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Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread
Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2018 12:27 pm
by camroc1
Willie Falloon wrote:camroc1 wrote:danthefan wrote:What do we expect for next weekend, Henderson to come back in and as you were otherwise? There were no injuries right?
I'd expect Toner to start, and for us to attack their scrum from the word go.
The commentator said that it was pretty common knowledge that Henderson was on the bench to save himself for England this week.
Not dissing Henderson at all. It's just if we attack England's set piece, we need the heaviest piece of beef we have to begin with; the young bull can cause havok later in the game.
Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread
Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2018 12:29 pm
by Yer Man
hermie wrote:CM11 wrote:There weren't any injuries reported. Not quite the same as saying there were no injuries! I'd have my doubts about POM in particular.
Healy looked injured, no?
Took two knocks around the head/neck area in the space of 30 seconds.
Was astonished we didn't take it off for an HIA (it was only a few minutes to HT so there was plenty of recovery opportunity).
Anyone know what happened to the Scottish backrower who went off.
He just flopped down at the side of a ruck, wrong side from the camera but right in front of the ref (so foul play unlikely).
Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread
Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2018 12:29 pm
by danthefan
Mullet 2 wrote:Amazing that our blunt attack has 3 try bonus points.
We've scored 17 tries in the tournament so far, Scotland have 7.
Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread
Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2018 12:29 pm
by Yer Man
camroc1 wrote:Willie Falloon wrote:camroc1 wrote:danthefan wrote:What do we expect for next weekend, Henderson to come back in and as you were otherwise? There were no injuries right?
I'd expect Toner to start, and for us to attack their scrum from the word go.
The commentator said that it was pretty common knowledge that Henderson was on the bench to save himself for England this week.
Not dissing Henderson at all. It's just if we attack England's set piece, we need the heaviest piece of beef we have to begin with; the young bull can cause havok later in the game.
Ryan to bench?
Lineout looked a lot sharper when Henderson came on.
Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread
Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2018 12:30 pm
by Yer Man
danthefan wrote:Mullet 2 wrote:Amazing that our blunt attack has 3 try bonus points.
We've scored 17 tries in the tournament so far,
Scotland have 7.
Even Italy have more than that.
And more tries against us.
Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread
Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2018 12:30 pm
by harry 22
I think they'll go with the same side
when we began to drop a little bit in the 2nd half, the replacements made a big difference in bringing the performance level back up. particularly hendo and murphy
tough on Henderson because he deserves to be starting, but for the good of the team this week I think they'll rely on his impact to the side after 50mins
Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread
Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2018 12:31 pm
by Mullet 2
danthefan wrote:Mullet 2 wrote:Amazing that our blunt attack has 3 try bonus points.
We've scored 17 tries in the tournament so far, Scotland have 7.
Ah would that we had Hogg etc
Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread
Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2018 12:31 pm
by danthefan
We lost two early lineouts but it was fine after that.
Plus Henderson just can't call the lineout.
Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread
Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2018 12:32 pm
by camroc1
Yer Man wrote:camroc1 wrote:Willie Falloon wrote:camroc1 wrote:danthefan wrote:What do we expect for next weekend, Henderson to come back in and as you were otherwise? There were no injuries right?
I'd expect Toner to start, and for us to attack their scrum from the word go.
The commentator said that it was pretty common knowledge that Henderson was on the bench to save himself for England this week.
Not dissing Henderson at all. It's just if we attack England's set piece, we need the heaviest piece of beef we have to begin with; the young bull can cause havok later in the game.
Ryan to bench?
Lineout looked a lot sharper when Henderson came on.
Could be. As I said Toner is there for the ballast, to begin with.
Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread
Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2018 12:34 pm
by CM11
danthefan wrote:Mullet 2 wrote:Amazing that our blunt attack has 3 try bonus points.
We've scored 17 tries in the tournament so far, Scotland have 7.
Even taking out Italy, it's 9-7 with Scotland having played an extra game.
