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Well, he's not going to learn on the bench or not playing. Is Addison so much better in that regard?irishrugbyua wrote:positionally Larmour isn't ready IMO, as seen in France recently, certainly not to joe's standards.CM11 wrote:Some rise for Addison if true. Odd that he's messing around with FB, might mean he doesn't rate Larmour ready yet.
How much did Addison play at FB and was he ever on England's radar?
Irish matches?earl the beaver wrote:Think it's just his mum isn't it? From Fermanagh somewhere?danthefan wrote:Was reading yesterday or the day before that Addison had supported Ireland all the way up, used to go to Ireland games as a supporter, etc. Has Irish parent(s) I think? Seems like the right sort.
I know they say all this, but so did Isaac Boss, who's brother responded with a load of pictures of him in ABs jerseys at matches.
earl the beaver wrote:My understanding is he played all over the shop for Sale, was at FB more before Haley came through and a bit at centre after that but he's been injured so much it's hard to say.CM11 wrote:Some rise for Addison if true. Odd that he's messing around with FB, might mean he doesn't rate Larmour ready yet.
How much did Addison play at FB and was he ever on England's radar?
Joe must think so.CM11 wrote:Well, he's not going to learn on the bench or not playing. Is Addison so much better in that regard?irishrugbyua wrote:positionally Larmour isn't ready IMO, as seen in France recently, certainly not to joe's standards.CM11 wrote:Some rise for Addison if true. Odd that he's messing around with FB, might mean he doesn't rate Larmour ready yet.
How much did Addison play at FB and was he ever on England's radar?
I reckon ringrose is first choice 13, and we'll see him there next weekDiego wrote:That looks like first choice + Addison. Didn't expect him to see games like this so soon...
Surely if Power's an option in the centre then so too is Sexton? Thought they were both the same age.irishrugbyua wrote:Under-20 Back Three options
James McCarthy(Exile/UL Bohs) - out injured so far this season. 2nd year in Munster Academy, capped last season.
Angus Kernohan(Ballymena/Ballymena) - capped for Ireland u20 last season, playing senior for Ulster so far this season.
Jonathan Wren(PBC/Cork Con) - out injured so far this season.
Conor Phillips(Crescent/Young Munster) - involved with Munster A.
Ikem Ugwueru(Ennis/Shannon) - made AIL debut recently
Liam Turner(Blackrock/DUFC) - regular for DUFC, involved with Leinster A.
Aaron O'Sullivan(Exile/UCD) - just returned from injury, in Leinster Academy. Had made senior debut for Wasps last season.
Hugh Lane(Galwegians) - heavily involved with Connacht Eagles.
Conor Hayes(Young Munster) - in Connacht Sub Academy, named in Ireland u20 squad last year but uncapped. heavily involved with Connacht Eagles.
Iwan Hughes(Exile/Ballynahinch) - in Ulster Academy, heavily involved with Ulster A.
Sam Dardis(Terenure/Terenure) - under 19, regular for Terenure in AIL.
There's nothing between the 3 centres. Ringrose + A. N. Other seems to be the best balance though yeahrialtoblue wrote:I reckon ringrose is first choice 13, and we'll see him there next weekDiego wrote:That looks like first choice + Addison. Didn't expect him to see games like this so soon...
Same age group but Power is out of school, while Sexton is not.unseenwork wrote:Surely if Power's an option in the centre then so too is Sexton? Thought they were both the same age.irishrugbyua wrote:Under-20 Back Three options
James McCarthy(Exile/UL Bohs) - out injured so far this season. 2nd year in Munster Academy, capped last season.
Angus Kernohan(Ballymena/Ballymena) - capped for Ireland u20 last season, playing senior for Ulster so far this season.
Jonathan Wren(PBC/Cork Con) - out injured so far this season.
Conor Phillips(Crescent/Young Munster) - involved with Munster A.
Ikem Ugwueru(Ennis/Shannon) - made AIL debut recently
Liam Turner(Blackrock/DUFC) - regular for DUFC, involved with Leinster A.
Aaron O'Sullivan(Exile/UCD) - just returned from injury, in Leinster Academy. Had made senior debut for Wasps last season.
