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PostPosted: Wed Apr 18, 2018 9:26 am 
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Looking at the seat map, at a guess we're about 3000 shy of a sellout.

Won't be noticed that much at the stadium.

They should take a rake of those tickets and give them away free via one sort of competition or another (or to kids).


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Funny how much the comp has gone to shit on the business side with all these business fellas now calling the shots.


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Funny how much the comp has gone to shit on the business side with all these business fellas now calling the shots.


You mean that the people that run their clubs at a loss year in year out aren't exactly the best at running sports comps? Colour me surprised.


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They seem convinced that the English will suddenly wake up one day and love rugby as much as football. They clearly want to run clubs at a loss and have TV money save the day.


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Risteard wrote:
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Funny how much the comp has gone to shit on the business side with all these business fellas now calling the shots.


You mean that the people that run their clubs at a loss year in year out aren't exactly the best at running sports comps? Colour me surprised.



It's a real head scratcher alright


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I won't be able to go but you can get some tickets for €40 for the match, but paying over €60 for anything in the top tier is a no for me dog. And paying anything over €70 is also a no.


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Could we play the P14 semi at Lansdowne this year? Would be a great opportunity to have tickets from €10-€30 :nod:


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PostPosted: Wed Apr 18, 2018 10:19 am 
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Thornley made the point yesterday about how important the Irish teams, and supporters are to the entire spiv european operation.

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Gerry Thornley: The Irish home and away are good for Europe
They turn up in big numbers, as this weekend’s Champions Cup semi-finals will show
Tue, Apr 17, 2018, 06:00

Gerry Thornley

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Munster hosted Saracens in Dublin and Clermont were at home to Leinster in Lyon in last year’s Champion Cup semi-finals, when more than 91,000 attended the two games. Photograph: Dan Sheridan/Inpho

Following on from the failure of any Irish side to reach the quarter-finals of the Champions Cup two seasons ago, at last season’s launch tournament organisers made no bones about expressing their desire to have them dining at European rugby’s top table again. They weren’t kidding, and with good reason.

The Irish are good for the European Cup. They provide colour. They turn up, both at home and away games, in the biggest numbers, with their only real rival being Clermont Auvergne. The tournament has, relatively speaking, a bigger cache for Irish sports fans. The media coverage is altogether more intense.

Without any Irish presence, the total attendance for the two semi-finals in the 2015-16 season – Saracens v Wasps in the Madejski Stadium in Reading and Leicester v Racing in the City Ground in Nottingham – was 38,968. It was the lowest aggregate attendance for the semi-finals since the 2006-07 season – not co-incidentally, the previous occasion when there were no Irish sides in the semi-finals.

The total for the four quarter-finals two seasons ago was around 68,000, compared to 89,000 the year before when the Leinster-Bath quarter-final at the Aviva Stadium accounted for almost half that tally. Last season, with Leinster and Munster back in the quarter-finals, their two ties attracted crowds of 76,000-plus, thus swelling the aggregate total over the four games to 110,000. There was a similar hike in the semi-finals when Munster hosted Saracens in Dublin and Clermont were at home to Leinster in Lyon, when over 91,000 attended the two games, up from that modest tally of under 39,000 the previous year.

Gate receipts
Another reason for the organisers’ relief at having Irish teams back in the knock-out stages is that, unlike the quarter-finals, the EPCR keep all the gate receipts from the semi-finals. With 45,000 tickets sold for Saturday’s semi-final in the Aviva between Leinster and the Scarlets, it is on course for being a 50,000-plus sell-out. This never happens anywhere else.


Strictly speaking, the semi-finals are EPCR’s to market and sell as well, but Leinster’s ability to shift 30,000 or so tickets through their own supporters, clubs, sponsors and so forth, gave Saturday’s match a significant push. Now, with a near sell-out, EPCR should pocket something in the region of €2 million in gate receipts. No wonder they like having the Irish dining again at the top table.


Indeed, it is one of the ironies of this weekend’s semi-finals that not only will Munster bring more support to their semi-final against Racing 92 in Bordeaux, but so too the Scarlets will bring a bigger travelling support to Dublin than the Parisian club will on Sunday. In other words, the team with the least support in the semi-finals will be the sole French team, which are playing in France.

