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Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread

Posted: Tue Apr 03, 2018 9:53 am
by anonymous_joe
unseenwork wrote:
Willie Falloon wrote:
unseenwork wrote:Seems like time for McCall to leave Saracens, get himself into a fresh but familiar environment.
:nod: :nod:

I'd welcome him back.
He'll need some sort of deep clean to get the spiv off first of course.
Erm, Saracens were pretty good. And will likely have fresher players next season without a Lions Tour. Not sure McCall's race is run yet.

Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread

Posted: Tue Apr 03, 2018 9:56 am
by earl the beaver
anonymous_joe wrote:
unseenwork wrote:
Willie Falloon wrote:
unseenwork wrote:Seems like time for McCall to leave Saracens, get himself into a fresh but familiar environment.
:nod: :nod:

I'd welcome him back.
He'll need some sort of deep clean to get the spiv off first of course.
Erm, Saracens were pretty good. And will likely have fresher players next season without a Lions Tour. Not sure McCall's race is run yet.
You might have missed the whole thing about Sarries' owners wanting out because they're losing so much money.

Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread

Posted: Tue Apr 03, 2018 9:59 am
by Yer Man
paddyor wrote:So the Saffaers want out of Saffacens.
What's the motivation?

Needing to repatriate the money to South Africa?


edit: losing money...

http://www.sarugbymag.co.za/blog/detail ... ies-shares

The South African owners of Saracens want to sell their stake in the English Premiership club.
The Times of London reported on Monday that South African businessman Johann Rupert's company Remgro, which co-owns Sarries with chairman Nigel Wray, will move on after a 10-year involvement with the Middlesex-based outfit.
Rupert, whose arrival at the club triggered its most successful period, originally invested in Saracens to provide an opportunity for South Africans wanting to play abroad and still be selected for the Springboks.
However, with the number of South Africans at the club dwindling and the club continuing to operate at a loss, Rupert has decided to cut his ties with Saracens.
The club will now be on the lookout for two new investors, one involved in property, to help with the rebuild of the Allianz Park.

Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread

Posted: Tue Apr 03, 2018 10:03 am
by Duff Paddy
Yer Man wrote:
paddyor wrote:So the Saffaers want out of Saffacens.
What's the motivation?

Needing to repatriate the money to South Africa?


edit: losing money...

http://www.sarugbymag.co.za/blog/detail ... ies-shares

The South African owners of Saracens want to sell their stake in the English Premiership club.
The Times of London reported on Monday that South African businessman Johann Rupert's company Remgro, which co-owns Sarries with chairman Nigel Wray, will move on after a 10-year involvement with the Middlesex-based outfit.
Rupert, whose arrival at the club triggered its most successful period, originally invested in Saracens to provide an opportunity for South Africans wanting to play abroad and still be selected for the Springboks.
However, with the number of South Africans at the club dwindling and the club continuing to operate at a loss, Rupert has decided to cut his ties with Saracens.
The club will now be on the lookout for two new investors, one involved in property, to help with the rebuild of the Allianz Park.
Spivs gonna spiv

Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread

Posted: Tue Apr 03, 2018 10:07 am
by anonymous_joe
They'll find somebody else vain enough to take it on.

Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread

Posted: Tue Apr 03, 2018 10:09 am
by Mullet 2
Almost like ploughing in large amounts of money to attract lads with zero loyalty isn't sustainable.

Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread

Posted: Tue Apr 03, 2018 10:11 am
by Leinsterman
Mullet 2 wrote:Almost like ploughing in large amounts of money to attract lads with zero loyalty isn't sustainable.
Almost like ploughing in large amounts of money into a sport that doesn't command huge audiences either in TV or in the stadium and has a limited worldwide appeal isn't sustainable.

Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread

Posted: Tue Apr 03, 2018 10:13 am
by Mullet 2
I like mine better

Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread

Posted: Tue Apr 03, 2018 10:14 am
by earl the beaver
Leinsterman wrote:
Mullet 2 wrote:Almost like ploughing in large amounts of money to attract lads with zero loyalty isn't sustainable.
Almost like ploughing in large amounts of money into a sport that doesn't command huge audiences either in TV or in the stadium and has a limited worldwide appeal isn't sustainable.
Aren't Toulon actually starting to pay off their debt as they have continued success and a huge fan base aligned to a significant TV deal.

Saracens are tying to match that but a) don't have the fans and b) don't have the TV deal to back up the success in the way Toulon have.

Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread

Posted: Tue Apr 03, 2018 10:16 am
by Leinsterman
earl the beaver wrote:Aren't Toulon actually starting to pay off their debt as they have continued success and a huge fan base aligned to a significant TV deal.
Let's see how many fans stick around when the squad breaks up.

Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread

Posted: Tue Apr 03, 2018 10:22 am
by earl the beaver
Leinsterman wrote:
earl the beaver wrote:Aren't Toulon actually starting to pay off their debt as they have continued success and a huge fan base aligned to a significant TV deal.
Let's see how many fans stick around when the squad breaks up.
For Toulon?

They've always had a big fan base and are a historically strong side.

Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread

Posted: Tue Apr 03, 2018 10:32 am
by boringperson12
Maybe the officials, players and fans who ran McCall out of Ulster are gone now... :nod:

Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread

Posted: Tue Apr 03, 2018 10:46 am
by Uncle Fester
Leinsterman wrote:
earl the beaver wrote:Aren't Toulon actually starting to pay off their debt as they have continued success and a huge fan base aligned to a significant TV deal.
Let's see how many fans stick around when the squad breaks up.
In fairness, Toulon had supporters before they were good.

Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread

Posted: Tue Apr 03, 2018 11:10 am
by feckwanker
I know we have two weeks of PRO 14 before the semi finals but what changes do you want to see?

Personally, if we have Earls back, I'd drop Zebo and put Conway at fullback with Earls and Sweetnam on the wings. Other than that, all same.

Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread

Posted: Tue Apr 03, 2018 11:14 am
by Yer Man
boringperson12 wrote:Maybe the officials, players and fans who ran McCall out of Ulster are gone now... :nod:
You'd think if McCall wanted to move on it would be to an International Job.
Or a French giant.

He'd have to take quite a status drop to come back into Irish Rugby and start working towards the Ireland job (post-post-Schmidt)

Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread

Posted: Tue Apr 03, 2018 11:15 am
by fishooks15
feckwanker wrote:I know we have two weeks of PRO 14 before the semi finals but what changes do you want to see?

Personally, if we have Earls back, I'd drop Zebo and put Conway at fullback with Earls and Sweetnam on the wings. Other than that, all same.
Nah Zebo still ahead of Sweetnam imo

Is Clotee going to be back ?

Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread

Posted: Tue Apr 03, 2018 11:19 am
by Diego
feckwanker wrote:I know we have two weeks of PRO 14 before the semi finals but what changes do you want to see?

Personally, if we have Earls back, I'd drop Zebo and put Conway at fullback with Earls and Sweetnam on the wings. Other than that, all same.
Kearney
Larmour
Ringrose
Nacewa
Lowe
Sexton
McGrath

Healy
Cronin
Furlong
Ryan
Fardy
Ruddock
Leavy
Conan

Tracy
McGrath
Porter
Toner
Murphy
McCarthy
Carbery
McFadden

Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread

Posted: Tue Apr 03, 2018 11:22 am
by Mullet 2
Nobody is dropping the Tone Ranger

Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread

Posted: Tue Apr 03, 2018 11:22 am
by unseenwork
I wonder how big Ulster's humiliation will be this week?

Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread

Posted: Tue Apr 03, 2018 11:24 am
by feckwanker
unseenwork wrote:I wonder how big Ulster's humiliation will be this week?
The Ospreys have hit a nice vein of form recently. You guys could be in trouble.

Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread

Posted: Tue Apr 03, 2018 11:25 am
by fishooks15
Mullet 2 wrote:Nobody is dropping the Tone Ranger

That's not very PC of you Mullet. I'm shocked and offended

Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread

Posted: Tue Apr 03, 2018 11:26 am
by unseenwork
feckwanker wrote:
unseenwork wrote:I wonder how big Ulster's humiliation will be this week?
The Ospreys have hit a nice vein of form recently. You guys could be in trouble.
They're next week no? Edinburgh this week, where we're still in trouble.

Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread

Posted: Tue Apr 03, 2018 11:26 am
by Diego
Mullet 2 wrote:Nobody is dropping the Tone Ranger
Unless you want to keep Fardy at 6 he will be out. Fardy and Ryan are Smooth Jimmy's Locks of the Week at this stage.

Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread

Posted: Tue Apr 03, 2018 11:27 am
by Mullet 2
fishooks15 wrote:
Mullet 2 wrote:Nobody is dropping the Tone Ranger

That's not very PC of you Mullet. I'm shocked and offended

That's your permanent state anyway

Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread

Posted: Tue Apr 03, 2018 11:28 am
by Mullet 2
Diego wrote:
Mullet 2 wrote:Nobody is dropping the Tone Ranger
Unless you want to keep Fardy at 6 he will be out. Fardy and Ryan are Smooth Jimmy's Locks of the Week at this stage.

Aussie showpony

it's the graft you need to subdue these Welsh types. They don't like it up em.

Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread

Posted: Tue Apr 03, 2018 11:29 am
by Diego
Mullet 2 wrote:
Diego wrote:
Mullet 2 wrote:Nobody is dropping the Tone Ranger
Unless you want to keep Fardy at 6 he will be out. Fardy and Ryan are Smooth Jimmy's Locks of the Week at this stage.

Aussie showpony

it's the graft you need to subdue these Welsh types. They don't like it up em.
Fardy and Ryan. Toner on the bench.

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Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread

Posted: Tue Apr 03, 2018 11:32 am
by feckwanker
unseenwork wrote:
feckwanker wrote:
unseenwork wrote:I wonder how big Ulster's humiliation will be this week?
The Ospreys have hit a nice vein of form recently. You guys could be in trouble.
They're next week no? Edinburgh this week, where we're still in trouble.
Ah, getting my dates mixed up. Edinburgh will be a more difficult task.

Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread

Posted: Tue Apr 03, 2018 11:36 am
by Mullet 2
No way he drops the big fella
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Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread

Posted: Tue Apr 03, 2018 11:38 am
by Yer Man
Not sure if it was summarised earlier...

B&I Cup QF's

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017%E2%8 ... -out_stage

Jersey Reds 22 - 10 Doncaster Knights
Leinster A - 17 - 6 Munster A
Bedford Blues 16 - 10 Ulster A
Ealing Trailfinders 28 - 25 Cornish Pirates

Semis:

Jersey vs Leinster A
Ealing vs Bedford

Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread

Posted: Tue Apr 03, 2018 11:39 am
by unseenwork
feckwanker wrote:
unseenwork wrote:
feckwanker wrote:
unseenwork wrote:I wonder how big Ulster's humiliation will be this week?
The Ospreys have hit a nice vein of form recently. You guys could be in trouble.
They're next week no? Edinburgh this week, where we're still in trouble.
Ah, getting my dates mixed up. Edinburgh will be a more difficult task.
We needed a good performance against Cardiff to spark things, now I've no hope, and we're just going to have the same problem again of being destroyed at the breakdown.

Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread

Posted: Tue Apr 03, 2018 11:45 am
by Diego
Yer Man wrote:Not sure if it was summarised earlier...

B&I Cup QF's

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017%E2%8 ... -out_stage

Jersey Reds 22 - 10 Doncaster Knights
Leinster A - 17 - 6 Munster A
Bedford Blues 16 - 10 Ulster A
Ealing Trailfinders 28 - 25 Cornish Pirates

Semis:

Jersey vs Leinster A
Ealing vs Bedford
Treble's on boys!

Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread

Posted: Tue Apr 03, 2018 12:11 pm
by boringperson12
feckwanker wrote:
unseenwork wrote:I wonder how big Ulster's humiliation will be this week?
The Ospreys have hit a nice vein of form recently. You guys could be in trouble.
Allan Clarke has got the Ospreys going rightly at the moment :? They will stuff us up front.

Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread

Posted: Tue Apr 03, 2018 12:14 pm
by boringperson12
EverReady wrote:I would have JGP in the match day. I can't believe McCarthy's cameo didn't get more attention. McGrath gets injured early on we are wrote off. I was an opposition coach I would fúck him up in the first 15 and start counting the cash
His box kicking really isn't good enough but he gets the ball away quickly and his service is quite good. Seems to rush his box kicks, needs to compose himself more.

Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread

Posted: Tue Apr 03, 2018 12:16 pm
by CM11
EverReady wrote:I would have JGP in the match day. I can't believe McCarthy's cameo didn't get more attention. McGrath gets injured early on we are wrote off. I was an opposition coach I would fúck him up in the first 15 and start counting the cash
Instead of Fardy or Lowe?

Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread

Posted: Tue Apr 03, 2018 12:20 pm
by hermie
CM11 wrote:
EverReady wrote:I would have JGP in the match day. I can't believe McCarthy's cameo didn't get more attention. McGrath gets injured early on we are wrote off. I was an opposition coach I would fúck him up in the first 15 and start counting the cash
Instead of Fardy or Lowe?
It's astonishing given Fardy's been possibly our best player this season but it would have to be him given the depth in the row and how important Lowe is quickly becoming. Provided McGrath's injured of course. Idiotic to drop Fardy just so JGP sits on the bench.

Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread

Posted: Tue Apr 03, 2018 12:20 pm
by camroc1
boringperson12 wrote:
EverReady wrote:I would have JGP in the match day. I can't believe McCarthy's cameo didn't get more attention. McGrath gets injured early on we are wrote off. I was an opposition coach I would fúck him up in the first 15 and start counting the cash
His box kicking really isn't good enough but he gets the ball away quickly and his service is quite good. Seems to rush his box kicks, needs to compose himself more.
He was box kicking too much, and too long when he came on. We needed to keep possession and eat up time and not kick the ball back to Saracens.

Hopefully he will learn from the review.

If Luke McGrath is fit, he will start with McCarthy on the bench, if he is not fit JGP will start.

Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread

Posted: Tue Apr 03, 2018 12:24 pm
by Van Rooj
boringperson12 wrote:Maybe the officials, players and fans who ran McCall out of Ulster are gone now... :nod:
Doubt it, it's not that long ago and Ulster is probably the biggest old boys club in rugby.

Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread

Posted: Tue Apr 03, 2018 12:25 pm
by Conspicuous
EverReady wrote:I thought he was all over the shop. Hate having a go at such a young fella but thank fudge Joey was all composure
I agree . JGP isn’t great but McCarthy isn’t the relation of a professional rugby player. It’s going to mean leaving Lowe out unfortunately but at least there’s decent cover there

Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread

Posted: Tue Apr 03, 2018 12:35 pm
by lorcanoworms
Leavy to 9, jebus I nearly typed Leamy.

Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread

Posted: Tue Apr 03, 2018 12:41 pm
by feckwanker
Scarlets won't fear coming to the Aviva. They'll try beat you out wide but Leinster's pack should probably grind them down.