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CM11 wrote:

Lazy Couch potato wrote:Story with max deegan leinsterites? Touch of the Ian nagles? I thought he was the next big thing?

When’s he out of contract....Arno Botha only has a years contract

I'd say Deegan might end up more like Copeland rather than Nagle if he doesn't properly make it.

You think? I think he's a super player. I'd be surprised if he doesn't pick up 50 Irish caps.

Willie Falloon wrote:

irishrugbyua wrote:Irish Loosehead Props 25 and under

Tommy O'Hagan(25/Rainey/Ulster)
Ed Byrne(25/Clongowes/Leinster) - 28 caps
Peter Dooley(24/Birr/Leinster) - 52 caps
Jeremy Loughman(23/Blackrock/Munster) - 8 caps
Liam O'Connor(23/CBC/Munster) - 12 caps
Eric O'Sullivan(22/Templogue/Ulster) - 10 caps
Conan O'Donnell(22/Sligo/Connacht) - 15 caps
Peter Cooper(21/Wallace/Ulster)
Matthew Burke(21/Galwegians/Connacht)
James French(20/Bandon/Munster)
Michael Milne(19/Roscrea/Leinster)

Loosehead is going to be an issue in a few years time. No-one of outstanding quality there.

Peter Dooley will make it.

Liathroidigloine wrote:

Willie Falloon wrote:

irishrugbyua wrote:Irish Loosehead Props 25 and under

Tommy O'Hagan(25/Rainey/Ulster)
Ed Byrne(25/Clongowes/Leinster) - 28 caps
Peter Dooley(24/Birr/Leinster) - 52 caps
Jeremy Loughman(23/Blackrock/Munster) - 8 caps
Liam O'Connor(23/CBC/Munster) - 12 caps
Eric O'Sullivan(22/Templogue/Ulster) - 10 caps
Conan O'Donnell(22/Sligo/Connacht) - 15 caps
Peter Cooper(21/Wallace/Ulster)
Matthew Burke(21/Galwegians/Connacht)
James French(20/Bandon/Munster)
Michael Milne(19/Roscrea/Leinster)

Loosehead is going to be an issue in a few years time. No-one of outstanding quality there.

Peter Dooley will make it.

when?

Liathroidigloine wrote:

CM11 wrote:

Lazy Couch potato wrote:Story with max deegan leinsterites? Touch of the Ian nagles? I thought he was the next big thing?

When’s he out of contract....Arno Botha only has a years contract

I'd say Deegan might end up more like Copeland rather than Nagle if he doesn't properly make it.

You think? I think he's a super player. I'd be surprised if he doesn't pick up 50 Irish caps.

hasn't been super this season.

Liathroidigloine wrote:

Willie Falloon wrote:

irishrugbyua wrote:Irish Loosehead Props 25 and under

Tommy O'Hagan(25/Rainey/Ulster)
Ed Byrne(25/Clongowes/Leinster) - 28 caps
Peter Dooley(24/Birr/Leinster) - 52 caps
Jeremy Loughman(23/Blackrock/Munster) - 8 caps
Liam O'Connor(23/CBC/Munster) - 12 caps
Eric O'Sullivan(22/Templogue/Ulster) - 10 caps
Conan O'Donnell(22/Sligo/Connacht) - 15 caps
Peter Cooper(21/Wallace/Ulster)
Matthew Burke(21/Galwegians/Connacht)
James French(20/Bandon/Munster)
Michael Milne(19/Roscrea/Leinster)

Loosehead is going to be an issue in a few years time. No-one of outstanding quality there.

Peter Dooley will make it.

