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Actually you know whose build Sexton reminded me of? Ricky Andrew. Hopefully he can actually pass!


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harry 22 wrote:
hes the best 9 we've had in a long long time

he is inconsistent with his passing but he brings tempo to the entire team and they're flourishing out wide despite the odd errant pass

Reddan was a great little 9 for Leinster during the Joe years. Now that lad brought tempo...


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Tecumseh wrote:
harry 22 wrote:
hes the best 9 we've had in a long long time

he is inconsistent with his passing but he brings tempo to the entire team and they're flourishing out wide despite the odd errant pass

Reddan was a great little 9 for Leinster during the Joe years. Now that lad brought tempo...

And far more inconsistent passing than McGrath. But that's the price you pay for speed.


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camroc1 wrote:
Tecumseh wrote:
harry 22 wrote:
hes the best 9 we've had in a long long time

he is inconsistent with his passing but he brings tempo to the entire team and they're flourishing out wide despite the odd errant pass

Reddan was a great little 9 for Leinster during the Joe years. Now that lad brought tempo...

And far more inconsistent passing than McGrath. But that's the price you pay for speed.


The list of great Irish scrum halves over the last 40 years is shorter than a caterpillar's dick....

Murray/ Patterson ................................. that's it


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Bogbunny wrote:
camroc1 wrote:
Tecumseh wrote:
harry 22 wrote:
hes the best 9 we've had in a long long time

he is inconsistent with his passing but he brings tempo to the entire team and they're flourishing out wide despite the odd errant pass

Reddan was a great little 9 for Leinster during the Joe years. Now that lad brought tempo...

And far more inconsistent passing than McGrath. But that's the price you pay for speed.


The list of great Irish scrum halves over the last 40 years is shorter than a caterpillar's dick....

Murray/ Patterson ................................. that's it

John Robbie, maybe?

Agree it's a short list, though.


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Bogbunny wrote:
camroc1 wrote:
Tecumseh wrote:
harry 22 wrote:
hes the best 9 we've had in a long long time

he is inconsistent with his passing but he brings tempo to the entire team and they're flourishing out wide despite the odd errant pass

Reddan was a great little 9 for Leinster during the Joe years. Now that lad brought tempo...

And far more inconsistent passing than McGrath. But that's the price you pay for speed.


The list of great Irish scrum halves over the last 40 years is shorter than a caterpillar's dick....

Murray/ Patterson ................................. that's it

I'd add John Robbie to the list, and the 40 yr rule encompasses the end of Johnny Moloney's career as well.

EDIT I also think that Peter Stringer will be remembered as a far better SH than is perhaps the case now.


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Mike Ross's house on rte 1 for you nosy parkers out there.


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Mike Ross's house on rte 1 for you nosy parkers out there.

And the young lad has a poster of BOD in his bedroom :lol:


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camroc1 wrote:
Bogbunny wrote:
camroc1 wrote:
Tecumseh wrote:
harry 22 wrote:
hes the best 9 we've had in a long long time

he is inconsistent with his passing but he brings tempo to the entire team and they're flourishing out wide despite the odd errant pass

Reddan was a great little 9 for Leinster during the Joe years. Now that lad brought tempo...

And far more inconsistent passing than McGrath. But that's the price you pay for speed.


The list of great Irish scrum halves over the last 40 years is shorter than a caterpillar's dick....

Murray/ Patterson ................................. that's it

I'd add John Robbie to the list, and the 40 yr rule encompasses the end of Johnny Moloney's career as well.

EDIT I also think that Peter Stringer will be remembered as a far better SH than is perhaps the case now.


Obligatory Scally mention.

Stringer was very good for the main part of his Irish career and would have been even better inside a more dynamic FH. It's a shame that the game got to a stage where his physical limitations were too severe for his pass to compensate.


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Have a look at VDF's carrying stats against the ABs. He picks fantastic lines - really smart player. Leavy might (emphasise might here) be a better tight carrier but VDF is far better at picking a line and targeting a weak shoulder. Both have perfect tackling technique and Leavy is a better over the ball. Not a bad headache to have.

Have a look at the stats for the 16/17 season

VdF mins played 1724
carries 185
metres 508
9.32 mins per carry
2.7m per carry
4 tries

Leavy mins played 1569
carries 227
metres 667
6.91 mins per carry
2.9m per carry
8 tries

IMO VdF isn't as good a carrier as Leavy. You don't see him popping up when Leinster are working the blindside. And yes I know he's openside, he always plays there and SOB moves to 6. Whereas Leavy usually lines out at 6 when he's playing with SOB or VdF. Probably because he's a more abrasive tight carrier(and all round tbh).

