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Author:  ZappaMan [ Thu Mar 08, 2018 2:08 pm ]
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That's a terrific match day squad if the leaked version is correct.

Author:  Yer Man [ Thu Mar 08, 2018 2:24 pm ]
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Sissyfuss wrote:
Leinster Lions lads,

How is Luke McGrath doing? Will he back for Saracens?

I want Lowe to play against them.

Thought Luke was gooonnee for the season?

Author:  danthefan [ Thu Mar 08, 2018 2:26 pm ]
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Yer Man wrote:
Sissyfuss wrote:
Leinster Lions lads,

How is Luke McGrath doing? Will he back for Saracens?

I want Lowe to play against them.

Thought Luke was gooonnee for the season?


Nope. Expected back for Saracens.

Author:  irishrugbyua [ Thu Mar 08, 2018 2:27 pm ]
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earl the beaver wrote:
Conan really should move to Ulster before the indignity of being overtaken by younger lads...


He has turned down a move to Ulster how many times? 2? 3?

Author:  fishooks15 [ Thu Mar 08, 2018 2:32 pm ]
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Lowe will surely play in the quarter ? He’s too good to leave out

Author:  rfurlong [ Thu Mar 08, 2018 2:47 pm ]
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irishrugbyua wrote:
earl the beaver wrote:
Conan really should move to Ulster before the indignity of being overtaken by younger lads...


He has turned down a move to Ulster how many times? 2? 3?


if Heaslip hadn't had to retire, there might have been a small argument in favour of such a move. Conan is Leinsters first choice 8 and will remain so for another 2 years at least I'd say. At that stage SOB will have retired too. Conan ain't going anywhere.

I think Leinster missed a trick not bringing Beirne home, but in Fardy we found a gem instead.

I also happen to think that Josh Murphy is going to be the best 6 we've produced in many many years

Author:  Diego [ Thu Mar 08, 2018 2:48 pm ]
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Hendo benching

Author:  iarmhiman [ Thu Mar 08, 2018 2:49 pm ]
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Hendo on the bench

Author:  earl the beaver [ Thu Mar 08, 2018 2:50 pm ]
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Some impact of the bench but Hendy has been excellent for Ulster and Ireland so think that's harsh.

Author:  Diego [ Thu Mar 08, 2018 2:50 pm ]
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rfurlong wrote:
irishrugbyua wrote:
earl the beaver wrote:
Conan really should move to Ulster before the indignity of being overtaken by younger lads...


He has turned down a move to Ulster how many times? 2? 3?


if Heaslip hadn't had to retire, there might have been a small argument in favour of such a move. Conan is Leinsters first choice 8 and will remain so for another 2 years at least I'd say. At that stage SOB will have retired too. Conan ain't going anywhere.

I think Leinster missed a trick not bringing Beirne home, but in Fardy we found a gem instead.

I also happen to think that Josh Murphy is going to be the best 6 we've produced in many many years

:lol:

You're actually unbelievable.

Author:  Brumby_in_Vic [ Thu Mar 08, 2018 2:50 pm ]
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Wallaby centre Kyle Godwin linked to a province in Ireland (Aus press won't say which one). A risky signing due to his injury profile.

Author:  Diego [ Thu Mar 08, 2018 2:50 pm ]
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earl the beaver wrote:
Some impact of the bench but Hendy has been excellent for Ulster and Ireland so think that's harsh.

Toner and Ryan have both been excellent too. I would have picked Hendo but it's close enough.

Author:  iarmhiman [ Thu Mar 08, 2018 2:51 pm ]
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earl the beaver wrote:
Some impact of the bench but Hendy has been excellent for Ulster and Ireland so think that's harsh.


I would like to have seen Hendo started as well.

Author:  DiscoHips D'Arcy [ Thu Mar 08, 2018 2:51 pm ]
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Dont begrudge Toner or Ryan their selection at all. given the scots have f**ked up our lineout on occasion theres logic in going for banker ball with Toner.

Author:  Lazy Couch potato [ Thu Mar 08, 2018 2:52 pm ]
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Didn’t someone say he was off to Connacht


Very good Irish team. Big impact off the bench aswel. Toner rewarded for a great game last time out I’d say

Author:  earl the beaver [ Thu Mar 08, 2018 2:53 pm ]
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Diego wrote:
earl the beaver wrote:
Some impact of the bench but Hendy has been excellent for Ulster and Ireland so think that's harsh.

