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Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread
Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2019 12:11 pm
by SASP
Some of us rounder types knew.
Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread
Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2019 12:13 pm
by feckwanker
SASP wrote:It's very interesting seeing the improvements in Archer since Flannery took over the forwards.
I think he is starting games because he brings slightly more mobility around the park than Ryan and so long as he can now lock out the scrum he should get picked. Ryan ia great tight forward, good in the maul and a destructive scrummager, I'd hate to be a tired LH against him coming on fresh.
He's also cut out the stupid penalties that he was so prone to giving away. I thought his try saving action of putting himself between the post and ball at the weekend was great (particularly as he was technically offside at the time).
Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread
Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2019 12:19 pm
by Lenny
feckwanker wrote:SASP wrote:It's very interesting seeing the improvements in Archer since Flannery took over the forwards.
I think he is starting games because he brings slightly more mobility around the park than Ryan and so long as he can now lock out the scrum he should get picked. Ryan ia great tight forward, good in the maul and a destructive scrummager, I'd hate to be a tired LH against him coming on fresh.
He's also cut out the stupid penalties that he was so prone to giving away. I thought his try saving action of putting himself between the post and ball at the weekend was great (particularly as he was technically offside at the time).
Just saw his tackle stats for the weekend where he was second highest at 17 behind Stander (of course) at 21. He can now scrummage adequately and his meltdowns are way less frequent. I think Ryan’s time is managed carefully because of his illness, but I guarantee you he’ll start against Exeter, who have a far stronger scrum than Glaws.
Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread
Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2019 12:22 pm
by Willie Falloon
earl the beaver wrote:Some chat on uafc that Ulster want Coetzee to stay, IRFU have greenlit it and Coetzee would like to stay but his agent wants more money.
Coetzee is the boss over his agent. If he really wants to stay an arrangement can be made.
He has been outstanding this past month. Really getting back to his best. Literally the complete package. IMO, best 8 in the country.
Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread
Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2019 12:26 pm
by Banana Man
Willie Falloon wrote:earl the beaver wrote:Some chat on uafc that Ulster want Coetzee to stay, IRFU have greenlit it and Coetzee would like to stay but his agent wants more money.
Coetzee is the boss over his agent. If he really wants to stay an arrangement can be made.
He has been outstanding this past month. Really getting back to his best. Literally the complete package. IMO,
best 8 in the country.
Steady on there. Has barely played 10 games in a row in 4 years.
Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread
Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2019 12:28 pm
by unseenwork
Coetzee's just so good, really don't know what we're going to do if we have to replace him.
Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread
Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2019 12:29 pm
by earl the beaver
unseenwork wrote:Coetzee's just so good, really don't know what we're going to do if we have to replace him.
I don't think you could with out a marquee signing post RWC, he's world class.
Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread
Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2019 12:31 pm
by SASP
I almost spit out my tea when I read that.
Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread
Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2019 12:33 pm
by feckwanker
Willie Falloon wrote:earl the beaver wrote:Some chat on uafc that Ulster want Coetzee to stay, IRFU have greenlit it and Coetzee would like to stay but his agent wants more money.
Coetzee is the boss over his agent. If he really wants to stay an arrangement can be made.
He has been outstanding this past month. Really getting back to his best. Literally the complete package. IMO, best 8 in the country.
Jesus, when Willie goes in, he goes all in.
Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread
Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2019 12:33 pm
by Jumper
Banana Man wrote:Willie Falloon wrote:earl the beaver wrote:Some chat on uafc that Ulster want Coetzee to stay, IRFU have greenlit it and Coetzee would like to stay but his agent wants more money.
Coetzee is the boss over his agent. If he really wants to stay an arrangement can be made.
He has been outstanding this past month. Really getting back to his best. Literally the complete package. IMO,
best 8 in the country.
Steady on there. Has barely played 10 games in a row in 4 years.
He's no Jack Conan alright...
Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread
Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2019 12:35 pm
by earl the beaver
TBF Stander is great like but I'd be hard pressed to take him over a full fit and firing Coetzee. Guys like Coetzee are why Stander didn't get a shot in SA.
Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread
Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2019 12:41 pm
by feckwanker
earl the beaver wrote:TBF Stander is great like but I'd be hard pressed to take him over a full fit and firing Coetzee. Guys like Coetzee are why Stander didn't get a shot in SA.
Based on the few matches he's managed to string together? Pull the other one.....
Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread
Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2019 12:43 pm
by Yer Man
feckwanker wrote:earl the beaver wrote:TBF Stander is great like but I'd be hard pressed to take him over a full fit and firing Coetzee. Guys like Coetzee are why Stander didn't get a shot in SA.
Based on the few matches he's managed to string together? Pull the other one.....
Nah, based on him knocking Jamie Heaslip on his arse
Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread
Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2019 12:44 pm
by Willie Falloon
feckwanker wrote:earl the beaver wrote:TBF Stander is great like but I'd be hard pressed to take him over a full fit and firing Coetzee. Guys like Coetzee are why Stander didn't get a shot in SA.
