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Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread

Posted: Tue Apr 03, 2018 8:09 pm
by Leinsterman
:lol: Oops, didn't go back enough pages

Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread

Posted: Tue Apr 03, 2018 8:27 pm
by Onelostbear
YOYO wrote:
Flametop wrote:How many seasons will Leavy last?

Image

http://www.the42.ie/dan-leavy-leinster- ... 3-Apr2018/
Didn’t he say on the Sky Sports after match interview that his friends call him quasimodo due to the constant war wounds to his face. :lol:
the scar under his eye is not rugby related

Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread

Posted: Tue Apr 03, 2018 8:28 pm
by paddyor
Do tell.

Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread

Posted: Tue Apr 03, 2018 8:29 pm
by Onelostbear
may not be true but heard he got punched whilst in Donegal over a girl

Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread

Posted: Tue Apr 03, 2018 8:36 pm
by JoeMangled
on Gilroy, maybe he was just being an edgelord. Maybe he was calling the lads sluts.

This all feels a bit iffy.

Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread

Posted: Tue Apr 03, 2018 8:39 pm
by danthefan
Onelostbear wrote:may not be true but heard he got punched whilst in Donegal over a girl
I would not much care to punch Dan Leavy in the face I must say.

Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread

Posted: Tue Apr 03, 2018 8:45 pm
by DiscoHips D'Arcy
JoeMangled wrote:on Gilroy, maybe he was just being an edgelord. Maybe he was calling the lads sluts.

This all feels a bit iffy.
Adam D'arcy getting dragged in by the hate mob ffs. Poor fucker probably thought being on the other side of the world might spare him. And the fact his initials dont match anyone in the group.

Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread

Posted: Tue Apr 03, 2018 8:46 pm
by Adetroy
If the IRFU Have any sense they will drag out this review for all its worth. There really is a Twitter mob mentality abroad and they need to be very careful. They really are between a rock and a hard place. Come down too hard and It might look like a Dublin media fuelled response sticking it to some proud sons of Ulster, which would go down badly with the Ulster rugby establishment. On the other hand Not handing out substantial sanctions for bringing the game into disrepute despite the fact the knowledge only came out through a criminal trial, would do immense damage to rugbys brand particularly in the south. I have a feeling that we are about to see a rejigging of any future contracts with players about the use of social media no matter how private it’s use.

Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread

Posted: Tue Apr 03, 2018 8:49 pm
by Gauss
Best thing they could do is announce the results a few days before the abortion referendum. All the usual suspects should be occupied.

Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread

Posted: Tue Apr 03, 2018 8:50 pm
by DiscoHips D'Arcy
Adetroy wrote:If the IRFU Have any sense they will drag out this review for all its worth. There really is a Twitter mob mentality abroad and they need to be very careful. They really are between a rock and a hard place. Come down too hard and It might look like a Dublin media fuelled response sticking it to some proud sons of Ulster, which would go down badly with the Ulster rugby establishment. On the other hand Not handing out substantial sanctions for bringing the game into disrepute despite the fact the knowledge only came out through a criminal trial, would do immense damage to rugbys brand particularly in the south. I have a feeling that we are about to see a rejigging of any future contracts with players about the use of social media no matter how private it’s use.
The definition of social media is important too. Does whatsapp come under that broad term? I dont think the Ulster rugby establishment would revolt. The issue is as i see it, the blow ins will be less likely to renew season tickets based on whats happening on the pitch. You then look at die hards that populate that UAFC forum who may renew but claim they wont if the players aren't brought back. It would be interesting to see where renewals are sitting at the moment.

Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread

Posted: Tue Apr 03, 2018 8:51 pm
by earl the beaver
Adetroy wrote:If the IRFU Have any sense they will drag out this review for all its worth. There really is a Twitter mob mentality abroad and they need to be very careful. They really are between a rock and a hard place. Come down too hard and It might look like a Dublin media fuelled response sticking it to some proud sons of Ulster, which would go down badly with the Ulster rugby establishment. On the other hand Not handing out substantial sanctions for bringing the game into disrepute despite the fact the knowledge only came out through a criminal trial, would do immense damage to rugbys brand particularly in the south. I have a feeling that we are about to see a rejigging of any future contracts with players about the use of social media no matter how private it’s use.
WhatsApp is not social media.

