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 Post subject: Re: Irish Nurse strike
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 Post subject: Re: Irish Nurse strike
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They've done away with bed baths.


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Packaged up by union spin doctors as a patient safety issue


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 Post subject: Re: Irish Nurse strike
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 Post subject: Re: Irish Nurse strike
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nardol wrote:
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Is this due to a austerity program or just general more money wanted?


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 Post subject: Re: Irish Nurse strike
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eldanielfire wrote:
nardol wrote:
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Is this due to a austerity program or just general more money wanted?


Bit of both!


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 Post subject: Re: Irish Nurse strike
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eldanielfire wrote:
nardol wrote:
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Is this due to a austerity program or just general more money wanted?

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 Post subject: Re: Irish Nurse strike
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eldanielfire wrote:
nardol wrote:
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Is this due to a austerity program or just general more money wanted?


We all know that Irish nurses are under-paid.
Problem is that there are a lot of Public Service unions watching this.

Après nous le déluge!


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 Post subject: Re: Irish Nurse strike
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Nursing is now a degree course. Even though we have higher than average nursing levels, and decent pay compared to the UK, our nurses now want the same money as other degree level healthcare professionals like OT and radiographers


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Trostan wrote:
eldanielfire wrote:
nardol wrote:
More money



Is this due to a austerity program or just general more money wanted?


We all know that Irish nurses are under-paid.
Problem is that there are a lot of Public Service unions watching this.

Après nous le déluge!

How are they underpaid?


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 Post subject: Re: Irish Nurse strike
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Nursing is now a degree course. Even though we have higher than average nursing levels, and decent pay compared to the UK, our nurses now want the same money as other degree level healthcare professionals like OT and radiographers

Are they asking for the same pay as a radiographer?


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 Post subject: Re: Irish Nurse strike
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etherman wrote:
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Nursing is now a degree course. Even though we have higher than average nursing levels, and decent pay compared to the UK, our nurses now want the same money as other degree level healthcare professionals like OT and radiographers

Are they asking for the same pay as a radiographer?

They wanted the same pay as physiotherapists originally - diagnosticians FFS


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 Post subject: Re: Irish Nurse strike
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Duff Paddy wrote:
etherman wrote:
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Nursing is now a degree course. Even though we have higher than average nursing levels, and decent pay compared to the UK, our nurses now want the same money as other degree level healthcare professionals like OT and radiographers

Are they asking for the same pay as a radiographer?

They wanted the same pay as physiotherapists originally - diagnosticians FFS


Why shouldn't they get something like that?


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 Post subject: Re: Irish Nurse strike
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Duff Paddy wrote:
etherman wrote:
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Nursing is now a degree course. Even though we have higher than average nursing levels, and decent pay compared to the UK, our nurses now want the same money as other degree level healthcare professionals like OT and radiographers

Are they asking for the same pay as a radiographer?

They wanted the same pay as physiotherapists originally - diagnosticians FFS

Physios, pah. Nurses do more than just mop up piss these days.


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 Post subject: Re: Irish Nurse strike
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eldanielfire wrote:
Duff Paddy wrote:
etherman wrote:
Duff Paddy wrote:
Nursing is now a degree course. Even though we have higher than average nursing levels, and decent pay compared to the UK, our nurses now want the same money as other degree level healthcare professionals like OT and radiographers

Are they asking for the same pay as a radiographer?

They wanted the same pay as physiotherapists originally - diagnosticians FFS


Why shouldn't they get something like that?

Because we can't afford to pay it. The final bill is in excess of €400 million.

Glad we sorted that out :thumbup:


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 Post subject: Re: Irish Nurse strike
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Trostan wrote:
eldanielfire wrote:
nardol wrote:
More money



Is this due to a austerity program or just general more money wanted?


We all know that Irish nurses are under-paid.
Problem is that there are a lot of Public Service unions watching this.

Après nous le déluge!


Whats the average salary for an Irish nurse with say 3 years out of Uni ?


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Are there now sufficient numbers of male nurses to start taking demands for higher pay more seriously?


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 Post subject: Re: Irish Nurse strike
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The Sun God wrote:

Whats the average salary for an Irish nurse with say 3 years out of Uni ?


