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1. We fully deserved to lose. We got on the wrong said of the ref very early on and stayed on his bad side.
2. I am extremely disappointed in Joe Schmidt. Not for us losing and not for all the mistakes, but for leaving Johnny Sexton on for that long. After about 50 minutes I stopped blaming Johnny. He’s human and has bad days (albeit this one being diabolical). Schmidt showed zero respect to Jack Carty by leaving Sexton on for so long. That is bad coaching. I truly believe Schmidt has no motivation.
3. We’ve no trustworthy back up options at hooker, scrum half and fly half. Back to my second point but this is Joe’s wrong doing. Yes Sexton and Best are well known, experienced players. However, when it gets that bad, you need to trust your back up options. This is why we don’t have back up options in these positions.

Flametop wrote:

Ulsters Red Hand wrote:Larmour looked like he was about to celebrate then realised what the score was

In fairness, he just scored his first Six Nations try and it really wasn’t his mess to clean up.

I know. Just made me laugh

I think it's safe to say that it's baby out with the bathwater time.

Right lads

Time to panic?

We badly need Leavy , Hendy and Henshaw back into that side

bw245 wrote:1. We fully deserved to lose. We got on the wrong said of the ref very early on and stayed on his bad side.
2. I am extremely disappointed in Joe Schmidt. Not for us losing and not for all the mistakes, but for leaving Johnny Sexton on for that long. After about 50 minutes I stopped blaming Johnny. He’s human and has bad days (albeit this one being diabolical). Schmidt showed zero respect to Jack Carty by leaving Sexton on for so long. That is bad coaching. I truly believe Schmidt has no motivation.
3. We’ve no trustworthy back up options at hooker, scrum half and fly half. Back to my second point but this is Joe’s wrong doing. Yes Sexton and Best are well known, experienced players. However, when it gets that bad, you need to trust your back up options. This is why we don’t have back up options in these positions.

I believe this is called eddieosullivanitis

Bowens wrote:

fishooks15 wrote:If Earls was making the errors Stockdale has made today you’d have lads calling for him to never play for us again

Stockdale isn’t great playing off the back foot. Can be pressured into mistakes.

Also someone with genuine speed might have finished off that cross-kick in the first half.

Don’t get me wrong, he’s solid, just not world class.

Imo none of the outside backs take much responsibility for that shitshow. They had no chance. I don't really know how you can take Stockdale's performances for Ireland so far in aggregate and summarise them as 'solid'.

iarmhiman wrote:Right lads

Time to panic?

We badly need Leavy , Hendy and Henshaw back into that side

Yes, yes, wouldn’t have made any difference.

Play like that in the WC and both Scotland AND Japan will beat us. Horgan was right, this has all the hallmarks of 2007 all over again.

Armchair_Superstar wrote:

CM11 wrote:

Armchair_Superstar wrote:Our best coach ever, but we’ve finally Irished Joe. Far too much faith in the same old players and he has over complicated everything instead of just setting a standard and then axing players.

Short ceremonial farewell tour to Japan in the Autumn.

I'd love if it was just over complication. It's been just basic shite in every facet.

Look at the play with Aki off the back of the scrum, perfect example. Comes back blind on a pre-planned move, Navidi blocks his passing option and he gets milled by the cover. Muck.

Error there was not pulling out of the move. Nothing too complicated about the move itself.

iarmhiman wrote:Right lads

Time to panic?

We badly need Leavy , Hendy and Henshaw back into that side

We will be blessed to have a side that strong in a World Cup quarter.

There are fundamental problems with this team that go way beyond the personnel.

iarmhiman wrote:Right lads

Time to panic?

We badly need Leavy , Hendy and Henshaw back into that side

Schmidt is the issue. Sexton's petulance is a problem, bit only because Schmidt panders to him. Schmidt has been our best ever coach, but once he announced he was leaving things went to shit.

CM11 wrote:

Armchair_Superstar wrote:

CM11 wrote:

Armchair_Superstar wrote:Our best coach ever, but we’ve finally Irished Joe. Far too much faith in the same old players and he has over complicated everything instead of just setting a standard and then axing players.

Short ceremonial farewell tour to Japan in the Autumn.

I'd love if it was just over complication. It's been just basic shite in every facet.

Look at the play with Aki off the back of the scrum, perfect example. Comes back blind on a pre-planned move, Navidi blocks his passing option and he gets milled by the cover. Muck.

Error there was not pulling out of the move. Nothing too complicated about the move itself.

Too reliant on the moves working as planned.

danthefan wrote:Imo none of the outside backs take much responsibility for that shitshow. They had no chance. I don't really know how you can take Stockdale's performances for Ireland so far in aggregate and summarise them as 'solid'.

Earls played pretty well today. Stockdale was very good last season, but I think he has limitations when Ireland aren’t on the ascendency.

Jumper wrote:

iarmhiman wrote:Right lads

Time to panic?

We badly need Leavy , Hendy and Henshaw back into that side

Schmidt is the issue. Sexton's petulance is a problem, bit only because Schmidt panders to him. Schmidt has been our best ever coach, but once he announced he was leaving things went to shit.

