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PostPosted: Sun May 26, 2019 2:31 pm 
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POM, Stander, VDF, Conan, Murphy for the WC.

Think Beirne might go now and cover backrow.

Deegan is hardly a bolter, is he?


Not Deegan.
The young wan who’s only 19 or 20 but an absolute speed merchant.
Name escapes me.

Penney ?


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Alba in the Scottish thread said, inter alia, the following, and rather than befoul their thread of reference I thought I'd bring it here.

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Leinster obviously have one of the top academies in the world, but they also have a huge number of top class pros at the end of their careers; Cronin, Healy, Fardy, Toner, SOB, Sexton, Kearney. That’s the spine of their team and some top top players. Can their academy step up and replace that kind of quality all at once? I think they might have a few blip years post-WC just as Glasgow peak.


From a Leinster viewpoint.

The starter for 3 is easy. Larmour is Kearneys long term replacement and, imo, won't weaken the side.

Next, whilst SOB at his best was a magnificent player, I think we have the BR stocks, especially if Leavy returns, not to be weakened by SOBs absence.

Similarly with our SR. Toner only turns 33 next month and Leinster should have him for a couple of more seasons. I think that our young SRs, Baird and Dunne, look as if they have what it takes, and if neccessary we can replace Fardy with a similar type NIQ if required.

I think Cian Healy is even better in his second coming than in his first, and at 31 is only enetering his prime as a prop. His replacement will probably come from either Dooley or Porter ? Ed Byrne is a good back up but that's it imo.

At hooker we have, and have had, a mixed lot in recent years, none the complete package, but each good enough. I suspect whoever replaces Cronin will have the same said about him.

And finally to Sexton, who, whilst not reaching the heights of last season is far from 'past it' imo. Who will replace him ? Will the IRFU let us have Carbery back, or will Harry Byrne overtake his brother?

It is likely that the replacements at 2, and especially 10 will decide whether or not we stay at the tippy top of European rugby, or bubble about just underneath reaching QFs and SFs.

Any thoughts ?

Larmour is a step down from Kearney.

For all the fancy footwork, he's nowhere near as solid as Kearney is.

I fancy Leinster to walk the Pro14 again next year, but won't get as far in Europe.


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PostPosted: Sun May 26, 2019 2:46 pm 
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Breaking his contract :lol:


:?:

What else do you call changing contract terms mid contract?


He was employed by the IRFU, he is still employed by the IRFU. The move was 100% in keeping with their strategy for player resources.

It’s not a break of a contract.


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PostPosted: Sun May 26, 2019 3:05 pm 
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SOB out of the RWC according to Kinsella on Twitter


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SOB out of the RWC according to Kinsella on Twitter


The line is he is out for 6 months according to Murray


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Could be a bolter or two selected in the backrow for the World Cup now. Especially if there is another injury there which is very possible.


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Was away at a wedding all weekend but congrats Leinster, deserved winners on balance over the course of the season really :thumbup:

If that’s true about SOB, it’s not really a loss to anyone anymore, as great as he has been. Would be a shame to see him go out that way but I doubt he’ll be able to take many more injuries


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PostPosted: Sun May 26, 2019 3:29 pm 
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CM11 wrote:
POM, Stander, VDF, Conan, Murphy for the WC.

Think Beirne might go now and cover backrow.

Deegan is hardly a bolter, is he?

Ruddock ahead of Murphy.

Scmidht played him at 7 v the Boks a few years ago and he played well.


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Armchair_Superstar wrote:
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Breaking his contract :lol:


:?:

What else do you call changing contract terms mid contract?


He was employed by the IRFU, he is still employed by the IRFU. The move was 100% in keeping with their strategy for player resources.

It’s not a break of a contract.


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What else do you call changing contract terms mid contract?


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Willie Falloon wrote:
CM11 wrote:
POM, Stander, VDF, Conan, Murphy for the WC.

Think Beirne might go now and cover backrow.

Deegan is hardly a bolter, is he?

