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PostPosted: Wed May 22, 2019 11:59 am 
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Folks, for anyone going to the RWC in Japan, some tickets for the Japan v Ireland game are now on sale through the ticketing website.

I didn't manage to get tickets for this game in previous ticket sales but have just bought a 10,000 Yen (about £70) ticket.


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PostPosted: Wed May 22, 2019 12:02 pm 
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well if your looking for a player whose only position is 15 at leinster, then your only left with Rob Kearney.

Not sure about Kelleher, but every single other player I named there has played 15 this season, apart from Frawley who was due to start there but switched to 10 due to injury.

Kearney - 4 starts at 15
Daly - 2 starts at 15
Henshaw - 1 start at 15
Keenan - 3 starts at 15
O'Brien - 2 starts at 15
Larmour - 9 starts at 15

Obviously I don't mean someone who exclusively plays fullback. But which of them would you consider 15 to be their best position?


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PostPosted: Wed May 22, 2019 12:04 pm 
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hermie wrote:
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well if your looking for a player whose only position is 15 at leinster, then your only left with Rob Kearney.

Not sure about Kelleher, but every single other player I named there has played 15 this season, apart from Frawley who was due to start there but switched to 10 due to injury.

Kearney - 4 starts at 15
Daly - 2 starts at 15
Henshaw - 1 start at 15
Keenan - 3 starts at 15
O'Brien - 2 starts at 15
Larmour - 9 starts at 15

Obviously I don't mean someone who exclusively plays fullback. But which of them would you consider 15 to be their best position?


from what little we've seen so far from Keenan and O'Brien, i'd say 15 could be there best position.


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PostPosted: Wed May 22, 2019 12:10 pm 
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recent Leinster u20 fullbacks:

Cian Kelleher(1994/St. Michaels) - Connacht -> Leinster next season.
Billy Dardis(1995/Terenure) - Ireland 7's captain, ex-Leinster Academy
Hugo Keenan(1996/Blackrock) - Leinster, Ireland 7's
Jack Kelly(199/St. Michaels) - Ireland 7's, Leinster Academy
Michael Silvester(1998/Clongowes) - Leinster Academy, Ireland 7's
Rob Russell(1999/St. Michaels) - Leinster Sub Academy

of course Conor Nash(1997/Navan RFC) didn't play leinster 20's due to AFL, while Jordan Larmour(1997/St. Andrews) played on the wing.

Possible u20 fullbacks next season:

James Reynolds(CBC Monkstown)
Max O'Reilly(St. Gerards/DUFC)
Andrew Smith(St. Michaels)
Sam Dardis(Terenure/Terenure)
John Maher(Clongowes Wood College)


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PostPosted: Wed May 22, 2019 12:20 pm 
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Nominations for Pro 14 team of the year(listed by alphabetical order):

Loosehead Prop


Dave Kilcoyne (Munster); Eric O’Sullivan (Ulster); Pierre Schoeman (Edinburgh)

Hooker

Epalahame Faiva (Benetton Rugby); Rob Herring (Ulster); Ken Owens (Scarlets)

Tighthead Prop

Zander Fagerson (Glasgow Warriors), WP Nel (Edinburgh), Marco Riccioni (Benetton Rugby)

Second Row

Tadhg Beirne (Munster), Scott Cummings (Glasgow Warriors), Federico Ruzza (Benetton Rugby), Scott Fardy (Leinster); Jonny Gray (Glasgow Warriors); Alun Wyn Jones (Ospreys)

Blindside Flanker

Max Deegan (Leinster); Peter O’Mahony (Munster); Josh Turnbull (Cardiff Blues)

Openside Flanker

Colby Fainga’a (Connacht), Braam Steyn (Benetton); Hamish Watson (Edinburgh)

Number 8

Marcel Coetzee (Ulster), Bill Mata (Edinburgh), CJ Stander (Munster)