The thing about Scotland is that just like our 'blunt' attack needing to be justified with tries scored (it has been) so does their 'fancy' attack. When do we stop giving them allowances for all the tries they should have scored and just call it as it is, that they still have a fair bit to go in terms of finishing off their chances?
Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread
Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2018 12:34 pm
by fishooks15
Not a hope Ryan benches, he's been one of our best players
Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread
Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2018 12:36 pm
by CM11
Yer Man wrote:camroc1 wrote:Willie Falloon wrote:camroc1 wrote:danthefan wrote:What do we expect for next weekend, Henderson to come back in and as you were otherwise? There were no injuries right?
I'd expect Toner to start, and for us to attack their scrum from the word go.
The commentator said that it was pretty common knowledge that Henderson was on the bench to save himself for England this week.
Not dissing Henderson at all. It's just if we attack England's set piece, we need the heaviest piece of beef we have to begin with; the young bull can cause havok later in the game.
Ryan to bench?
Lineout looked a lot sharper when Henderson came on.
Logic? Hendo came on for Toner.
Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread
Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2018 12:37 pm
by Boxcar Ira
Yer Man wrote:danthefan wrote:Mullet 2 wrote:Amazing that our blunt attack has 3 try bonus points.
We've scored 17 tries in the tournament so far,
Scotland have 7.
Even Italy have more than that.
And more tries against us.
It's not worth getting in a twist over. Our pack is comfortably better in all aspects and defensively, our backs are vastly superior. All factors contribute to us scoring more and conceding less.
I'd love us to be the bestest at everything of course.
Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread
Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2018 12:39 pm
by CM11
Boxcar Ira wrote:Yer Man wrote:danthefan wrote:Mullet 2 wrote:Amazing that our blunt attack has 3 try bonus points.
We've scored 17 tries in the tournament so far,
Scotland have 7.
Even Italy have more than that.
And more tries against us.
It's not worth getting in a twist over. Our pack is comfortably better in all aspects and defensively, our backs are vastly superior. All factors contribute to us scoring more and conceding less.
I'd love us to be the bestest at everything of course.
Well, as I said above, we did best the Scottish backs in all the relevant stats.
We don't play the ball quickly from side to side because we don't have to. Not really much more to it than that.
Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread
Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2018 12:40 pm
by fishooks15
Toner ran over someone on Saturday actually. Was pretty funny. He always manages about one really good carry a game that gets a good roar out of me
Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread
Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2018 12:43 pm
by Duff Paddy
Boxcar Ira wrote:danthefan wrote:Boxcar Ira wrote:Duff Paddy wrote:The scoreline really flattered us. - Yep. Scotland butchered one or two.
Our pack is very good, with good depth. Yep.
Leavy played well but got absolutely left for dead early in the second half - and it happened against Wales as well. Yep. But I argued it happens to all.
Ringrose was the best player on the pitch. Yep
Kearney man of the match was bizarre. Bizarre might be a stretch as he played very well but there were quite a few better
Our backs looked so blunt compared to Scotland, we really need some pace from full back. Yep - it is their strength tbf but forwards win matches and they created a much better platform for our backs.
Stockdale is a serious liability in defence, he needs to improve there. Yep - cant argue that there is room to improve surely?
Not much to argue with there
So much edge right here from the lads.
So not much to argue with.
Stop being so edgy will ya
Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread
Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2018 12:45 pm
by Boxcar Ira
CM11 wrote:Boxcar Ira wrote:Yer Man wrote:danthefan wrote:Mullet 2 wrote:Amazing that our blunt attack has 3 try bonus points.
We've scored 17 tries in the tournament so far,
Scotland have 7.
Even Italy have more than that.
And more tries against us.
It's not worth getting in a twist over. Our pack is comfortably better in all aspects and defensively, our backs are vastly superior. All factors contribute to us scoring more and conceding less.
I'd love us to be the bestest at everything of course.
Well, as I said above, we did best the Scottish backs in all the relevant stats.
We don't play the ball quickly from side to side because we don't have to. Not really much more to it than that.