Hugh Lane(Galwegians) - heavily involved with Connacht Eagles.
Conor Hayes(Young Munster) - in Connacht Sub Academy, named in Ireland u20 squad last year but uncapped. heavily involved with Connacht Eagles.
Iwan Hughes(Exile/Ballynahinch) - in Ulster Academy, heavily involved with Ulster A.
Sam Dardis(Terenure/Terenure) - under 19, regular for Terenure in AIL.
Ah, didn't know Power had left school already.irishrugbyua wrote:Same age group but Power is out of school, while Sexton is not.unseenwork wrote:Surely if Power's an option in the centre then so too is Sexton? Thought they were both the same age.irishrugbyua wrote:Under-20 Back Three options
James McCarthy(Exile/UL Bohs) - out injured so far this season. 2nd year in Munster Academy, capped last season.
Angus Kernohan(Ballymena/Ballymena) - capped for Ireland u20 last season, playing senior for Ulster so far this season.
Jonathan Wren(PBC/Cork Con) - out injured so far this season.
Conor Phillips(Crescent/Young Munster) - involved with Munster A.
Ikem Ugwueru(Ennis/Shannon) - made AIL debut recently
Liam Turner(Blackrock/DUFC) - regular for DUFC, involved with Leinster A.
Aaron O'Sullivan(Exile/UCD) - just returned from injury, in Leinster Academy. Had made senior debut for Wasps last season.
Hugh Lane(Galwegians) - heavily involved with Connacht Eagles.
Conor Hayes(Young Munster) - in Connacht Sub Academy, named in Ireland u20 squad last year but uncapped. heavily involved with Connacht Eagles.
Iwan Hughes(Exile/Ballynahinch) - in Ulster Academy, heavily involved with Ulster A.
Sam Dardis(Terenure/Terenure) - under 19, regular for Terenure in AIL.
Lenovo, resonably priced, reliable, good specs.danthefan wrote:I know this has been talked about on here before, looking for a light weight laptop for general work stuff, Netflix, emails, porn etc. No gaming or anything strenuous. Any recommendations for something like that?
Makes sense to have Aki and Henshaw this week. Means we'll see Ringrose and Henshaw together next week, assuming Joe sees them as his first choice centre partnership.de_Selby wrote:The indo has Henshaw and Ringrose in midfield
I think/ hope Ringrose is the first choice 13, and there isn’t much, if anything, between Aki & Henshaw at 12 imo, though I think it’s unlikely that Joe would play Aki in three consecutive games in the AI series, even if he was excellent last week. So I’d imagine it will be Henshaw/Ringrose against theABs. Addison is an interesting selection, and he seems to meet Joes overriding requirement of being technically strong. He also looks like he carries an attacking threat.Leinsterman wrote:Makes sense to have Aki and Henshaw this week. Means we'll see Ringrose and Henshaw together next week, assuming Joe sees them as his first choice centre partnership.de_Selby wrote:The indo has Henshaw and Ringrose in midfield
You say that, but he probably the most naturally gifted attacker in that backline.Diego wrote:That looks like first choice + Addison. Didn't expect him to see games like this so soon...
Mother is from Enniskillen.danthefan wrote:Was reading yesterday or the day before that Addison had supported Ireland all the way up, used to go to Ireland games as a supporter, etc. Has Irish parent(s) I think? Seems like the right sort.
Still very unusual for Joe to promote a player in such a key position so early instead of having him serve an apprenticeship in the squad over a period. Even the likes of Aki and Stander had lead in times, attending squad sessions well before they qualified to play. I suppose Addison did come in to the Australian tour camp, but it’s still quite a quick elevation, and I think shows that Joe really fancies this guy.Willie Falloon wrote:You say that, but he probably the most naturally gifted attacker in that backline.Diego wrote:That looks like first choice + Addison. Didn't expect him to see games like this so soon...
Quakity player.