5 of the 11 from Leinster. Come on Munster and Ulster, share the load.

irishrugbyua wrote:

Liathroidigloine wrote:

Willie Falloon wrote:

irishrugbyua wrote:Irish Loosehead Props 25 and under

Tommy O'Hagan(25/Rainey/Ulster)
Ed Byrne(25/Clongowes/Leinster) - 28 caps
Peter Dooley(24/Birr/Leinster) - 52 caps
Jeremy Loughman(23/Blackrock/Munster) - 8 caps
Liam O'Connor(23/CBC/Munster) - 12 caps
Eric O'Sullivan(22/Templogue/Ulster) - 10 caps
Conan O'Donnell(22/Sligo/Connacht) - 15 caps
Peter Cooper(21/Wallace/Ulster)
Matthew Burke(21/Galwegians/Connacht)
James French(20/Bandon/Munster)
Michael Milne(19/Roscrea/Leinster)

Loosehead is going to be an issue in a few years time. No-one of outstanding quality there.

Peter Dooley will make it.

when?

Well he's behind two fairly handy lads but I can see him capped in Autumn 2020. Healy will be 33, McGrath 31 and Kilcoyne 31. There is a massive gap after that and he's in a position to fill it.

Liathroidigloine wrote:

Willie Falloon wrote:

irishrugbyua wrote:Irish Loosehead Props 25 and under

Tommy O'Hagan(25/Rainey/Ulster)
Ed Byrne(25/Clongowes/Leinster) - 28 caps
Peter Dooley(24/Birr/Leinster) - 52 caps
Jeremy Loughman(23/Blackrock/Munster) - 8 caps
Liam O'Connor(23/CBC/Munster) - 12 caps
Eric O'Sullivan(22/Templogue/Ulster) - 10 caps
Conan O'Donnell(22/Sligo/Connacht) - 15 caps
Peter Cooper(21/Wallace/Ulster)
Matthew Burke(21/Galwegians/Connacht)
James French(20/Bandon/Munster)
Michael Milne(19/Roscrea/Leinster)

Loosehead is going to be an issue in a few years time. No-one of outstanding quality there.

Peter Dooley will make it.

Both loughman and boomer look to have enough to make provincial players at least

Liathroidigloine wrote:

irishrugbyua wrote:

Liathroidigloine wrote:

Willie Falloon wrote:

irishrugbyua wrote:Irish Loosehead Props 25 and under

Tommy O'Hagan(25/Rainey/Ulster)
Ed Byrne(25/Clongowes/Leinster) - 28 caps
Peter Dooley(24/Birr/Leinster) - 52 caps
Jeremy Loughman(23/Blackrock/Munster) - 8 caps
Liam O'Connor(23/CBC/Munster) - 12 caps
Eric O'Sullivan(22/Templogue/Ulster) - 10 caps
Conan O'Donnell(22/Sligo/Connacht) - 15 caps
Peter Cooper(21/Wallace/Ulster)
Matthew Burke(21/Galwegians/Connacht)
James French(20/Bandon/Munster)
Michael Milne(19/Roscrea/Leinster)

Loosehead is going to be an issue in a few years time. No-one of outstanding quality there.

Peter Dooley will make it.

when?

Well he's behind two fairly handy lads but I can see him capped in Autumn 2020. Healy will be 33, McGrath 31 and Kilcoyne 31. There is a massive gap after that and he's in a position to fill it.

Yeah possibly.

irishrugbyua wrote:

Liathroidigloine wrote:

CM11 wrote:

Lazy Couch potato wrote:Story with max deegan leinsterites? Touch of the Ian nagles? I thought he was the next big thing?

When’s he out of contract....Arno Botha only has a years contract

I'd say Deegan might end up more like Copeland rather than Nagle if he doesn't properly make it.

You think? I think he's a super player. I'd be surprised if he doesn't pick up 50 Irish caps.

hasn't been super this season.

Did he not pick up a MOM this season? I really like him as a 22 year old relatively inexperienced 8.

Liathroidigloine wrote:

CM11 wrote:

Lazy Couch potato wrote:Story with max deegan leinsterites? Touch of the Ian nagles? I thought he was the next big thing?

When’s he out of contract....Arno Botha only has a years contract

I'd say Deegan might end up more like Copeland rather than Nagle if he doesn't properly make it.