Scrum-Half

Caolin Blade (Connacht); John Cooney (Ulster); Dewaldt Duvenage (Benetton)

Out-half

Jack Carty (Connacht); Adam Hastings (Glasgow Warriors); Jaco van der Walt (Edinburgh)

Left Wing

Darcy Graham (Edinburgh); James Lowe (Leinster); Rabz Maxwane (Toyota Cheetahs)

Inside Centre

Bundee Aki (Connacht); Willis Halaholo (Cardiff Blues); Stuart McCloskey (Ulster)

Outside Centre

Tom Farrell (Connacht); Rey Lee-Lo (Cardiff Blues); Nick Grigg (Glasgow Warriors)

Right Wing

Monty Ioane (Benetton Rugby); Johnny McNicholl (Scarlets); Ratuva Tavuyara (Benetton Rugby)

Full Back

Dan Evans (Ospreys); Mike Haley (Munster); Matthew Morgan (Cardiff Blues)


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PostPosted: Wed May 22, 2019 12:24 pm 
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irishrugbyua wrote:
Scrum-Half

Dewaldt Duvenage (Benetton)


Is that Daverage's Italian cousin?


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PostPosted: Wed May 22, 2019 12:25 pm 
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Delighted for EOS to get a mention :thumbup: :thumbup:


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PostPosted: Wed May 22, 2019 12:28 pm 
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I heard today is national chipper day, half price.
If they have any ray I might be tempted.


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PostPosted: Wed May 22, 2019 12:29 pm 
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Yer Man wrote:
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Dewaldt Duvenage (Benetton)


Is that Daverage's Italian cousin?


pretty impressive 9, IMO if he stayed on against Munster they'd have won.


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So Leinster who absolutely romped their conference get 3/45 nominees :lol:


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PostPosted: Wed May 22, 2019 12:42 pm 
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ZuLu wrote:
So Leinster who absolutely romped their conference get 3/45 nominees :lol:


1 Leinster player really


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Speaking of fullbacks.

Apparently Stockdale will play at 15 in a couple of the warmups with a view to being Rob's backup in the RWC.

Doesn't make a lot of sense for Ulster though unless Addison is going to play wing as you want to have Marshall and Addison in the backline.


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sewa wrote:
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So Leinster who absolutely romped their conference get 3/45 nominees :lol:


1 Leinster player really


Plus four other Leinster lads playing in other teams.


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PostPosted: Wed May 22, 2019 12:48 pm 
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sewa wrote:
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So Leinster who absolutely romped their conference get 3/45 nominees :lol:


1 Leinster player really


:?


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PostPosted: Wed May 22, 2019 12:53 pm 
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Speaking of fullbacks.

Apparently Stockdale will play at 15 in a couple of the warmups with a view to being Rob's backup in the RWC.

Doesn't make a lot of sense for Ulster though unless Addison is going to play wing as you want to have Marshall and Addison in the backline.


:lol:


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PostPosted: Wed May 22, 2019 1:08 pm 
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ZuLu wrote:
So Leinster who absolutely romped their conference get 3/45 nominees :lol:


Easier conference and third place in a combined table. They had a tonne of chopping and changing with few consistent players throughout the season too.


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Despite Champions Cup qualification it looks like Connacht are not bringing in anyone significant into the playing squad. Apparently Andy Friend was on local radio in Galway saying the squad for next season is more or less complete.

Possible that the money being set aside for the stadium redevelopment is playing a factor in very little recruitment also.


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PostPosted: Wed May 22, 2019 1:16 pm 
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ZuLu wrote:
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So Leinster who absolutely romped their conference get 3/45 nominees :lol:


1 Leinster player really


:?


I was just going to bold them, I know everyone finds that hilarious


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Munster are done until September mate, take some time off :nod:


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ZuLu wrote:
So Leinster who absolutely romped their conference get 3/45 nominees :lol:

It's based on regular season appearances. So while Beirne(13), Stander(11) and POM(11) were flogged for Munster(ultimately to no avail), Healy(7) oand Furlong(8) wouldn't be elligibile for Leinster.