Ruddock ahead of Murphy.

Scmidht played him at 7 v the Boks a few years ago and he played well.

He can be an effective bruiser 7 against bigger packs if needed I'd say.


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Floppykid wrote:
Willie Falloon wrote:
CM11 wrote:
POM, Stander, VDF, Conan, Murphy for the WC.

Think Beirne might go now and cover backrow.

Deegan is hardly a bolter, is he?

Ruddock ahead of Murphy.

Scmidht played him at 7 v the Boks a few years ago and he played well.

He can be an effective bruiser 7 against bigger packs if needed I'd say.

probably the best 6 also.


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Wont find me disagreeing.
Peter "tackle of the year" O'Mahoney either needs a rest or a boot up the hole.

Ruddock will almost always work his hole off and is huge.


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What are the odds on SOB ever actually playing for LI now?
Poor guy has been ruined recently.


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What are the odds on SOB ever actually playing for LI now?
Poor guy has been ruined recently.

Not recently unfortunately, it's been the past two years.
Probably one of the most physically gifted and talented back rowers we've ever had.

Playing the way he did in the drawn Lions series against NZ was a good peak and he has a good number of trophies to his name.

Damn shame we never got too see him do it too much for Ireland.


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He won't play again. That's it. Finito.
To be honest I was surprised he even managed a couple of games over the last few weeks. I never even expected that last comeback.


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Nolanator wrote:
What are the odds on SOB ever actually playing for LI now?
Poor guy has been ruined recently.


Well we just managed to get Nalaga off the payroll after 2/3 games in 2 years. Need someone to come in an pick up the baton.


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The line might be SOB out for 6 months but I'm telling you he will retire before that


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Opensides:

van der Flier
Murphy
Reidy
Connors
O'Donnell
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Willie Falloon wrote:
CM11 wrote:
POM, Stander, VDF, Conan, Murphy for the WC.

Think Beirne might go now and cover backrow.

Deegan is hardly a bolter, is he?

Ruddock ahead of Murphy.

Scmidht played him at 7 v the Boks a few years ago and he played well.


He played him at 7 at short notice because Henry pulled out on the morning of the game.


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RichieRich89 wrote:
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van der Flier
Murphy
Reidy
Connors
O'Donnell
Penny


A huge weakness. Only one of those players is anywhere near international standard, but they are hugely underpowered at the same time.

The like of Jordi Murphy was made look a mug against Fiji. He's a flexible player, but he's not much more than a decent Pro14 player.


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Watching the final now.
Ruddock and Conan my two best players of the first half so far.
Ryan, as usual, making a mountain of tackles.


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Also, Luke McGrath's kicking leaves a lot to be desired.


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Jumper wrote:
RichieRich89 wrote:
Opensides:

van der Flier
Murphy
Reidy
Connors
O'Donnell
Penny


A huge weakness. Only one of those players is anywhere near international standard, but they are hugely underpowered at the same time.

The like of Jordi Murphy was made look a mug against Fiji. He's a flexible player, but he's not much more than a decent Pro14 player.

Jordi the AB slayer ?

:lol: :lol: :lol:


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The career-ending Fiji game :lol:

#Neverforget


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RichieRich89 wrote:
Opensides:

van der Flier
Murphy
Reidy
Connors
O'Donnell
Penny


Who the fudge do you think you are,Irua?


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Also, Luke McGrath's kicking leaves a lot to be desired.


I thought his kicking was on the money yesterday


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Liathroidigloine wrote:
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Also, Luke McGrath's kicking leaves a lot to be desired.


I thought his kicking was on the money yesterday


Thought so too. Not much I can remember that wasn't contestable and don't think any were too short?


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I felt there wasn't much hangtime and they were short.

Also wasn't hugely impressed with Sexton.

Conan motm for me, or Ryan.


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CM11 wrote:
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Also, Luke McGrath's kicking leaves a lot to be desired.


I thought his kicking was on the money yesterday


Thought so too. Not much I can remember that wasn't contestable and don't think any were too short?