You think? I think he's a super player. I'd be surprised if he doesn't pick up 50 Irish caps.

Did you miss the 'if'?

Luis Faria(U19/Centre), Cian Prendergast(U19/Lock), Ronan Watters(U20/Backrow), Sean Galvin(U21/Wing) and James Kenny(U21/Scrumhalf) were all at Ireland training today.

Kenny is in background of this picture

irishrugbyua wrote:Luis Faria(U19/Centre), Cian Prendergast(U19/Lock), Ronan Watters(U20/Backrow), Sean Galvin(U21/Wing) and James Kenny(U21/Scrumhalf) were all at Ireland training today.

Kenny is in background of this picture

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Kenny is the big 9 that played for Zaga, right? He looked decent at schools level.

CM11 wrote:

Liathroidigloine wrote:

CM11 wrote:

Lazy Couch potato wrote:Story with max deegan leinsterites? Touch of the Ian nagles? I thought he was the next big thing?

When’s he out of contract....Arno Botha only has a years contract

I'd say Deegan might end up more like Copeland rather than Nagle if he doesn't properly make it.

You think? I think he's a super player. I'd be surprised if he doesn't pick up 50 Irish caps.

Did you miss the 'if'?

So what you're saying is, "if he doesn't end up being brilliant, he'll end up being decent" - you've really gone out on a limb there!

Liathroidigloine wrote:

irishrugbyua wrote:Luis Faria(U19/Centre), Cian Prendergast(U19/Lock), Ronan Watters(U20/Backrow), Sean Galvin(U21/Wing) and James Kenny(U21/Scrumhalf) were all at Ireland training today.

Kenny is in background of this picture

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Kenny is the big 9 that played for Zaga, right? He looked decent at schools level.

Yeah missed almost all of last season due to injury.

PornDog wrote:

CM11 wrote:

Liathroidigloine wrote:

CM11 wrote:

Lazy Couch potato wrote:Story with max deegan leinsterites? Touch of the Ian nagles? I thought he was the next big thing?

When’s he out of contract....Arno Botha only has a years contract

I'd say Deegan might end up more like Copeland rather than Nagle if he doesn't properly make it.

You think? I think he's a super player. I'd be surprised if he doesn't pick up 50 Irish caps.

Did you miss the 'if'?

So what you're saying is, "if he doesn't end up being brilliant, he'll end up being decent" - you've really gone out on a limb there!

I think he's already decent and unlikely to have a worse career than Copeland. Did you miss the original question?

Nick McCarthy over Hugh O'Sullivan is the only quibble I'd have with the Leinster team.

Ringrose would be a fairly ideal player to throw in with a callow enough backline, only he's played a good deal of rugby.
Interested to see how Sweetnam and the backrow go.

ruckinhell wrote:

Nolanator wrote:We could likely beat the USA sending out the dregs, but that's not the point. See how McCloskey fits in with an established centre. How does Addison do at FB with an established winger. It's about fringe guys fitting in the The System and playing patterns etc.

Pack depth is less of an issue. Even the third choice guys are well able for this level and have plenty of experience at it. No noobs in the squad.


Roux and Arnold will be on early.

To be fair the US did beat Scotland this summer and are on a good run of form so no harm showing them a little bit of respect by beating them out the gate, which is what this team is well equipped to do.

Ah yeah, I was exaggerating a bit. Not taking them for granted, at all. I'd rather we beat them with some semblance of cohesion rather than throwing 15 lads on the field and having a few decent moments be enough to win the game. More important that the reserves bed into the gameplan etc. Beat them using The System, rather than just f**king around on the field and simply being better than them.

Nolanator wrote:

ruckinhell wrote:

Nolanator wrote:We could likely beat the USA sending out the dregs, but that's not the point. See how McCloskey fits in with an established centre. How does Addison do at FB with an established winger. It's about fringe guys fitting in the The System and playing patterns etc.