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Just saw a list of player minutes there for Munster on threeredkings. Very interesting reading.
Haley with 1966 mins way out ahead with kleyn and Rory scannell having 1600 ish mins each. Very clear that all the guys who are heading for the exits got very little gametime. Looks like decisions were made early.

Beirne Conway and Niall scannell with big minutes as expected as none realty racked up international minutes.
What struck me however was how many minutes for Pom cj and killer (1400/1400/1200 ish ) given all 3 played a good few international minutes. I’m kinda accepting of killer as Cronin and boomer have been out for months but it certainly explains the poor form of Pom and cj (both of whom were flying in the autumn). They’ve been flogged! Gavin Coombes with very small minutes 240! That’s poor planning and surely handicaps us for the real big games I’d thos two are flogged. Wycherley at 889 mins


Nucifora will be happy. Carbery with almost 1000 minutes. All at fh can’t imagine he’d have gotten that number in blue. Especially when you consider he’s hardly played since February


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Just saw a list of player minutes there for Munster on threeredkings. Very interesting reading.
Haley with 1966 mins way out ahead with kleyn and Rory scannell having 1600 ish mins each. Very clear that all the guys who are heading for the exits got very little gametime. Looks like decisions were made early.

Beirne Conway and Niall scannell with big minutes as expected as none realty racked up international minutes.
What struck me however was how many minutes for Pom cj and killer (1400/1400/1200 ish ) given all 3 played a good few international minutes. I’m kinda accepting of killer as Cronin and boomer have been out for months but it certainly explains the poor form of Pom and cj (both of whom were flying in the autumn). They’ve been flogged! Gavin Coombes with very small minutes 240! That’s poor planning and surely handicaps us for the real big games I’d thos two are flogged. Wycherley at 889 mins


Nucifora will be happy. Carbery with almost 1000 minutes. All at fh can’t imagine he’d have gotten that number in blue. Especially when you consider he’s hardly played since February


Williams mentioned after the AIL final he'd known since November.


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Lazy Couch potato wrote:
Just saw a list of player minutes there for Munster on threeredkings. Very interesting reading.
Haley with 1966 mins way out ahead with kleyn and Rory scannell having 1600 ish mins each. Very clear that all the guys who are heading for the exits got very little gametime. Looks like decisions were made early.

Beirne Conway and Niall scannell with big minutes as expected as none realty racked up international minutes.
What struck me however was how many minutes for Pom cj and killer (1400/1400/1200 ish ) given all 3 played a good few international minutes. I’m kinda accepting of killer as Cronin and boomer have been out for months but it certainly explains the poor form of Pom and cj (both of whom were flying in the autumn). They’ve been flogged! Gavin Coombes with very small minutes 240! That’s poor planning and surely handicaps us for the real big games I’d thos two are flogged. Wycherley at 889 mins


Nucifora will be happy. Carbery with almost 1000 minutes. All at fh can’t imagine he’d have gotten that number in blue. Especially when you consider he’s hardly played since February


How many did Alby Mathewson get? Craig Casey got 4.


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Lazy Couch potato wrote:
Just saw a list of player minutes there for Munster on threeredkings. Very interesting reading.
Haley with 1966 mins way out ahead with kleyn and Rory scannell having 1600 ish mins each. Very clear that all the guys who are heading for the exits got very little gametime. Looks like decisions were made early.

