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PostPosted: Tue May 21, 2019 4:48 pm 
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Leinster Rugby – New Senior Contracts 2019/20:

1. Bryan Byrne, 41 Leinster Caps (LC), 12 Leinster Tries (T)
2. Jack Conan, 14 Ireland Caps (IC), 88 LC, 21 T
3. Max Deegan, 45 LC, 11 T
4. Scott Fardy, 39 Australia Caps, 43 LC, 9 T
5. Ciarán Frawley, 14 LC, 1 T
6. Jamison Gibson-Park, 70 LC, 15 T
7. Cian Healy, 2 British & Irish Lions Caps (BIL), 88 IC, 2017 LC, 22 T
8. Robbie Henshaw, 4 BIL, 37 IC, 36 LC, 7 T
9. Dave Kearney, 17 IC, 136 LC, 29 T
10. Hugo Keenan, 5 LC, 1 T
11. Cian Kelleher, 7 LC, 1 T
12. Rónan Kelleher, 2 LC
13. Dan Leavy, 11 IC, 63 LC, 16 T
14. Fergus McFadden, 34 IC, 178 LC, 27 T
15. Luke McGrath, 10 IC, 112 LC, 29 T
16. Josh Murphy, 21 LC, 1 T
17. Conor O’Brien, 17 LC, 6 T
18. Jimmy O’Brien, 7 LC, 3 T
19. Hugh O’Sullivan, 14 LC
20. Scott Penny, 6 LC, 2 T
21. Johnny Sexton, 14 BIL, 83 IC, 159 LC, 25 T

Academy Players Promoted to Senior Squad;

1. Ciarán Frawley
2. Hugo Keenan
3. Rónan Kelleher
4. Conor O’Brien
5. Jimmy O’Brien
6. Hugh O’Sullivan
7. Scott Penny


The conveyor belt is chugging along nicely. 3 or 4 of those lads could be first choicers in the next 3 years.


While they’ll likely be good players, replacing Sexton, SOB (when in form), Healy etc is going to be some task

Is that basically confirmation RK is gone as well?

Rumours of interest from France, but whether that's real or just Rob playing hardball, you wouldn't be sure.


Kearney's hardly in a great position to play hardball. Unless he bleeds blue and couldn't play for anyone else, he'd be silly to turn down decent money abroad if a French team is willing to throw money at him (although I wouldn't, if I was them).


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PostPosted: Tue May 21, 2019 4:58 pm 
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Plenty of talent coming in underage rugby at LH Prop, Openside and Outhalf.

Highlighted by Jack Boyle(u18), Scott Penny(u20) and Harry Byrne(u20)


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PostPosted: Tue May 21, 2019 5:10 pm 
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Sad that COB will be twiddling his thumbs next season, waiting for Tomane to push off. Henshaw, Ringrose for the big games and ROL, Tomane for the league; COB holding tackle bags. You'd have to wonder about that signing.


why would they play Tomane just for the sake of it?

COB will get plenty of game time unless Tomane's form dramatically improves.

shocking signing thus far for sure, but best not to chase the notion of getting some return on investment unless he actually warrants his place in the team above COB, purely on form grounds


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Sad that COB will be twiddling his thumbs next season, waiting for Tomane to push off. Henshaw, Ringrose for the big games and ROL, Tomane for the league; COB holding tackle bags. You'd have to wonder about that signing.


why would they play Tomane just for the sake of it?

COB will get plenty of game time unless Tomane's form dramatically improves.

shocking signing thus far for sure, but best not to chase the notion of getting some return on investment unless he actually warrants his place in the team above COB, purely on form grounds

This.

Leinster won't play him just because he's NIQ, if we have better from the Academy.

More likely to loan him to somewhere like Munster that need some outside backs.


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PostPosted: Tue May 21, 2019 5:22 pm 
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Perhaps you weren't paying attention to how selection went prior to and after Tomane's period out injured?


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Fullback is a huge area of concern if Rob pisses off. We've basically Larmour and no one else. And there are still a few question marks over Larmour as a 15 even at that. Has Kelleher played at a lot at 15 for Connacht? He's not much taller than Larmour in any case.


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PostPosted: Tue May 21, 2019 6:20 pm 
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Could Tomane be wedged into FB?
Solve a couple of issues.


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Could Tomane be wedged into FB?
Solve a couple of issues.


Sweet Christ no.


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PostPosted: Tue May 21, 2019 6:24 pm 
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Sad that COB will be twiddling his thumbs next season, waiting for Tomane to push off. Henshaw, Ringrose for the big games and ROL, Tomane for the league; COB holding tackle bags. You'd have to wonder about that signing.


why would they play Tomane just for the sake of it?