Pack depth is less of an issue. Even the third choice guys are well able for this level and have plenty of experience at it. No noobs in the squad.


Roux and Arnold will be on early.

To be fair the US did beat Scotland this summer and are on a good run of form so no harm showing them a little bit of respect by beating them out the gate, which is what this team is well equipped to do.

Ah yeah, I was exaggerating a bit. Not taking them for granted, at all. I'd rather we beat them with some semblance of cohesion rather than throwing 15 lads on the field and having a few decent moments be enough to win the game. More important that the reserves bed into the gameplan etc. Beat them using The System, rather than just f**king around on the field and simply being better than them.

The spread is 37 points which I think is mental but then I'm not familiar with US teams so don't know if this is a full strength panel.

I reckon the USA game will be much closer than people think

Will be interesting to watch their attack under Greg McWilliams ..... who himself will know Byrne/McGrath inside out

Ireland B by 20 is my guess

Interested to see how Penny goes tomorrow ...... to put it in perspective, there are lads in 5th and 6th year currently, across Michaels, Rock, Belvo etc, who have played with/against him during this calendar year!

Just shows you the narrowing gap between schools and the pro ranks.

I find it disconcerting tbh ..... our entire backrow isn’t long out of school

Nolanator wrote:

ruckinhell wrote:

Nolanator wrote:We could likely beat the USA sending out the dregs, but that's not the point. See how McCloskey fits in with an established centre. How does Addison do at FB with an established winger. It's about fringe guys fitting in the The System and playing patterns etc.

Pack depth is less of an issue. Even the third choice guys are well able for this level and have plenty of experience at it. No noobs in the squad.


Roux and Arnold will be on early.

To be fair the US did beat Scotland this summer and are on a good run of form so no harm showing them a little bit of respect by beating them out the gate, which is what this team is well equipped to do.

Ah yeah, I was exaggerating a bit. Not taking them for granted, at all. I'd rather we beat them with some semblance of cohesion rather than throwing 15 lads on the field and having a few decent moments be enough to win the game. More important that the reserves bed into the gameplan etc. Beat them using The System, rather than just f**king around on the field and simply being better than them.

Absolutely, as some of our salty northern colleagues can attest to in relation to Craig Gilroy, scoring a hat trick against weak opposition doesn't cut much mustard with Joe.

Did Luke Marshall ever recover from that intercept against Canada?

rfurlong wrote:I reckon the USA game will be much closer than people think

Will be interesting to watch their attack under Greg McWilliams ..... who himself will know Byrne/McGrath inside out

Ireland B by 20 is my guess

Interested to see how Penny goes tomorrow ...... to put it in perspective, there are lads in 5th and 6th year currently, across Michaels, Rock, Belvo etc, who have played with/against him during this calendar year!

Just shows you the narrowing gap between schools and the pro ranks.

I find it disconcerting tbh ..... our entire backrow isn’t long out of school

It’s a pretty strong Irish team, should be dominant in all areas . I see them winning by 40+


Edit: bookies calling it 37/38

danthefan wrote:Did Luke Marshall ever recover from that intercept against Canada?

I'm not sure he's ever recovered from not being given the ball for 72 minutes in a match against Australia then making three clean breaks the 3 times he ran the ball in the last 8 minutes after it was decided that we might be better to attack with the ball rather than kicking it away when 20 points down and then getting dropped the next week. But hey-ho.

earl the beaver wrote:

danthefan wrote:Did Luke Marshall ever recover from that intercept against Canada?

I'm not sure he's ever recovered from not being given the ball for 72 minutes in a match against Australia then making three clean breaks the 3 times he ran the ball in the last 8 minutes after it was decided that we might be better to attack with the ball rather than kicking it away when 20 points down and then getting dropped the next week. But hey-ho.

Go on Earl. Tell us he's as good as Ringrose.

