Page 8577 of 13136

Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread

Posted: Sat Jun 16, 2018 2:10 pm
by Hellraiser
Nolanator wrote:
Hellraiser wrote:Not what I thought I'd be saying at the beginning of the season but if three centres are going to the RWC, Henshaw isn't one of them.
Farrell instead?

Yep. Henshaw is falling between too many stools in terms of what he's offering at the moment; not as good at bosh as Aki or Farrell, not as good a distributor as Ringrose or Farrell. If he's not in top form he looks like what he is, a fullback playing centre.

Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread

Posted: Sat Jun 16, 2018 2:14 pm
by rfurlong
Would love to see carberry start at 15 next week .... we need some creativity

Changes to the 23 likely to be:

Marmion for Cooney
Aki for henshaw
Henderson for Beirne
Cronin for herring

Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread

Posted: Sat Jun 16, 2018 2:19 pm
by Tez
How good is Larmour? In my, admittedly somewhat limited viewing, he seems to spend a lot of time dancing about. Does he have a step at pace, top end pace and strength? When boxed in he starts dancing rather than drive forward at pace, I suppose while he’s dancing the support can get to him.
More than happy to be proved wrong.

Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread

Posted: Sat Jun 16, 2018 2:19 pm
by danthefan
There's as much chance of me making the RWC squad as Henshaw not.

Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread

Posted: Sat Jun 16, 2018 2:21 pm
by danthefan
Tez wrote:How good is Larmour? In my, admittedly somewhat limited viewing, he seems to spend a lot of time dancing about. Does he have a step at pace, top end pace and strength? When boxed in he starts dancing rather than drive forward at pace, I suppose while he’s dancing the support can get to him.
More than happy to be proved wrong.
https://youtu.be/mqjetoF55NE
https://youtu.be/Q3wzKSvpeeQ

Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread

Posted: Sat Jun 16, 2018 2:25 pm
by boringperson12
Ringrose made a big difference today. A few dodgy moments but thought he played really well.

Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread

Posted: Sat Jun 16, 2018 2:26 pm
by Tez
danthefan wrote:
Tez wrote:How good is Larmour? In my, admittedly somewhat limited viewing, he seems to spend a lot of time dancing about. Does he have a step at pace, top end pace and strength? When boxed in he starts dancing rather than drive forward at pace, I suppose while he’s dancing the support can get to him.
More than happy to be proved wrong.
https://youtu.be/mqjetoF55NE
https://youtu.be/Q3wzKSvpeeQ
Fair enough, I obviously need to watch more of him.

Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread

Posted: Sat Jun 16, 2018 2:28 pm
by de_Selby
YOYO getting a bit carried away with himself. :lol:
I would have expected the same from towny if the result was the other way in fairness

Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread

Posted: Sat Jun 16, 2018 2:28 pm
by danthefan
boringperson12 wrote:Ringrose made a big difference today. A few dodgy moments but thought he played really well.
He slips off a tackle pretty much every game but the rats are always good and it holds up the attacker and the next guy makes the hit so it really doesn't matter too much. He's clearly our best centre imo. Just a class player.

Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread

Posted: Sat Jun 16, 2018 2:35 pm
by Brumby_in_Vic
Gauzere is the ref next week so there will be better refereeing at the breakdown and off set piece. Not sure how a TMO is allowed to rule a slap from a scrum half's hands.

Don't know the prognosis on Coleman. He is made of glass when against physical European packs.

Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread

Posted: Sat Jun 16, 2018 2:42 pm
by Mr. Very Popular
DiscoHips D'Arcy wrote:
ZuLu wrote:Where are the people saying we are flogging Furlong, Ryan, etc too much? :roll:

But but but he was breathing heavily at the end of the game!!
ryan I would worry about but not furlong.
he's only a young lad, he could play a game of hurling then jump the ditch and play a game of rugby, no bother to him.

Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread

Posted: Sat Jun 16, 2018 2:44 pm
by Brumby_in_Vic
The lineout and drive needs to be worked on. I do expect points to be taken instead next week to put pressure on Hooper's dumb captaincy.

Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread

Posted: Sat Jun 16, 2018 2:45 pm
by DiscoHips D'Arcy
Mr. Very Popular wrote:
DiscoHips D'Arcy wrote:
ZuLu wrote:Where are the people saying we are flogging Furlong, Ryan, etc too much? :roll:

But but but he was breathing heavily at the end of the game!!
ryan I would worry about but not furlong.
he's only a young lad, he could play a game of hurling then jump the ditch and play a game of rugby, no bother to him.
its a serious amount of big games in a short space of time just. Didnt show any fatigue today mind you.

Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread

Posted: Sat Jun 16, 2018 2:46 pm
by CM11
rfurlong wrote:Would love to see carberry start at 15 next week .... we need some creativity

Changes to the 23 likely to be:

Marmion for Cooney
Aki for henshaw
Henderson for Beirne
Cronin for herring
I think Aki for Henshaw is a given. Not just because it makes sense after the first two sets but because it made sense prior to the tour to see all three combos.

Do you keep Henshaw on the bench though? Especially if Stockdale is back. I think not.

Not sure why you don't want to see more of Cooney? More that it's more of Marmion? Still think Cooney could make a play for backup sh myself.

Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread

Posted: Sat Jun 16, 2018 2:47 pm
by Mr. Very Popular
Brumby_in_Vic wrote:The lineout and drive needs to be worked on. I do expect points to be taken instead next week to put pressure on Hooper's dumb captaincy.

lot of ball tapped down from the top over the last 2 games so it looks like Joe is starting to get the 'movez' lined up, hope he lets the boys use them in the RWC this time.

Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread

Posted: Sat Jun 16, 2018 2:49 pm
by Mr. Very Popular
YOYO wrote:
Mr. Very Popular wrote:
DiscoHips D'Arcy wrote:
ZuLu wrote:Where are the people saying we are flogging Furlong, Ryan, etc too much? :roll:

But but but he was breathing heavily at the end of the game!!
ryan I would worry about but not furlong.
he's only a young lad, he could play a game of hurling then jump the ditch and play a game of rugby, no bother to him.
and run around outside after the cat while eating a sticky chocolate bar with a snotty runny nose, but still be grand for the community games later in the day.
exactly, until he comes up against that small little fast fella.

Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread

Posted: Sat Jun 16, 2018 2:50 pm
by rfurlong
Pom was a utterly immense today - fair fecks to him!

interesting that beirne came on at 6 .... I’m curious to see how munster utilize him ..... I think like fardy at Leinster, Beirne will be playing plenty of games at 6

Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread

Posted: Sat Jun 16, 2018 2:52 pm
by rfurlong
Schmidt made a very good point in his interview ..... aussies gave away twice as many pennos as us and we received twice as many cards

The Healy card was a complete joke ..... ref said he collapsed the maul and got under the ball which is 100% correct. The problem for the ref however was that Healy only did that when the maul was over the try line

Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread

Posted: Sat Jun 16, 2018 2:52 pm
by Mr. Very Popular
EverReady wrote:
Who is wearing black leather boots and a long jumper
the little shite. :((

Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread

Posted: Sat Jun 16, 2018 2:56 pm
by Brumby_in_Vic
rfurlong wrote:Schmidt made a very good point in his interview ..... aussies gave away twice as many pennos as us and we received twice as many cards
Ireland need to be smarter as Hooper looses the rag and doesn't know the laws.

McGrath's wasn't a card as it shouldn't have been referred to the TMO. I would like to know why his try was disallowed as you are permitted to reach out and ground the ball.

Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread

Posted: Sat Jun 16, 2018 2:56 pm
by CM11
rfurlong wrote:Schmidt made a very good point in his interview ..... aussies gave away twice as many pennos as us and we received twice as many cards

The Healy card was a complete joke ..... ref said he collapsed the maul and got under the ball which is 100% correct. The problem for the ref however was that Healy only did that when the maul was over the try line
That's what I thought at the time but wasn't able to check. Have you confirmed that?

Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread

Posted: Sat Jun 16, 2018 2:57 pm
by goose81
Haven't seen the match yet, what the hell did Healy do? Broke genias arm in an off the ball incident cheika described as a king hit?

Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread

Posted: Sat Jun 16, 2018 2:57 pm
by Nolanator
McGrath's was a YC every day of the week. :lol:

Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread

Posted: Sat Jun 16, 2018 2:58 pm
by TheBouncer
Did Beirne have one huge carry or am I misremembering

Did well to cling on to a tackle late after it looked he slipped

Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread

Posted: Sat Jun 16, 2018 2:58 pm
by CM11
Brumby_in_Vic wrote:
rfurlong wrote:Schmidt made a very good point in his interview ..... aussies gave away twice as many pennos as us and we received twice as many cards
Ireland need to be smarter as Hooper looses the rag and doesn't know the laws.

McGrath's wasn't a card as it shouldn't have been referred to the TMO. I would like to know why his try was disallowed as you are permitted to reach out and ground the ball.
They've been referring that stuff to the tmo all year. Remember Kearney being penalised in the 6N?

McGrath got back up on his knees and then reached out. Ref was correct.

Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread

Posted: Sat Jun 16, 2018 3:00 pm
by CM11
TheBouncer wrote:Did Beirne have one huge carry or am I misremembering

Did well to cling on to a tackle late after it looked he slipped
Decent carry alright, was helped but gave a target.

Wasn't massively involved but thought he did well in everything he did.

Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread

Posted: Sat Jun 16, 2018 3:00 pm
by Brumby_in_Vic
Nolanator wrote:McGrath's was a YC every day of the week. :lol:
TMO can't rule on that in general play. He only referred it after Phipps whinged. Ref misses it tough shít

Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread

Posted: Sat Jun 16, 2018 3:01 pm
by Mr. Very Popular
goose81 wrote:Haven't seen the match yet, what the hell did Healy do? Broke genias arm in an off the ball incident cheika described as a king hit?
wasn't replayed at all as far as I remember and no-one seemed to be protesting on the pitch.

Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread

Posted: Sat Jun 16, 2018 3:02 pm
by de_Selby
I'd like to see Byrne get a game, he deserves it after the season he's had and I wouldn't be worried seeing him come on to close out a game. Not going to happen if it's close though I guess.

Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread

Posted: Sat Jun 16, 2018 3:03 pm
by CM11
de_Selby wrote:I'd like to see Byrne get a game, he deserves it after the season he's had and I wouldn't be worried seeing him come on to close out a game. Not going to happen if it's close though I guess.
We've a series to win and Carbery is the better bench option so unlikely to happen.

Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread

Posted: Sat Jun 16, 2018 3:03 pm
by Brumby_in_Vic
CM11 wrote:
Brumby_in_Vic wrote:
rfurlong wrote:Schmidt made a very good point in his interview ..... aussies gave away twice as many pennos as us and we received twice as many cards
Ireland need to be smarter as Hooper looses the rag and doesn't know the laws.

McGrath's wasn't a card as it shouldn't have been referred to the TMO. I would like to know why his try was disallowed as you are permitted to reach out and ground the ball.
They've been referring that stuff to the tmo all year. Remember Kearney being penalised in the 6N?

McGrath got back up on his knees and then reached out. Ref was correct.
You can still place it forward and I am failing to see where the tackle was. No double movement in Rugby.

Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread

Posted: Sat Jun 16, 2018 3:04 pm
by CM11
Brumby_in_Vic wrote:
CM11 wrote:
Brumby_in_Vic wrote:
rfurlong wrote:Schmidt made a very good point in his interview ..... aussies gave away twice as many pennos as us and we received twice as many cards
Ireland need to be smarter as Hooper looses the rag and doesn't know the laws.

McGrath's wasn't a card as it shouldn't have been referred to the TMO. I would like to know why his try was disallowed as you are permitted to reach out and ground the ball.
They've been referring that stuff to the tmo all year. Remember Kearney being penalised in the 6N?

McGrath got back up on his knees and then reached out. Ref was correct.
You can still place it forward and I am failing to see where the tackle was. No double movement in Rugby.
I never said double movement. He played the ball on the ground. Fair call.

Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread

Posted: Sat Jun 16, 2018 3:05 pm
by Mr. Very Popular
Brumby_in_Vic wrote:
CM11 wrote:
Brumby_in_Vic wrote:
rfurlong wrote:Schmidt made a very good point in his interview ..... aussies gave away twice as many pennos as us and we received twice as many cards
Ireland need to be smarter as Hooper looses the rag and doesn't know the laws.

