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PostPosted: Thu Jun 21, 2018 4:05 pm 
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That's a good side - I think they will win.


Can't see a great drop-off in the pack.
Worry is attack and defense out wide in the backs.

But if we get the same amount of possession, we should win it.


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ZappaMan wrote:
That's a good side - I think they will win.


We are 4 point favourites even after the teams were named. I won a few bob last week and will play with that with Ireland to beat the handicap. This is more heart than head and I rarely make those bets.


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We may be missing Ringrose but we still have Johnny at 10 and if there's one bollox on the pitch who will drive the backs on, it's him. He'll be in Aki and Henshaw's ear all game.
I can see us keeping this tight, particularly if Gauzere doesn't allow any funny stuff in the rucks. Conan, Stander, Ryan, McGrath, Cronin, Furlong - lot of ball carriers there.


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What odds do you reckon i could get on a Stockdale intercept try?


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What odds do you reckon i could get on a Stockdale intercept try?

Off a Phipps pass?

Even money.


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Surprised McGrath gets rewarded with a start after his idiocy last weekend. Unless there are doubts about Healy's fitness, which would be even worse. Unfortunate also for Cronin to have to start with the slightly weaker scrummager. Any hint of a backward step and the mongs will be baying for blood.

Have to worry about that backrow. Conan is great either side of the ball but at the breakdown he doesn't offer much. Compound that with a 7 likely to be slow to the ruck and Hooper & Pocock might have a little bit more joy this time around. Luckless to be without the top 3 opensides in the country for such a big game. The trio will need to play out of their skin, although they're quality players so hopefully...

Ringrose is by far the biggest loss however. Don't see us winning this one without him and if we lose they might be left to wonder was it ultimately wise to start Murray and Kearney in all 3 Tests given that there have been so few opportunities to test the depth at 9 and 15.

The 2nd choice 15 got injured after 15 mins last week. THe week before it was Earls going off early(when Folau was killing us in the air). There hasn't really been a chance to try someone else at 15.


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What odds do you reckon i could get on a Stockdale intercept try?

Very little. He won't be playing against players as bad as Horne or Anscombe. Seriously though, I think international teams are going to be very weary of that now.


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Not sure what Scannell has to do with anything... :uhoh:

But, just to bite, Scannell is in competition with a player 10 years older than him for the starting jersey, while Conan is in competition with a player 2 years older than him.

A kind of, Jamie Heaslip/Jack Conan type situation?


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Not sure what Scannell has to do with anything... :uhoh:

But, just to bite, Scannell is in competition with a player 10 years older than him for the starting jersey, while Conan is in competition with a player 2 years older than him.

A kind of, Jamie Heaslip/Jack Conan type situation?


I’m speculating here, but I don’t think Jumper is going to see the similarities.


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Backrowers tend to come to the fore younger than Hookers. The freak athletes are usually better younger. Conan hasn't looked anything like a 50-cap player for Ireland at this stage, despite some really good form for Leinster over the past 24 months. Biggest moment of his career so hopefully he stands up and makes an impact.

I reckon Deegan and Doris both turn into better players that Conan, but Japan will be much too soon for either.

He's had Heaslip and then Stander ahead of him at 8 for Ireland so far both of whom seem to never get injured. Neither Vdf or Leavy would have gotten opportunities at 7 without injuries to SOB, Murphy,VdF and end in the Heaslip.

Leaving aside the RWC warmup and last years Summer tour against tier 2 sides, he has a total of about 100 competitive minutes for Ireland, mostly at 6. It's not that surprising that he hasn't made his mark at international level just yet. He isn't versatlie enough to cover at 6 IMO. Lot sof carries (into Pocock), lots of tackles(95%) and the ability to pass/offload is what you'll get from him. Expecting a big impact at the breakdown isn't as dumb as expecting a big carrying game from Toner(passes more than he carries) but it's the same ball park.


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Northern friends, what’s the story with two teachers caught on video by a student shagging in a school room? It was like a porno.

Were they married or having an affair? Either way, that video will make both their lives very uncomfortable.