This. He’s circling the wagons like EOS and Kidney did.

2, 7, 9,10,12 and 15 need a serious look at before the RWC.

I don’t think Farrell is the answer either.

Bowens wrote:

danthefan wrote:Imo none of the outside backs take much responsibility for that shitshow. They had no chance. I don't really know how you can take Stockdale's performances for Ireland so far in aggregate and summarise them as 'solid'.

Earls played pretty well today. Stockdale was very good last season, but I think he has limitations when Ireland aren’t on the ascendency.

Yet he scores tries for fun for Ulster and we're shit.

Can’t really comment on his domestic form. I’ll take your word for it.

Some won’t acknowledge it, but Sexton is playing like ROG at the end. Apart from set moves, everything is done at jogging pace and the team gets swallowed.

It may be that he’s still not fit, but if he isn’t he shouldn’t be playing.

CM11 wrote:

Armchair_Superstar wrote:

CM11 wrote:

Armchair_Superstar wrote:Our best coach ever, but we’ve finally Irished Joe. Far too much faith in the same old players and he has over complicated everything instead of just setting a standard and then axing players.

Short ceremonial farewell tour to Japan in the Autumn.

I'd love if it was just over complication. It's been just basic shite in every facet.

Look at the play with Aki off the back of the scrum, perfect example. Comes back blind on a pre-planned move, Navidi blocks his passing option and he gets milled by the cover. Muck.

Error there was not pulling out of the move. Nothing too complicated about the move itself.

He is already running sideways, against a rush defence, 5m behind his own scrum, because it’s a pre-planned move. He can’t just ‘pull out’ of it.

You really need an attitude or perspective that no player/s are nailed on.

Given form, injuries etc, all players no matter their prior performances can drop off and it has to be case that there's a realistic chance that they'll lose their place given such an eventuality.

There should be at least the very real possibilty that neither Murray or Sexton make a WC 23 - against Scotland or SA.

I know this is an oversimplification but if you're a team that likes to have the ball all the time and you're playing a team who are happy to never have the ball, why in the fudge would you make a decision before the game that makes it hard for you to do the thing you can do and easier for the other team to do the thing they like to do?
fudge this game and fudge f**king prince William with his patronising clapping and fudge that guy in the facepaint with a dragon on his head.

earl the beaver wrote:

Ulsters Red Hand wrote:Roux has worked hard since he came on

Bierne doesn't have the grunt.

Murray hasn't been right all tournament, Bests form is getting worse every match, we've missed Toner desperately, and Lady luck, after shining on us last year, has decided no more.

The one I'm most worried about is Bestie. Both Murray and Sexton will come back to form, and Toner will be back from injury.

We also played the wrong second and BR for the conditions, but the scrum was one area we had some joy in.

Wales got ahead, and stayed ahead, and played Gardner like a fiddle (and I mean that as a complement).

Left us chasing the match in horrible conditions, and that never ends well.

Conservative Eddie wrote:You really need an attitude or perspective that no player/s are nailed on.

Given form, injuries etc, all players no matter their prior performances can drop off and it has to be case that there's a realistic chance that they'll lose their place given such an eventuality.

There should be at least the very real possibilty that neither Murray or Sexton make a WC 23 - against Scotland or SA.

Murray has a bit left in him. Sexton is a goner.

Roux showed we we lacked in the second row btw. Called the lineout, hit rocks, shouted up the Scrum. Bierne is a good second row but hes not got the grunt at this level.

Right
Lets all calm down
We have better players, far better players than a welsh team that has just won a grand slam
We need to regroup have a massive inhouse discussion to sort out whatever shit needs sorted out and then win the world cup
Only thing i will say is
If murray plays again this year its a disgrace
If sexton is rested again this yeat its a disgrace

Flametop wrote:

Jumper wrote:

iarmhiman wrote:Right lads

Time to panic?

We badly need Leavy , Hendy and Henshaw back into that side

Schmidt is the issue. Sexton's petulance is a problem, bit only because Schmidt panders to him. Schmidt has been our best ever coach, but once he announced he was leaving things went to shit.

This. He’s circling the wagons like EOS and Kidney did.

2, 7, 9,10,12 and 15 need a serious look at before the RWC.

I don’t think Farrell is the answer either.

Maybe not in the long-term, but this Irish side needs change at the moment. Things are stale. If Schmidt isn't winning, his approach is oppressive.

I'm not sure you can judge 11-15 today. Stockdale looked uncomfortable defensively, but that's nothing new, just disappointing he couldn't make his try-scoring opportunity count today.

But the backs barely had any ball, and definitely no decent ball.

The forwards were lacking in power and discipline today, the backrow were poor (all 3 of them) and the halfbacks have been poor all tournament.

Joe is still a great coach, but the substitutions have always been his weakness, especially regarding the halfbacks. Today just emphasised this, and it's very disappointing.

iarmhiman wrote:Right lads

Time to panic?

We badly need Leavy , Hendy and Henshaw back into that side

And Toner too.

It's been an awful long time since I've said "at least we weren't nilled" after a 5/6N game

In the privacy of our own thread
By fùck i hate the welsh

bw245 wrote:

Conservative Eddie wrote:You really need an attitude or perspective that no player/s are nailed on.

