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Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread

Posted: Sun Mar 11, 2018 10:48 pm
by Yer Man
nardol wrote:Just to go against the flow for a minute and talk pro14;

What's the structure to determine the semi lineup?

I see there are 2 playoff games prior to the semi finals. So does 2nd in conf A play 3rd in conf B and 2 in conf B play 3 in conf A? With the conf winners going to a semi automatically?
A1 vs winners of B2 vs A3
B1 vs winners of A2 vs B3

(The second placed teams get home advantage in the "QF" and the 1st placed teams get home advantage in the "SF".)




Now for the SpivCup places it gets complicated:

1st, 2nd & 3rd in each Conference qualify (excluding the Saffers, i.e. Cheetahs in Conf A).
Then the 4th placed (non-Saffer) teams play a one off match hosted by the 4th placed team with more league points.

At this moment in time it would mean Ulster hosting Connacht, but Ulster don't look like winning another game and could be overtaken by Treviso...

Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread

Posted: Sun Mar 11, 2018 10:52 pm
by Bullettyme
He's awfully top heavy isn't he.

Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread

Posted: Sun Mar 11, 2018 11:28 pm
by Willie Falloon
Bullettyme wrote:He's awfully top heavy isn't he.

He's not, he's a very leggy fella on the rugby pitch. Just needs to do a bit more leg weights.

Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread

Posted: Sun Mar 11, 2018 11:49 pm
by Nolanator
He doesn't have much of a neck, which adds to the stocky top half.

Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread

Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2018 12:28 am
by paddyor

Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread

Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2018 12:35 am
by Sissyfuss
Fair play to him. Whingeing twitter kuntz.

Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread

Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2018 12:48 am
by Mullet 2
Well done Quinlan.

Too many scrotes with an opinion on rugger these days.

You can see it in here, your Jumper and Sewa types. Simply awful chaps.

Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread

Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2018 12:56 am
by Sissyfuss
Mullet 2 wrote:Well done Quinlan.

Too many scrotes with an opinion on rugger these days.

You can see it in here, your Jumper and Sewa types. Simply awful chaps.
A sad day when they cant even acknowledge he had a fine game. Pathetic really.

Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread

Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2018 12:59 am
by Sissyfuss
EverReady wrote:I don't like Quinlan because of the thing but he is right here. Right but then wrong to tell Rob that people are moaning about him getting the MOM

'HERE ROBBO HOPE YOU ARE ENJOYING YOUR MOM BUT ACTUALLY EVERYBODY HATES YOU'

God I hate Alan Quinlan.
When did this 'EverReady' I'm the voice of reason thing happen?

Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread

Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2018 1:38 am
by paddyor
Mullet 2 wrote:Well done Quinlan.

Too many scrotes with an opinion on rugger these days.

You can see it in here, your Jumper and Sewa types. Simply awful chaps.
Both very quite at the inute it has to be said. Haven't seen much of sewage these past few weeks except on the Jackson/Olding thread. Jumper at least shows up on match thread to point the finger at non Munster players.

Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread

Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2018 5:06 am
by Floppykid

Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread

Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2018 5:10 am
by Floppykid
Rewatching it, Ryan and Furlong are ridiculous.

Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread

Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2018 8:41 am
by Willie Falloon
Floppykid wrote:Rewatching it, Ryan and Furlong are ridiculous.
For years and years Ireland really only had BOD, Ferris, Heaslip, Wallace and POC who would make an All Blacks squad.

IMHO.
McGrath
Healy
Furlong
Henderson
Ryan
Leavy
SOB
Murray
Sexton
Stockdale
Ringrose


They would all be current All Blacks. This current Irish pack is our greatest ever.

Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread

Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2018 8:45 am
by Diego
Floppykid wrote:https://youtu.be/mgoxs0cXhAk?t=5m29s

Gotta love that step.
Anyone who says Ringer should have passed that is talking out their hoop. Everyone is marked.

Sexton and Earls cleaning Watson out of the ruck though :thumbup:

Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread

Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2018 8:47 am
by Willie Falloon
Diego wrote:
Floppykid wrote:https://youtu.be/mgoxs0cXhAk?t=5m29s

Gotta love that step.
Anyone who says Ringer should have passed that is talking out their hoop. Everyone is marked.

