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Ulsters - Will Henderson be fit for Australia? If its just a tweak he'd be out 3-4 weeks? Havent heard it was a tear....


I don't think there was any announcement but I doubt he will go. This would be a great learning opportunity for T Beirne. It might also be a good opportunity to see can Dillane get his mojo back or was it a flash in the pan.


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Ulsters - Will Henderson be fit for Australia? If its just a tweak he'd be out 3-4 weeks? Havent heard it was a tear....


doesnt look likely. Best also possibly out.


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Ulsters - Will Henderson be fit for Australia? If its just a tweak he'd be out 3-4 weeks? Havent heard it was a tear....


doesnt look likely. Best also possibly out.


No disrespect to Hendo but we can manage without him given the emergence of Ryan, Best is a huge loss primarily as a leader.


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With Henderson and Best out, not many Ulstermen will be in Oz - Stockdale and ???

Maybe Herring but I think Tracey is a more solid player.


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Best out would be a very big hole to fill in the leadership group, but would it help him in the long term? Give him time to recuperate this summer, have a good pre-season and then push through to the RWC in better shape? I know a lot can happen in that time, but he's pretty old and accumulative fatigue and niggles would really affect him more than younger guys.

He is absolutely nails and has Wolverine blood, though. So there's that.


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With Henderson and Best out, not many Ulstermen will be in Oz - Stockdale and ???

Maybe Herring but I think Tracey is a more solid player.

Cooney?


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Best out would be a very big hole to fill in the leadership group, but would it help him in the long term? Give him time to recuperate this summer, have a good pre-season and then push through to the RWC in better shape? I know a lot can happen in that time, but he's pretty old and accumulative fatigue and niggles would really affect him more than younger guys.

He is absolutely nails and has Wolverine blood, though. So there's that.

Give James Ryan the jaysus captaincy while we're at it.


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That is a shame. I would have Henderson in the Irish team any day of the week. He is brilliant.

Beirne will be interesting. I think its fair to say he is allowed to do as he pleases for the Scarlets. You'd wonder how he'll cope under Joe and in Munster. The Munster set up does not look to be particularly innovative. Maybe with a pre-season.. Who knows. Sure who am I to wonder.


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Hopefully Beirne doesn't regress at Munster.


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Best out would be a very big hole to fill in the leadership group, but would it help him in the long term? Give him time to recuperate this summer, have a good pre-season and then push through to the RWC in better shape? I know a lot can happen in that time, but he's pretty old and accumulative fatigue and niggles would really affect him more than younger guys.

He is absolutely nails and has Wolverine blood, though. So there's that.

Give James Ryan the jaysus captaincy while we're at it.


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With Henderson and Best out, not many Ulstermen will be in Oz - Stockdale and ???

Maybe Herring but I think Tracey is a more solid player.

Cooney?


Murray, McGrath and Cooney as the nines?


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Given the fact that Henderson and Ryan are so good, with Toner as back up... Will Joe look at Beirne as a six?


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Given the fact that Henderson and Ryan are so good, with Toner as back up... Will Joe look at Beirne as a six?


But you have Ruddock, POM and Jordi at 6 too! He has to be pencilled in as a lock? Arent we good! :shock: :nod:


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He'll be a lock at Munster at the very least.


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Given the fact that Henderson and Ryan are so good, with Toner as back up... Will Joe look at Beirne as a six?


But you have Ruddock, POM and Jordi at 6 too! He has to be pencilled in as a lock? Arent we good! :shock: :nod:


You could argue that his form for the Scarlets would have him ahead of those three at 6. He'll push Ryan and Henderson as well. Nice selection headache to have.


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Given the fact that Henderson and Ryan are so good, with Toner as back up... Will Joe look at Beirne as a six?


But you have Ruddock, POM and Jordi at 6 too! He has to be pencilled in as a lock? Arent we good! :shock: :nod:


You could argue that his form for the Scarlets would have him ahead of those three at 6. He'll push Ryan and Henderson as well. Nice selection headache to have.


POM has been poor recently, but has massive credit in the bank. Ruddock has performed well in the past and was in unreal form earlier this season. Beirne will have his work cut out to shift them.
He'll be hard-pressed to oust the locks, too.


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Bundee, the people's champ :thumbup:


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Given the fact that Henderson and Ryan are so good, with Toner as back up... Will Joe look at Beirne as a six?


