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Posted: **Mon Nov 12, 2018 4:37 pm**

rfurlong wrote:
irishrugbyua wrote:
rfurlong wrote:
irishrugbyua wrote:Good move, was worried he'd block one of the younger locks from any potential game time they may have gotten in 2019.
yep, delighted with the optics of this ...... Leinster obviously think that Dunne and Baird would have been ahead of him by the end of this season anyways...
Dunno about Baird.

But Dowling and Dunne perhaps.
Indeed, Dowling .... Baird is another year behind

Yeah, he needs to focus on getting healthy, putting on good weight and playing 20's.

Posted: **Mon Nov 12, 2018 4:40 pm**

danthefan wrote:International standard second row Ian Nagle.

Nice ring to it.

ISSRIN. Makes a nice acronym.

Posted: **Mon Nov 12, 2018 4:42 pm**

DiscoHips D'Arcy wrote:
rfurlong wrote:I'm sorry sheeple, but Ireland need hendo on Saturday ..... look at the tape - apart from a couple of dodgy restarts, he was fvcking immense. He was genuinely excellent in contact and we will need him against NZ.

Toner didn't fix the lineout .... there were only 2 Ireland lineouts when he was on the pitch IIRC. The problem with the lineout was Best constantly under throwing ..... nothing to do with Henderson.

I genuinely think we could see Toner and Beirne on the bench. Beirne would be invaluable in terms of disrupting their ruck and maul in the last quarter. Harsh on JVDF but thems the breaks.

POM can go to 7 and Beirne to 6 if Leavy gets injured early
POM to 8 if Stander gets injured
Beirne to 6 in POM gets injured

If Best gets his shit together in the lineout (which I expect), then we could have a jackaling unit of Best/Leavy/POM with Beirne to come on (tasty) and a mauling unit of Hendo/Ryan/POM with Beirne and Toner to come on (even tastier).

That's the way to beat NZ
I would partly agree with you initial comment although I think Toner is underrated. Toner gives Best a bit of a safety net imo which he may well need, I dont know. I cant see both Hendo and Best being retained with the former much more likely to be dropped. I agree Hendo is slightly hard done by in that his tackling is excellent and bearing in mind he only played 3/4s of the game he probably would have been our top tackler. Two restarts did cost us though. I dont think he can have any complaints if he is dropped.

Toner is hardly underrated at this stage. The big difference is Henderson is the one who can consistently dominate collisions. The way we play, it is an attritional battle for the front 5 and subs. Henderson laps it up, Toner has a great work rate but he is just less destructive.

I think, despite the competition in the back row, that we might end up with Beirne being used at 6. As a unit the back row is still relatively small at Test level.

Posted: **Mon Nov 12, 2018 4:48 pm**

Fecking Nagle, seriously?

Posted: **Mon Nov 12, 2018 4:48 pm**

I wish we had Jamie for this weekend.

Posted: **Mon Nov 12, 2018 4:49 pm**

Armchair_Superstar wrote: I think, despite the competition in the back row, that we might end up with Beirne being used at 6. As a unit the back row is still relatively small at Test level.

I can see situations where he would be a decent like for like replacement for POM but adding size for the sake of size to the backrow is a bit pointless- when have we ever suffered unduly against a bigger pack? The consistent performance levels of Ireland and NZ are showing that technical prowess is beating sheer size more often than not.

Posted: **Mon Nov 12, 2018 4:51 pm**

Well I suppose if we're trying to replace someone of Peter Browne's standard, he's almost at that level.

Posted: **Mon Nov 12, 2018 4:52 pm**

Hope ROL's not too badly injured from the Kings match. I'd say he's the best solution at 12 if Henshaw misses the Bath games

Posted: **Mon Nov 12, 2018 4:52 pm**

Beirne is more likely to take Stander's place rather than POM's if he's being considered in the backrow at all.

Posted: **Mon Nov 12, 2018 4:52 pm**

Nagle you little Dixie

Posted: **Mon Nov 12, 2018 4:54 pm**

Nolanator wrote:
danthefan wrote:International standard second row Ian Nagle.