Agreed. It's not the way we play. It's safe rugby but I'm happy with that if it gets us results
Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread
Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2018 12:48 pm
by Boxcar Ira
Our standards are just high, Duff.
Next step is Rank #1 in the world
Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread
Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2018 12:50 pm
by CM11
Analysis of the Jones/Hogg chance:
http://www.the42.ie/analysis-johnny-sex ... 9-Mar2018/
Just shows how important body positioning is in defence.
Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread
Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2018 12:50 pm
by Duff Paddy
ID2 wrote:Willie Falloon wrote:Floppykid wrote:Rewatching it, Ryan and Furlong are ridiculous.
For years and years Ireland really only had BOD, Ferris, Heaslip, Wallace and POC who would make an All Blacks squad.
IMHO.
McGrath
Healy
Furlong
Henderson
Ryan
Leavy
SOB
Murray
Sexton
Stockdale
Ringrose
They would all be current All Blacks. This current Irish pack is our greatest ever.
Stop putting them on a pedestal
Henderson, Ryan, Leavy, Stockdale and Ringrose would not make the All Blacks get a grip
Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread
Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2018 12:52 pm
by Duff Paddy
Boxcar Ira wrote:Our standards are just high, Duff.
Next step is Rank #1 in the world
They can’t handle the truth
Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread
Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2018 12:56 pm
by Mullet 2
The game isn't massively complicated.
offloads are a risky way to attempt to get a line break.
We can to come around the corner with a big carry, get over the gain-line, force the opposition to back peddle and then expose soft shoulders or mismatches.
It's the best way to play the game. Some would rather we were fúcking the ball behind our backs and shit. Those people are Spas.
Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread
Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2018 1:00 pm
by Boxcar Ira
Mullet 2 wrote:The game isn't massively complicated.
offloads are a risky way to attempt to get a line break.
We can to come around the corner with a big carry, get over the gain-line, force the opposition to back peddle and then expose soft shoulders or mismatches.
It's the best way to play the game. Some would rather we were fúcking the ball behind our backs and shit. Those people are Spas.
Some day there may be a team that can do both.
Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread
Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2018 1:06 pm
by hermie
Duff Paddy wrote:ID2 wrote:Willie Falloon wrote:Floppykid wrote:Rewatching it, Ryan and Furlong are ridiculous.
For years and years Ireland really only had BOD, Ferris, Heaslip, Wallace and POC who would make an All Blacks squad.
IMHO.
McGrath
Healy
Furlong
Henderson
Ryan
Leavy
SOB
Murray
Sexton
Stockdale
Ringrose
They would all be current All Blacks. This current Irish pack is our greatest ever.
Stop putting them on a pedestal
Henderson, Ryan, Leavy, Stockdale and Ringrose would not make the All Blacks get a grip
Ringrose actually might. The others wouldn't.
Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread
Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2018 1:07 pm
by Mullet 2
So you have a problem that Ireland aren't the greatest team of all time? You would have thought you'd have learned that lesson when Jim Gavin did against Donegal.
We just won the Championship at a canter lads. I'm sorry yourself and Duff haven't been entertained enough.
Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread
Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2018 1:09 pm
by Boxcar Ira
Mullet 2 wrote:So you have a problem that Ireland aren't the greatest team of all time? You would have thought you'd have learned that lesson when Jim Gavin did against Donegal.
We just won the Championship at a canter lads. I'm sorry yourself and Duff haven't been entertained enough.
Not at all. I'm delighted. 3 titles in 5 years is phenomenal. I'd just love to see them kick on now and be genuinely competitive at the world cup. I know that is weird but...
Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread
Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2018 1:10 pm
by Willie Falloon
danthefan wrote:We lost two early lineouts but it was fine after that.
Plus Henderson just can't call the lineout.
Henderson is Irelands lineout caller when he is starting. It's between himself and Toner.
Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread
Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2018 1:12 pm
by Mullet 2
Why wouldn't they be competitive at the world cup?