Beirne Conway and Niall scannell with big minutes as expected as none realty racked up international minutes.
What struck me however was how many minutes for Pom cj and killer (1400/1400/1200 ish ) given all 3 played a good few international minutes. I’m kinda accepting of killer as Cronin and boomer have been out for months but it certainly explains the poor form of Pom and cj (both of whom were flying in the autumn). They’ve been flogged! Gavin Coombes with very small minutes 240! That’s poor planning and surely handicaps us for the real big games I’d thos two are flogged. Wycherley at 889 mins


Nucifora will be happy. Carbery with almost 1000 minutes. All at fh can’t imagine he’d have gotten that number in blue. Especially when you consider he’s hardly played since February


Were they flogged though? I thought all internationals had caps on the amount of game time they can play?


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Liathroidigloine wrote:
Lazy Couch potato wrote:
Just saw a list of player minutes there for Munster on threeredkings. Very interesting reading.
Haley with 1966 mins way out ahead with kleyn and Rory scannell having 1600 ish mins each. Very clear that all the guys who are heading for the exits got very little gametime. Looks like decisions were made early.

Beirne Conway and Niall scannell with big minutes as expected as none realty racked up international minutes.
What struck me however was how many minutes for Pom cj and killer (1400/1400/1200 ish ) given all 3 played a good few international minutes. I’m kinda accepting of killer as Cronin and boomer have been out for months but it certainly explains the poor form of Pom and cj (both of whom were flying in the autumn). They’ve been flogged! Gavin Coombes with very small minutes 240! That’s poor planning and surely handicaps us for the real big games I’d thos two are flogged. Wycherley at 889 mins


Nucifora will be happy. Carbery with almost 1000 minutes. All at fh can’t imagine he’d have gotten that number in blue. Especially when you consider he’s hardly played since February


How many did Alby Mathewson get? Craig Casey got 4.


Approximately 50% less minutes than Scott Fardy. How many minutes did Casey's U20 captain Ryan get this season?


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Jumper wrote:
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So Leinster who absolutely romped their conference get 3/45 nominees :lol:


Easier conference and third place in a combined table. They had a tonne of chopping and changing with few consistent players throughout the season too.


You are like a 5 years old so desperate for attention, ALL that matters is top 3 and winning Knockout games one day your little brain will get it!!


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1400 mins equates to just under 18 games. More than I'd be expecting first choice internationals to play tbh.


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Ireland in general doesn't seem to prioritize producing out and out fullbacks these days.

“These days.” It’s always been the way that young fullbacks get their early senior games on the wing to learn the ropes. Girv, Geordan, Darse, Crotty, Kearney all played a lot of rugby at wing coming up. I’m sure I remember Jim Staples and Conor O’Shea being picked on the wing for tour games at least, if not for full tests.


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Luckycharmer wrote:
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ZuLu wrote:
So Leinster who absolutely romped their conference get 3/45 nominees :lol:


Easier conference and third place in a combined table. They had a tonne of chopping and changing with few consistent players throughout the season too.


So are like a 5 years old so desperate for attention, ALL that matters is top and winning Knockout games one day your little brain will get it!!


I was explaining why Leinster had fewer players involved in the running for the dream team.

Next time try to read and comprehend what you've read before responding. It would save you looking the fool.


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Jumper wrote:
Luckycharmer wrote:
Jumper wrote:
ZuLu wrote:
So Leinster who absolutely romped their conference get 3/45 nominees :lol:


Easier conference and third place in a combined table. They had a tonne of chopping and changing with few consistent players throughout the season too.


So are like a 5 years old so desperate for attention, ALL that matters is top and winning Knockout games one day your little brain will get it!!


I was explaining why Leinster had fewer players involved in the running for the dream team.

Next time try to read and comprehend what you've read before responding. It would save you looking the fool.


Nobody gives a F*ck but I guess it is the only thing any Munster players will be in contention for.


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1400 mins equates to just under 18 games. More than I'd be expecting first choice internationals to play tbh.


Certainly a lot more gametime than any of Leinster's front-line internationals.

They seem to have played a lot more minutes than probably planned/is ideal due to the competitiveness of the Pro14 conference.


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DOB wrote:
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Ireland in general doesn't seem to prioritize producing out and out fullbacks these days.