And how long exactly should they drag it out? Jackson and Olding have been found unanimously not guilty in a court of law where there is a presumption of innocence.

They have already missed nearly a year of rugby and there is a very real chance that without them Ulster will miss out on the Heineken Cup for the first time in history. Add inthe suspension of Gilroy? They'd alienate a huge fan base.

Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread

Posted: Tue Apr 03, 2018 8:52 pm
by Van Rooj
Leinsterman wrote:
In other news, apparently Gilroy had been stood down from Ulster duties pending an investigation.

So I believe. In all honestly I hope Edinburgh take them to a record defeat.

Clearout needed and none of the departures were in that whatsapp group.

Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread

Posted: Tue Apr 03, 2018 8:53 pm
by unseenwork
I would like to see some young lads get a chance against Edinburgh and a performance with a bit of iron in it.

Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread

Posted: Tue Apr 03, 2018 8:56 pm
by Adetroy
earl the beaver wrote:
Adetroy wrote:If the IRFU Have any sense they will drag out this review for all its worth. There really is a Twitter mob mentality abroad and they need to be very careful. They really are between a rock and a hard place. Come down too hard and It might look like a Dublin media fuelled response sticking it to some proud sons of Ulster, which would go down badly with the Ulster rugby establishment. On the other hand Not handing out substantial sanctions for bringing the game into disrepute despite the fact the knowledge only came out through a criminal trial, would do immense damage to rugbys brand particularly in the south. I have a feeling that we are about to see a rejigging of any future contracts with players about the use of social media no matter how private it’s use.
WhatsApp is not social media.

And how long exactly should they drag it out? Jackson and Olding have been found unanimously not guilty in a court of law where there is a presumption of innocence.

They have already missed nearly a year of rugby and there is a very real chance that without them Ulster will miss out on the Heineken Cup for the first time in history. Add inthe suspension of Gilroy? They'd alienate a huge fan base.
There is a hell of a difference between the standards required in a criminal trial and the expectations for employees and employers. If we applied the standards of criminal justice to the workplace no one will ever get sacked for incompetence or disreputable behaviour. The harsh reality is, the bar is much lower when it comes to employee law and that is how it should be, Especially now that we live in a world in which image rights are bought and paid for.

Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread

Posted: Tue Apr 03, 2018 8:59 pm
by earl the beaver
Adetroy wrote:
earl the beaver wrote:
Adetroy wrote:If the IRFU Have any sense they will drag out this review for all its worth. There really is a Twitter mob mentality abroad and they need to be very careful. They really are between a rock and a hard place. Come down too hard and It might look like a Dublin media fuelled response sticking it to some proud sons of Ulster, which would go down badly with the Ulster rugby establishment. On the other hand Not handing out substantial sanctions for bringing the game into disrepute despite the fact the knowledge only came out through a criminal trial, would do immense damage to rugbys brand particularly in the south. I have a feeling that we are about to see a rejigging of any future contracts with players about the use of social media no matter how private it’s use.
WhatsApp is not social media.

And how long exactly should they drag it out? Jackson and Olding have been found unanimously not guilty in a court of law where there is a presumption of innocence.

They have already missed nearly a year of rugby and there is a very real chance that without them Ulster will miss out on the Heineken Cup for the first time in history. Add inthe suspension of Gilroy? They'd alienate a huge fan base.
There is a hell of a difference between the standards required in a criminal trial and the expectations for employees and employers. If we applied the standards of criminal justice to the workplace no one will ever get sacked for incompetence or disreputable behaviour. The harsh reality is, the bar is much lower when it comes to employee law and that is how it should be, Especially now that we live in a world in which image rights are bought and paid for.
Well no, employment law is very stringent. Look at the link above.

Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread

Posted: Tue Apr 03, 2018 9:04 pm
by Adetroy
earl the beaver wrote:
Adetroy wrote:
earl the beaver wrote:
Adetroy wrote:If the IRFU Have any sense they will drag out this review for all its worth. There really is a Twitter mob mentality abroad and they need to be very careful. They really are between a rock and a hard place. Come down too hard and It might look like a Dublin media fuelled response sticking it to some proud sons of Ulster, which would go down badly with the Ulster rugby establishment. On the other hand Not handing out substantial sanctions for bringing the game into disrepute despite the fact the knowledge only came out through a criminal trial, would do immense damage to rugbys brand particularly in the south. I have a feeling that we are about to see a rejigging of any future contracts with players about the use of social media no matter how private it’s use.
WhatsApp is not social media.

