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Gibbes being linked with a return to coaching with Cheika

http://www.the42.ie/jono-gibbes-ulster- ... 6-Feb2018/


Would an international set piece coaching role be better/more desirable than a club head coach role?


He doesn't want to be a head coach


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That not my captain stuff is f**king mental. Look at this shit:

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“Innocent until proven guilty” only has meaning in the criminal justice system, it is not an absolute truth & should not protect those accused of heinous acts. The public are free to reach their own conclusions & choose to believe Jackson et al are guilty. #FRAvIRE #NotMyCaptain


You read it here first chaps, the criminal justice system is irrelevant.


I think most of the time it's best not to look at these people. They do their cause, and moderates that might sympathise somewhat, a huge disservice.

Saying that, in the context of the 6N, this all could have been avoided by Best not going to the trial. A text message, dropping over to the house afterwards for a word, a phone call, all would have saved the squad from this distraction. For me it's a monumental lapse of judgement coming into a 6N.


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Gibbes being linked with a return to coaching with Cheika

http://www.the42.ie/jono-gibbes-ulster- ... 6-Feb2018/


Would an international set piece coaching role be better/more desirable than a club head coach role?


Depends on the state of the club!

Which could be a very big attraction in itself, if he had complete IRFU (ie Ulster Branch bypassed) backing.


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That not my captain stuff is f**king mental. Look at this shit:

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“Innocent until proven guilty” only has meaning in the criminal justice system, it is not an absolute truth & should not protect those accused of heinous acts. The public are free to reach their own conclusions & choose to believe Jackson et al are guilty. #FRAvIRE #NotMyCaptain


You read it here first chaps, the criminal justice system is irrelevant.


I think most of the time it's best not to look at these people. They do their cause, and moderates that might sympathise somewhat, a huge disservice.

Saying that, in the context of the 6N, this all could have been avoided by Best not going to the trial. A text message, dropping over to the house afterwards for a word, a phone call, all would have saved the squad from this distraction. For me it's a monumental lapse of judgement coming into a 6N.

So in a way it's actually bests fault that these dickheads are spouting their nonsense. Awesome.


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That not my captain stuff is f**king mental. Look at this shit:

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“Innocent until proven guilty” only has meaning in the criminal justice system, it is not an absolute truth & should not protect those accused of heinous acts. The public are free to reach their own conclusions & choose to believe Jackson et al are guilty. #FRAvIRE #NotMyCaptain


You read it here first chaps, the criminal justice system is irrelevant.


I think most of the time it's best not to look at these people. They do their cause, and moderates that might sympathise somewhat, a huge disservice.

Saying that, in the context of the 6N, this all could have been avoided by Best not going to the trial. A text message, dropping over to the house afterwards for a word, a phone call, all would have saved the squad from this distraction. For me it's a monumental lapse of judgement coming into a 6N.

So in a way it's actually bests fault that these dickheads are spouting their nonsense. Awesome.


That's very Cathy Newman of you. :roll:


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Was Best asked to attend by the prosecution?
If so and he didn't, could they have used that against Jackson and Olding?


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Was Best asked to attend by the prosecution?
If so and he didn't, could they have used that against Jackson and Olding?


Maybe a_j could confirm or deny but how would something happening over two years after the fact be used as evidence against them? Wouldn't make sense to me.


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paddyor wrote:
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That not my captain stuff is f**king mental. Look at this shit:

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“Innocent until proven guilty” only has meaning in the criminal justice system, it is not an absolute truth & should not protect those accused of heinous acts. The public are free to reach their own conclusions & choose to believe Jackson et al are guilty. #FRAvIRE #NotMyCaptain


You read it here first chaps, the criminal justice system is irrelevant.


I think most of the time it's best not to look at these people. They do their cause, and moderates that might sympathise somewhat, a huge disservice.

Saying that, in the context of the 6N, this all could have been avoided by Best not going to the trial. A text message, dropping over to the house afterwards for a word, a phone call, all would have saved the squad from this distraction. For me it's a monumental lapse of judgement coming into a 6N.

So in a way it's actually bests fault that these dickheads are spouting their nonsense. Awesome.

The irony of a reply like this is that you're guilty of exactly the same refusal to see any nuance that the notmycaptain idiots are.

Throw away any grey and distil it down to black/white.


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Bullettyme wrote:
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That not my captain stuff is f**king mental. Look at this shit:

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“Innocent until proven guilty” only has meaning in the criminal justice system, it is not an absolute truth & should not protect those accused of heinous acts. The public are free to reach their own conclusions & choose to believe Jackson et al are guilty. #FRAvIRE #NotMyCaptain


You read it here first chaps, the criminal justice system is irrelevant.