COB will get plenty of game time unless Tomane's form dramatically improves.

shocking signing thus far for sure, but best not to chase the notion of getting some return on investment unless he actually warrants his place in the team above COB, purely on form grounds

This.

Leinster won't play him just because he's NIQ, if we have better from the Academy.

More likely to loan him to somewhere like Munster that need some outside backs.

I hope for your sake M Bent's mrs is not reading you guys dissing Tomane.


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Sad that COB will be twiddling his thumbs next season, waiting for Tomane to push off. Henshaw, Ringrose for the big games and ROL, Tomane for the league; COB holding tackle bags. You'd have to wonder about that signing.


why would they play Tomane just for the sake of it?

COB will get plenty of game time unless Tomane's form dramatically improves.

shocking signing thus far for sure, but best not to chase the notion of getting some return on investment unless he actually warrants his place in the team above COB, purely on form grounds

This.

Leinster won't play him just because he's NIQ, if we have better from the Academy.

More likely to loan him to somewhere like Munster that need some outside backs.

I hope for your sake My Bent's mrs is not reading you guys dissing Tomane.


Jaysus, is your missus bent?


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PostPosted: Tue May 21, 2019 6:37 pm 
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Fullback is a huge area of concern if Rob pisses off. We've basically Larmour and no one else. And there are still a few question marks over Larmour as a 15 even at that. Has Kelleher played at a lot at 15 for Connacht? He's not much taller than Larmour in any case.


What happened Hugo Keenan? And Barry Daly can play 15 too, no?


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PostPosted: Tue May 21, 2019 6:39 pm 
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Trostan wrote:
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Sad that COB will be twiddling his thumbs next season, waiting for Tomane to push off. Henshaw, Ringrose for the big games and ROL, Tomane for the league; COB holding tackle bags. You'd have to wonder about that signing.


why would they play Tomane just for the sake of it?

COB will get plenty of game time unless Tomane's form dramatically improves.

shocking signing thus far for sure, but best not to chase the notion of getting some return on investment unless he actually warrants his place in the team above COB, purely on form grounds

This.

Leinster won't play him just because he's NIQ, if we have better from the Academy.

More likely to loan him to somewhere like Munster that need some outside backs.

I hope for your sake My Bent's mrs is not reading you guys dissing Tomane.


Jaysus, is your missus bent?

:blush: :lol: tried to edit that, anyway anyone that doesn't rate Tomane is a wacist/elitist according to Mrs Bent.
The very idea of supporters wanting well paid chaps to play well.


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PostPosted: Tue May 21, 2019 6:41 pm 
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it'll be interesting to gauge Tomanes form after a proper pre season and an injury free run ..... he could well turn out to be the asset we thought he was going to be, based on his Montpellier appearances.

having said that, I think form will be rewarded, and if COB is playing better then he will be played ahead of Tomane, simple as ....


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PostPosted: Tue May 21, 2019 8:09 pm 
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Looks like Brian Deeny will miss JWC due to injury.

Tomane was a poor signing, needs a huge turnaround in form to change that.


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PostPosted: Tue May 21, 2019 8:21 pm 
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Fullback is a huge area of concern if Rob pisses off. We've basically Larmour and no one else. And there are still a few question marks over Larmour as a 15 even at that. Has Kelleher played at a lot at 15 for Connacht? He's not much taller than Larmour in any case.


What happened Hugo Keenan? And Barry Daly can play 15 too, no?


Nothing, Keenan was just promoted from academy to senior squad. Daly can too.

potential senior 15 cover next season if Rob leaves:

Dave Kearney(30) - 136 leinster caps, 17 ireland caps
Barry Daly(27) - 36 caps
Robbie Henshaw(26) - 36 leinster caps, 77 connacht caps, 37 ireland caps
Cian Kelleher(25) - 7 leinster caps, 54 connacht caps
Hugo Keenan(23) - 5 caps
Jimmy O'Brien(22) - 7 caps
Jordan Larmour(22) - 38 leinster caps, 13 ireland caps
Ciaran Frawley(21) - 14 caps


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Comparisons between pro and amateur players are utterly pointless. They were totally different sports.


Yup, completely different



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PostPosted: Tue May 21, 2019 9:42 pm 
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If anyone's arsed just compare attendances in Thomond, Ravenhill and RDS and leave out the likes of Musgrave and Lansdowne as they skew figures. I'd imagine they're all quite similar.


I already did it. Leinster and Ulster are very similar. Munster averaged ~5k more than both per game in their home stadium.

It's not the best metric though.


Well there you have it. Best fans in the world. :smug:

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Don't know if it's been flagged here yet but Billy Holland's baby daughter died earlier today.