And how long exactly should they drag it out? Jackson and Olding have been found unanimously not guilty in a court of law where there is a presumption of innocence.

They have already missed nearly a year of rugby and there is a very real chance that without them Ulster will miss out on the Heineken Cup for the first time in history. Add inthe suspension of Gilroy? They'd alienate a huge fan base.
There is a hell of a difference between the standards required in a criminal trial and the expectations for employees and employers. If we applied the standards of criminal justice to the workplace no one will ever get sacked for incompetence or disreputable behaviour. The harsh reality is, the bar is much lower when it comes to employee law and that is how it should be, Especially now that we live in a world in which image rights are bought and paid for.
Well no, employment law is very stringent. Look at the link above.
I did not suggest that employment law was not very stringent merely that the standards between criminal justice and employment law are substantially different. Above all else there is no presumption of innocence.

Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread

Posted: Tue Apr 03, 2018 9:06 pm
by unseenwork
Oh wow, the u19s smashed France 46-17. Azur Allison scored two tries. :thumbup:

http://www.irishrugby.ie/rugby/fixtures ... /41750.php

Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread

Posted: Tue Apr 03, 2018 9:23 pm
by earl the beaver
Adetroy wrote:
earl the beaver wrote:
Adetroy wrote:
earl the beaver wrote:
Adetroy wrote:If the IRFU Have any sense they will drag out this review for all its worth. There really is a Twitter mob mentality abroad and they need to be very careful. They really are between a rock and a hard place. Come down too hard and It might look like a Dublin media fuelled response sticking it to some proud sons of Ulster, which would go down badly with the Ulster rugby establishment. On the other hand Not handing out substantial sanctions for bringing the game into disrepute despite the fact the knowledge only came out through a criminal trial, would do immense damage to rugbys brand particularly in the south. I have a feeling that we are about to see a rejigging of any future contracts with players about the use of social media no matter how private it’s use.
WhatsApp is not social media.

And how long exactly should they drag it out? Jackson and Olding have been found unanimously not guilty in a court of law where there is a presumption of innocence.

They have already missed nearly a year of rugby and there is a very real chance that without them Ulster will miss out on the Heineken Cup for the first time in history. Add inthe suspension of Gilroy? They'd alienate a huge fan base.
There is a hell of a difference between the standards required in a criminal trial and the expectations for employees and employers. If we applied the standards of criminal justice to the workplace no one will ever get sacked for incompetence or disreputable behaviour. The harsh reality is, the bar is much lower when it comes to employee law and that is how it should be, Especially now that we live in a world in which image rights are bought and paid for.
Well no, employment law is very stringent. Look at the link above.
I did not suggest that employment law was not very stringent merely that the standards between criminal justice and employment law are substantially different. Above all else there is no presumption of innocence.
It is a trial that should never have made court once the witness wasn't backing the prosecution.

Due to private messages produced at the trial Ulster are now down 3 players, including one who wasn't involved in the court case. The fact that the messages were private is keyd for any action by the IRFU, anything relating to that is incredibly dodgy and they would be wide open to legal action.

How far can they go? Can they demand access to every player's text, WhatsApp and Facebook messenger? Emails? Confidential discussions with agents?

Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread

Posted: Tue Apr 03, 2018 9:26 pm
by danthefan
Onelostbear wrote:
YOYO wrote:
Flametop wrote:How many seasons will Leavy last?

Image

http://www.the42.ie/dan-leavy-leinster- ... 3-Apr2018/
Didn’t he say on the Sky Sports after match interview that his friends call him quasimodo due to the constant war wounds to his face. :lol:
the scar under his eye is not rugby related
Good and proper shiner now.

Image

Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread

Posted: Tue Apr 03, 2018 9:31 pm
by Van Rooj
There's going to be a protest at Ravenhill on the thirteenth apparently.
Be nice to them fellas. As nice as you can be.

Extend them every courtesy because we love them.

Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread

Posted: Tue Apr 03, 2018 9:34 pm
by Willie Falloon
unseenwork wrote:Oh wow, the u19s smashed France 46-17. Azur Allison scored two tries. :thumbup:

http://www.irishrugby.ie/rugby/fixtures ... /41750.php
Wasn't expecting that at all. 4 or 5 Ulster boys starting as well.