It's a fake. Actually sounds like they're not talking English and I don't mean "hurny nurny sitiachen"


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Armchair_Superstar wrote:
paddyor wrote:
Jumper wrote:
Not sure what Scannell has to do with anything... :uhoh:

But, just to bite, Scannell is in competition with a player 10 years older than him for the starting jersey, while Conan is in competition with a player 2 years older than him.

A kind of, Jamie Heaslip/Jack Conan type situation?


I’m speculating here, but I don’t think Jumper is going to see the similarities.


What relevance does Jamie Heaslip have to Jack "50 caps" Conan's current international prospects.


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Jumper wrote:
Armchair_Superstar wrote:
paddyor wrote:
Jumper wrote:
Not sure what Scannell has to do with anything... :uhoh:

But, just to bite, Scannell is in competition with a player 10 years older than him for the starting jersey, while Conan is in competition with a player 2 years older than him.

A kind of, Jamie Heaslip/Jack Conan type situation?


I’m speculating here, but I don’t think Jumper is going to see the similarities.


What relevance does Jamie Heaslip have to Jack "50 caps" Conan's current international prospects.

Fair play Army you called it!


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When’s the last tike sexton lost a game he started?
Scarlets over a year ago?
Did he lose any games he started for the lions?


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Is Foot Up Mitty again?


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hermie wrote:
Surprised McGrath gets rewarded with a start after his idiocy last weekend. Unless there are doubts about Healy's fitness, which would be even worse. Unfortunate also for Cronin to have to start with the slightly weaker scrummager. Any hint of a backward step and the mongs will be baying for blood.

Have to worry about that backrow. Conan is great either side of the ball but at the breakdown he doesn't offer much. Compound that with a 7 likely to be slow to the ruck and Hooper & Pocock might have a little bit more joy this time around. Luckless to be without the top 3 opensides in the country for such a big game. The trio will need to play out of their skin, although they're quality players so hopefully...

Ringrose is by far the biggest loss however. Don't see us winning this one without him and if we lose they might be left to wonder was it ultimately wise to start Murray and Kearney in all 3 Tests given that there have been so few opportunities to test the depth at 9 and 15.

The 2nd choice 15 got injured after 15 mins last week. THe week before it was Earls going off early(when Folau was killing us in the air). There hasn't really been a chance to try someone else at 15.

Could make a case for Carbery being our 15 cover depending on who the other backs are. If you had Earls and Stockdale starting with one of our centres on the bench you could reasonably expect Carbery to cover both 10/15, with Stockdale/Henshaw as backup plans were Carbery needed at 10


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I'd put Earls at 15 before Stockdale.


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The 2nd choice 15 got injured after 15 mins last week. THe week before it was Earls going off early(when Folau was killing us in the air). There hasn't really been a chance to try someone else at 15.

Could make a case for Carbery being our 15 cover depending on who the other backs are. If you had Earls and Stockdale starting with one of our centres on the bench you could reasonably expect Carbery to cover both 10/15, with Stockdale/Henshaw as backup plans were Carbery needed at 10

Or, stay with me, you could accept things as they are wrt injuries and make a plan for the players. He has about 5 days to fix problems and fine tune things. What would you focus on? Maybe I'll run Stockdale at 15, no wait Henshaw or hang on Carbery!


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paddyor wrote:
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The 2nd choice 15 got injured after 15 mins last week. THe week before it was Earls going off early(when Folau was killing us in the air). There hasn't really been a chance to try someone else at 15.

Could make a case for Carbery being our 15 cover depending on who the other backs are. If you had Earls and Stockdale starting with one of our centres on the bench you could reasonably expect Carbery to cover both 10/15, with Stockdale/Henshaw as backup plans were Carbery needed at 10

Or, stay with me, you could accept things as they are wrt injuries and make a plan for the players. He has about 5 days to fix problems and fine tune things. What would you focus on? Maybe I'll run Stockdale at 15, no wait Henshaw or hang on Carbery!

Sorry, couldn't stay with you. I'm saying he had an opportunity to try Carbery at 15 in this game, if he chose to. It's not beyond the realms of possibility that with all players fit and firing he is both our 10 and 15 cover in big games. Seems like Larmour or Conway or Dave Kearney* or one of Aki/Henshaw/Ringer is the likely choice at 23. I think if Aki starts the other centre gets the 23 shirt.