Nice ring to it.
ISSRIN. Makes a nice acronym.

Sounds like something the Soviets would threaten the West with.

Posted: **Mon Nov 12, 2018 4:56 pm**

feckwanker wrote:
Nolanator wrote:
danthefan wrote:International standard second row Ian Nagle.

Nice ring to it.
ISSRIN. Makes a nice acronym.
Sounds like something the Soviets would threaten the West with.

Nagle to Connacht by the end of the season confirmed.

Posted: **Mon Nov 12, 2018 4:57 pm**

CM11 wrote:Beirne is more likely to take Stander's place rather than POM's if he's being considered in the backrow at all.

How do you see that? Beirne can replicate the breakdown and lineout work of POM but for all that he's a competent carrier with good footwork for a big man he's got nowhere near the engine of CJ to continually smash guys for 80 minutes on both sides of the ball.

Posted: **Mon Nov 12, 2018 5:04 pm**

ruckinhell wrote:
CM11 wrote:Beirne is more likely to take Stander's place rather than POM's if he's being considered in the backrow at all.
How do you see that? Beirne can replicate the breakdown and lineout work of POM but for all that he's a competent carrier with good footwork for a big man he's got nowhere near the engine of CJ to continually smash guys for 80 minutes on both sides of the ball.

Well, he regularly played 8 for Scarlets for one. I'm not sure why you think he doesn't have the engine? Of course international is different and I don't think he'll start ahead of either but my point was more that Stander's place is more likely to be up for grabs rather than POM's.

Posted: **Mon Nov 12, 2018 5:07 pm**

The real plus is that you can have an out and out 7 like JvdF on the bench and not worry about cover with Beirne.

Posted: **Mon Nov 12, 2018 5:08 pm**

CM11 wrote:
ruckinhell wrote:
CM11 wrote:Beirne is more likely to take Stander's place rather than POM's if he's being considered in the backrow at all.
How do you see that? Beirne can replicate the breakdown and lineout work of POM but for all that he's a competent carrier with good footwork for a big man he's got nowhere near the engine of CJ to continually smash guys for 80 minutes on both sides of the ball.
Well, he regularly played 8 for Scarlets for one. I'm not sure why you think he doesn't have the engine? Of course international is different and I don't think he'll start ahead of either but my point was more that Stander's place is more likely to be up for grabs rather than POM's.

POM seems to pick up knocks far more regularly than Stander who is frankly inhuman given the amount of contact he ships every game. Given how we play I would have thought that Conan was the first man in for Stander and it being a shootout between Beirne and Ruddock for the backup 6 slot.

Posted: **Mon Nov 12, 2018 5:19 pm**

Fairly bizarre reaction to the Scots losing Hogg to Exeter.

Glasgow are being hollowed out and it's met with discussions on it being a great move.

Not good for the league.

Posted: **Mon Nov 12, 2018 5:30 pm**

CM11 wrote:Beirne is more likely to take Stander's place rather than POM's if he's being considered in the backrow at all.

As usual I agree with Stats

Posted: **Mon Nov 12, 2018 5:42 pm**

Mullet 2 wrote:Fairly bizarre reaction to the Scots losing Hogg to Exeter.

Glasgow are being hollowed out and it's met with discussions on it being a great move.

Not good for the league.

Is it definitely Exeter he's heading to?

Have to feel for Glasgow. Rennie was some acquisition after Townsend got promoted but Nakarawa, Russell and now Hogg would be the 3 players he'd least have liked to lose.

Posted: **Mon Nov 12, 2018 5:50 pm**

Mullet 2 wrote:Fairly bizarre reaction to the Scots losing Hogg to Exeter.

Glasgow are being hollowed out and it's met with discussions on it being a great move.

Not good for the league.

Hadn't seen that, arse.

Posted: **Mon Nov 12, 2018 5:55 pm**

Mullet 2 wrote:Fairly bizarre reaction to the Scots losing Hogg to Exeter.

Glasgow are being hollowed out and it's met with discussions on it being a great move.

Not good for the league.

