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PostPosted: Mon Jun 24, 2019 4:37 pm 
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It's bullshit anyway to just look at who's won something. Schmidt hadn't won anything when he agreed terms with Leinster (finally won the T14 in his last season with Clermont) but anyone who had watched ASM play in that time knew what a well-coached side they were. Similarly Lancaster could take some credit for the consistency of his English side. They weren't an all-conquering team but they were always difficult to beat. Catt can really only take credit for the attack and I'm not sure it was particularly noteworthy in that period.

Hmmm, I don't disagree that it's not just about who's won stuff, it was kind of my point. There was nothing stellar about Lancasters CV even if you look beyond trophies.

Have Connacht announced any signings for next seasob? They had a few lined up dependent on HCC qualification IIRC?


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paddyor wrote:
hermie wrote:
It's bullshit anyway to just look at who's won something. Schmidt hadn't won anything when he agreed terms with Leinster (finally won the T14 in his last season with Clermont) but anyone who had watched ASM play in that time knew what a well-coached side they were. Similarly Lancaster could take some credit for the consistency of his English side. They weren't an all-conquering team but they were always difficult to beat. Catt can really only take credit for the attack and I'm not sure it was particularly noteworthy in that period.

Have Connacht announced any signings for next seasob? They had a few lined up dependent on HCC qualification IIRC?


Signed an Aussie 7's player presumably to replace Kelleher. Apart from that it looks like Connacht aren't doing much apart from promoting a few academy lads. Friend hinted on a radio interview a few weeks ago that next season's squad is basically already complete.


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paddyor wrote:
hermie wrote:
It's bullshit anyway to just look at who's won something. Schmidt hadn't won anything when he agreed terms with Leinster (finally won the T14 in his last season with Clermont) but anyone who had watched ASM play in that time knew what a well-coached side they were. Similarly Lancaster could take some credit for the consistency of his English side. They weren't an all-conquering team but they were always difficult to beat. Catt can really only take credit for the attack and I'm not sure it was particularly noteworthy in that period.

Hmmm, I don't disagree that it's not just about who's won stuff, it was kind of my point. There was nothing stellar about Lancasters CV even if you look beyond trophies.

Have Connacht announced any signings for next seasob? They had a few lined up dependent on HCC qualification IIRC?

Sorry yeah I see that now. Really (re Lancaster)? Up to the RWC his record was far better than his predecessors for one. From an Irish perspective, they caused Schmidt's Ireland an awful amount of difficulties. And that made sense that Joe would get in the guys who were able to get one over him. Farrell was brought in as someone who would be a big voice in the dressing room, would challenge Schmidt, knew his weaknesses. Catt seems to be nearly the opposite for Farrell. Perhaps work really well together and maybe that's what's needed first-up - a good working relationship. But to me it looks like a missed opportunity. I've said it before, maybe they couldn't get him, but McCall could have been a great Ireland head coach. Farrell was already under contract, there was no pressing need to promote him to top dog. Similarly, I think O'Gara could have been an excellent backs coach. He's coached in France, he's coached in the southern hemisphere, he's worked with successful teams. The Crusaders in particular are at the cutting edge of what's going on in the game of rugby at the moment. While he obviously has a familiarity with the game in Ireland he'd be bringing an abundance of new ideas. Different ways of doing things.


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interested to see who will be 3rd leinster scrumhalf next season, most would assume Hugh O'Sullivan but think Paddy Patterson was more impressive than him last season and looks to be a more natural 9 and a better/quicker decision maker.

Patterson looks to get the ball away faster from the breakdown to me. Hughie seems to be more ponderous and slower at making decisions, which is unsurprising given his lack of experience there. He really should have played more AIL this season to give him more experience at the position.


Been away for a while but to see you finally coming around to my way of thinking :thumbup: , what changed your mind? Size wise wouldn't say Patterson is much bigger than Craig casey.


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 24, 2019 6:54 pm 
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hermie wrote:
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Had Lancaster won anything when he was appointed to leinster?