Liathroidigloine wrote:

irishrugbyua wrote:Luis Faria(U19/Centre), Cian Prendergast(U19/Lock), Ronan Watters(U20/Backrow), Sean Galvin(U21/Wing) and James Kenny(U21/Scrumhalf) were all at Ireland training today.

Kenny is in background of this picture

Spoiler: show

Kenny is the big 9 that played for Zaga, right? He looked decent at schools level.

Is that the lad I was asking you about who I saw playing for Lansdowne under 20s?

Luckycharmer wrote:

Liathroidigloine wrote:

irishrugbyua wrote:Luis Faria(U19/Centre), Cian Prendergast(U19/Lock), Ronan Watters(U20/Backrow), Sean Galvin(U21/Wing) and James Kenny(U21/Scrumhalf) were all at Ireland training today.

Kenny is in background of this picture

Spoiler: show

Kenny is the big 9 that played for Zaga, right? He looked decent at schools level.

Is that the lad I was asking you about who I saw playing for Lansdowne under 20s?

not sure.. he does play for Lansdowne 20s

rfurlong wrote:I reckon the USA game will be much closer than people think

Will be interesting to watch their attack under Greg McWilliams ..... who himself will know Byrne/McGrath inside out

Ireland B by 20 is my guess

Interested to see how Penny goes tomorrow ...... to put it in perspective, there are lads in 5th and 6th year currently, across Michaels, Rock, Belvo etc, who have played with/against him during this calendar year!

Just shows you the narrowing gap between schools and the pro ranks.

I find it disconcerting tbh ..... our entire backrow isn’t long out of school

Please, the guts of the same team whooped Italy away. This should be a dawdle. Ringrose is there for continuity.

Luckycharmer wrote:

irishrugbyua wrote:

Luckycharmer wrote:IRUA- I watched a bit of Lansdowne under 20s v Blackrock under 20's last night it was like watching men vs boys. Lansdowne scrumhalf was a big enough lad, I think his surname is Kenny- any good?
Also I saw Ross byrne there with Lansdowne I was surprised by how slight he was.

Yeah James Kenny, he played Ireland u19 but missed most of last season, his Ireland u20 season with injury. He was involved with Leinster over the summer, not sure if he is still involved now though with sub-academy etc. How'd he play?

He was fine was just surprised by how big he was for a scrumhalf, as I said blackrock looked like schoolkids against grown men.

Yep same guy big lad for a scrumhalf.

earl the beaver wrote:

danthefan wrote:Did Luke Marshall ever recover from that intercept against Canada?

I'm not sure he's ever recovered from not being given the ball for 72 minutes in a match against Australia then making three clean breaks the 3 times he ran the ball in the last 8 minutes after it was decided that we might be better to attack with the ball rather than kicking it away when 20 points down and then getting dropped the next week. But hey-ho.

Is he really that useless? You make him sound useless.

He's still relatively young, but his career has been fairly destroyed by injury and concussion.
Shame, he's a really skillful player who could've made it had things gone differently.

Since McCarthy Leixited, should he be giving game time ahead of O'Sullivan?

I expect Ireland to win by 40.

The US front row will be fine. Paul Mullen from Aran Islands

It is a shame McGinty is not in.

The team is playing well. Major League rugby is making a big difference for the US.

And the US team is getting out in Dublin:

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Thanks to Eamon O’Grady and @ULdialogue, the Men’s Eagles opened #Thanksgiving with some rugby stars of @DlspEagles and Westmanstown Wasps.