Based on the few matches he's managed to string together? Pull the other one.....
Yeah, because, like Coetzee wasn't going to be Natal Sharks captain before he left SA, wasn't a capped Springbok when he was 20/21 and won a heap of MOTM awards at Super rugby. He was (I think) 17 caps by the time he was 23, amongst some quality backrowers.
There is a reason why Marcell came on a huge wage. He is a classy player, always has been.
Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread
Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2019 12:45 pm
by danthefan
Re. Zebo, French rugby journo on Second Captains yesterday saying his understanding is one 'fan' started abusing Zebo and was shut down by the supporters around him pretty sharpish. Seems it was just one idiot.
Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread
Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2019 12:45 pm
by Brumby_in_Vic
CJ played in a different province and position to Coetzee. CJ went to the Blue Bulls Currie Cup bench behind Arno Botha after he signed for Munster.
Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread
Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2019 12:49 pm
by irishrugbyua
Today's Vinnie Murray Cup 1st Round fixture:
CBC Monkstown v St Andrews
Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread
Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2019 12:49 pm
by unseenwork
Coetzee is a better, more rounded player. One made it as a Springbok, the other did not.
Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread
Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2019 12:51 pm
by Nolanator
feckwanker wrote:Willie Falloon wrote:earl the beaver wrote:Some chat on uafc that Ulster want Coetzee to stay, IRFU have greenlit it and Coetzee would like to stay but his agent wants more money.
Coetzee is the boss over his agent. If he really wants to stay an arrangement can be made.
He has been outstanding this past month. Really getting back to his best. Literally the complete package. IMO, best 8 in the country.
Jesus, when Willie goes in, he goes all in.
That's what she said?
Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread
Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2019 12:51 pm
by feckwanker
unseenwork wrote:Coetzee is a better, more rounded player. One made it as a Springbok, the other did not.
Where's the proof? If that's your opinion, then fine (you're wrong btw).
Stander was Ireland's player of the 6N last year I believe. That's a pretty high accolade. Because he didn't make it as a Springbok doesn't make Coetzee better - lots of Saffer fans were on here bemoaning seeing him playing in an Irish jersey when they saw how good his was.
Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread
Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2019 12:53 pm
by SASP
Look lads everyone know Coetzee is a quality player but he has just had a 2 year injury nightmare, lets just relax.
Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread
Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2019 12:54 pm
by feckwanker
Nolanator wrote:feckwanker wrote:Willie Falloon wrote:earl the beaver wrote:Some chat on uafc that Ulster want Coetzee to stay, IRFU have greenlit it and Coetzee would like to stay but his agent wants more money.
Coetzee is the boss over his agent. If he really wants to stay an arrangement can be made.
He has been outstanding this past month. Really getting back to his best. Literally the complete package. IMO, best 8 in the country.
Jesus, when Willie goes in, he goes all in.
That's what she said?
Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread
Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2019 12:58 pm
by earl the beaver
feckwanker wrote:earl the beaver wrote:TBF Stander is great like but I'd be hard pressed to take him over a full fit and firing Coetzee. Guys like Coetzee are why Stander didn't get a shot in SA.
Based on the few matches he's managed to string together? Pull the other one.....
He's played 16 games this season and before he signed for Ulster he had what, just shy of 30 caps for SA as a 24 year old?
Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread
Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2019 1:02 pm
by Brumby_in_Vic
unseenwork wrote:Coetzee is a better, more rounded player. One made it as a Springbok, the other did not.
Since when did Coetzee play as an out and out 8 in SA? CJ despite his SA under age career was coached by a dinosaur in senior Rugby who tried to turn him in to a hooker. Now the Boks have a light weight Whiteley good leader but would get sorted due to his lack of physicality and injury record. Duane Vermeulen is busted.
Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread
Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2019 1:04 pm
by unseenwork
Brumby_in_Vic wrote:unseenwork wrote:Coetzee is a better, more rounded player. One made it as a Springbok, the other did not.
Since when did Coetzee play as an out and out 8 in SA?
Was just talking generally really, and it is just my opinion.
(Which is skewed a bit by my anti Stander bias, but I do think Coetzee has more strings to his bow, and is just that bit more of a monster)
Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread
Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2019 1:13 pm
by sewa
Brumby_in_Vic wrote:unseenwork wrote:Coetzee is a better, more rounded player. One made it as a Springbok, the other did not.
Since when did Coetzee play as an out and out 8 in SA? CJ despite his SA under age career was coached by a dinosaur in senior Rugby who tried to turn him in to a hooker. Now the Boks have a light weight Whiteley good leader but would get sorted due to his lack of physicality and injury record. Duane Vermeulen is busted.
You think any of the Ulster fans here watch Super Rugby? They barely watch Ulster's games
Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread
Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2019 1:16 pm
by cfm93
Leinster have said McGrath is out for up to 8 weeks.
Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread
Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2019 1:20 pm
by danthefan
Have to say I thought Coetzee was outstanding at the weekend. He makes such a massive difference to the Ulster pack.
Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread
Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2019 1:39 pm
by hermie
sewa wrote:Brumby_in_Vic wrote:unseenwork wrote:Coetzee is a better, more rounded player. One made it as a Springbok, the other did not.
Since when did Coetzee play as an out and out 8 in SA? CJ despite his SA under age career was coached by a dinosaur in senior Rugby who tried to turn him in to a hooker. Now the Boks have a light weight Whiteley good leader but would get sorted due to his lack of physicality and injury record. Duane Vermeulen is busted.
You think any of the Ulster fans here watch Super Rugby? They barely watch Ulster's games
Coetzee
was world class before he arrived on these shores. I don't think it's the Ulster fans displaying ignorance here.
Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread
Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2019 1:40 pm
by Liathroidigloine
Sexton out again this week according to MK.
Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread
Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2019 1:43 pm
by Mr. Very Popular
danthefan wrote:Have to say I thought Coetzee was outstanding at the weekend. He makes such a massive difference to the Ulster pack.
He was brilliant, stuck he head into places most people wouldn’t even look into.
Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread
Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2019 1:43 pm
by sewa
hermie wrote:sewa wrote:
You think any of the Ulster fans here watch Super Rugby? They barely watch Ulster's games
Coetzee
was world class before he arrived on these shores. I don't think it's the Ulster fans displaying ignorance here.
I have made no comment on Coetzee as I am a big fan of his. The Ulster lads however are gone way OTT trying to compare him to CJ given their respective careers over the past few years.
Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread
Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2019 1:44 pm
by Willie Falloon
Mr. Very Popular wrote:danthefan wrote:Have to say I thought Coetzee was outstanding at the weekend. He makes such a massive difference to the Ulster pack.
He was brilliant, stuck he head into places most people wouldn’t even look into.
Up there with Ferris at his peak!
Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread
Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2019 1:45 pm
by Banana Man
I dont think anyone is doubting his quality. Everyone recognised how good a signing he would be - but has has played I think 20 games in 3 years for Ulster.
Calling him the best 8 in Ireland is a bit much for me.
Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread
Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2019 1:45 pm
by Lenny
hermie wrote:sewa wrote:Brumby_in_Vic wrote:unseenwork wrote:Coetzee is a better, more rounded player. One made it as a Springbok, the other did not.
Since when did Coetzee play as an out and out 8 in SA? CJ despite his SA under age career was coached by a dinosaur in senior Rugby who tried to turn him in to a hooker. Now the Boks have a light weight Whiteley good leader but would get sorted due to his lack of physicality and injury record. Duane Vermeulen is busted.
You think any of the Ulster fans here watch Super Rugby? They barely watch Ulster's games
Coetzee
was world class before he arrived on these shores. I don't think it's the Ulster fans displaying ignorance here.
Stander once again topped Munsters tackle and carry stats at the weekend, Tbh I’m not sure any more that 30 Springbok caps tops 29 Irish ones.
Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread
Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2019 1:51 pm
by sewa
Willie Falloon wrote:Mr. Very Popular wrote:danthefan wrote:Have to say I thought Coetzee was outstanding at the weekend. He makes such a massive difference to the Ulster pack.
He was brilliant, stuck he head into places most people wouldn’t even look into.
Up there with Ferris at his peak!
Given how brilliant all your players were I imagine you must have hammered Racing?
Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread
Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2019 2:11 pm
by irishrugbyua
Paddy Patterson has been added to the Euro squad in place of Nick McCarthy.
Seán O'Brien back 'full training', as are Rob Kearney, Devin Toner, Dan Leavy and Robbie Henshaw
Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread
Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2019 2:16 pm
by Jumper
irishrugbyua wrote:Paddy Patterson has been added to the Euro squad in place of Nick McCarthy.
Seán O'Brien back 'full training', as are Rob Kearney, Devin Toner, Dan Leavy and Robbie Henshaw
Is McCarthy injured?
Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread
Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2019 2:17 pm
by Liathroidigloine
irishrugbyua wrote:Paddy Patterson has been added to the Euro squad in place of Nick McCarthy.
Seán O'Brien back 'full training', as are Rob Kearney, Devin Toner, Dan Leavy and Robbie Henshaw
No medical joker for us then!
It really looks as if lads were rested last week.
Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread
Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2019 2:19 pm
by irishrugbyua
Liathroidigloine wrote:irishrugbyua wrote:Paddy Patterson has been added to the Euro squad in place of Nick McCarthy.
Seán O'Brien back 'full training', as are Rob Kearney, Devin Toner, Dan Leavy and Robbie Henshaw
No medical joker for us then!
It really looks as if lads were rested last week.
Leinster healthy 9's:
Jamison Gibson Park(26)
Hugh O'Sullivan(20) - 6 senior caps(89 minutes)
Paddy Patterson(20) - 1 senior cap(12 minutes)