Its complicated but seems like decent enough money

https://www.rte.ie/news/ireland/2019/0209/1028490-nurses-pay/


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Mr Mike wrote:
Are there now sufficient numbers of male nurses to start taking demands for higher pay more seriously?

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 Post subject: Re: Irish Nurse strike
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sewa wrote:
The Sun God wrote:

Whats the average salary for an Irish nurse with say 3 years out of Uni ?


Its complicated but seems like decent enough money

https://www.rte.ie/news/ireland/2019/0209/1028490-nurses-pay/


And don’t forget that government pension


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 Post subject: Re: Irish Nurse strike
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eldanielfire wrote:
Duff Paddy wrote:
etherman wrote:
Duff Paddy wrote:
Nursing is now a degree course. Even though we have higher than average nursing levels, and decent pay compared to the UK, our nurses now want the same money as other degree level healthcare professionals like OT and radiographers

Are they asking for the same pay as a radiographer?

They wanted the same pay as physiotherapists originally - diagnosticians FFS


Why shouldn't they get something like that?


Because we still borrow money to run the state - 10 years after the crash. (im deducting the new hospital running a billion euro over from our small surplus this year)


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Will this prevent them from flooding Coppers every weekend? Asking for the younger lads :thumbup:


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 Post subject: Re: Irish Nurse strike
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eldanielfire wrote:
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Is this due to a austerity program or just general more money wanted?

Brexit


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 Post subject: Re: Irish Nurse strike
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sewa wrote:
The Sun God wrote:

Whats the average salary for an Irish nurse with say 3 years out of Uni ?


Its complicated but seems like decent enough money

https://www.rte.ie/news/ireland/2019/0209/1028490-nurses-pay/


I am the last person to make comment on whether a salary is high or not but it seems to me that they are earning similar to many grads after a few years on the job.Nursing is a hard occupation but I don't think anyone forced them into it.
I think it actually dawns on many of these nurses, a little late, is that the profession they have chosen as a young secondary school student is a tough gig. I really don't think an extra 60 quid a week or whatever will change that.


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Nobody forcing them into isn't a reason to not demand satisfactory pay. It's a lazy argument.


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 Post subject: Re: Irish Nurse strike
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Nobody forcing them into isn't a reason to not demand satisfactory pay. It's a lazy argument.


Did you not read the rest of what I said ? Their salary is equitable with most grads plus they get a very nice government pension thrown is which most Irish State sector workers conveniently seem to forget about. What , in your opinion , is satisfactory pay for a 25 year old nurse ?


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 Post subject: Re: Irish Nurse strike
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The Sun God wrote:
sewa wrote:
The Sun God wrote:

Whats the average salary for an Irish nurse with say 3 years out of Uni ?


Its complicated but seems like decent enough money

https://www.rte.ie/news/ireland/2019/0209/1028490-nurses-pay/


I am the last person to make comment on whether a salary is high or not but it seems to me that they are earning similar to many grads after a few years on the job.Nursing is a hard occupation but I don't think anyone forced them into it.
I think it actually dawns on many of these nurses, a little late, is that the profession they have chosen as a young secondary school student is a tough gig. I really don't think an extra 60 quid a week or whatever will change that.

I know a lot of nurses and a pretty much all of them love what they do. As you say it's a tough gig so a lot of people would have empathy with their demands. Certainly there doesn't seem to be too many ways to "get ahead" in the profession without doing crazy hours or the like. I know many re-train as doctors after a time. But what if you don't want to be a doctor? That's what they signed up for maybe? Don't know the ins and outs enough to comment any more than that.


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 Post subject: Re: Irish Nurse strike
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I stand with my public sector comrades


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 Post subject: Re: Irish Nurse strike
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The Sun God wrote:
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Nobody forcing them into isn't a reason to not demand satisfactory pay. It's a lazy argument.


Did you not read the rest of what I said ? Their salary is equitable with most grads plus they get a very nice government pension thrown is which most Irish State sector workers conveniently seem to forget about. What , in your opinion , is satisfactory pay for a 25 year old nurse ?

