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PostPosted: Wed Oct 10, 2018 11:35 pm 
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All the Ulster lads jumping on this.

I guess its easier to talk about Munster than to face the reality that there is a non-zero possibility that this Ulster side may be the least competitive provincial side of all time.

The biggest difference between Munster and Ulster right now is that Ulster are under no delusion that they'll be winning trophies any time soon. :D


Exactly, no one has claimed we top 5 or whatever


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PostPosted: Wed Oct 10, 2018 11:39 pm 
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Ulsters Red Hand wrote:
crouchy wrote:
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All the Ulster lads jumping on this.

I guess its easier to talk about Munster than to face the reality that there is a non-zero possibility that this Ulster side may be the least competitive provincial side of all time.

The biggest difference between Munster and Ulster right now is that Ulster are under no delusion that they'll be winning trophies any time soon. :D


Exactly, no one has claimed we top 5 or whatever


I don't think we are even in the top five in our group :lol:


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PostPosted: Wed Oct 10, 2018 11:49 pm 
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I'd argue Leinster, Sarries and Racing in tier 1, Clermont, Exeter, Scarlets in tier 2, Wasps and Montpellier in tier 3.

However, Munster perform better in general in Europe than Exeter and Scarlets so I wouldn't begrudge them tier 2 status.


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PostPosted: Thu Oct 11, 2018 1:34 am 
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Munster have worked out exactly how to qualify in Europe. Give us a home qf and we’ve a better than fighting chance to make a semi but that’s absolutely it in my opinion. Attack isn’t there to punish teams.

Edit and the same with the pro14. Semi final and out if away semi. Final and out if home semi. As predictable as can be. Perhaps we hit a perfect storm having everyone fit and firing while Leinster/Scarlets/Glasgow catch some bad aids but I don’t see it otherwise


Fair, I reckon.

We need, cliché incoming, the hairy old combo of us nailing a big performance and the oppo having a bad day at the office to get past the big guns.

Given our scrumhalf issues, we'll be doing bloody well to get out of the group right now. Exeter could do a proper number on us and I'm not certain, if they did, that the resilience to get past it is there in this group of players. Our away form suggests it is not.


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PostPosted: Thu Oct 11, 2018 7:19 am 
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With the chat of Fitz's podcast, meant to say that Jack McGrath was on the Rugby Pod this week. Was a decent listen. Called Moriarty's comments about Sexton being protected complete bollocks.
Haven't really ever heard him talk outside the usual media soundbites, comes across as a fairly relaxed guy. :thumbup:


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PostPosted: Thu Oct 11, 2018 7:22 am 
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Nolanator wrote:
With the chat of Fitz's podcast, meant to say that Jack McGrath was on the Rugby Pod this week. Was a decent listen. Called Moriarty's comments about Sexton being protected complete bollocks.
Haven't really ever heard him talk outside the usual media soundbites, comes across as a fairly relaxed guy. :thumbup:


yeah thought he was good.


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PostPosted: Thu Oct 11, 2018 7:37 am 
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Not analysing them but trying to learn off other players, other systems and different scenarios. It’s something Stuart [Lancaster] always encourages, to just watch as many games as possible to try and educate ourselves and have a point of view afterwards. It ties in well with that [finding an edge] as well. Most guys would watch games anyway.”


decent stuff from ringrose: http://www.the42.ie/garry-ringrose-lein ... 2-Oct2018/


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PostPosted: Thu Oct 11, 2018 8:29 am 
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CM11 wrote:
I'd argue Leinster, Sarries and Racing in tier 1, Clermont, Exeter, Scarlets in tier 2, Wasps and Montpellier in tier 3.

However, Munster perform better in general in Europe than Exeter and Scarlets so I wouldn't begrudge them tier 2 status.


Clermont have looked very good this season as have Exeter

Only put Scarlets in their based on their form the last 2 seasons, dont think theyll reach the same heights this year with Beirne, Williams and Barclay gone


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PostPosted: Thu Oct 11, 2018 8:39 am 
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I see Rea got 8 weeks halved to 4 which seems harsh for an accidental collision.


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PostPosted: Thu Oct 11, 2018 8:50 am 
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crouchy wrote:
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All the Ulster lads jumping on this.

I guess its easier to talk about Munster than to face the reality that there is a non-zero possibility that this Ulster side may be the least competitive provincial side of all time.