I think most of the time it's best not to look at these people. They do their cause, and moderates that might sympathise somewhat, a huge disservice.

Saying that, in the context of the 6N, this all could have been avoided by Best not going to the trial. A text message, dropping over to the house afterwards for a word, a phone call, all would have saved the squad from this distraction. For me it's a monumental lapse of judgement coming into a 6N.


Except they didn't go to support Olding and Jackson. Apparently the prosecution asked them to go so that they got both sides of the story because they're giving Olding and Jackson a character reference.


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Was Best asked to attend by the prosecution?
If so and he didn't, could they have used that against Jackson and Olding?



He was called as he is a character witness in the trial, he could have probably made up a vaguely plausible excuse to not attend but once he agreed to be a character witness I can't see how there would be any outcome that didn't end in some sort of high profile outrage.

Likes of the Eddie Halvey case, Garry Sliotar etc show the pitfalls of being a character witness in modern day media environment, I don't envy Best for having to make such a call and your opening yourself up to considerable stress (agree to be a character witness in a potentially controversial trial or say no to protect my public profile but abandon a friend) whatever decision you make.


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Was Best asked to attend by the prosecution?
If so and he didn't, could they have used that against Jackson and Olding?


Maybe a_j could confirm or deny but how would something happening over two years after the fact be used as evidence against them? Wouldn't make sense to me.

I would suspect that he would come across as a better character witness if he actually attended court and heard the accusations in court.


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CM11 wrote:
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That not my captain stuff is f**king mental. Look at this shit:

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“Innocent until proven guilty” only has meaning in the criminal justice system, it is not an absolute truth & should not protect those accused of heinous acts. The public are free to reach their own conclusions & choose to believe Jackson et al are guilty. #FRAvIRE #NotMyCaptain


You read it here first chaps, the criminal justice system is irrelevant.


I think most of the time it's best not to look at these people. They do their cause, and moderates that might sympathise somewhat, a huge disservice.

Saying that, in the context of the 6N, this all could have been avoided by Best not going to the trial. A text message, dropping over to the house afterwards for a word, a phone call, all would have saved the squad from this distraction. For me it's a monumental lapse of judgement coming into a 6N.


Except they didn't go to support Olding and Jackson. Apparently the prosecution asked them to go so that they got both sides of the story because they're giving Olding and Jackson a character reference.


My previous post refers but once you agree to give a character reference in support of someone that is the media narrative that will follow.


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That not my captain stuff is f**king mental. Look at this shit:

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“Innocent until proven guilty” only has meaning in the criminal justice system, it is not an absolute truth & should not protect those accused of heinous acts. The public are free to reach their own conclusions & choose to believe Jackson et al are guilty. #FRAvIRE #NotMyCaptain


You read it here first chaps, the criminal justice system is irrelevant.


I think most of the time it's best not to look at these people. They do their cause, and moderates that might sympathise somewhat, a huge disservice.

Saying that, in the context of the 6N, this all could have been avoided by Best not going to the trial. A text message, dropping over to the house afterwards for a word, a phone call, all would have saved the squad from this distraction. For me it's a monumental lapse of judgement coming into a 6N.


Except they didn't go to support Olding and Jackson. Apparently the prosecution asked them to go so that they got both sides of the story because they're giving Olding and Jackson a character reference.


My previous post refers but once you agree to give a character reference in support of someone that is the media narrative that will follow.


Agree with your post, if he hadn't gone it would have come out that he refused to go and the same people would have said the exact same things about him.


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Gibbes being linked with a return to coaching with Cheika

http://www.the42.ie/jono-gibbes-ulster- ... 6-Feb2018/


Would an international set piece coaching role be better/more desirable than a club head coach role?


He doesn't seem to fancy the HC role for whatever reason. That's been his story for the last few years when the opportunity presented itself.


Well he's Head Coach at Ulster currently, not DoR however


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Would an international set piece coaching role be better/more desirable than a club head coach role?


Australia would be last place to go to take such a role. If the set piece goes to pot he will get accused of being a Kiwi mole like Robbie Deans was.


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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GIuFP_Qhp_4

Good interview with furlong, talks a lot about scrummaging, the youth pathways etc.


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CM11 wrote:
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That not my captain stuff is f**king mental. Look at this shit:

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“Innocent until proven guilty” only has meaning in the criminal justice system, it is not an absolute truth & should not protect those accused of heinous acts. The public are free to reach their own conclusions & choose to believe Jackson et al are guilty. #FRAvIRE #NotMyCaptain


You read it here first chaps, the criminal justice system is irrelevant.