I did it was as pish and lazy as the above bollocks from someone that'll be the last to comment.


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 Post subject: Re: Irish Nurse strike
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The Sun God wrote:
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Nobody forcing them into isn't a reason to not demand satisfactory pay. It's a lazy argument.


Did you not read the rest of what I said ? Their salary is equitable with most grads plus they get a very nice government pension thrown is which most Irish State sector workers conveniently seem to forget about. What , in your opinion , is satisfactory pay for a 25 year old nurse ?

Very nice is a bit of a stretch these days when the pension levy is taken into account.


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 Post subject: Re: Irish Nurse strike
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Duff Paddy wrote:
Nursing is now a degree course. Even though we have higher than average nursing levels, and decent pay compared to the UK, our nurses now want the same money as other degree level healthcare professionals like OT and radiographers

I’m pretty sure a degree level nursing qualification became a prerequisite for entry level in nursing in Ireland almost 20 years ago.


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So basically nurses want similar money as EveryReady and we all know ER considers himself brainy as fück.


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 Post subject: Re: Irish Nurse strike
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Nobody forcing them into isn't a reason to not demand satisfactory pay. It's a lazy argument.


Did you not read the rest of what I said ? Their salary is equitable with most grads plus they get a very nice government pension thrown is which most Irish State sector workers conveniently seem to forget about. What , in your opinion , is satisfactory pay for a 25 year old nurse ?

Very nice is a bit of a stretch these days when the pension levy is taken into account.


10% after 29K and 10.5% from 60K earnings compared to what similar pension benefits would cost in the market is a pretty good deal Hermie but I take your point.


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commented on the NAMA thread that the HSE should target polish nurses in the NHS post brexit ..... and fill the Irish nursing posts that way ..... if Irish nurses dont like the gig and want to fvck off to UAE for more cash


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Nursing is now a degree course. Even though we have higher than average nursing levels, and decent pay compared to the UK, our nurses now want the same money as other degree level healthcare professionals like OT and radiographers


Nurse practitioners with prescribing responsibility? Is a degree an over qualification for patient-care nursing?


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Nursing is now a degree course. Even though we have higher than average nursing levels, and decent pay compared to the UK, our nurses now want the same money as other degree level healthcare professionals like OT and radiographers


Nurse practitioners with prescribing responsibility? Is a degree an over qualification for patient-care nursing?


Only an over qualification if you haven’t an actual breeze what “ patient care nurses “ actually do . If you think doctors are overstretched now then you’ve no idea what state our healthcare system would be in if we were to reduce the responsibilities and qualifications necessary to be a nurse


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 Post subject: Re: Irish Nurse strike
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At a tie when there is justifiably huge public outcry over the overrun for the new hospital it’s ironic that those shouting loudest are for the most part supporting a nurses pay rise that would cost the same amount as the hospital over 4 years, without taking any account of the extra pension cost, and ignoring the fact that the floodgates would be smashed open by the other public sector unions if the government caves.

As someone who has had my own brush with cancer I appreciate the job that they do, but then I appreciate the jobs that most of the people I deal with do. There is a huge amount of emotional blackmail involved here.


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 Post subject: Re: Irish Nurse strike
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The Sun God wrote:
sewa wrote:
The Sun God wrote:

Whats the average salary for an Irish nurse with say 3 years out of Uni ?


Its complicated but seems like decent enough money

https://www.rte.ie/news/ireland/2019/0209/1028490-nurses-pay/


I am the last person to make comment on whether a salary is high or not but it seems to me that they are earning similar to many grads after a few years on the job.Nursing is a hard occupation but I don't think anyone forced them into it.
I think it actually dawns on many of these nurses, a little late, is that the profession they have chosen as a young secondary school student is a tough gig. I really don't think an extra 60 quid a week or whatever will change that.


Your second paragraph is pretty much on the money. It's a bloody tough job regardless of money, often working 3 or 4 consecutive days of 13-14 hours with most of the time spent on your feet. It’s a young person’s game really


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Nobody forcing them into isn't a reason to not demand satisfactory pay. It's a lazy argument.


yeah, but i'm always amazed when people start a job only to be amazed at how much money they're making


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