Sexton and Earls cleaning Watson out of the ruck though :thumbup:
Only Jumper is saying that.

Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread

Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2018 9:04 am
by FravBront
Willie Falloon wrote:
Floppykid wrote:Rewatching it, Ryan and Furlong are ridiculous.
For years and years Ireland really only had BOD, Ferris, Heaslip, Wallace and POC who would make an All Blacks squad.

IMHO.
McGrath
Healy
Furlong
Henderson
Ryan
Leavy
SOB
Murray
Sexton
Stockdale
Ringrose


They would all be current All Blacks. This current Irish pack is our greatest ever.
I think Bowe would have also have made NZ too

Agree on (most of) the above.

Our pack depth is insane

Healy Best Furlong
Hendo Ryan
POM Stander SOB

McGrath Cronin Porter
Toner Beirne
Leavy Conan VDF

Kilcoyne Scannell Ryan
Dillane Roux
Ruddock Murphy O'Donnell

:shock:

Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread

Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2018 9:15 am
by Duff Paddy
The scoreline really flattered us.
Our pack is very good, with good depth.
Leavy played well but got absolutely left for dead early in the second half - and it happened against Wales as well.
Ringrose was the best player on the pitch.
Kearney man of the match was bizarre.
Our backs looked so blunt compared to Scotland, we really need some pace from full back.
Stockdale is a serious liability in defence, he needs to improve there.

Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread

Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2018 9:59 am
by camroc1
Diego wrote:
Floppykid wrote:https://youtu.be/mgoxs0cXhAk?t=5m29s

Gotta love that step.
Anyone who says Ringer should have passed that is talking out their hoop. Everyone is marked.

Sexton and Earls cleaning Watson out of the ruck though :thumbup:
One of the differences between Ireland and Scotland. Ireland not offloading, or going for the miracle pass, but keeping possession. Scotland seemed to be always looking for the miracle pass, to the extent that Stockdale was given licence to go hunt for them, which, following his scoring interception, affected the Scots wide passing for the rest of the match.

A big shout out to Sexton as well, who tracked Hugh Jones back and made sure of his tackle, making Jones himself have to pass. It's what your taught from minis on. You make your tackle, and make your opponent have to pass to score. :thumbup:

Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread

Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2018 10:01 am
by irishrugbyua
CM11 wrote:Am I being too harsh on the u20s to say that I can't see where a future international comes from in that team? I know I should probably wait till the WC when we seem to play a lot better.
too harsh, Kelleher is easily in the top 3 hookers to play for Ireland u20 this decade and will progress quickly at Leinster, injury permitting.

the performances of Aungier and O'Toole have been very encouraging, don't think Ireland u20 have ever had two TH's as good at this level.

Doris has been a huge loss in the backrow also.

Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread

Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2018 10:03 am
by camroc1
Anyway, will the fact that they'll be missing Lawes and Hughes next week mean that by default the English BR will be better ?

Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread

Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2018 10:08 am
by CM11
irishrugbyua wrote:
CM11 wrote:Am I being too harsh on the u20s to say that I can't see where a future international comes from in that team? I know I should probably wait till the WC when we seem to play a lot better.
too harsh, Kelleher is easily in the top 3 hookers to play for Ireland u20 this decade and will progress quickly at Leinster, injury permitting.

the performances of Aungier and O'Toole have been very encouraging, don't think Ireland u20 have ever had two TH's as good at this level.

Doris has been a huge loss in the backrow also.
Fair enough.

Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread

Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2018 10:08 am
by Diego
Duff Paddy wrote:The scoreline really flattered us.
Our pack is very good, with good depth.
Leavy played well but got absolutely left for dead early in the second half - and it happened against Wales as well.
Ringrose was the best player on the pitch.
Kearney man of the match was bizarre.
Our backs looked so blunt compared to Scotland, we really need some pace from full back.
Stockdale is a serious liability in defence, he needs to improve there.
This contrarian act is getting a bit silly.

Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread

Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2018 10:10 am
by Yer Man
EverReady wrote:'HERE ROBBO HOPE YOU ARE ENJOYING YOUR MOM
er, um...

Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread

Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2018 10:11 am
by camroc1
Diego wrote:
Duff Paddy wrote:The scoreline really flattered us.
Our pack is very good, with good depth.
Leavy played well but got absolutely left for dead early in the second half - and it happened against Wales as well.
Ringrose was the best player on the pitch.
Kearney man of the match was bizarre.
Our backs looked so blunt compared to Scotland, we really need some pace from full back.
Stockdale is a serious liability in defence, he needs to improve there.
This contrarian act is getting a bit silly.
Yep, we dicked Scotland the way NZ dicked us for years: by being better than them.

Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread

Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2018 10:13 am
by Mr. Very Popular
Duff Paddy wrote:The scoreline really flattered us.

Stockdale is a serious liability in defence, he needs to improve there.
One thing that other teams will stop doing is trying the miracle pass anywhere near Stockdale so that will help with getting players to drift and shore up a bit.

Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread

Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2018 10:17 am
by camroc1
Mr. Very Popular wrote:
Duff Paddy wrote:The scoreline really flattered us.

Stockdale is a serious liability in defence, he needs to improve there.
One thing that other teams will stop doing is trying the miracle pass anywhere near Stockdale so that will help with getting players to drift and shore up a bit.
If you look at the interception again, Ringrose was already drifting behind Stockdale to mark the winger if the pass went over Stockdale. This was obviously something they'd practiced at Carton, and well done to Ireland team for spotting the ploy and working out a very effective counter ploy.

Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread

Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2018 10:19 am
by Diego
It was just a terrible pass/choice of pass really. It was never on, and would have gone nowhere if Stockdale had held back either. The right ball was the flat one to Jones, who might have had Ringrose in trouble.

Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread

Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2018 10:20 am
by Yer Man
Duff Paddy wrote:Stockdale is a serious liability in defence, he needs to improve there.
Yeah, I know what you mean.

Every time the opposition float a huge mis-pass towards his wing I'm thinking "try time"

Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread

Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2018 10:20 am
by jezzer
Diego wrote:
Floppykid wrote:https://youtu.be/mgoxs0cXhAk?t=5m29s

Gotta love that step.
Anyone who says Ringer should have passed that is talking out their hoop. Everyone is marked.

Sexton and Earls cleaning Watson out of the ruck though :thumbup:
So Ringrose himself and Sexton are full of shite. Both said he should have passed.

Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread

Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2018 10:21 am
by Ulsters Red Hand
YOYO wrote:
Willie Falloon wrote:
Bullettyme wrote:He's awfully top heavy isn't he.

He's not, he's a very leggy fella on the rugby pitch. Just needs to do a bit more leg weights.

A big lad.

HEIGHT 1.91 m (6' 3")
WEIGHT 103 kg (16 st 2 lb)

Read somewhere that he had bulked up to 107kg but scaled down a bit to a more optimal weight for him.
Apparently he was at his heaviest playing for the U20s in the world cup

Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread

Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2018 10:22 am
by lorcanoworms
Can't believe we didn't score of Russell's early knock on, what are Ireland going to do if defence out wide does not improve?
Change players or defence coach?

Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread

Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2018 10:23 am
by Diego
jezzer wrote:
Diego wrote:
Floppykid wrote:https://youtu.be/mgoxs0cXhAk?t=5m29s

Gotta love that step.
Anyone who says Ringer should have passed that is talking out their hoop. Everyone is marked.

Sexton and Earls cleaning Watson out of the ruck though :thumbup:
So Ringrose himself and Sexton are full of shite. Both said he should have passed.
Tell me when and to who.

Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread

Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2018 10:26 am
by jezzer
Diego wrote:
jezzer wrote:
Diego wrote:
Floppykid wrote:https://youtu.be/mgoxs0cXhAk?t=5m29s

Gotta love that step.
Anyone who says Ringer should have passed that is talking out their hoop. Everyone is marked.

Sexton and Earls cleaning Watson out of the ruck though :thumbup:
So Ringrose himself and Sexton are full of shite. Both said he should have passed.
Tell me when and to who.
Yesterday in an interview to the press ;)

Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread

Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2018 10:26 am
by Yer Man
camroc1 wrote:
Mr. Very Popular wrote:
Duff Paddy wrote:The scoreline really flattered us.