Except they didn't go to support Olding and Jackson. Apparently the prosecution asked them to go so that they got both sides of the story because they're giving Olding and Jackson a character reference.


My previous post refers but once you agree to give a character reference in support of someone that is the media narrative that will follow.


Agree with your post, if he hadn't gone it would have come out that he refused to go and the same people would have said the exact same things about him.


Precisely. Any prosecutor would have used their failure to attend against any statement and he would have been a plum anyway.


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Gibbes being linked with a return to coaching with Cheika

http://www.the42.ie/jono-gibbes-ulster- ... 6-Feb2018/


Would an international set piece coaching role be better/more desirable than a club head coach role?


He doesn't want to be a head coach



Why would you tbf.

Ulster is now a poison chalice.


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That not my captain stuff is f**king mental. Look at this shit:

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“Innocent until proven guilty” only has meaning in the criminal justice system, it is not an absolute truth & should not protect those accused of heinous acts. The public are free to reach their own conclusions & choose to believe Jackson et al are guilty. #FRAvIRE #NotMyCaptain


You read it here first chaps, the criminal justice system is irrelevant.


I think most of the time it's best not to look at these people. They do their cause, and moderates that might sympathise somewhat, a huge disservice.

Saying that, in the context of the 6N, this all could have been avoided by Best not going to the trial. A text message, dropping over to the house afterwards for a word, a phone call, all would have saved the squad from this distraction. For me it's a monumental lapse of judgement coming into a 6N.

So in a way it's actually bests fault that these dickheads are spouting their nonsense. Awesome.

The irony of a reply like this is that you're guilty of exactly the same refusal to see any nuance that the notmycaptain idiots are.

Throw away any grey and distil it down to black/white.

No, I get. There are good reasons for Best not to attend, but fear of social media vilification isn't one of them.


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And those good reasons are?


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No, I get. There are good reasons for Best not to attend, but fear of social media vilification isn't one of them.


Which of course is not a point I made, you complete dope.


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That not my captain stuff is f**king mental. Look at this shit:

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“Innocent until proven guilty” only has meaning in the criminal justice system, it is not an absolute truth & should not protect those accused of heinous acts. The public are free to reach their own conclusions & choose to believe Jackson et al are guilty. #FRAvIRE #NotMyCaptain


You read it here first chaps, the criminal justice system is irrelevant.


Jesus fudging Christ


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It has its own thread lads


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It has its own thread lads


I'll be deep in the cold cold ground before I post on a thread that isn't this one.


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I'll put you deep in the cold ground.


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Mullet 2 wrote:
Porterbelly1 wrote:
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irishrugbyua wrote:
Gibbes being linked with a return to coaching with Cheika

http://www.the42.ie/jono-gibbes-ulster- ... 6-Feb2018/


Would an international set piece coaching role be better/more desirable than a club head coach role?


He doesn't want to be a head coach



Why would you tbf.

Ulster is now a poison chalice.

Gibbes has been the head coach at Ulster since he joined :?


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So, Stockdale 6 tries from 6 games.

Joey "the messiah" Carbery 7 wins from 7 appearances.


One of our biggest issues with Joey was his place kicking and there has been no mention of how much it has improved recently, didn't he nail one from the touchline on Sat as well.
Sometimes Sexton over eggs the loop but at least it keeps the defence honest, there were a couple of times I think he could have used it a bit more. There was one time in particular when he threw a long miss pass in our 22 that arrived with the defender.


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irishrugbyua wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GIuFP_Qhp_4

Good interview with furlong, talks a lot about scrummaging, the youth pathways etc.


Great guy! Well worth a listen.


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I think Ireland will probably beat Wales and Scotland and it'll come down to the final game in Twickers.

I see Schmidt's loyalty to Rob Kearney as a potential achilles heel though. He offers little in attack, and just can't/won't tackle.


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5-6 weeks for Lyttle with his hamstring, 6 for Reidy with his knee, a number of weeks for Piutau and a dislocated rib cartilage. I wonder is it time for Piutau to start packing his bags?


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I think Ireland will probably beat Wales and Scotland and it'll come down to the final game in Twickers.

I see Schmidt's loyalty to Rob Kearney as a potential achilles heel though. He offers little in attack, and just can't/won't tackle.


Who is this ?


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I think Ireland will probably beat Wales and Scotland and it'll come down to the final game in Twickers.

I see Schmidt's loyalty to Rob Kearney as a potential achilles heel though. He offers little in attack, and just can't/won't tackle.