We've beaten South Africa, Australia, New Zealand and Argentina over the last two years?
you think we need to change our style?
Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread
Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2018 1:12 pm
by Mullet 2
Willie Falloon wrote:danthefan wrote:We lost two early lineouts but it was fine after that.
Plus Henderson just can't call the lineout.
Henderson is Irelands lineout caller when he is starting. It's between himself and Toner.
Henderson can't call a lineout to save his life.
Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread
Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2018 1:13 pm
by danthefan
Willie Falloon wrote:danthefan wrote:We lost two early lineouts but it was fine after that.
Plus Henderson just can't call the lineout.
Henderson is Irelands lineout caller when he is starting. It's between himself and Toner.
Nope he can't do it. Just not able.
Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread
Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2018 1:14 pm
by Boxcar Ira
Mullet 2 wrote:Why wouldn't they be competitive at the world cup?
We've beaten South Africa, Australia, New Zealand and Argentina over the last two years?
you think we need to change our style?
I'm still hurting after 2015 when I was
assured we were going to win
Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread
Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2018 1:17 pm
by CM11
Boxcar Ira wrote:Mullet 2 wrote:So you have a problem that Ireland aren't the greatest team of all time? You would have thought you'd have learned that lesson when Jim Gavin did against Donegal.
We just won the Championship at a canter lads. I'm sorry yourself and Duff haven't been entertained enough.
Not at all. I'm delighted. 3 titles in 5 years is phenomenal. I'd just love to see them kick on now and be genuinely competitive at the world cup. I know that is weird but...
Isn't it Duff who's said we shouldn't bother about the WC and just concentrate on what we can win? Not sure you've got an ally after all.
Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread
Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2018 1:18 pm
by Boxcar Ira
I'm an independent thinker, Stats. I just want us to be the best Team Ireland we can be.
Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread
Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2018 1:22 pm
by Mullet 2
You worry about that Dublin Hurling shambles and leave the rugger to me.
Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread
Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2018 1:26 pm
by Boxcar Ira
Mullet 2 wrote:You worry about that Dublin Hurling shambles and leave the rugger to me.
The Dubs have made a semi final in recent years. My focus is on seeing Ireland rugby do the same.
Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread
Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2018 1:27 pm
by Duff Paddy
We’re good but the top teams will see our vulnerability in broken play. Gatland reckons any team who can keep the ball in play for longer than 43minutes can beat Ireland.
Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread
Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2018 1:29 pm
by Mullet 2
Duff Paddy wrote:We’re good but the top teams will see our vulnerability in broken play. Gatland reckons any team who can keep the ball in play for longer than 43minutes can beat Ireland.
The top teams we've beaten?
What evidence do we have that Gatland isn't taking out his hoop by the way?
Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread
Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2018 1:32 pm
by Nolanator
Duff Paddy wrote:We’re good but the top teams will see our vulnerability in broken play. Gatland reckons any team who can keep the ball in play for longer than 43minutes can beat Ireland.
Schmidt called out Gatland's bullshit on that comment. The reason the ball was in play for such a short period of time was because we kept scoring against them, not because we were slowing the game down.
Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread
Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2018 1:33 pm
by irishrugbyua
The IRFU have confirmed that Cian Healy suffered a stinger but he will train fully this week.
All other players are fit and available. Ian Keatley will train with the squad again this week.
Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread
Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2018 1:33 pm
by Trostan
Diego wrote:Duff Paddy wrote:The scoreline really flattered us.
Our pack is very good, with good depth.
Leavy played well but got absolutely left for dead early in the second half - and it happened against Wales as well.
Ringrose was the best player on the pitch.
Kearney man of the match was bizarre.
Our backs looked so blunt compared to Scotland, we really need some pace from full back.
Stockdale is a serious liability in defence, he needs to improve there.
This contrarian act is getting a bit silly.
Most of the press scored Kearney with an 8 or 9 out of 10.
Seems they are all wrong (inc. the TV pundits), because a few people who probably never played, can't see DK had an excellentgame.