Why is it that the Irish have a greater affinity with the European Cup, be it in its previous guise as the Heineken Cup or as the Champions Cup, than the English or French?

That the Heineken Cup has been around longer than the Pro14 is assuredly a major factor. Previously the Celtic League, Magners League, RaboDirect League and Guinness Pro12, the Pro14 has had an ever-changing, troubled and lesser history. Remember, there were nine Welsh sides in its inaugural season of the League in 2001-02, which was salvaged by a final between Leinster and Munster at the old Lansdowne Road. By contrast, the European Cup came into existence six seasons previously.

Furthermore, the Premiership has been on the go since the 1987-88 season, making it nine years older than the European Cup, and 15 years older than the Pro14.

French rugby psyche
However, the Top 14 has a history and tradition which not even the Premiership can buy, much less the Pro14 or for that matter the European Cup. The first final of the French Championship dates all the way back to 1892. Save for five years during the first World War, and three during the second World War, French clubs have been competing for the cherished Bouclier de Brennus ever since 1892.

There have been some bleatings from across the water about Leinster playing the semi-final in the Aviva Stadium
When Trevor Brennan joined Toulouse in 2002, famously he was given an understanding of the bouclier’s importance in the French rugby psyche by team-mate Christian Labit. After winning the bouclier in 2001 with Toulouse, Labit had been given permission to borrow the vast shield for a couple of days, and wrapped it in rugs in his car boot. He drove to Toulon, where his father, an ex-sailor, lived. He brought his father out to the car, opened the bonnet and unfurled the rugs. A few tears streamed down his father’s face. It was, said Labit, the first time he had seen his father cry.

Nope, nothing can buy that, and it’s safe to say that it will be a very long time, if ever, that any other rugby trophy in Europe can match that kind of mystique. Still, the European Cup is getting there, and in the Irish psyche – outside of the Test arena – it is pre-eminent.

As an aside, there have been some bleatings from across the water about Leinster playing Saturday’s semi-final in the Aviva Stadium, and yes, it means they have home city as well as home country advantage.

But this was true of Toulouse when they hosted Perpignan in 2003 and Leinster in 2010 in the Stade Municipal, and of Leicester when they were at home to the Scarlets at the Walkers Stadium in 2007 and of Cardiff when they hosted Leicester at the Millennium Stadium in 2009; the same year Munster “hosted” Leinster in Croke Park and 82,208, so ensuring a record 126,420 at the two semi-finals. Not entirely dissimilarly, Saracens (three times) have hosted semi-finals in London, as did London Irish once.


Lansdowne Road/Aviva Stadium is where Ulster and Munster have hosted semi-finals too. Eh, there’s nowhere else, and at least the stadium will be full!

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 18, 2018 10:28 am 
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On the subject of tickets for Saturday, my mate has just told me he can't go due to illness.

I have a spare Premium level ticket on about the 22 in the West stand, if anyone wants to go.
€90 and the pleasure of my company.


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PostPosted: Wed Apr 18, 2018 10:28 am 
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Captain Average wrote:
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The Sun God wrote:
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Paddy Power have Leinster 11 points favourites and Racing up by 3.

I think they are about right.


I think the Leinster margin is about right but I fancy Munster to take Racing.


supposedly Earls and Cronin raring to go.....on the downside Drunken Duncan also fit


How on earth is that a downside? Have you seen how bad Hart is? I'd take Drunken on the bench over him every day of the week.


agree re Hart - I'm hoping Stafford gets the nod at this stage


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Ticket prices are crazy especially for families and kids.

Money grabbing wankers


lad at work telling me there are tickets for €25.....wouldnt happen in twomint....


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PostPosted: Wed Apr 18, 2018 10:40 am 
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ZuLu wrote:
Could we play the P14 semi at Lansdowne this year? Would be a great opportunity to have tickets from €10-€30 :nod:


If Munster win Sunday and if we got to a pro14 semi v Leinster I’m not sure we’d travel in numbers. A lot of piggy banks being raided for Bordeaux.


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Lazy Couch potato wrote:
ZuLu wrote:
Could we play the P14 semi at Lansdowne this year? Would be a great opportunity to have tickets from €10-€30 :nod:


If Munster win Sunday and if we got to a pro14 semi v Leinster I’m not sure we’d travel in numbers. A lot of piggy banks being raided for Bordeaux.