The biggest difference between Munster and Ulster right now is that Ulster are under no delusion that they'll be winning trophies any time soon. :D


Actually the biggest difference is we can watch our side play rugby without being absolutely mortified.


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PostPosted: Thu Oct 11, 2018 8:55 am 
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earl the beaver wrote:
I see Rea got 8 weeks halved to 4 which seems harsh for an accidental collision.


Makes Basteraud’s ban even more mental


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PostPosted: Thu Oct 11, 2018 9:04 am 
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Ulsters Red Hand wrote:
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I'd argue Leinster, Sarries and Racing in tier 1, Clermont, Exeter, Scarlets in tier 2, Wasps and Montpellier in tier 3.

However, Munster perform better in general in Europe than Exeter and Scarlets so I wouldn't begrudge them tier 2 status.


Clermont have looked very good this season as have Exeter

Only put Scarlets in their based on their form the last 2 seasons, dont think theyll reach the same heights this year with Beirne, Williams and Barclay gone


Yeah, wouldn't expect much of Scarlets this season although that might be unfair.


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PostPosted: Thu Oct 11, 2018 9:32 am 
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Clermont aren't in the Heinken this year. So don't think they'll win it.


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PostPosted: Thu Oct 11, 2018 9:34 am 
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Clermont aren't in the Heinken this year. So don't think they'll win it.


:lol: :thumbup:

Doh!


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PostPosted: Thu Oct 11, 2018 9:35 am 
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sewa wrote:
crouchy wrote:
Jumper wrote:
All the Ulster lads jumping on this.

I guess its easier to talk about Munster than to face the reality that there is a non-zero possibility that this Ulster side may be the least competitive provincial side of all time.

The biggest difference between Munster and Ulster right now is that Ulster are under no delusion that they'll be winning trophies any time soon. :D


Actually the biggest difference is we can watch our side play rugby without being absolutely mortified.


It probably helps that you all watch from the comfort of your own homes though. :lol:


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PostPosted: Thu Oct 11, 2018 9:47 am 
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Anyway, thought I'd do a ratings table based on the last two seasons.

10 points for European winner, 7.5 runner up, 5, semi finalists, 2.5 quarter finalist

8 points for league winner, 5.5 runner up, 2.5 semi finalist, going to leave the other knockout round out for the moment

So:

Leinster - 25.5
Saracens - 23
Scarlets - 18.5
Munster - 18
Exeter - 13.5
Racing - 12.5
Wasps - 10.5
Montpellier - 5.5

Anyone I missed?

Only notable point about that is that of the top 5, Munster are the only side without a title in the last 2 years.


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PostPosted: Thu Oct 11, 2018 9:51 am 
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earl the beaver wrote:
I see Rea got 8 weeks halved to 4 which seems harsh for an accidental collision.


While I think 4 weeks is a reasonable ban, its crazy when compared to Bastareaud's and Dominic Robertson-McCoy's.


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NorthWestRugby wrote:
sewa wrote:

Actually the biggest difference is we can watch our side play rugby without being absolutely mortified.


It probably helps that you all watch from the comfort of your own homes though. :lol:


Attendances? Are you really going to go there?


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boringperson12 wrote:
Ulsters Red Hand wrote:
crouchy wrote:
Jumper wrote:
All the Ulster lads jumping on this.

I guess its easier to talk about Munster than to face the reality that there is a non-zero possibility that this Ulster side may be the least competitive provincial side of all time.

The biggest difference between Munster and Ulster right now is that Ulster are under no delusion that they'll be winning trophies any time soon. :D


Exactly, no one has claimed we top 5 or whatever


I don't think we are even in the top five in our group :lol:

Or in Ireland :lol: :lol: :blush:


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PostPosted: Thu Oct 11, 2018 10:02 am 
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sewa wrote:
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sewa wrote:

Actually the biggest difference is we can watch our side play rugby without being absolutely mortified.


It probably helps that you all watch from the comfort of your own homes though. :lol:


Attendances? Are you really going to go there?


It’s slim pickings for us these days when it’s comes to bragging rights. I could go with your susceptibility to autumnal storms?


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PostPosted: Thu Oct 11, 2018 10:09 am 
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Ulsters Red Hand wrote:
earl the beaver wrote:
I see Rea got 8 weeks halved to 4 which seems harsh for an accidental collision.


Makes Basteraud’s ban even more mental

I think Bastareaud's ban is mental compared to any other ban, regardless of perceived leniency or not.