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Don't know if it's been flagged here yet but Billy Holland's young daughter died earlier today.

Oh that's awful.

RIP


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PostPosted: Tue May 21, 2019 10:03 pm 
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Don't know if it's been flagged here yet but Billy Holland's young daughter died earlier today.

Oh that's awful.

RIP

Ah no. Terrible news.
RIP.


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PostPosted: Tue May 21, 2019 10:07 pm 
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Don't know if it's been flagged here yet but Billy Holland's baby daughter died earlier today.

Yes but didn't want to post it here.


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Ach no Jesus the poor thing. Heart goes out to him and the whole family.


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Terrible news.

:( :(


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PostPosted: Tue May 21, 2019 10:13 pm 
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Very sad news.


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Sad news, RIP


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Awful stuff.


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What an awful thing for a family. RIP.


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Don't know if it's been flagged here yet but Billy Holland's baby daughter died earlier today.

Ah Jesus, that's just awful. Poor family.

Was his absence from the Leinster game related to this?


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PostPosted: Wed May 22, 2019 12:15 am 
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The Holland baby sadly passed away on Saturday

Funeral was today. It was why he pulled out of Munster squad

Didn't want to put it up until it was out in the open. I believe she had been quite ill since birth


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Thats dreadful news
Heart goes out to that family


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Ah dear, dreadful new thoughts are with the family.


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Who was the better player, SOB or David Wallace?


Denis McBride.


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apparently Nucifora is going to try and be more active in moving players around provinces when they come out of school.. x(

also he has been slow to approve one of the provinces academy intake.


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PostPosted: Wed May 22, 2019 8:35 am 
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Irish Times. Think you might be picking a battle you won't win there Rob.

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Rob Kearney remains the only Leinster player out of contract next season. The most-decorated Irish rugby player – two Grand Slams, four European titles and a test Lion – remains in negotiations with the IRFU for a national deal.

The Irish Times understands that Kearney will not drop down to a Leinster contract. If talks break down with IRFU performance director David Nucifora, the 33-year-old fullback could join a club in France, England or even Japan.


They also say SOB is on close to 600k euro per season at LI which is just insanity. Who the fudge signed off on that.


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PostPosted: Wed May 22, 2019 8:39 am 
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Irish Times. Think you might be picking a battle you won't win there Rob.

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Rob Kearney remains the only Leinster player out of contract next season. The most-decorated Irish rugby player – two Grand Slams, four European titles and a test Lion – remains in negotiations with the IRFU for a national deal.

The Irish Times understands that Kearney will not drop down to a Leinster contract. If talks break down with IRFU performance director David Nucifora, the 33-year-old fullback could join a club in France, England or even Japan.


They also say SOB is on close to 600k euro per season at LI which is just insanity. Who the fudge signed off on that.



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PostPosted: Wed May 22, 2019 8:40 am 
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"From what I hear the IRFU are putting pressure on Munster to reduce the numbers in their squad, much like they were a few years ago when I was involved.It’s a strange year to reduce the size of the squad with the World Cup hopefully taking some internationals away from Munster at the beginning of the season.

If the last World Cup is anything to go by there is bound to be an injury or two, not something that I am hoping for but it is part and parcel of a very physically demanding game at the moment."


https://www.rte.ie/sport/rugby/2019/052 ... -is-vital/

Yes Johnny, it's called forcing Munster to use their academy.


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apparently Nucifora is going to try and be more active in moving players around provinces when they come out of school.. x(

also he has been slow to approve one of the provinces academy intake.

Where's that coming from?

It's a dreadful idea tbh. Moving lads who've gone through the academy about is one thing but it's just going to be used to conceal how appalling Munster (well, Limerick) has become at producing talent.


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irishrugbyua wrote:
apparently Nucifora is going to try and be more active in moving players around provinces when they come out of school.. x(

also he has been slow to approve one of the provinces academy intake.

Where's that coming from?

It's a dreadful idea tbh. Moving lads who've gone through the academy about is one thing but it's just going to be used to conceal how appalling Munster (well, Limerick) has become at producing talent.


Murray Kinsella mentioned it on his podcast last week.

Think they'd had learned some from how many cork lads have been unhappy about the munster academy moving to limerick.

Further erosion of provincial loyalty and identity, Nucifora's goal.


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irishrugbyua wrote:
apparently Nucifora is going to try and be more active in moving players around provinces when they come out of school.. x(

also he has been slow to approve one of the provinces academy intake.


It'll be fascinating to see who the beneficiaries/losers from this scenario will be.

I wonder will a player ever tell him to fudge off. Would probably sink your career in Ireland but given we have our provincial system it seems mental to just order 18 year olds around the country.


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