Who’s saying it’s a good move ? It’s a disaster for Scotland to have their best players scattered all over the spiv leagues . And yeah, not good for the Pro 14 either

Posted: **Mon Nov 12, 2018 5:56 pm**

Neither Stander or POM will drop out of the side. They are as assured of their places as Furlong/Murray/Sexton.

Posted: **Mon Nov 12, 2018 5:59 pm**

hermie wrote:
Mullet 2 wrote:Fairly bizarre reaction to the Scots losing Hogg to Exeter.

Glasgow are being hollowed out and it's met with discussions on it being a great move.

Not good for the league.
Is it definitely Exeter he's heading to?

Have to feel for Glasgow. Rennie was some acquisition after Townsend got promoted but Nakarawa, Russell and now Hogg would be the 3 players he'd least have liked to lose.

I would presume he is going for cash, I would never have thought of Exeter as big spenders?

Posted: **Mon Nov 12, 2018 6:06 pm**

Luckycharmer wrote:
hermie wrote:
Mullet 2 wrote:Fairly bizarre reaction to the Scots losing Hogg to Exeter.

Glasgow are being hollowed out and it's met with discussions on it being a great move.

Not good for the league.
Is it definitely Exeter he's heading to?

Have to feel for Glasgow. Rennie was some acquisition after Townsend got promoted but Nakarawa, Russell and now Hogg would be the 3 players he'd least have liked to lose.
I would presume he is going for cash, I would never have thought of Exeter as big spenders?

They didn't win the premiership without big spending. The owner is minted

Posted: **Mon Nov 12, 2018 6:07 pm**

cfm93 wrote:Ian Nagle to Ulster on loan for the rest of the season.

Bad news for Leinster. If they dont repeat the double this year, we'll know why.

Posted: **Mon Nov 12, 2018 6:10 pm**

sewa wrote:
Luckycharmer wrote:
hermie wrote:
Mullet 2 wrote:Fairly bizarre reaction to the Scots losing Hogg to Exeter.

Glasgow are being hollowed out and it's met with discussions on it being a great move.

Not good for the league.
Is it definitely Exeter he's heading to?

Have to feel for Glasgow. Rennie was some acquisition after Townsend got promoted but Nakarawa, Russell and now Hogg would be the 3 players he'd least have liked to lose.
I would presume he is going for cash, I would never have thought of Exeter as big spenders?
They didn't win the premiership without big spending. The owner is minted

So who are their big money players?

Posted: **Mon Nov 12, 2018 6:10 pm**

A great servant, wish him well.

Posted: **Mon Nov 12, 2018 6:12 pm**

Jumper wrote:Neither Stander or POM will drop out of the side. They are as assured of their places as Furlong/Murray/Sexton.

Posted: **Mon Nov 12, 2018 6:13 pm**

Luckycharmer wrote:
sewa wrote:
Luckycharmer wrote:
hermie wrote:
Mullet 2 wrote:Fairly bizarre reaction to the Scots losing Hogg to Exeter.

Glasgow are being hollowed out and it's met with discussions on it being a great move.

Not good for the league.
Is it definitely Exeter he's heading to?

Have to feel for Glasgow. Rennie was some acquisition after Townsend got promoted but Nakarawa, Russell and now Hogg would be the 3 players he'd least have liked to lose.
I would presume he is going for cash, I would never have thought of Exeter as big spenders?
They didn't win the premiership without big spending. The owner is minted
So who are their big money players?

Nowell, Slade, Cowan-Dickie, Simmonds?

Posted: **Mon Nov 12, 2018 6:19 pm**

hermie wrote:
Luckycharmer wrote:
sewa wrote:
hermie wrote:
Mullet 2 wrote:Fairly bizarre reaction to the Scots losing Hogg to Exeter.

Glasgow are being hollowed out and it's met with discussions on it being a great move.

Not good for the league.
Is it definitely Exeter he's heading to?

Have to feel for Glasgow. Rennie was some acquisition after Townsend got promoted but Nakarawa, Russell and now Hogg would be the 3 players he'd least have liked to lose.