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U.S. MEN'S NATIONAL TEAM STARTING ROSTER
1. Titi Lamositele Prop Saracens (ENG) 25
2. Joe Taufete'e Hooker Worcester Warriors (ENG) 18
3. Paul Mullen Prop unattached 5
4. Greg Peterson Lock Glasgow Warriors (SCO) 19
5. Nick Civetta Lock Doncaster Knights (ENG) 17
6. John Quill Flanker Glendale Raptors 29
7. Hanco Germishuys Flanker unattached 10
8. Cam Dolan No. 8 NOLA Gold 39
9. Shaun Davies Scrumhalf Glendale Raptors 18
10. Will Magie Flyhalf Glendale Raptors 18
11. Marcel Brache Wing Perth/Western Force (AUS) 11
12. Paul Lasike Center Harlequins (ENG) 8
13. Bryce Campbell Center London Irish (ENG) 20
14. Blaine Scully (C) Wing Cardiff Blues (WAL) 42
15. Will Hooley Fullback Bedford Blues (ENG) 6

U.S. MEN'S NATIONAL TEAM RESERVES
16. Dylan Fawsitt Reserve Old Blue New York / Rugby United New York 6
17. Chance Wenglewski Reserve Lindenwood University 0
18. Dino Waldren Reserve London Scottish (ENG) 14
19. Samu Manoa Reserve Cardiff Blues (WAL) 22
20. David Tameilau Reserve Glasgow Warriors (SCO) 11
21. Ruben de Haas Reserve Free State Cheetahs (RSA) 6
22. Gannon Moore Reserve North Harbour Rugby (NZL) 2
23. Ryan Matyas Reserve San Diego Legion 12

Floppykid wrote:He's still relatively young, but his career has been fairly destroyed by injury and concussion.
Shame, he's a really skillful player who could've made it had things gone differently.

I think he got f**ked around a bit (mainly by ulster) but he has to take some of the blame himself. McLaughlin preferred spence to the point he was going to leave before McL left. Anscombe wanted him as a bit of a bosher and when McCloskey emerged and cave dipped in pace it became essential that he was our defensive lynchpin to the detriment of his attack. Good player but just never realised his full potential for me. Others may know him better but he never came across as massively confident either. He will go down as an Ulster legend but in terms of where he is at the minute he’s miles behind.

It’s funny when you consider the careers of him and Farrell. It might have been best for Luke to get out of Ulster.

Floppykid wrote:Since McCarthy Leixited, should he be giving game time ahead of O'Sullivan?

probably but I guess they may need McCarthy for Europe so gotta keep him ticking over.

danthefan wrote:

earl the beaver wrote:

danthefan wrote:Did Luke Marshall ever recover from that intercept against Canada?

I'm not sure he's ever recovered from not being given the ball for 72 minutes in a match against Australia then making three clean breaks the 3 times he ran the ball in the last 8 minutes after it was decided that we might be better to attack with the ball rather than kicking it away when 20 points down and then getting dropped the next week. But hey-ho.

Go on Earl. Tell us he's as good as Ringrose.

He's like a fly to shite.

irishrugbyua wrote:

Floppykid wrote:Since McCarthy Leixited, should he be giving game time ahead of O'Sullivan?

probably but I guess they may need McCarthy for Europe so gotta keep him ticking over.

O'Sullivan's done well in any of his cameos.
Ah well, it's only a minor thing.

Squidge Rugby has done his piece on the BNZ game...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PkulltA94Bs


Also,

Eng vs BNZ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0zv0ymjDm-s
Wales vs Oz https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CZ8uogyNWm8


(The clarification of why Lawes was offside is delightfully amusing)

paddyor wrote:

rfurlong wrote:I reckon the USA game will be much closer than people think

Will be interesting to watch their attack under Greg McWilliams ..... who himself will know Byrne/McGrath inside out

Ireland B by 20 is my guess

Interested to see how Penny goes tomorrow ...... to put it in perspective, there are lads in 5th and 6th year currently, across Michaels, Rock, Belvo etc, who have played with/against him during this calendar year!

Just shows you the narrowing gap between schools and the pro ranks.

I find it disconcerting tbh ..... our entire backrow isn’t long out of school

Please, the guts of the same team whooped Italy away. This should be a dawdle. Ringrose is there for continuity.

That was Italy B

I think it’s time for another James Ryan try

https://twitter.com/stmcrugby/status/928924914077372417