McGrath's wasn't a card as it shouldn't have been referred to the TMO. I would like to know why his try was disallowed as you are permitted to reach out and ground the ball.
They've been referring that stuff to the tmo all year. Remember Kearney being penalised in the 6N?

McGrath got back up on his knees and then reached out. Ref was correct.
You can still place it forward and I am failing to see where the tackle was. No double movement in Rugby.
he was tackled and held, think it was the aussie lock that had him, he jiggled forward on his elbows a bit and then placed, I think the ref saw it as not releasing the ball and that's why it was a penalty against him.

Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread

Posted: Sat Jun 16, 2018 3:06 pm
by DiscoHips D'Arcy
Brumby_in_Vic wrote:
Nolanator wrote:McGrath's was a YC every day of the week. :lol:
TMO can't rule on that in general play. He only referred it after Phipps whinged. Ref misses it tough shít
was a flag from gauzere

Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread

Posted: Sat Jun 16, 2018 3:08 pm
by CM11
Mr. Very Popular wrote:
Brumby_in_Vic wrote:
CM11 wrote:
Brumby_in_Vic wrote:
rfurlong wrote:Schmidt made a very good point in his interview ..... aussies gave away twice as many pennos as us and we received twice as many cards
Ireland need to be smarter as Hooper looses the rag and doesn't know the laws.

McGrath's wasn't a card as it shouldn't have been referred to the TMO. I would like to know why his try was disallowed as you are permitted to reach out and ground the ball.
They've been referring that stuff to the tmo all year. Remember Kearney being penalised in the 6N?

McGrath got back up on his knees and then reached out. Ref was correct.
You can still place it forward and I am failing to see where the tackle was. No double movement in Rugby.
he was tackled and held, think it was the aussie lock that had him, he jiggled forward on his elbows a bit and then placed, I think the ref saw it as not releasing the ball and that's why it was a penalty against him.
He got up on his knees, not just jiggled his elbows. I'm surprised there's any debate, to be honest.

Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread

Posted: Sat Jun 16, 2018 3:08 pm
by Brumby_in_Vic
Mr. Very Popular wrote:
Brumby_in_Vic wrote:
CM11 wrote:
Brumby_in_Vic wrote:
rfurlong wrote:Schmidt made a very good point in his interview ..... aussies gave away twice as many pennos as us and we received twice as many cards
Ireland need to be smarter as Hooper looses the rag and doesn't know the laws.

McGrath's wasn't a card as it shouldn't have been referred to the TMO. I would like to know why his try was disallowed as you are permitted to reach out and ground the ball.
They've been referring that stuff to the tmo all year. Remember Kearney being penalised in the 6N?

McGrath got back up on his knees and then reached out. Ref was correct.
You can still place it forward and I am failing to see where the tackle was. No double movement in Rugby.
he was tackled and held, think it was the aussie lock that had him, he jiggled forward on his elbows a bit and then placed, I think the ref saw it as not releasing the ball and that's why it was a penalty against him.
The law says if you are tackled short you are allowed to reach towards the line to score the try.

Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread

Posted: Sat Jun 16, 2018 3:08 pm
by danthefan
Brumby_in_Vic wrote:
Nolanator wrote:McGrath's was a YC every day of the week. :lol:
TMO can't rule on that in general play. He only referred it after Phipps whinged. Ref misses it tough shít
He referred it after the touch judge got involved. But yes I've never seen a TMO getting involved for a not dangerous ruck infringement before.

Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread

Posted: Sat Jun 16, 2018 3:09 pm
by Mr. Very Popular
elbows, knees, with a prop they're basically the same thing.

Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread

Posted: Sat Jun 16, 2018 3:10 pm
by Nolanator
Brumby_in_Vic wrote:
Nolanator wrote:McGrath's was a YC every day of the week. :lol:
TMO can't rule on that in general play. He only referred it after Phipps whinged. Ref misses it tough shít
Touch judge got involved as well and recommended the ref go upstairs.

There are countless examples of refs going to the TMO after players ask them to.

Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread

Posted: Sat Jun 16, 2018 3:10 pm
by CM11
Brumby_in_Vic wrote: The law says if you are tackled short you are allowed to reach towards the line to score the try.
Except that's not what he did.