VdFs carrying is a bonus. He needs to be in a bit of space and you'll probably find for a lot of it he's either/and
1)flanked by a bigger carrier(s)
2)taking the ball short at full tilt close to the gainline

Credit where it's due for picking the line but he's being worked into that position by his team mates.


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CM11 wrote:
camroc1 wrote:
Bogbunny wrote:
camroc1 wrote:
Tecumseh wrote:
Reddan was a great little 9 for Leinster during the Joe years. Now that lad brought tempo...

And far more inconsistent passing than McGrath. But that's the price you pay for speed.


The list of great Irish scrum halves over the last 40 years is shorter than a caterpillar's dick....

Murray/ Patterson ................................. that's it

I'd add John Robbie to the list, and the 40 yr rule encompasses the end of Johnny Moloney's career as well.

EDIT I also think that Peter Stringer will be remembered as a far better SH than is perhaps the case now.


Obligatory Scally mention.

Stringer was very good for the main part of his Irish career and would have been even better inside a more dynamic FH. It's a shame that the game got to a stage where his physical limitations were too severe for his pass to compensate.

Stringer suffered from not having proper competition for his place for most of his career.


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God that was a miserable night for some rugby, Ulster u19s won pretty handily.

Just seen the teamsheet: that TH - not a local boy?


Ulster U19 Dev Team to play Canada U19:

(1-8): Callum Reid, Clayton Milligan (Capt), Seif El Gawaad, Stephen Kelly, Conor McMeniman, Phil Campbell, Charlie Clarke, David Browne;
(9-15): Lewis Finlay, Matthew Hamilton, Robert Balacoune, Keelin Coyle, Aaron Sexton, Zack Kerr, Ben McCaughey.

Replacements: Paul McGookin, Bryn Davies, Robbie Mathers, Matthew Sands, Kyle Gill, Michael Stronge, Ben Moxham.


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Yer Man wrote:
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God that was a miserable night for some rugby, Ulster u19s won pretty handily.

Just seen the teamsheet: that TH - not a local boy?


Ulster U19 Dev Team to play Canada U19:

(1-8): Callum Reid, Clayton Milligan (Capt), Seif El Gawaad, Stephen Kelly, Conor McMeniman, Phil Campbell, Charlie Clarke, David Browne;
(9-15): Lewis Finlay, Matthew Hamilton, Robert Balacoune, Keelin Coyle, Aaron Sexton, Zack Kerr, Ben McCaughey.

Replacements: Paul McGookin, Bryn Davies, Robbie Mathers, Matthew Sands, Kyle Gill, Michael Stronge, Ben Moxham.

Carrick if I remember correctly.

I have the feeling McCusker was actually on the bench but not 100%.

edit: Looking it up he definitely came on where I don't think Matthew Sands did. Plus the academy lads where shouting at him on the bench from the balcony for most of the match. He sure is a big strong lad.


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Banana Man wrote:
Can’t use a match from 14 months ago as a barometer.

Leavy picked a dream of a line for your try v Exeter

I take the points on VDFs ability to pick a line, and I’m at pains here to say he’s an excellent player, but Leavys raw power means that even simple things like the amount of players needed to clear him out of a ruck gives him an edge for me.

Breakdown is everything in modern game and Leavy is just a brute in tight exchanges.

Not sure VDF is a link man in that Gleeson/Martyn Williams role - but don’t think any province has had anyone like that to be fair.

Leavy might not be as adapt yet as popping up in outside channel but he’s getting there. I can’t see VDF all of a sudden turning into Hooper.




The most important factor is that they both play in blue. :thumbup:



Galway's not a bad spot.


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Nolanator wrote:
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Can’t use a match from 14 months ago as a barometer.

Leavy picked a dream of a line for your try v Exeter

I take the points on VDFs ability to pick a line, and I’m at pains here to say he’s an excellent player, but Leavys raw power means that even simple things like the amount of players needed to clear him out of a ruck gives him an edge for me.

Breakdown is everything in modern game and Leavy is just a brute in tight exchanges.

Not sure VDF is a link man in that Gleeson/Martyn Williams role - but don’t think any province has had anyone like that to be fair.