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Who is Rory Best's post WC replacement for 6 Nations 2020?

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Sean Cronin(33)
Rob Herring(29)
James Tracy(28)
Dave Heffernan(28)
Niall Scannell(27)
Rhys Marshall(27)


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PostPosted: Thu Oct 11, 2018 11:40 am 
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It'll be Scannell. Nailed on cert.


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PostPosted: Thu Oct 11, 2018 11:41 am 
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irishrugbyua wrote:
Who is Rory Best's post WC replacement for 6 Nations 2020?

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Sean Cronin(33)
Rob Herring(29)
James Tracy(28)
Dave Heffernan(28)
Niall Scannell(27)
Rhys Marshall(27)

Has to be Scannell surely?


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PostPosted: Thu Oct 11, 2018 11:42 am 
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more worried about leinster. Age profiles for Tracy and Cronin not good


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PostPosted: Thu Oct 11, 2018 11:46 am 
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feckwanker wrote:
irishrugbyua wrote:
Who is Rory Best's post WC replacement for 6 Nations 2020?

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Sean Cronin(33)
Rob Herring(29)
James Tracy(28)
Dave Heffernan(28)
Niall Scannell(27)
Rhys Marshall(27)

Has to be Scannell surely?


Not sure why the question is even being asked tbh.


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PostPosted: Thu Oct 11, 2018 11:54 am 
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Leinster Rugby

15. Rob Kearney
14. Jordan Larmour
13. Garry Ringrose
12. Robbie Henshaw
11. James Lowe
10. Johnny Sexton CAPTAIN
9. Luke McGrath
1. Cian Healy
2. Seán Cronin
3. Tadhg Furlong
4. Devin Toner
5. James Ryan
6. Dan Leavy
7. Josh van der Flier
8. Jack Conan

16. James Tracy
17. Jack McGrath
18. Andrew Porter
19. Scott Fardy
20. Seán O’Brien
21. Nick McCarthy
22. Ross Byrne
23. Joe Tomane


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6. Dan Leavy
7. Josh van der Flier
8. Jack Conan
20. Seán O’Brien


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As expected really.


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Is Ruddock injured?

Looking forward to Leavy at 6. His pace at 7 is the only obvious weakness to him game.


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Wasps team to face Leinster Rugby at RDS Arena on Friday 12 October (kick-off 7:45pm)

15 Willie Le Roux

14 Josh Bassett

13 Juan de Jongh

12 Michael Le Bourgeois

11 Elliot Daly (C)

10 Lima Sopoaga

9 Joe Simpson

1 Zurabi Zhvania

2 Tommy Taylor

3 Kieran Brookes

4 Will Rowlands

5 James Gaskell

6 Brad Shields

7 Thomas Young

8 Nizaam Carr



Replacements

16 Tom Cruse

17 Ben Harris

18 Will Stuart

19 Kearnan Myall

20 Ashley Johnson

21 Craig Hampson

22 Billy Searle

23 Rob Miller


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Pity he's not going to go with Larmour at FB.

Harsh on McFadden or is he injured?

Ruddock too?


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CM11 wrote:
Pity he's not going to go with Larmour at FB.

Harsh on McFadden or is he injured?

Ruddock too?


Expect Ruddock/McFadden to start away in france.


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CM11 wrote:
Pity he's not going to go with Larmour at FB.

Harsh on McFadden or is he injured?

Ruddock too?


I'm less fussed about Larmour/Rob is it's to be pissing. Obviously I'd prefer Larmour to just own the 15 jersey from now, but having Rob at 15 in a slower game isn't going to have a huge effect on how the team plays.


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CM11 wrote:
Pity he's not going to go with Larmour at FB.

Harsh on McFadden or is he injured?

Ruddock too?

Tough break for Ruddock but hard to argue. Conan has started the season very well and there's just too much quality elsewhere. Very surprised that Tomane is ahead of McFadden however unless Ferg has an injury.


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Rotation amongst the locks will be interesting. Not sure what the best pairing is


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I'm delighted to see JvdF in. The dude is just an animal at the moment.


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That must be up there with the strongest 23 Leinster have ever fielded.


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McGrath, Porter, Fardy and SOB off the bench is just unfair.


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Rotation amongst the locks will be interesting. Not sure what the best pairing is

Interesting one alright. Keep rotating them I say, keep all their minutes down and hopefully we keep all 3 available for the big games.


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