Don't we play the winner of 2nd v 3rd from our own conference in the SFs? Probably Scarlets again :lol:


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PostPosted: Wed Apr 18, 2018 10:59 am 
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Lazy Couch potato wrote:
ZuLu wrote:
Could we play the P14 semi at Lansdowne this year? Would be a great opportunity to have tickets from €10-€30 :nod:


If Munster win Sunday and if we got to a pro14 semi v Leinster I’m not sure we’d travel in numbers. A lot of piggy banks being raided for Bordeaux.

I thought you lads got a grant for that.


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PostPosted: Wed Apr 18, 2018 11:00 am 
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ZuLu wrote:
Lazy Couch potato wrote:
ZuLu wrote:
Could we play the P14 semi at Lansdowne this year? Would be a great opportunity to have tickets from €10-€30 :nod:


If Munster win Sunday and if we got to a pro14 semi v Leinster I’m not sure we’d travel in numbers. A lot of piggy banks being raided for Bordeaux.


Don't we play the winner of 2nd v 3rd from our own conference in the SFs? Probably Scarlets again :lol:

A1 vs winner of B2 vs A3
B1 vs winner of A2 vs B3

The top two from a conference cannot meet again until the Final.

Currently it would be:

Glasgow vs winner of Scarlets vs Cheetahs
Leinster vs winner of Munster vs Embra

In Conference A,
Glasgow (75) are certain to be 1st
Munster (76) are certain to be 2nd
Cheetahs (58) are probably 3rd
Cardiff (53) need a TBP win at home to the Ospreys AND the Cheetahs to get nothing at the Southern Kings (won have 1 win this season)

In conference B,
Leinster (70) are away to Connacht and need 1 point to finish 1st
Scarlets (65) are away to Dragons and need a TBP win to finish 2nd or better
Embra (64) are home to a Glasgow team who have already guaranteed a home semi


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Regardless of the ticket prices, Leinster being unable to sell out a home European semi-final in a city of ~2 million people would be a terrible look.


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Really doesn’t say much for ticket prices when we could well be looking at a situation where attendance falls between quarter and semi despite the increase in travelling support.


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Jumper wrote:
Regardless of the ticket prices, Leinster being unable to sell out a home European semi-final in a city of ~2 million people would be a terrible look.

20% or more of the Leinster population is foreign and rugby is new to them so far, oh and the rest are Lunsters.


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PostPosted: Wed Apr 18, 2018 11:11 am 
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They seem convinced that the English will suddenly wake up one day and love rugby as much as football. They clearly want to run clubs at a loss and have TV money save the day.



Running at a loss is a convenient tax write-off too


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Really doesn’t say much for ticket prices when we could well be looking at a situation where attendance falls between quarter and semi despite the increase in travelling support.

How have ticket for the semis been priced in recent years?
What is "normal"?


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Jumper wrote:
Regardless of the ticket prices, Leinster being unable to sell out a home European semi-final in a city of ~2 million people would be a terrible look.

:lol:


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Jumper wrote:
Regardless of the ticket prices, Leinster being unable to sell out a home European semi-final in a city of ~2 million people would be a terrible look.


:lol:


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Yer Man wrote:
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Really doesn’t say much for ticket prices when we could well be looking at a situation where attendance falls between quarter and semi despite the increase in travelling support.

How have ticket for the semis been priced in recent years?
What is "normal"?

That’s a fair question actually. It’s been a while :lol:


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ZuLu wrote:
Could we play the P14 semi at Lansdowne this year? Would be a great opportunity to have tickets from €10-€30 :nod:


If Munster win Sunday and if we got to a pro14 semi v Leinster I’m not sure we’d travel in numbers. A lot of piggy banks being raided for Bordeaux.


are you taking the horse to France ? i gave up on the logistics of it all especially with potential french rail strike.


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Starting to get excited about this one.

Don't get Thornleys point re Pro 14 name.

The "Aviva Premiership" has had a few name changes. They're called sponsors.


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Regardless of the ticket prices, Leinster being unable to sell out a home European semi-final in a city of ~2 million people would be a terrible look.

:lol:


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Regardless of the ticket prices, Leinster being unable to sell out a home European semi-final in a city of ~2 million people would be a terrible look.


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I see Ian Madigan now plays for the Bristol Bears!