Leavy might not be as adapt yet as popping up in outside channel but he’s getting there. I can’t see VDF all of a sudden turning into Hooper.




The most important factor is that they both play in blue. :thumbup:



Galway's not a bad spot.

Agreed!

I think B'man is sopt on about VdF though. This will sound like a back-handed compliment but he's a by the numbers players. He does a lot of things really well a lot of the time and it's all about his athletic ability. The turnover against Treviso were he followed up a kick before the 4th or 5th try is a good example of it.


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Ulster U19 Dev Team to play Canada U19:

1. Callum Reid(RBAI/Ulster u19)
2. Clayton Milligan(Down HS/Ulster u19)
3. Seif El Gawaad(Carrickfergus RFC/Ulster u18 club)
4. Stephen Kelly(Inishowen RFC/Ulster u18 club)
5. Conor McMeniman(Letterkenny RFC/Ulster u18 club)
6. Phil Campbell(Ballymena RFC/Ulster u18 club)
7. Charlie Clarke(Rainey RFC/Ulster u18 club)
8. David Browne(Limavady/Ulster u18 schools)
9. Lewis Finlay(Down HS/Ulster u18 schools)
10. Matthew Hamilton(Malone RFC/Ulster u18 club)
11. Robert Balacoune(Enniskillen RFC/Ulster u20)
12. Keelin Coyle(Foyle & Londonderry College/Ulster u18 schools)
13. Aaron Sexton(Bangor Grammar/Ulster u18 schools)
14. Zack Kerr(Bangor Grammar/Ulster u19)
15. Ben McCaughey(Friends School/Ulster u18 schools)
16. Bryn Davies(Rainey ES/Ulster u18 schools)
17. Paul McGookin(Ballyclare RFC/Ulster u19)
18. Robbie Mathers(Banbridge RFC/Ulster u18 club)
19. Matthew Sands(Newry RFC/Ulster u18 club)
20. Kyle Gill(Ballynahinch RFC/Ulster u18 club)
21. Michael Stronge(Ballymena/Ulster u20)
22. Ben Moxham(Larne RFC/Ulster u18 club)


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3 culchies in that backrow.
Please dear f**k let at least one of them be a hard farmer kunt that is capable of becoming a reasonable professional.


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A serious amount of club developed players there.

Good to see.


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Players who played for Ireland u20 over past two weeks:

LH Prop: James French (UCC/Munster)
LH Prop: Jordan Duggan (Naas/Leinster)

TH Prop: Jack Aungier (St. Mary's College/Leinster)
TH Prop: Joe Byrne (Dublin University/Leinster)
TH Prop: Bryan O'Connor(UCC/Munster)

Hooker: Ronan Kelleher (Lansdowne/Leinster)
Hooker: Diarmaid Barron(Garryowen/Munster)
Hooker: Alex Clarke (Queens/Ulster)

2nd Row: Cormac Daly (Clontarf/Leinster)
2nd Row: Jack Dunne (Dublin University/Leinster)
2nd Row: Ronan Coffey (Shannon/Munster)
2nd Row: Charlie Ryan (UCD/Leinster)(U19)

Backrow: Caelan Doris (St. Mary's College/Leinster)
Backrow: Max Kearney (Dublin University/Leinster)
Backrow: Ronan Foley (UCD/Leinster)
Backrow: Jack O'Sullivan(UCC/Munster)
Backrow: Matthew Agnew(Ballymena/Ulster)
Backrow: Sean Masterson(Corinthians/Connacht(

Scrumhalf: Hugh O'Sullivan (Clontarf/Leinster)
Scrumhalf: Jonny Stewart (Queens/Ulster)

Outhalf: Conor Dean (St. Mary's College/Leinster)
Outhalf: Harry Byrne (UCD/Leinster)(U19)
Outhalf: Conor Kelly (Clontarf/Leinster)(U19)

Centre: Tommy O'Brien (UCD/Leinster)
Centre: Sean O'Brien (Clontarf/Leinster)
Centre: David McCarthy(Garryowen/Munster)
Centre: James Newey (Bristol)

Wing: Peter Sullivan (Lansdowne/Leinster)
Wing: Angus Kernohan (Ballymena/Ulster)(U19)
Wing: Aaron O’Sullivan (Wasps)(U19)
Wing: Peter Maher (Old Belvedere/Leinster)
Back Three: Michael Silvester (Dublin University/Leinster)
Back Three: James McCarthy(UL Bohs/Munster)(U19)


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Caelan Doris is expected to miss the U20 6 nations due to injury FYI.


