryan wrote:Eli Manning benched by the Giants.
From the outside, it always appeared to me McAdoo was fired because he benched Eli. Now we're into week 3 of the next season, Eli is benched, and it makes Eli look even more like the problem and McAdoo just a scapegoat.
Watched 3 minutes of Sportscenter this morning:
-38 different starting QBs thru Week 3 (39 if Cam Newton is out). Most ever.
-4 Super Bowl winning QBs that started Week 1 but won't in Week 3 (Roethlisberger, Brees, Eli, Foles). Most ever.
If this season is a Patriots runaway...I have better things to do in my life.
He was Brady & Belichek's Kryptonite.
God I remember that game, one of the best ever from a purist standpoint with genuine ebb-and-flow on both sides of the ball.Flyin Ryan wrote:The deal with Hostetler, Simms got injured earlier in the season and by the time of the Super Bowl, Simms was ready to play again. Parcells made the decision to stick with Hostetler. I wonder how damning that decision was to Simms' career as a whole as far as how people perceived him.Yer Man wrote:Plunkett is unique in that he wasn't starting QB at the beginning of the season - for BOTH his Superbowl wins.Flyin Ryan wrote:Jim Plunkett (Raiders, 1980 and 1983 - I don't know anything about his playing career, I guess a good parallel to Eli of some people make the case for him and some don't)
Many others have picked the job up during the season, e.g. Nick Foles, Jeff Hostetler and even Tom Brady (1st SB)
They certainly did. As well as the two HoFers you mentioned there was Shane Conlan, Darryl Talley, Mark Kelso, Nate Odomes so many classic 90s NFl names in that game.Yer Man wrote:God I remember that game, one of the best ever from a purist standpoint with genuine ebb-and-flow on both sides of the ball.Flyin Ryan wrote:The deal with Hostetler, Simms got injured earlier in the season and by the time of the Super Bowl, Simms was ready to play again. Parcells made the decision to stick with Hostetler. I wonder how damning that decision was to Simms' career as a whole as far as how people perceived him.Yer Man wrote:Plunkett is unique in that he wasn't starting QB at the beginning of the season - for BOTH his Superbowl wins.Flyin Ryan wrote:Jim Plunkett (Raiders, 1980 and 1983 - I don't know anything about his playing career, I guess a good parallel to Eli of some people make the case for him and some don't)
Many others have picked the job up during the season, e.g. Nick Foles, Jeff Hostetler and even Tom Brady (1st SB)
You're right, there was serious speculation over would Simms come back in or had the Giants found a mthod that worked.
As much as Belichick's defensive gameplan is lauded, I have to say I was impressed by what Parcells was able to do on the other side of the ball.
Hoss was a limited thrower and he was facing the awesome Bruce Smith (DE) and the bloody good Cornelius Bennett (OLB).
And the Giants refused to allow Hoss to be a sitting duck / static target.
So many times they rolled him out of the pocked to the right (away from Bruce Smith) but ran someone out into the flat forcing Bennett to back off his pass rush in case the pass went that way.
The Bills had a bloody good defence that year, it's just that most of the hype was on the high powered no-huddle offence of Machine-gun Kelly.
Pats teammate and former 7s Eagle Nate Ebner with the best response: https://twitter.com/nateebner/status/11 ... 22240?s=21
This explains itgoeagles wrote:Pats teammate and former 7s Eagle Nate Ebner with the best response: https://twitter.com/nateebner/status/11 ... 22240?s=21
It's criminal how that Bills team is associated with failure. Yeah, they lost 4 Super Bowls in a row. They still made it to 4 Super Bowls in a row.village wrote:They certainly did. As well as the two HoFers you mentioned there was Shane Conlan, Darryl Talley, Mark Kelso, Nate Odomes so many classic 90s NFl names in that game.Yer Man wrote:God I remember that game, one of the best ever from a purist standpoint with genuine ebb-and-flow on both sides of the ball.Flyin Ryan wrote:The deal with Hostetler, Simms got injured earlier in the season and by the time of the Super Bowl, Simms was ready to play again. Parcells made the decision to stick with Hostetler. I wonder how damning that decision was to Simms' career as a whole as far as how people perceived him.Yer Man wrote:Plunkett is unique in that he wasn't starting QB at the beginning of the season - for BOTH his Superbowl wins.Flyin Ryan wrote:Jim Plunkett (Raiders, 1980 and 1983 - I don't know anything about his playing career, I guess a good parallel to Eli of some people make the case for him and some don't)
Many others have picked the job up during the season, e.g. Nick Foles, Jeff Hostetler and even Tom Brady (1st SB)
You're right, there was serious speculation over would Simms come back in or had the Giants found a mthod that worked.
As much as Belichick's defensive gameplan is lauded, I have to say I was impressed by what Parcells was able to do on the other side of the ball.
Hoss was a limited thrower and he was facing the awesome Bruce Smith (DE) and the bloody good Cornelius Bennett (OLB).
And the Giants refused to allow Hoss to be a sitting duck / static target.
So many times they rolled him out of the pocked to the right (away from Bruce Smith) but ran someone out into the flat forcing Bennett to back off his pass rush in case the pass went that way.
The Bills had a bloody good defence that year, it's just that most of the hype was on the high powered no-huddle offence of Machine-gun Kelly.
Quarterback scouting and analysis has so much money poured into it and is so hit-and-miss.Bowens wrote:So Gardner Minshew huh... what a steal. Got some Favre to him.
Just when you think it can't get any crazierDemilich wrote:Antonio Brown has now been released by the Pats.
Impossible to feel sorry for the plum.