The Bristol Bears!! :lol: :lol: :lol:

I remember Leinster and Munster tried similar. There was some bizarre lion in a cape logo for Leinster. Were Munster called the Deers? Ulster might have been the knights? It was absolutely bizarre.

Not a first for Bristol. They previously branded themselves the Shoguns. Mind you they were sponsored by Mitsubishi at the time. Don't think Munster ever went down that route in any official capacity. Leinster did call themselves the "Leinster Lions" for a couple of seasons. Think it was around the same time they had the cheerleaders before matches at Donnybrook.


Munster tried the Munster Stags - look at the current crest, it emanates from this experiment...
Connacht went with the Eagles and it stuck for their A Team. Ulster I thought were the Knights but the Braves sounds vaguely familiar


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Call them the Ulster Patriots

And refuse to specify.


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Ulster Asterisks has a nice ring to it


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Sissyfuss wrote:
Ticket prices are crazy especially for families and kids.

Money grabbing wankers


That was the other thing, no kids tickets. So full price to bring the chiselers. 200+ euro to bring the family.


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Ireland u20 Final: Sunday, April 22

Dublin University v Clontarf, Merrion Road, Wanderers FC, 2.30pm


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Shane O Leary joining Nottingham

There will be a lot of Irish at both Ealing and Nottingham next season


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Regardless of the ticket prices, Leinster being unable to sell out a home European semi-final in a city of ~2 million people would be a terrible look.


Leinster aren't selling the tickets you moron.


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Saturday for me and the two lads will be

€90 for tickets
€40 for transport
€40 for food

and that's before any pints.

Not a cheap day by any stretch of the imagination.


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ticketlessinseattle wrote:
Lazy Couch potato wrote:
ZuLu wrote:
Could we play the P14 semi at Lansdowne this year? Would be a great opportunity to have tickets from €10-€30 :nod:


If Munster win Sunday and if we got to a pro14 semi v Leinster I’m not sure we’d travel in numbers. A lot of piggy banks being raided for Bordeaux.


are you taking the horse to France ? i gave up on the logistics of it all especially with potential french rail strike.


Na couldn’t afford it...not a cheap trip at all and the Sunday game really gazumped me as couldn’t escape a work thingy on Monday. Sounds like a decent number are traveling tho 10k ish I’d imagine.


Not sure Leinster would give up a home sf for one in the Aviva. I think contractually they’re tied to the rds for it.


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Players rumoured to be cut from Munster Academy:

Joey Conway(LH Prop/Castletroy) - Year 1
Rob O'Donovan(TH Prop/CBC) - Year 1
Vincent O'Brien(Hooker/CBC) - Year 2
John Foley(Backrow/St. Munchins) - Year 2
Conor Fitzgerald(Outhalf/ArdScoil) - Year 1
Daniel Hurley(Wing/Young Crescent) - Year 1
Jack Power(Fullback/Blackrock) - Year 1

Players rumoured to be bumped to dev contracts:

Fineen Whycherly(Lock/Roscrea) - Year 2
Calvin Nash(Wing/Crescent) - Year 2

Remaining academy players:

Sean O'Connor(Lock/Rockwell) - Year 2
Gavin Coombes(Backrow/Bandon GS) - Year 2
Shane Daly(Outside Back/PBC) - Year 2
Liam Coombes(Wing/CBC) - Year 1
Alan Tynan(Outhalf/Roscrea) - Year 1
Jack O'Sullivan(Backrow/PBC) - Year 1
Craig Casey(Scrumhalf/ArdScoil) - Year 1
Jack Stafford(Scrumhalf/Glenstal) - Year 1
Alex McHenry(Centre/CBC) - Year 1
James McCarthy(Wing/Welsh Exile) - Year 1
Kenan Kynox(TH Prop/South Africa) - Year 1
Matt More(Centre/South Africa) - Year 1


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Not sure any of those were going to make it. Who would have the final say there van graan or say Malone ?


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Ulster Asterisks has a nice ring to it

The Seznoes was a suggestion back when team names first came up.

Leinster have kept a lot of the “Lion” branding (including Leo) (the mascot, not the coach and former lock).


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Not sure any of those were going to make it. Who would have the final say there van graan or say Malone ?


Malone I think.

Conway and Fitzgerald are the harshest..

Connacht should be after Fitzgerald IMO.


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