Both Aki and Stander weren't IQ'd immediately.Lenny wrote:Still very unusual for Joe to promote a player in such a key position so early instead of having him serve an apprenticeship in the squad over a period. Even the likes of Aki and Stander had lead in times, attending squad sessions well before they qualified to play. I suppose Addison did come in to the Australian tour camp, but it’s still quite a quick elevation, and I think shows that Joe really fancies this guy.Willie Falloon wrote:You say that, but he probably the most naturally gifted attacker in that backline.Diego wrote:That looks like first choice + Addison. Didn't expect him to see games like this so soon...
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His point was that they were in camp before they qualified.irishrugbyua wrote:Both Aki and Stander weren't IQ'd immediately.Lenny wrote:Still very unusual for Joe to promote a player in such a key position so early instead of having him serve an apprenticeship in the squad over a period. Even the likes of Aki and Stander had lead in times, attending squad sessions well before they qualified to play. I suppose Addison did come in to the Australian tour camp, but it’s still quite a quick elevation, and I think shows that Joe really fancies this guy.Willie Falloon wrote:You say that, but he probably the most naturally gifted attacker in that backline.Diego wrote:That looks like first choice + Addison. Didn't expect him to see games like this so soon...
Quakity player.
Ball player or individual attack? Because that's a real stretch of an argument based on very little top level gametime.Willie Falloon wrote:You say that, but he probably the most naturally gifted attacker in that backline.Diego wrote:That looks like first choice + Addison. Didn't expect him to see games like this so soon...
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Yup, that's an iffy declaration. I stand by us not properly knowing until his second season.CM11 wrote:Ball player or individual attack? Because that's a real stretch of an argument based on very little top level gametime.Willie Falloon wrote:You say that, but he probably the most naturally gifted attacker in that backline.Diego wrote:That looks like first choice + Addison. Didn't expect him to see games like this so soon...
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But his defence has been distinctly average especially at 13, wouldn't mind seeing at Fullback as is a great open field runner and shouldn't have to make as many tackles. With Super Rob not getting any younger there is no definitive backup at 15 yet, which we have a few options at 13.Willie Falloon wrote:You say that, but he probably the most naturally gifted attacker in that backline.Diego wrote:That looks like first choice + Addison. Didn't expect him to see games like this so soon...
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Is RingroseWillie Falloon wrote:You say that, but he probably the most naturally gifted attacker in that backline.Diego wrote:That looks like first choice + Addison. Didn't expect him to see games like this so soon...
Quakity player.
Addison though has already 8 years of senior rugby behind him and played 114 times for Sale so he is no where near as raw as Larmour. Given Premiership on TV a lot more here, you imagine Joe has seen him play plenty of times so wouldn't say its that big of a surprise.CM11 wrote:His point was that they were in camp before they qualified.irishrugbyua wrote:Both Aki and Stander weren't IQ'd immediately.Lenny wrote:Still very unusual for Joe to promote a player in such a key position so early instead of having him serve an apprenticeship in the squad over a period. Even the likes of Aki and Stander had lead in times, attending squad sessions well before they qualified to play. I suppose Addison did come in to the Australian tour camp, but it’s still quite a quick elevation, and I think shows that Joe really fancies this guy.Willie Falloon wrote:You say that, but he probably the most naturally gifted attacker in that backline.Diego wrote:That looks like first choice + Addison. Didn't expect him to see games like this so soon...
Quakity player.
Yeah it's not like Larmour grew up playing 15. He played there first for the 20's.Luckycharmer wrote:
Addison though has already 8 years of senior rugby behind him and played 114 times for Sale so he is no where near as raw as Larmour. Given Premiership on TV a lot more here, you imagine Joe has seen him play plenty of times so wouldn't say its that big of a surprise.
Or Earls.rialtoblue wrote:Is RingroseWillie Falloon wrote:You say that, but he probably the most naturally gifted attacker in that backline.Diego wrote:That looks like first choice + Addison. Didn't expect him to see games like this so soon...
Quakity player.
Didn't Larmour play 13 for Andrews. Larmour also only had 6ns with 20's as missed RWC with injury, he played on the wing for Marys in the AIL.irishrugbyua wrote:Yeah it's not like Larmour grew up playing 15. He played there first for the 20's.Luckycharmer wrote:
Addison though has already 8 years of senior rugby behind him and played 114 times for Sale so he is no where near as raw as Larmour. Given Premiership on TV a lot more here, you imagine Joe has seen him play plenty of times so wouldn't say its that big of a surprise.