Who is this ?

I think it might be one of the Mysterons.


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5-6 weeks for Lyttle with his hamstring, 6 for Reidy with his knee, a number of weeks for Piutau and a dislocated rib cartilage. I wonder is it time for Piutau to start packing his bags?


Looked it up and apparently dislocated rib cartilage will usually take anywhere between 8-24 weeks after treatment, if it’s pretty bad then that’s him done. At best, 8 weeks is mid April, not exactly much rugby left by then


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5-6 weeks for Lyttle with his hamstring, 6 for Reidy with his knee, a number of weeks for Piutau and a dislocated rib cartilage. I wonder is it time for Piutau to start packing his bags?


Looked it up and apparently dislocated rib cartilage will usually take anywhere between 8-24 weeks after treatment, if it’s pretty bad then that’s him done. At best, 8 weeks is mid April, not exactly much rugby left by then

Well then, I hope he enjoys Bristol! It's an alright town!


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I think Ireland will probably beat Wales and Scotland and it'll come down to the final game in Twickers.

I see Schmidt's loyalty to Rob Kearney as a potential achilles heel though. He offers little in attack, and just can't/won't tackle.


If kearney plays he needs to stop running the ball.

He never bounces another player and the number of turnovers he concedes running from the back.

He has a big boot. USE IT.
I like Kearney for the solid reception of the high ball he offers.


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I think Ireland will probably beat Wales and Scotland and it'll come down to the final game in Twickers.

I see Schmidt's loyalty to Rob Kearney as a potential achilles heel though. He offers little in attack, and just can't/won't tackle.


If kearney plays he needs to stop running the ball.

He never bounces another player and the number of turnovers he concedes running from the back.

He has a big boot. USE IT.
I like Kearney for the solid reception of the high ball he offers.


Which he then turns over too often by running into the biggest opposition players he can find, as you mentioned above. I cannot imagine any other player's glaringly obvious limitations being tolerated to this extent. If he doesn't completely shit the bed, and then smear the shite across Joe's face, all his mistakes are ignored, and he's eulogised for catching an occasional ball. Its fcuking insanity. :shock:


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I think Ireland will probably beat Wales and Scotland and it'll come down to the final game in Twickers.

I see Schmidt's loyalty to Rob Kearney as a potential achilles heel though. He offers little in attack, and just can't/won't tackle.


If kearney plays he needs to stop running the ball.

He never bounces another player and the number of turnovers he concedes running from the back.

He has a big boot. USE IT.
I like Kearney for the solid reception of the high ball he offers.

That's horseshit tbf. He very often bumps the first man and rarely gets turned over. The problem is that he makes little headway after bumping someone and we get pretty slow ball off him. Also that he never looks to evade anyone.

There's a lot of problems with his counterattacking. Don't invent more.


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I think Ireland will probably beat Wales and Scotland and it'll come down to the final game in Twickers.

I see Schmidt's loyalty to Rob Kearney as a potential achilles heel though. He offers little in attack, and just can't/won't tackle.


If kearney plays he needs to stop running the ball.

He never bounces another player and the number of turnovers he concedes running from the back.

He has a big boot. USE IT.
I like Kearney for the solid reception of the high ball he offers.


Which he then turns over too often by running into the biggest opposition players he can find, as you mentioned above. I cannot imagine any other player's glaringly obvious limitations being tolerated to this extent. If he doesn't completely shit the bed, and then smear the shite across Joe's face, all his mistakes are ignored, and he's eulogised for catching an occasional ball. Its fcuking insanity. :shock:


Stop making stuff up. He barely ever gets turned over after taking contact. That's complete nonsense.


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nardol wrote:
Captain Scarlet wrote:
I think Ireland will probably beat Wales and Scotland and it'll come down to the final game in Twickers.

I see Schmidt's loyalty to Rob Kearney as a potential achilles heel though. He offers little in attack, and just can't/won't tackle.


If kearney plays he needs to stop running the ball.

He never bounces another player and the number of turnovers he concedes running from the back.

He has a big boot. USE IT.
I like Kearney for the solid reception of the high ball he offers.


Yes, as I watched on Saturday I wondered if he led the stats for taking the ball into contact, ruck ensuing?


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Kearney has already stated that he's been directed to run straight up field and create a target for the pack.

It'd have been interesting to see what would have happened with Payne fit.

The issue with Kearney is that those who don't like him only focus on what he does poorly. There's literally no way for him to offset any errors in their eyes. He could score a hat-trick, beating 10 defenders per try and it'd make no difference.


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