Also, 4 out of the 5 tries scored by Ulster prospects. :nod: :nod:

This fella Allison is hopefully good.

Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread

Posted: Tue Apr 03, 2018 9:36 pm
by JoeMangled
Gilroy story running as a front page article on the Irish Times, Independent and Breaking News.

Brilliant.

Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread

Posted: Tue Apr 03, 2018 9:38 pm
by Willie Falloon
Van Rooj wrote:There's going to be a protest at Ravenhill on the thirteenth apparently.
Be nice to them fellas. As nice as you can be.

Extend them every courtesy because we love them.
Good luck to them. A bunch of protestors, mostly from Belfast west and Dublin walking into East/South Belfast waving their shite.

Brave people indeed, someone tell them not to bring tricolours with #IBeleiveHer on it. :uhoh:

I can tell you now, if they are standing in front of me on the footpath, shouting their dung, invading my space and waving a tricolour, they will be heading, headfirst into the nearest hedge.

Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread

Posted: Tue Apr 03, 2018 9:39 pm
by Willie Falloon
JoeMangled wrote:Gilroy story running as a front page article on the Irish Times, Independent and Breaking News.

Brilliant.
IRFU brought this on themselves, he shouldn't have been in the squad yesterday and it wouldn't need to have been announced today.

Those wit kant are only out to sell papers.

Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread

Posted: Tue Apr 03, 2018 9:39 pm
by unseenwork
Willie Falloon wrote:
Van Rooj wrote:There's going to be a protest at Ravenhill on the thirteenth apparently.
Be nice to them fellas. As nice as you can be.

Extend them every courtesy because we love them.
Good luck to them. A bunch of protestors, mostly from Belfast west and Dublin walking into East/South Belfast waving their shite.

Brave people indeed, someone tell them not to bring tricolours with #IBeleiveHer on it. :uhoh:
Bit more trade on the Ormeau hopefully! :thumbup:

Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread

Posted: Tue Apr 03, 2018 9:48 pm
by Jim Lahey
All the talk of these spackers protesting is actually making me a bit more excited going to the game, rather than depressed at the thought of watching another turd sandwich served up on the pitch by Ulster Rugby :thumbup:

Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread

Posted: Tue Apr 03, 2018 9:51 pm
by Lenny
I can just picture Willie typing furiously on his laptop in his full Orange Order regalia. This episiside has brought out his inner paranoid bigot.. :lol:

Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread

Posted: Tue Apr 03, 2018 9:51 pm
by HighKingLeinster
Willie Falloon wrote:
Van Rooj wrote:There's going to be a protest at Ravenhill on the thirteenth apparently.
Be nice to them fellas. As nice as you can be.

Extend them every courtesy because we love them.
Good luck to them. A bunch of protestors, mostly from Belfast west and Dublin walking into East/South Belfast waving their shite.

Brave people indeed, someone tell them not to bring tricolours with #IBeleiveHer on it. :uhoh:

I can tell you now, if they are standing in front of me on the footpath, shouting their dung, invading my space and waving a tricolour, they will be heading, headfirst into the nearest hedge.
Internet hardman alert. Lets face it willie one of our angry southern bull dykes would kick the living snot out of you

Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread

Posted: Tue Apr 03, 2018 9:58 pm
by Van Rooj
HighKingLeinster wrote: Internet hardman alert. Lets face it willie one of our angry southern bull dykes would kick the living snot out of you
Again though, he has a point. If they show up at the main (Mt. Merrion) gate and don't have their local credentials in order, they're quite likely to get f**ked over. Hard.

People get their cars totalled for parking there... What do you think is going to happen to left leaning protest groups?
Not supporting the position, just pointing out where Ravenhill is.

Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread

Posted: Tue Apr 03, 2018 10:04 pm
by Willie Falloon
Van Rooj wrote:
HighKingLeinster wrote: Internet hardman alert. Lets face it willie one of our angry southern bull dykes would kick the living snot out of you
Again though, he has a point. If they show up at the main (Mt. Merrion) gate and don't have their local credentials in order, they're quite likely to get f**ked over. Hard.

People get their cars totalled for parking there... What do you think is going to happen to left leaning protest groups?
Not supporting the position, just pointing out where Ravenhill is.
I'm not trying to be an internet hardman.