“These days.” It’s always been the way that young fullbacks get their early senior games on the wing to learn the ropes. Girv, Geordan, Darse, Crotty, Kearney all played a lot of rugby at wing coming up. I’m sure I remember Jim Staples and Conor O’Shea being picked on the wing for tour games at least, if not for full tests.


Yep remember seeing Dempsey starting on the wing for leinster, he also used to do the kicking for touch. Darse didn't really play much at fullback after school that I can remember.


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Luckycharmer wrote:

Nobody gives a F*ck but I guess it is the only thing any Munster players will be in contention for.


There's no need to be such a hysterical mess. :?

I was responding to a poster who was lamenting the lack of Leinster players. You then failed to read what was happening and jumped straight in and made a fool of yourself. You clearly care.


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1400 mins equates to just under 18 games. More than I'd be expecting first choice internationals to play tbh.


Certainly a lot more gametime than any of Leinster's front-line internationals.

They seem to have played a lot more minutes than probably planned/is ideal due to the competitiveness of the Pro14 conference.


How would anyone know given you don't give academy players much gametime, we even rested some of our top players when thrashing a Fresh munster team at the w/end. Probaly time to time to scout South African school kids again rather than trust their own players.


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Jumper wrote:
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Nobody gives a F*ck but I guess it is the only thing any Munster players will be in contention for.


There's no need to be such a hysterical mess. :?

I was responding to a poster who was lamenting the lack of Leinster players. You then failed to read what was happening and jumped straight in and made a fool of yourself. You clearly care.


Jumper is apt the way you have spent all week deflecting from another Pathetic performance by Munster in a knockout game :thumbup:


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Ireland in general doesn't seem to prioritize producing out and out fullbacks these days.

“These days.” It’s always been the way that young fullbacks get their early senior games on the wing to learn the ropes. Girv, Geordan, Darse, Crotty, Kearney all played a lot of rugby at wing coming up. I’m sure I remember Jim Staples and Conor O’Shea being picked on the wing for tour games at least, if not for full tests.


Yep remember seeing Dempsey starting on the wing for leinster, he also used to do the kicking for touch. Darse didn't really play much at fullback after school that I can remember.

Darse was backup fullback to Girv, but in the pre-Celtic League day’s there weren’t 20 regular season games for him to rotate in. He captained Leinster from fullback during RWC 03, with the international players out, but finished that season as an Ireland centre.


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DOB wrote:
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Ireland in general doesn't seem to prioritize producing out and out fullbacks these days.

“These days.” It’s always been the way that young fullbacks get their early senior games on the wing to learn the ropes. Girv, Geordan, Darse, Crotty, Kearney all played a lot of rugby at wing coming up. I’m sure I remember Jim Staples and Conor O’Shea being picked on the wing for tour games at least, if not for full tests.


Yep remember seeing Dempsey starting on the wing for leinster, he also used to do the kicking for touch. Darse didn't really play much at fullback after school that I can remember.

Darse was backup fullback to Girv, but in the pre-Celtic League day’s there weren’t 20 regular season games for him to rotate in. He captained Leinster from fullback during RWC 03, with the international players out, but finished that season as an Ireland centre.

Ah right I remember him more on the wing though his debut against Romania was at fullback.


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Mike Predergast is confirmed as off to Racing as their backs and attack coach.


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Jumper wrote:
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So Leinster who absolutely romped their conference get 3/45 nominees :lol:


Easier conference and third place in a combined table. They had a tonne of chopping and changing with few consistent players throughout the season too.

The no's between the conferences are split evenly.

Ryan, JvdF & Conan 6 P14 appearances etc. I think you need more than 10. Like, Nick Grigg isn't better than Ringrose.


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1400 mins equates to just under 18 games. More than I'd be expecting first choice internationals to play tbh.

8 European games, 2 league knock outs and 8 regular season games doesn't sound too much tbf.


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