I would presume he is going for cash, I would never have thought of Exeter as big spenders?
They didn't win the premiership without big spending. The owner is minted
So who are their big money players?
Nowell, Slade, Cowan-Dickie, Simmonds?

They all came through the Exeter academy, I am talking about big money signings.

Posted: **Mon Nov 12, 2018 6:22 pm**

I'm not sure they are big spenders per se, but they do have a fairly robust squad. No real marquee signings but a lot of mid level signing slike Armand, Kvesic and they've had Campagnaro hanging around for over a season. IIRC they're the only GP team that was profitable so probably a bit of head room there.

Posted: **Mon Nov 12, 2018 6:24 pm**

Cordero and Campagnaro would be sought after I'd say. And ISC Ian Whitten.

Posted: **Mon Nov 12, 2018 6:29 pm**

Luckycharmer wrote: They all came through the Exeter academy, I am talking about big money signings.

They'd still need big wages to keep them though, no? Also having good structures in place doesn't come at no expense either.

Posted: **Mon Nov 12, 2018 6:51 pm**

Luckycharmer wrote:
Flametop wrote:So, where has Sexton’s distance on his place kicks gone?
Hex rarely attempts a kick from the half way line and tonight he was well short with a kick that many international kickers would at least have the distance to kick.

For me, his run up of about four slow, tentative steps does not give him sufficient momentum to kick powerfully through the ball from distance.
As others have said he has never been long, it has nothing to do with run up either. Look at Bosch and Steyn who are both excellent long distance kickers neither have long run ups.

not to mention the man with ice in his veins and the shortest sweetest run up to 74 yard match winning penalty....Rory Scannell

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dSZ6iHN ... gs=pl%2Cwn

Posted: **Mon Nov 12, 2018 7:07 pm**

CM11 wrote:
ruckinhell wrote:
CM11 wrote:Beirne is more likely to take Stander's place rather than POM's if he's being considered in the backrow at all.
How do you see that? Beirne can replicate the breakdown and lineout work of POM but for all that he's a competent carrier with good footwork for a big man he's got nowhere near the engine of CJ to continually smash guys for 80 minutes on both sides of the ball.
Well, he regularly played 8 for Scarlets for one. I'm not sure why you think he doesn't have the engine? Of course international is different and I don't think he'll start ahead of either but my point was more that Stander's place is more likely to be up for grabs rather than POM's.

Not a lot of players do have Stander's engine. Beirne would have a much more similar skill set to O'Mahony which is probably what he's getting at.

Posted: **Mon Nov 12, 2018 7:14 pm**

Boxcar Ira wrote:Cordero and Campagnaro would be sought after I'd say. And ISC Ian Whitten.

Campagnaro got released

Posted: **Mon Nov 12, 2018 7:47 pm**

International Standard Centre Ian Whitten would be worth his weight in gold if he fancied a return to Ulster given the state of our available backline.

Posted: **Mon Nov 12, 2018 7:52 pm**

Jim Lahey wrote:International Standard Centre Ian Whitten would be worth his weight in gold if he fancied a return to Ulster given the state of our available backline.

Don't think he would come back. Supposedly Humphrys tried to get him back after Nevin Spence died but he wasn't interested.

Posted: **Mon Nov 12, 2018 8:41 pm**

Jim Lahey wrote:International Standard Centre Ian Whitten would be worth his weight in gold if he fancied a return to Ulster given the state of our available backline.

There is always a use for big centres with solid basics. He very rarely makes mistakes and will make yards when he carries.

He'd be of use to all the provinces as a squad player. Given the current injury situation at Ulster he'd clearly be getting a lot of game time.

Posted: **Mon Nov 12, 2018 8:52 pm**

Mullet 2 wrote:Fairly bizarre reaction to the Scots losing Hogg to Exeter.

Glasgow are being hollowed out and it's met with discussions on it being a great move.

Not good for the league.

Hogg as a senior player is taking a decision to leave Scotland - some of the responsibility has to land on his shoulders. Our lads would all love a French a pay rise too.

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