In such a scenario, if something were to happen to both our 10 and our 15 you would expect Carbery to move to 10 and have another player cover 15 in an emergency scenario.

*Not really, but there's always Ferg


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Sorry, couldn't stay with you. I'm saying he had an opportunity to try Carbery at 15 in this game, if he chose to. It's not beyond the realms of possibility that with all players fit and firing he is both our 10 and 15 cover in big games. Seems like Larmour or Conway or Dave Kearney* or one of Aki/Henshaw/Ringer is the likely choice at 23. I think if Aki starts the other centre gets the 23 shirt.

In such a scenario, if something were to happen to both our 10 and our 15 you would expect Carbery to move to 10 and have another player cover 15 in an emergency scenario.

*Not really, but there's always Ferg

Nah, he's 2nd choice 10. That's why he was encouraged to moved. Given Munster signed Haley(bought him out of his contract IIRC) and Ulster signed Addison(apparently Schmidt had something to do with it) when Zebo and Payne stopped being options I think you can take it that it's not an option Schmidt is considering at all. Unless Byrne improves massively over the coming season anyway.

I reckon for this tour Henshaw has trained exclusively as a centre(both 10 & 12) in defense and attack. I'd bet money on it.

Stockdale is first choice winger and I'd say that's all he's trained at too.

The 2nd choice 15 is Conway and he's missed most of the tour thru injury.


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I'd put Earls at 15 before Stockdale.

Earls is 31.


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Cronin didn’t take part in the captains run, being managed after a heavy squad session the day before, sounds a bit spinny to me.


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Cronin didn’t take part in the captains run, being managed after a heavy squad session the day before, sounds a bit spinny to me.


Wouldn't be worried if Scannell had to start but it'd be a kick in the teeth for Cronin if he didn't make it.

On a separate note, McGrath and POM making their 50th appearance for Ireland tomorrow.


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I was surprised POM only has 50 caps, seems to have been about for ever.

Cronin not starting probably strengthens the team.


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I see England are still using "starters" and "finishers" for their team announcements. They deserve to be shit for that alone.


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I was surprised POM only has 50 caps, seems to have been about for ever.

Cronin not starting probably strengthens the team.


Yes, yes, we know your views on Cronin.


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I was surprised POM only has 50 caps, seems to have been about for ever.



He was out for a year with that cruciate injury.


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Willie Falloon wrote:
Earls is 31.


He's not though.


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CM11 wrote:
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I was surprised POM only has 50 caps, seems to have been about for ever.

Cronin not starting probably strengthens the team.


Yes, yes, we know your views on Cronin.


And I will keep repeating them ad nauseam.

I don’t think Herring is that great either.


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Surprised McGrath gets rewarded with a start after his idiocy last weekend. Unless there are doubts about Healy's fitness, which would be even worse. Unfortunate also for Cronin to have to start with the slightly weaker scrummager. Any hint of a backward step and the mongs will be baying for blood.

Have to worry about that backrow. Conan is great either side of the ball but at the breakdown he doesn't offer much. Compound that with a 7 likely to be slow to the ruck and Hooper & Pocock might have a little bit more joy this time around. Luckless to be without the top 3 opensides in the country for such a big game. The trio will need to play out of their skin, although they're quality players so hopefully...

Ringrose is by far the biggest loss however. Don't see us winning this one without him and if we lose they might be left to wonder was it ultimately wise to start Murray and Kearney in all 3 Tests given that there have been so few opportunities to test the depth at 9 and 15.

The 2nd choice 15 got injured after 15 mins last week. THe week before it was Earls going off early(when Folau was killing us in the air). There hasn't really been a chance to try someone else at 15.

Carbery probably has as many starts at 15 this season as Conway who has featured heavily on the wing with Zebo at fullback.


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earl the beaver wrote:

That's not what actually happens is it though? look at HKL's post to Willie, DD's to me, god knows how many posts from the likes of Cammy, Nardol etc. pot shots at unionists/protestants happen all the time on here and are passed off as being wind ups etc.


Earl, don't confuse my opinion of you with that of protestants. My dad is Anglican ffs.