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irishrugbyua wrote:
Caelan Doris is expected to miss the U20 6 nations due to injury FYI.


That’s a shame. How strong do you expect our 20’s to be this year?


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irishrugbyua wrote:
Caelan Doris is expected to miss the U20 6 nations due to injury FYI.


That’s a shame. How strong do you expect our 20’s to be this year?


Should be decent enough, if not too affected by injury and provincial call ups...

Doris is a big loss though.


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irishrugbyua wrote:
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irishrugbyua wrote:
Caelan Doris is expected to miss the U20 6 nations due to injury FYI.


That’s a shame. How strong do you expect our 20’s to be this year?


Should be decent enough, if not too affected by injury and provincial call ups...

Doris is a big loss though.

Heard the IQ lad - McCarthy we brought in from Wales - has been excellent in Irish camps to date. Is still u19 (I think) but was told he's been very impressive.

Probably won't start, think the Trinity 15 is a lock there????


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Banana Man wrote:
irishrugbyua wrote:
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irishrugbyua wrote:
Caelan Doris is expected to miss the U20 6 nations due to injury FYI.


That’s a shame. How strong do you expect our 20’s to be this year?


Should be decent enough, if not too affected by injury and provincial call ups...

Doris is a big loss though.

Heard the IQ lad - McCarthy we brought in from Wales - has been excellent in Irish camps to date. Is still u19 (I think) but was told he's been very impressive.

Probably won't start, think the Trinity 15 is a lock there????


McCarthy is an under-19.

Yeah at this stage I'd say Silvester is a near lock to start there but could be wrong.


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irishrugbyua wrote:
Banana Man wrote:
irishrugbyua wrote:
Conspicuous wrote:
irishrugbyua wrote:
Caelan Doris is expected to miss the U20 6 nations due to injury FYI.


That’s a shame. How strong do you expect our 20’s to be this year?


Should be decent enough, if not too affected by injury and provincial call ups...

Doris is a big loss though.

Heard the IQ lad - McCarthy we brought in from Wales - has been excellent in Irish camps to date. Is still u19 (I think) but was told he's been very impressive.

Probably won't start, think the Trinity 15 is a lock there????


McCarthy is an under-19.

Yeah at this stage I'd say Silvester is a near lock to start there but could be wrong.

Team might lack the Larmour, Nash etc star quality but alot of those lads have plenty of AIL experience under the belt, like Duggan, Daly, Dunne, Aungier, Kelleher Masterson, Dean etc

Will serve them good against the Orcs etc


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Any more news on James Ryan injury ? The only info I can see suggests he’ll be back before 6N, but it’s nearly a week old
https://www.google.ie/amp/s/amp.indepen ... 43614.html


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Any more news on James Ryan injury ? The only info I can see suggests he’ll be back before 6N, but it’s nearly a week old
https://www.google.ie/amp/s/amp.indepen ... 43614.html


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Any more news on James Ryan injury ? The only info I can see suggests he’ll be back before 6N, but it’s nearly a week old
https://www.google.ie/amp/s/amp.indepen ... 43614.html


Just that he won't be back this week.


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Team might lack the Larmour, Nash etc star quality but alot of those lads have plenty of AIL experience under the belt, like Duggan, Daly, Dunne, Aungier, Kelleher Masterson, Dean etc

Will serve them good against the Orcs etc


Yeah, they will be better coached this year too IMO so hopefully they can go well..

If Ulster pull as many players as expected, team could be dominated by Leinster more so than usual.


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Why aren't a lot of the Ulster players selected?

James Hume
McCusker
Dalton
O'toole
Curtis
Lowry
Hall
Dunleavy

They should all be involved there. That's a bloody disgrace. What's going on?


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Willie Falloon wrote:
Why aren't a lot of the Ulster players selected?

James Hume
McCusker
Dalton
O'toole
Curtis
Lowry
Hall
Dunleavy

They should all be involved there. That's a bloody disgrace. What's going on?

Hume and Lowry are both injured.


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Willie Falloon wrote:
Why aren't a lot of the Ulster players selected?

James Hume
McCusker
Dalton
O'toole
Curtis
Lowry
Hall
Dunleavy

They should all be involved there. That's a bloody disgrace. What's going on?