Given form, injuries etc, all players no matter their prior performances can drop off and it has to be case that there's a realistic chance that they'll lose their place given such an eventuality.

There should be at least the very real possibilty that neither Murray or Sexton make a WC 23 - against Scotland or SA.

Murray has a bit left in him. Sexton is a goner.

Sexton's attitude is the real worry for me. His petulance filters through the squad and poisons everything around him.

He is Schmidt's eyes and ears on the field, and will never be dropped while he is in charge regardless of performance.

Not even Furlong is the dominant figure of the past few years. I’m sure he’ll come back to form though.

Best is old.

SOB is done at this level. Back row very one paced today.

Half backs are both desperately out of form. Murray will find his form again. Sexton I’m not sure. He’s getting on.

Very hard for any of the backs to excel with all that going on.

You wonder how many journos stopped watching on 58mins to pen the obituary. Look forward to Andy Dunne putting himself forward for Ireland coach in the near future.

Anyway, game. Despite Gardiner being at least 58% bent it's a proper Hans Moleman to make that the narrative. Despite having the ball rammed up our collective arses in Cardiff three times in a row now there's still a feeling they're average and we got this. Reality is there's not much between the top three and we're not right atm.

Better now than November. We're still good for a RWC quarter and fingers crossed we're in the groove by then.

There is no way we are going to get out of this funk before Japan. The players have an issue with Schmidt leaving and Farrell taking over. I don't see how you can get that bad so quickly. It all happened after Schmidt announced he was leaving. I reckon there's a change in Schmidt's motivation and I imagine he is tired too. Not acceptable though.

Right now I'm just praying that Sexton carries this form into the european quarter final.

We have lost the collisions all tournament. Healy had a mini meltdown today and Furlong seems like he is in witness protection. These are not bad players. I think there is a problem with the coaching.

camroc1 wrote:

earl the beaver wrote:

Ulsters Red Hand wrote:Roux has worked hard since he came on

Bierne doesn't have the grunt.

Murray hasn't been right all tournament, Bests form is getting worse every match, we've missed Toner desperately, and Lady luck, after shining on us last year, has decided no more.

The one I'm most worried about is Bestie. Both Murray and Sexton will come back to form, and Toner will be back from injury.

We also played the wrong second and BR for the conditions, but the scrum was one area we had some joy in.

Wales got ahead, and stayed ahead, and played Gardner like a fiddle (and I mean that as a complement).

Left us chasing the match in horrible conditions, and that never ends well.

Murray put in about his worst performance in six or seven years against Exeter in the Heino.

He hasn't improved upon that since. I'd question whether he's been psychologically effected by his recent injuries or perhaps something else. He's making poor decisions - seems almost shook at times on the pitch. It's pretty damn worrying looking at his body language at the moment.

This was a drubbing, but think posters are going overboard. We were soundly beaten by two superb sides. If you are off at this level, you’ll get beaten.

We are one of the most structured teams in the game. Any hiccups in our set-piece which is the foundation of our game simply will not allow us to use our strike moves, get into our phase game and build momentum. Most teams go back to their structures when struggling, but if our structures are creaking, we really havent anything else to call upon..certainly no counter attacking game to speak off. We can go along way to fixing the set-piece by starting proven lineout callers and being more disciplined at scrum time.

The English game knocked some belief out of the side, and Murray and Sexton’s lousy form as princple leaders never allowed us to play with much conviction this campaign. The form of our 1/2 backs is a real concern. Their lack of confidence seems to have spread but there is time between now and the RWC. Time however is not in Kearney or SOB’s side and am doubtful their games can get back to the heights required.

Stone wrote:We have lost the collisions all tournament. Healy had a mini meltdown today and Furlong seems like he is in witness protection. These are not bad players. I think there is a problem with the coaching.

Fully agree. They don't become bad players that quickly. Issue is with Schmidt leaving and Farrell taking over.

Best is nearly 37.
Why are we so surprised, we all get a birthday every year?

Anyway, fair play to Wales and Gatland

For all the criticism the Wales coaching team get, all three have excellent records

3 Grand Slams, one Lions tour win and one draw

Brian9848 wrote:This was a drubbing, but think posters are going overboard. We were soundly beaten by two superb sides. If you are off at this level, you’ll get beaten.

We are one of the most structured teams in the game. Any hiccups in our set-piece which is the foundation of our game simply will not allow us to use our strike moves, get into our phase game and build momentum. Most teams go back to their structures when struggling, but if our structures are creaking, we really havent anything else to call upon..certainly no counter attacking game to speak off. We can go along way to fixing the set-piece by starting proven lineout callers and being more disciplined at scrum time.

The English game knocked some belief out of the side, and Murray and Sexton’s lousy form as princple leaders never allowed us to play with much conviction this campaign. The form of our 1/2 backs is a real concern. Their lack of confidence seems to have spread but there is time between now and the RWC. Time however is not in Kearney or SOB’s side and am doubtful their games can get back to the heights required.

We were demolished by two superb teams, but we're also supposed to be a superb team. It's not good enough.