Got to think he's heading for the NFL suspending him (or the "commissioner's waiver" or what-ever it's called) if he lands with another team. Otherwise they'll catch hell for letting his latest txting debacle slide.
Demilich wrote:Antonio Brown has now been released by the Pats.
Impossible to feel sorry for the plum.
Got to think he's heading for the NFL suspending him (or the "commissioner's waiver" or what-ever it's called) if he lands with another team. Otherwise they'll catch hell for letting his latest txting debacle slide.
So much for the theory that he is actually a brilliant self publicist. The group text stuff is beyond dumb.Demilich wrote:Antonio Brown has now been released by the Pats.
How dumb? Like Jackson/Olding dumb?Bowens wrote:So much for the theory that he is actually a brilliant self publicist. The group text stuff is beyond dumb.Demilich wrote:Antonio Brown has now been released by the Pats.
Maybe dumber.paddyor wrote:How dumb? Like Jackson/Olding dumb?Bowens wrote:So much for the theory that he is actually a brilliant self publicist. The group text stuff is beyond dumb.Demilich wrote:Antonio Brown has now been released by the Pats.
Lots of people have them going to the NFC Championship or Super Bowl.Floppykid wrote:Going to try NFL again this year, really give it my best shot.
Used a random team picker and I have the Rams, am I supporting a team of winners?
RightFlyin Ryan wrote:Quarterback scouting and analysis has so much money poured into it and is so hit-and-miss.Bowens wrote:So Gardner Minshew huh... what a steal. Got some Favre to him.
That said, he played competent last night, but that's about all I'll say. Let's talk again about him say end of October.
I'll go to my grave defending Fitzy. A good QB.vintage_cox wrote:RightFlyin Ryan wrote:Quarterback scouting and analysis has so much money poured into it and is so hit-and-miss.Bowens wrote:So Gardner Minshew huh... what a steal. Got some Favre to him.
That said, he played competent last night, but that's about all I'll say. Let's talk again about him say end of October.
Remember this time last year we were right in the middle of Fitzmagic
The intangibles coaches talk about are a lot harder to predict than is made out.Flyin Ryan wrote:Quarterback scouting and analysis has so much money poured into it and is so hit-and-miss.Bowens wrote:So Gardner Minshew huh... what a steal. Got some Favre to him.
That said, he played competent last night, but that's about all I'll say. Let's talk again about him say end of October.
So… since ESPN began video tracking the NFL in 2007, there has never been a draw play called on 4th and 9 or more, according to @ESPNStatsInfo
The opponents may not be top tier, but they've conceded no TD's in four games, which to my limited knowledge is pretty damn good.village wrote:Pats D looking just as brilliant as they did in the Super Bowl (admittedly against terrible opponents). Only gave up 105 yards total offense to the Jets.
This. Their opponents haven't been top tier. Through to week 3, the 3 teams the Patriots have played have a record of 0-9 between them. Yes, they all lost the Patriots, but they also lost all 6 of their other games as well.Sydvicious wrote:The opponents may not be top tier, but they've conceded no TD's in four games, which to my limited knowledge is pretty damn good.village wrote:Pats D looking just as brilliant as they did in the Super Bowl (admittedly against terrible opponents). Only gave up 105 yards total offense to the Jets.
but their 2019 opponent's had a .473 winning record in 2018. The Chiefs on the other had tied fifth overall for the hardest schedule with their opponents having a .520 record. I think the intention wasn't to recover but to have the opposition call a fair catch to effectively save a time out as the clock stopped before the 2min warning. Obviously if they recovered that would have been a bonus.fonzeee wrote:Rather interesting drop kick technique from the Ravens kicker on the onside kick attempt. Flipped it like ten feet in the air then hit it on the volley after the bounce. Didn't come off but got good air, a couple yards shorter and it might have worked.
Fair enough, but you didn't address the main point I was making in that their Defence haven't conceded a TD in four games (the original post was about the defence). I just started getting an interest in the game last year, but that still seems a pretty good stat. No matter how "weak" the opposition's offence is, surely they are always likely to leak a TD every now and then?gtb wrote:This. Their opponents haven't been top tier. Through to week 3, the 3 teams the Patriots have played have a record of 0-9 between them. Yes, they all lost the Patriots, but they also lost all 6 of their other games as well.Sydvicious wrote:The opponents may not be top tier, but they've conceded no TD's in four games, which to my limited knowledge is pretty damn good.village wrote:Pats D looking just as brilliant as they did in the Super Bowl (admittedly against terrible opponents). Only gave up 105 yards total offense to the Jets.
Through to week 8 the Patriot's scheduled opponents have currently only won 5 games out of a possible 23 so far (Redskins to play tomorrow), and 3 of those wins belong to the Bills, the Patriot's next opponents. That'll be the game that will determine if the Patriots might face some stiffer opposition with the AFC East this year because the Jets and 'Fins look 'poor'.
The pre-season assessment of the Patriot's schedule had them tied for the second weakest schedule overall. Partly this is because they don't play themselves
After week 8 it gets more interesting for the Patriots. Baltimore and Houston might catch the Patriots on a good day but I think the Patriot's two hardest games this season are likely to be the Cowboys in week 12 and the Chiefs in week 14 - both those are at Foxborough. Both teams are good enough to beat the Patriots away, and the 2019 Chiefs look better than the team that went toe-to-toe with the Patriots in the AFC Championship during one half of football, but the Patriots could equally go 16-0 without too much effort.
https://twitter.com/phleaglesnation/sta ... 00960?s=21Yer Man wrote:Carson Wentz has SEVEN passes dropped in the loss to Detroit.
Including 2 of the last 3 plays