Hume, injured, hasn't played once all season.
McCusker appears to be behind other players at position.
Dalton needed by Ulster.
O'Toole, unsure possibly pulled by Ulster.
Curtis, unsure possibly pulled by Ulster.
Lowry, injured.
Hall, unsure possibly pulled by Ulster.
Dunleavy, injured.


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Not sure if it's been done but what are people's form Irish 23 man squad in advance of the 6N? Some interesting calls at LH, Centre and back three for Joe. Also, and I can't believe that I'm typing this, I'd consider Archer the form back up to Furlong which is frankly amazing given his patchy career. He's been far better than John Ryan in the last couple of months, has been mincing scrums and working his ass off in the loose.


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Not sure if it's been done but what are people's form Irish 23 man squad in advance of the 6N? Some interesting calls at LH, Centre and back three for Joe. Also, and I can't believe that I'm typing this, I'd consider Archer the form back up to Furlong which is frankly amazing given his patchy career. He's been far better than John Ryan in the last couple of months, has been mincing scrums and working his ass off in the loose.


1. Healy
2. Best
3. Furlong
4. Henderson
5. Ryan*
6. POM
7. SOB
8. Stander
9. Murray
10. Sexton
11. Stockdale
12. Aki
13. Henshaw
14. Earls
15. Kearney

16. Scannell*
17. McGrath
18. Ryan
19. Dillane
20. Leavy
21. Marmion
22. Carbery
23. Conway

*assuming they are fit

Dillane over Toner is fairly marginal, both are playing well. Could swing either way. Same as McGrath/Kilcoyne for the bench spot, we know what McGrath can do but Kilcoyne is probably in better form right now. Also pretty harsh leaving VdF out as well


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Unless there's injuries I would expect it will be something like

Healy
Best
Furlong
Henderson
Toner
POM
SOB
Stander
Murray
Sexton
Stockdale
Henshaw
Ringrose
Earls
Kearney

Scannell
McGrath
Ryan
Dillane
VDF
Marmion
Keatley (Caberry if he's fit)
Aki

But I'd like to see McCloskey, Gilroy, Leavy, Cooney and James Ryan (if fit) involved at some stage


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Not sure if it's been done but what are people's form Irish 23 man squad in advance of the 6N? Some interesting calls at LH, Centre and back three for Joe. Also, and I can't believe that I'm typing this, I'd consider Archer the form back up to Furlong which is frankly amazing given his patchy career. He's been far better than John Ryan in the last couple of months, has been mincing scrums and working his ass off in the loose.


1. Healy
2. Best
3. Furlong
4. Henderson
5. Ryan*
6. POM
7. SOB
8. Stander
9. Murray
10. Sexton
11. Stockdale
12. Aki
13. Henshaw
14. Earls
15. Kearney

16. Scannell*
17. McGrath
18. Ryan
19. Dillane
20. Leavy
21. Marmion
22. Carbery
23. Conway

*assuming they are fit

Dillane over Toner is fairly marginal, both are playing well. Could swing either way. Same as McGrath/Kilcoyne for the bench spot, we know what McGrath can do but Kilcoyne is probably in better form right now. Also pretty harsh leaving VdF out as well


Not sure Ryan is quite ready to be a full time starter and Toner has upped his game in the last few months. Hope Ryan gets some gametime but would prefer Toner and Hendie with Dillane off the bench and continue to drip feed Ryan games- he's certainly picking up knocks at a rate which suggests he's still physically developing.

Aki v Ringrose will be the big call. Also hope Dan Leavy gets a good bit of game time, he's a beast.


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earl the beaver wrote:
Unless there's injuries I would expect it will be something like

Healy
Best
Furlong
Henderson
Toner
POM
SOB
Stander
Murray
Sexton
Stockdale
Henshaw
Ringrose
Earls
Kearney

Scannell
McGrath
Ryan
Dillane
VDF
Marmion
Keatley (Caberry if he's fit)
Aki

But I'd like to see McCloskey, Gilroy, Leavy, Cooney and James Ryan (if fit) involved at some stage


Likewise, deserves a reward for great form and the bravery of making the move up North. Goalkicking scrum half is also dead handy.


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Clancy reffing Ulster vs Leinster with Fitzgibbon as TMO, there’s no way we’ll win now :lol:


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Ulsters Red Hand wrote:
Clancy reffing Ulster vs Leinster with Fitzgibbon as TMO, there’s no way we’ll win now :lol:


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