Toner and Ryan have both been excellent too. I would have picked Hendo but it's close enough.

I don't think it is.

Hendy had a massive game against France, massive. Toner is what Toner is, and that's not Hendy.

Author:  iarmhiman [ Thu Mar 08, 2018 2:53 pm ]
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The impact off the bench particularly in the forwards is incredible

Author:  paddyor [ Thu Mar 08, 2018 2:53 pm ]
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Brumby_in_Vic wrote:
Wallaby centre Kyle Godwin linked to a province in Ireland (Aus press won't say which one). A risky signing due to his injury profile.

Connacht

Author:  Nolanator [ Thu Mar 08, 2018 2:54 pm ]
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Diego wrote:
earl the beaver wrote:
Some impact of the bench but Hendy has been excellent for Ulster and Ireland so think that's harsh.

Toner and Ryan have both been excellent too. I would have picked Hendo but it's close enough.


Hendie definitely brings more off the bench than Toner.

Author:  Ulsters Red Hand [ Thu Mar 08, 2018 2:54 pm ]
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Diego wrote:
earl the beaver wrote:
Some impact of the bench but Hendy has been excellent for Ulster and Ireland so think that's harsh.

Toner and Ryan have both been excellent too. I would have picked Hendo but it's close enough.


Not a fan of that Toner selection. Our back row is going to be tied up enough dealing with the Scottish back row, so my logic would be to get as many carriers on the pitch as possible, and Hendo does that better than Toner does. Though I suppose Joe probably will be seeing Healy and Furlong as our primary carriers

Though in fairness there is also value in Hendo off the bench

Author:  harry 22 [ Thu Mar 08, 2018 2:56 pm ]
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don't think its any reflection on Hendo who's obviously vastly superior

I think they're planning on keeping this tight for the 1st hour, scrum and lineout them to death

Author:  irishrugbyua [ Thu Mar 08, 2018 2:56 pm ]
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Diego wrote:
rfurlong wrote:
irishrugbyua wrote:
earl the beaver wrote:
Conan really should move to Ulster before the indignity of being overtaken by younger lads...


He has turned down a move to Ulster how many times? 2? 3?


if Heaslip hadn't had to retire, there might have been a small argument in favour of such a move. Conan is Leinsters first choice 8 and will remain so for another 2 years at least I'd say. At that stage SOB will have retired too. Conan ain't going anywhere.

I think Leinster missed a trick not bringing Beirne home, but in Fardy we found a gem instead.

I also happen to think that Josh Murphy is going to be the best 6 we've produced in many many years

:lol:

You're actually unbelievable.


Yeah, Josh will be a decent 6 but don't see him being top class.

Beirne a much better 6.

Author:  Diego [ Thu Mar 08, 2018 2:57 pm ]
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earl the beaver wrote:
Diego wrote:
earl the beaver wrote:
Some impact of the bench but Hendy has been excellent for Ulster and Ireland so think that's harsh.

Toner and Ryan have both been excellent too. I would have picked Hendo but it's close enough.

I don't think it is.

Hendy had a massive game against France, massive. Toner is what Toner is, and that's not Hendy.

Toner had a massive game against Wales, massive. Hendy is what Hendy is, and that's not Toner.

Author:  Bwen [ Thu Mar 08, 2018 2:59 pm ]
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Would prefer Hendo to start but really think this is Schmidt flexing the muscles on his new found strength in depth. It's the complete opposite of the EOS years where the first 15 were guaranteed places. McFadden/Conan dropped from the bench due to non-performances the last day and Toner rewarded for a top quality performance. This approach to selection can only mean higher levels of consistency and performance into the years ahead.

Author:  paddyor [ Thu Mar 08, 2018 3:00 pm ]
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Lazy Couch potato wrote:
Didn’t someone say he was off to Connacht


Very good Irish team. Big impact off the bench aswel. Toner rewarded for a great game last time out I’d say

I think Toner is better in the maul and he's better at changing the point of attack as well. Scots were very effective at slowing any English momentum there.

Author:  Jumper [ Thu Mar 08, 2018 3:00 pm ]
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A Toner/Ryan pairing might have a better balance to a Henderson/Ryan one, but its still disappointing to see Henderson unable to nail down his starting berth. He's now 26 and is yet to become the top-class international that we all know he can be.