Stockdale is a serious liability in defence, he needs to improve there.
One thing that other teams will stop doing is trying the miracle pass anywhere near Stockdale so that will help with getting players to drift and shore up a bit.
If you look at the interception again, Ringrose was already drifting behind Stockdale to mark the winger if the pass went over Stockdale. This was obviously something they'd practiced at Carton, and well done to Ireland team for spotting the ploy and working out a very effective counter ploy.
Just checked, those two lads played together in the 2015 JWC.
So they'd have experience of defending as a unit anyway.
Also, that team had Carbery at 10 and Sammy Arnold at 12.

And other teams wonder why we can just bring new players in so easily...

Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread

Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2018 10:29 am
by Ulsters Red Hand
FravBront wrote:
Willie Falloon wrote:
Floppykid wrote:Rewatching it, Ryan and Furlong are ridiculous.
For years and years Ireland really only had BOD, Ferris, Heaslip, Wallace and POC who would make an All Blacks squad.

IMHO.
McGrath
Healy
Furlong
Henderson
Ryan
Leavy
SOB
Murray
Sexton
Stockdale
Ringrose


They would all be current All Blacks. This current Irish pack is our greatest ever.
I think Bowe would have also have made NZ too

Agree on (most of) the above.

Our pack depth is insane

Healy Best Furlong
Hendo Ryan
POM Stander SOB

McGrath Cronin Porter
Toner Beirne
Leavy Conan VDF

Kilcoyne Scannell Ryan
Dillane Roux
Ruddock Murphy O'Donnell

:shock:
Even in the backs we have good depth in a load of positions. Moving forward, if all 3 are fit it’ll be interesting to see who’s going to be first choice 13. My money is on Ringrose but I hope we see Aki partnered with him, though I don’t think we lose a lot if it’s Henshaw or Farrell being first choice. Hopefully the Henshaw at 12 thing has been done now

Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread

Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2018 10:29 am
by Yer Man
Diego wrote:
jezzer wrote:
Diego wrote:
Floppykid wrote:https://youtu.be/mgoxs0cXhAk?t=5m29s

Gotta love that step.
Anyone who says Ringer should have passed that is talking out their hoop. Everyone is marked.

Sexton and Earls cleaning Watson out of the ruck though :thumbup:
So Ringrose himself and Sexton are full of shite. Both said he should have passed.
Tell me when and to who.
Earls on the right is marked.

Murray and Sexton were available on the left, but there were plenty of covering defenders - it was always going to be a tackle & ruck.

Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread

Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2018 10:31 am
by Diego
Henshaw will be playing 12 for Leinster so they'll get a lot of chances to perform together.

Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread

Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2018 10:33 am
by Yer Man
Ulsters Red Hand wrote:Even in the backs we have good depth in a load of positions. Moving forward, if all 3 are fit it’ll be interesting to see who’s going to be first choice 13. My money is on Ringrose but I hope we see Aki partnered with him, though I don’t think we lose a lot if it’s Henshaw or Farrell being first choice. Hopefully the Henshaw at 12 thing has been done now
Ringrose is just a different class.

Has genuine pace - forces teams to respect that, or cuts them open if they don't.
And lovely hands, beautiful execution on the runaround for the 2nd try.

Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread

Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2018 10:34 am
by Ulsters Red Hand
Diego wrote:Henshaw will be playing 12 for Leinster so they'll get a lot of chances to perform together.
Aki was seriously impressive all tournament, if both fit it’ll take a lot for Henshaw to be first choice 12 again imo

Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread

Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2018 10:36 am
by Ulsters Red Hand
Yer Man wrote:
Ulsters Red Hand wrote:Even in the backs we have good depth in a load of positions. Moving forward, if all 3 are fit it’ll be interesting to see who’s going to be first choice 13. My money is on Ringrose but I hope we see Aki partnered with him, though I don’t think we lose a lot if it’s Henshaw or Farrell being first choice. Hopefully the Henshaw at 12 thing has been done now
Ringrose is just a different class.

Has genuine pace - forces teams to respect that, or cuts them open if they don't.
And lovely hands, beautiful execution on the runaround for the 2nd try.
He’s by far the most intelligent player we have at 13 and always seems relatively mistake free. To come back in and play test rugby straight after injury shows how good he is