My opinion of you is based solely on you.


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If we win on Saturday Sexton has to be a shoo-in for wold player of the year, even if we lose to the ABs in Autumn?


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If we win on Saturday Sexton has to be a shoo-in for wold player of the year, even if we lose to the ABs in Autumn?


No way is he a shoo in , so much will depend on the RC . He should get a nomination though


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We haven't had a non Kiwi winner since 2011 so even if the AB's do win the championship again you'd have to think Sexton will be in with a shout just even to shake it up


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Sorry, couldn't stay with you. I'm saying he had an opportunity to try Carbery at 15 in this game, if he chose to. It's not beyond the realms of possibility that with all players fit and firing he is both our 10 and 15 cover in big games. Seems like Larmour or Conway or Dave Kearney* or one of Aki/Henshaw/Ringer is the likely choice at 23. I think if Aki starts the other centre gets the 23 shirt.

In such a scenario, if something were to happen to both our 10 and our 15 you would expect Carbery to move to 10 and have another player cover 15 in an emergency scenario.

*Not really, but there's always Ferg

Nah, he's 2nd choice 10. That's why he was encouraged to moved. Given Munster signed Haley(bought him out of his contract IIRC) and Ulster signed Addison(apparently Schmidt had something to do with it) when Zebo and Payne stopped being options I think you can take it that it's not an option Schmidt is considering at all. Unless Byrne improves massively over the coming season anyway.

I reckon for this tour Henshaw has trained exclusively as a centre(both 10 & 12) in defense and attack. I'd bet money on it.

Stockdale is first choice winger and I'd say that's all he's trained at too.

The 2nd choice 15 is Conway and he's missed most of the tour thru injury.


You haven't really addressed anything I've said. You can't have all your second choice players on the bench, so there is a reasonable chance Carbery will cover both 10 & 15 from the bench.


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I see England are still using "starters" and "finishers" for their team announcements. They deserve to be shit for that alone.

That is about as far as it got for Eddie Jones innovative coaching.

Be a good boy and Let them have it.


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We haven't had a non Kiwi winner since 2011 so even if the AB's do win the championship again you'd have to think Sexton will be in with a shout just even to shake it up

Stockdale has a good chance for a namination if he has a good game tomorrow and a decent Autumn.


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We haven't had a non Kiwi winner since 2011 so even if the AB's do win the championship again you'd have to think Sexton will be in with a shout just even to shake it up

Stockdale has a good chance for a namination if he has a good game tomorrow and a decent Autumn.


I know ye can be a bit one eyed but :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:


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Tecumseh wrote:
Sorry, couldn't stay with you. I'm saying he had an opportunity to try Carbery at 15 in this game, if he chose to. It's not beyond the realms of possibility that with all players fit and firing he is both our 10 and 15 cover in big games. Seems like Larmour or Conway or Dave Kearney* or one of Aki/Henshaw/Ringer is the likely choice at 23. I think if Aki starts the other centre gets the 23 shirt.

In such a scenario, if something were to happen to both our 10 and our 15 you would expect Carbery to move to 10 and have another player cover 15 in an emergency scenario.

*Not really, but there's always Ferg

Nah, he's 2nd choice 10. That's why he was encouraged to moved. Given Munster signed Haley(bought him out of his contract IIRC) and Ulster signed Addison(apparently Schmidt had something to do with it) when Zebo and Payne stopped being options I think you can take it that it's not an option Schmidt is considering at all. Unless Byrne improves massively over the coming season anyway.

I reckon for this tour Henshaw has trained exclusively as a centre(both 10 & 12) in defense and attack. I'd bet money on it.

Stockdale is first choice winger and I'd say that's all he's trained at too.

The 2nd choice 15 is Conway and he's missed most of the tour thru injury.


You haven't really addressed anything I've said. You can't have all your second choice players on the bench, so there is a reasonable chance Carbery will cover both 10 & 15 from the bench.

Carberry will of course provide an option for cover at 15 off bench - but it seems likely that the bench back spot is Conway or Larmour. Both of whom would probably be seen as being ahead of Carberry as 15 cover.

Schmidt is all about having cover for a specific position - hence Felix Jones being on bench a good bit few years back.


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