The conversation you replied to had nothing to do with Larmour.Luckycharmer wrote:
Addison though has already 8 years of senior rugby behind him and played 114 times for Sale so he is no where near as raw as Larmour. Given Premiership on TV a lot more here, you imagine Joe has seen him play plenty of times so wouldn't say its that big of a surprise.
That would be even more wasteful of resources than it is with Henshaw at 12.camroc1 wrote:Andy Dunne in some podcast or other was suggesting that Larmours long term position might be 12, with Henshaw reverting to FB. He thinks that Larmours ability to make space out of nothing could be very potent in a crowded midfield, a la Darcy when he moved in from wing/FB.
Yeah he played 13 in school, wing for Leinster schools, wing for Ireland schools.Luckycharmer wrote:Didn't Larmour play 13 for Andrews. Larmour also only had 6ns with 20's as missed RWC with injury, he played on the wing for Marys in the AIL.irishrugbyua wrote:Yeah it's not like Larmour grew up playing 15. He played there first for the 20's.Luckycharmer wrote:
Addison though has already 8 years of senior rugby behind him and played 114 times for Sale so he is no where near as raw as Larmour. Given Premiership on TV a lot more here, you imagine Joe has seen him play plenty of times so wouldn't say its that big of a surprise.
He's an Ulster player so both probably.CM11 wrote:Ball player or individual attack? Because that's a real stretch of an argument based on very little top level gametime.Willie Falloon wrote:You say that, but he probably the most naturally gifted attacker in that backline.Diego wrote:That looks like first choice + Addison. Didn't expect him to see games like this so soon...
Quakity player.
Henshaw is potentially staring down the barrel of being regarded as injury cover for the centres rather than being a starter; given Aki's form. Perhaps not even being assured of a bench slot even, given others providing slightly more flexibility. He'd either start or not feature. Possibly.CM11 wrote:That would be even more wasteful of resources than it is with Henshaw at 12.camroc1 wrote:Andy Dunne in some podcast or other was suggesting that Larmours long term position might be 12, with Henshaw reverting to FB. He thinks that Larmours ability to make space out of nothing could be very potent in a crowded midfield, a la Darcy when he moved in from wing/FB.
Dare I say it but Henshaw is just a slightly stronger, slightly quicker version of Kearney at FB. That in itself doesn't have to be a bad thing but I'd prefer Larmour to develop his positioning (the only part of FB play he doesn't excel in) rather than put a small (but robust) guy at 12 and reconvert a slow enough (for the back three) guy into the FB position.
13 is probably the position Henshaw is suited best to but needs a playmaker at 12 to get the best out of him.
Unless I've missed something, Henshaw has said noting of note about wanting to play at 15. He covered there for Leinster a few weeks ago and now loads of journos/pundits are making the conversation happen.redderneck wrote:Henshaw is potentially staring down the barrel of being regarded as injury cover for the centres rather than being a starter; given Aki's form. Perhaps not even being assured of a bench slot even, given others providing slightly more flexibility. He'd either start or not feature. Possibly.CM11 wrote:That would be even more wasteful of resources than it is with Henshaw at 12.camroc1 wrote:Andy Dunne in some podcast or other was suggesting that Larmours long term position might be 12, with Henshaw reverting to FB. He thinks that Larmours ability to make space out of nothing could be very potent in a crowded midfield, a la Darcy when he moved in from wing/FB.
Dare I say it but Henshaw is just a slightly stronger, slightly quicker version of Kearney at FB. That in itself doesn't have to be a bad thing but I'd prefer Larmour to develop his positioning (the only part of FB play he doesn't excel in) rather than put a small (but robust) guy at 12 and reconvert a slow enough (for the back three) guy into the FB position.
13 is probably the position Henshaw is suited best to but needs a playmaker at 12 to get the best out of him.
Can see why he'd fancy time at fifteen. Would go a long way to guaranteeing his inclusion on match day.
Would be a hell of a come down for a guy with his rep.
That said, I still think he'd get the nod ahead of Aki - but it's increasingly marginal.
I think Ringrose is a lock for 13.