Author:  Diego [ Thu Mar 08, 2018 3:00 pm ]
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Anyway, it's really Ryan who has been picked over Henderson.

Author:  CM11 [ Thu Mar 08, 2018 3:00 pm ]
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I'm sure it's just a call made based on injury and with next week in mind too.

Author:  CM11 [ Thu Mar 08, 2018 3:00 pm ]
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Diego wrote:
Anyway, it's really Ryan who has been picked over Henderson.


Is it? French selection suggests otherwise.

Author:  Diego [ Thu Mar 08, 2018 3:04 pm ]
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CM11 wrote:
Diego wrote:
Anyway, it's really Ryan who has been picked over Henderson.


Is it? French selection suggests otherwise.

Schmidt decided he wanted Toner in the team, so had the choice to keep one of the two athletic, carrying locks and chose Ryan.

I don't know if that's logical or not looking at it again :uhoh:

Author:  earl the beaver [ Thu Mar 08, 2018 3:05 pm ]
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Jumper wrote:
A Toner/Ryan pairing might have a better balance to a Henderson/Ryan one, but its still disappointing to see Henderson unable to nail down his starting berth. He's now 26 and is yet to become the top-class international that we all know he can be.

Apart from you know, continually putting in top class international performances.

Author:  earl the beaver [ Thu Mar 08, 2018 3:06 pm ]
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paddyor wrote:
Lazy Couch potato wrote:
Didn’t someone say he was off to Connacht


Very good Irish team. Big impact off the bench aswel. Toner rewarded for a great game last time out I’d say

I think Toner is better in the maul and he's better at changing the point of attack as well. Scots were very effective at slowing any English momentum there.

Changing the point in attack through handling?

Better than the player with the most try assists on the 2017 Lions tour?

Author:  unseenwork [ Thu Mar 08, 2018 3:12 pm ]
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I can understand Henderson being on the bench if he's still only at 95% after the injury.

Author:  DiscoHips D'Arcy [ Thu Mar 08, 2018 3:16 pm ]
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earl the beaver wrote:
Jumper wrote:
A Toner/Ryan pairing might have a better balance to a Henderson/Ryan one, but its still disappointing to see Henderson unable to nail down his starting berth. He's now 26 and is yet to become the top-class international that we all know he can be.

Apart from you know, continually putting in top class international performances.



Its jumper ffs

Author:  Conspicuous [ Thu Mar 08, 2018 3:16 pm ]
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Think I would have gone for Henderson and Toner for this one but fair play to Joe for putting so much faith in Ryan. Huge impact on that Irish bench :thumbup:

Author:  paddyor [ Thu Mar 08, 2018 3:23 pm ]
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earl the beaver wrote:
paddyor wrote:
Lazy Couch potato wrote:
Didn’t someone say he was off to Connacht


Very good Irish team. Big impact off the bench aswel. Toner rewarded for a great game last time out I’d say

I think Toner is better in the maul and he's better at changing the point of attack as well. Scots were very effective at slowing any English momentum there.

Changing the point in attack through handling?

Better than the player with the most try assists on the 2017 Lions tour?

At the line-out. JFC earl.

Author:  paddyor [ Thu Mar 08, 2018 3:23 pm ]
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DiscoHips D'Arcy wrote:
earl the beaver wrote:
Jumper wrote:
A Toner/Ryan pairing might have a better balance to a Henderson/Ryan one, but its still disappointing to see Henderson unable to nail down his starting berth. He's now 26 and is yet to become the top-class international that we all know he can be.

Apart from you know, continually putting in top class international performances.



Its jumper ffs

Yep

Author:  danthefan [ Thu Mar 08, 2018 3:26 pm ]
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Fantastic squad :thumbup:

It's unreal we can be that strong on paper with all the injuries we have at the moment.

Author:  Jim Lahey [ Thu Mar 08, 2018 3:31 pm ]
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Brumby_in_Vic wrote:
Wallaby centre Kyle Godwin linked to a province in Ireland (Aus press won't say which one). A risky signing due to his injury profile.


Ulster then so :thumbup:

Author:  Uncle Fester [ Thu Mar 08, 2018 3:33 pm ]
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unseenwork wrote:
I can understand Henderson being on the bench if he's still only at 95% after the injury.

That's kind of my thinking too. If he had to pull out at short notice, at least we're not rejigging the starting lineup.

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