But you have Ruddock, POM and Jordi at 6 too! He has to be pencilled in as a lock? Arent we good! :shock: :nod:


You could argue that his form for the Scarlets would have him ahead of those three at 6. He'll push Ryan and Henderson as well. Nice selection headache to have.


Ahead of POM? How is his unseen work? Exciting to have so many very good options. Must not...fall into...we are going to get to a world cup semi final...trap.


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Nolanator wrote:
boringperson12 wrote:
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Given the fact that Henderson and Ryan are so good, with Toner as back up... Will Joe look at Beirne as a six?


But you have Ruddock, POM and Jordi at 6 too! He has to be pencilled in as a lock? Arent we good! :shock: :nod:


You could argue that his form for the Scarlets would have him ahead of those three at 6. He'll push Ryan and Henderson as well. Nice selection headache to have.


POM has been poor recently, but has massive credit in the bank. Ruddock has performed well in the past and was in unreal form earlier this season. Beirne will have his work cut out to shift them.
He'll be hard-pressed to oust the locks, too.


Toner appears to be indestructible, while Henderson and Ryan are seemingly prone to the occasional niggles. Beirne should be in the hunt for caps if he continues his form and current excellent injury profile


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He'll get caps, yes, but he has a ways to go to keep the others out of the team. He's had a phenomenal year and it's great to see him back in Ireland, but he'll have to show that he can play differently to how he does at Scarlets to get a real go of it.


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He'll get caps, yes, but he has a ways to go to keep the others out of the team. He's had a phenomenal year and it's great to see him back in Ireland, but he'll have to show that he can play differently to how he does at Scarlets to get a real go of it.


This. Joe will want him clearing rucks rather then hanging about waiting for a poach. Its all about the unseen. So we are told.


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Munster Rugby can confirm the one-year signing of South African back row Arno Botha.

The 26-year-old, currently with London Irish, will join the province at the beginning of the 2018/19 season.


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Arno Botha signing for Munster on a 1 year deal


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Swapping a versatile, talented Irish player for an injury-prone Saffer :thumbdown:


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Arno Botha signing for Munster on a 1 year deal


is he really needed?

All SA backrow next season for Munster as some stage?

6. Botha
7. Cloete
8. Stander


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Arno Botha signing for Munster on a 1 year deal


What a weird signing. How many South Africans do they need?


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Well that's a weird signing.


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Cummiskey reporting that Furlong is the 3rd highest paid player in the country behind Sexton/Murray.

Can't argue with that.

Arguably world's best player in his position and I'd put him level with Murray as Irelan's "best" player - even if both halfbacks are more critical.


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Arno Botha signing for Munster on a 1 year deal


What a weird signing. How many South Africans do they need?


losing Grobler so need to keep quota up.

Does Botha play ahead of JOD then?


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Best out would be a very big hole to fill in the leadership group, but would it help him in the long term? Give him time to recuperate this summer, have a good pre-season and then push through to the RWC in better shape? I know a lot can happen in that time, but he's pretty old and accumulative fatigue and niggles would really affect him more than younger guys.

He is absolutely nails and has Wolverine blood, though. So there's that.

If you had to chose between "Best for Oz" and "Best for RWC", then it's not hard.
And three years on from the last RWC we STILL don't have a genuine alternative at Hooker.
Bite the bullet and let someone earn the role this summer.


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Nolanator wrote:
Best out would be a very big hole to fill in the leadership group, but would it help him in the long term? Give him time to recuperate this summer, have a good pre-season and then push through to the RWC in better shape? I know a lot can happen in that time, but he's pretty old and accumulative fatigue and niggles would really affect him more than younger guys.

He is absolutely nails and has Wolverine blood, though. So there's that.

If you had to chose between "Best for Oz" and "Best for RWC", then it's not hard.
And three years on from the last RWC we STILL don't have a genuine alternative at Hooker.
Bite the bullet and let someone earn the role this summer.


Cronin is a genuine alternative.


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Arno Botha signing for Munster on a 1 year deal


What a weird signing. How many South Africans do they need?


This is not an attempt at a troll. But are all these weird signings having an effect on attendances and interest levels? Something is not right. The primary function of the provinces is to develop players for the national team. How is this bullshit going to do that?


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With Henderson and Best out, not many Ulstermen will be in Oz - Stockdale and ???

Maybe Herring but I think Tracey is a more solid player.

Cooney?