Give a dog a bad name.......

McGrath was excellent yesterday. Way beyond anything Murray or Marmion or Cooney has done this year.


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camroc1 wrote:
CM11 wrote:
Liathroidigloine wrote:
Floppykid wrote:
Also, Luke McGrath's kicking leaves a lot to be desired.


I thought his kicking was on the money yesterday


Thought so too. Not much I can remember that wasn't contestable and don't think any were too short?

Give a dog a bad name.......

McGrath was excellent yesterday. Way beyond anything Murray or Marmion or Cooney has done this year.

:lol:


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earl the beaver wrote:
camroc1 wrote:
CM11 wrote:
Liathroidigloine wrote:
Floppykid wrote:
Also, Luke McGrath's kicking leaves a lot to be desired.


I thought his kicking was on the money yesterday


Thought so too. Not much I can remember that wasn't contestable and don't think any were too short?

Give a dog a bad name.......

McGrath was excellent yesterday. Way beyond anything Murray or Marmion or Cooney has done this year.

:lol:

And has the silverware to go with it.


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camroc1 wrote:
CM11 wrote:
Liathroidigloine wrote:
Floppykid wrote:
Also, Luke McGrath's kicking leaves a lot to be desired.


I thought his kicking was on the money yesterday


Thought so too. Not much I can remember that wasn't contestable and don't think any were too short?

Give a dog a bad name.......

McGrath was excellent yesterday. Way beyond anything Murray or Marmion or Cooney has done this year.

Shut up Cammy.


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The career-ending Fiji game :lol:

#Neverforget

Sure Dev and SOB looked shit against Fiji 10 years ago. Killed their careers dead.


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McGrath was very good yesterday ..... really excellent in defense .... for a small lad, he absolutely smashes people in tackles

He’s deffo going to Japan IMO ..... his familiarity with Sexton, Carberry and Byrne will likely clinch it above cooney


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I think he'll pick McGrath.

But it'll hardly matter, because Murray will play at least 79 minutes of every game of semi-importance, even if playing like an absolute drain, if Ireland's recent substitution policy at half back is anything to go by.


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Right lads, who do we think’s stock will rise in the off-season and who’s form will plummet?

I think the Dave Kearney award for the best off season performance will go to POM. Joe really needs to be blowing smoke up his hole for his efforts in training to distract us from his less than average season. Cue lots of bollocks about his exceptional leadership skills and breakdown work (which in fairness is pretty good), papering over his seagulling and lack of work rate.

Beirne is my pick to have an awful off season and not make the squad. He’s a top player but I reckon the meeja and the bored will declare him a flat track bully before the summer is out and not cut out for the high pressure stakes of international knockout rugby.


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RichieRich89 wrote:
Opensides:

van der Flier
Murphy
Reidy
Connors
O'Donnell
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Paul Boyle


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He’s deffo going to Japan IMO ..... his familiarity with Sexton, Carberry and Byrne will likely clinch it above cooney


Dirty, smelly stuff.


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Right lads, who do we think’s stock will rise in the off-season and who’s form will plummet?

I think the Dave Kearney award for the best off season performance will go to POM. Joe really needs to be blowing smoke up his hole for his efforts in training to distract us from his less than average season. Cue lots of bollocks about his exceptional leadership skills and breakdown work (which in fairness is pretty good), papering over his seagulling and lack of work rate.

Beirne is my pick to have an awful off season and not make the squad. He’s a top player but I reckon the meeja and the bored will declare him a flat track bully before the summer is out and not cut out for the high pressure stakes of international knockout rugby.


Marshall to make a comeback as the best 13 in Ireland /earl


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I think he'll pick McGrath.

But it'll hardly matter, because Murray will play at least 79 minutes of every game of semi-importance, even if playing like an absolute drain, if Ireland's recent substitution policy at half back is anything to go by.


I was just about to chime in with this. If Murray is fit it is totally irrelevant who the other SHs are.


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