Not sure what HighKingLeinster is getting at, if the biys realise a bunch of protesters from West Belfast or Dublin is walking up Craigy road, dear knows what happens. In case he doesn't realise, I park my vehicle over towards the Castlereagh hills, a staunch Unionist heartland, to get to Ravenhill I have to walk through a very loyalist area, with UVF and UDA murals plastered everywhere.


The protestors mightn't get very far, if they choose the wrong route. :lol: :lol:

Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread

Posted: Tue Apr 03, 2018 10:20 pm
by DiscoHips D'Arcy
Willie i think thats a load of absolute ballix

Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread

Posted: Tue Apr 03, 2018 10:23 pm
by Willie Falloon
DiscoHips D'Arcy wrote:Willie i think thats a load of absolute ballix
Which part?

There are a bunch of wee bastids in that estate.

Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread

Posted: Tue Apr 03, 2018 10:24 pm
by Teenage_hooker
YOYO wrote:
Flametop wrote:How many seasons will Leavy last?

Image

http://www.the42.ie/dan-leavy-leinster- ... 3-Apr2018/
Didn’t he say on the Sky Sports after match interview that his friends call him quasimodo due to the constant war wounds to his face. :lol:
I was thinking more the 'hey you guys' character from the Goonies

Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread

Posted: Tue Apr 03, 2018 10:25 pm
by unseenwork
DiscoHips D'Arcy wrote:Willie i think thats a load of absolute ballix
Cregagh's near gentrified these days I tell you.

Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread

Posted: Tue Apr 03, 2018 10:27 pm
by Winnie
Willie Falloon wrote:
DiscoHips D'Arcy wrote:Willie i think thats a load of absolute ballix
Which part?

There are a bunch of wee bastids in that estate.
Calm your jets young William
All Ulster fans should get a new team shirt with Jackson 69 printed on it
Be a lover not a fighter

Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread

Posted: Tue Apr 03, 2018 10:28 pm
by unseenwork
They can head out there, chippy from the Bethany, ice cream from Fuscos, protest, then a march down to the Errigle. Grand day out I'd say.

Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread

Posted: Tue Apr 03, 2018 10:31 pm
by Willie Falloon
Winnie wrote:
Willie Falloon wrote:
DiscoHips D'Arcy wrote:Willie i think thats a load of absolute ballix
Which part?

There are a bunch of wee bastids in that estate.
Calm your jets young William
All Ulster fans should get a new team shirt with Jackson 69 printed on it
Be a lover not a fighter
Wonder how many turn up, looking at twitter there now, the #suemepaddy and #IbelieveHer nonsense seems to have died down fairly quickly, still the odd one, but nothing like last Thursday/Friday.

It's a week tomorrow since the verdict was read out. Already!!!

Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread

Posted: Tue Apr 03, 2018 10:33 pm
by Winnie
Willie Falloon wrote:
Winnie wrote:
Willie Falloon wrote:
DiscoHips D'Arcy wrote:Willie i think thats a load of absolute ballix
Which part?

There are a bunch of wee bastids in that estate.
Calm your jets young William
All Ulster fans should get a new team shirt with Jackson 69 printed on it
Be a lover not a fighter
Wonder how many turn up, looking at twitter there now, the #suemepaddy and #IbelieveHer nonsense seems to have died down fairly quickly, still the odd one, but nothing like last Thursday/Friday.

It's a week tomorrow since the verdict was read out. Already!!!
If its raining there will be bugger all there
In this era of 24 hour news a week is an age, there is ao much more to be offended about over that peiod of time

Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread

Posted: Tue Apr 03, 2018 10:35 pm
by Bullettyme
earl the beaver wrote: How far can they go? Can they demand access to every player's text, WhatsApp and Facebook messenger? Emails? Confidential discussions with agents?
If you're discussing work via a certain messaging app (which Gilroy, Olding and Jackson may have done), your employer is entitled to any conversations or something like that. There was an EU ruling on it a few years ago I believe.

What's happening with Gilroy is a bit unbelievable. It's a bit mad.

Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread

Posted: Tue Apr 03, 2018 10:36 pm
by iarmhiman
I think I'll head up and protest for the craic. I'll bring a celtic jersey and a tri-colour with #ibelieveher on it and sing "Celtic Symphony" and "Boys of the old Brigade" all the way down Mount Merrion Avenue to the stadium. That will show them. You coming HKL?