You'd like to think he'd go - with a view to covering 9 and 10 (3rd choice in both positions) at the RWC.
Didn't we go into 2015 with Madigan as #3 scrum half?


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Yer Man wrote:
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Best out would be a very big hole to fill in the leadership group, but would it help him in the long term? Give him time to recuperate this summer, have a good pre-season and then push through to the RWC in better shape? I know a lot can happen in that time, but he's pretty old and accumulative fatigue and niggles would really affect him more than younger guys.

He is absolutely nails and has Wolverine blood, though. So there's that.

If you had to chose between "Best for Oz" and "Best for RWC", then it's not hard.
And three years on from the last RWC we STILL don't have a genuine alternative at Hooker.
Bite the bullet and let someone earn the role this summer.

'mon Joe and do a Ryan with McBurney this summer.


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irishrugbyua wrote:
Yer Man wrote:
Nolanator wrote:
Best out would be a very big hole to fill in the leadership group, but would it help him in the long term? Give him time to recuperate this summer, have a good pre-season and then push through to the RWC in better shape? I know a lot can happen in that time, but he's pretty old and accumulative fatigue and niggles would really affect him more than younger guys.

He is absolutely nails and has Wolverine blood, though. So there's that.

If you had to chose between "Best for Oz" and "Best for RWC", then it's not hard.
And three years on from the last RWC we STILL don't have a genuine alternative at Hooker.
Bite the bullet and let someone earn the role this summer.


Cronin is a genuine alternative.

Who's also the wrong side of 30. Hookers can go on a fair bit (obviously, c.f. Best, Rory), but it's a good chance to bed Scannel in more.


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Nolanator wrote:
irishrugbyua wrote:
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Nolanator wrote:
Best out would be a very big hole to fill in the leadership group, but would it help him in the long term? Give him time to recuperate this summer, have a good pre-season and then push through to the RWC in better shape? I know a lot can happen in that time, but he's pretty old and accumulative fatigue and niggles would really affect him more than younger guys.

He is absolutely nails and has Wolverine blood, though. So there's that.

If you had to chose between "Best for Oz" and "Best for RWC", then it's not hard.
And three years on from the last RWC we STILL don't have a genuine alternative at Hooker.
Bite the bullet and let someone earn the role this summer.


Cronin is a genuine alternative.

Who's also the wrong side of 30. Hookers can go on a fair bit (obviously, c.f. Best, Rory), but it's a good chance to bed Scannel in more.


true, I fear Marshall is long term plan to replace Best. :thumbdown:


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Swapping a versatile, talented Irish player for an injury-prone Saffer :thumbdown:


Copeland had actually been playing quite well recently too.


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Nolanator wrote:
Best out would be a very big hole to fill in the leadership group, but would it help him in the long term? Give him time to recuperate this summer, have a good pre-season and then push through to the RWC in better shape? I know a lot can happen in that time, but he's pretty old and accumulative fatigue and niggles would really affect him more than younger guys.

He is absolutely nails and has Wolverine blood, though. So there's that.

If you had to chose between "Best for Oz" and "Best for RWC", then it's not hard.
And three years on from the last RWC we STILL don't have a genuine alternative at Hooker.
Bite the bullet and let someone earn the role this summer.


Cronin is a genuine alternative.

Mention that to Joe - my idea of a genuine alternative is someone who gets picked to start big games.
Okay I know that Best is Captain, but Cronin - and I love the guy - only ever plays the role of impact sub.


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Yer Man wrote:
irishrugbyua wrote:
Yer Man wrote:
Nolanator wrote:
Best out would be a very big hole to fill in the leadership group, but would it help him in the long term? Give him time to recuperate this summer, have a good pre-season and then push through to the RWC in better shape? I know a lot can happen in that time, but he's pretty old and accumulative fatigue and niggles would really affect him more than younger guys.

He is absolutely nails and has Wolverine blood, though. So there's that.

If you had to chose between "Best for Oz" and "Best for RWC", then it's not hard.
And three years on from the last RWC we STILL don't have a genuine alternative at Hooker.
Bite the bullet and let someone earn the role this summer.


Cronin is a genuine alternative.

Mention that to Joe - my idea of a genuine alternative is someone who gets picked to start big games.
Okay I know that Best is Captain, but Cronin - and I love the guy - only ever plays the role of impact sub.


Cronin has started many big games for Leinster recently, and has certainly not been found wanting.


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