A bit different though no? Leinster had a young coaching ticket and were crying out for a bit of experience. They also had a raft of excellent young players coming through that they were going to base their future success on and Lancaster, whatever people's opinions of him at the time, had a reputation for enriching raw talent.

The Irish setup has plenty of experience, plenty of continuity but is lacking a bit of a fresh perspective, new ideas. I'm not certain that that's the same fit.

And had spent the previous 2 years playing the biggest load of shite you've ever seen, under an experienced Australian backs coach.


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hermie wrote:
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As much as Catt's appointment is an eyebrow raiser, the one area of Italy's play that you are not going to be critical of their attack. They have created some lovely tries in recent years. They have plenty of problems, but their attack is not one of them.

Don't think the stats back that up. Fewest amount of tries scored, not much better in terms of linebreaks.


Stats shmatz!

But fine, I'll rephrase it for you - Italy's attack is by far the least problematic aspect of their game.

Don't be the glass half empty guy, at least not until you've good cause to be :P


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:lolfair fair enough :thumbup:


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irishrugbyua wrote:
interested to see who will be 3rd leinster scrumhalf next season, most would assume Hugh O'Sullivan but think Paddy Patterson was more impressive than him last season and looks to be a more natural 9 and a better/quicker decision maker.

Patterson looks to get the ball away faster from the breakdown to me. Hughie seems to be more ponderous and slower at making decisions, which is unsurprising given his lack of experience there. He really should have played more AIL this season to give him more experience at the position.


Been away for a while but to see you finally coming around to my way of thinking :thumbup: , what changed your mind? Size wise wouldn't say Patterson is much bigger than Craig casey.


Yeah before the season I thought O'Sullivan needed to get a lot of gametime at AIL or senior to improve/quicken his decision making, he barely played AIL and got limited playing time at senior level, while not displaying much progression in his speed of thought etc. Not convinced he will get there now due to that lack of playing time and development opportunities.


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Don't get the hate for O'Sullivan. He's a talented player who just needs more minutes. I thought he went reasonably well with the opportunites he had last season. Haven't seen enough of Patterson to really comment on whether he's better or not.


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hermie wrote:
Don't get the hate for O'Sullivan. He's a talented player who just needs more minutes. I thought he went reasonably well with the opportunites he had last season. Haven't seen enough of Patterson to really comment on whether he's better or not.


its not hate, just dont see him getting the large amount of minutes needed to improve.

hopefully i'm wrong.


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irishrugbyua wrote:
hermie wrote:
Don't get the hate for O'Sullivan. He's a talented player who just needs more minutes. I thought he went reasonably well with the opportunites he had last season. Haven't seen enough of Patterson to really comment on whether he's better or not.


its not hate, just dont see him getting the large amount of minutes needed to improve.

hopefully i'm wrong.


Don't lie. It's clear that you despise him. :nod:


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Such vitriol, deeply disturbing to see.


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Nolanator wrote:
irishrugbyua wrote:
hermie wrote:
Don't get the hate for O'Sullivan. He's a talented player who just needs more minutes. I thought he went reasonably well with the opportunites he had last season. Haven't seen enough of Patterson to really comment on whether he's better or not.


its not hate, just dont see him getting the large amount of minutes needed to improve.

hopefully i'm wrong.


Don't lie. It's clear that you despise him. :nod:


guilty as charged.


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Such vitriol, deeply disturbing to see.


Don't wind up the Leinster lads, they might piss on someone


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Given this lad can find no love in the entirety of Leinster, he'll just have to flee to sanctuary up North.


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irishrugbyua wrote:
hermie wrote:
Don't get the hate for O'Sullivan. He's a talented player who just needs more minutes. I thought he went reasonably well with the opportunites he had last season. Haven't seen enough of Patterson to really comment on whether he's better or not.


its not hate, just dont see him getting the large amount of minutes needed to improve.

hopefully i'm wrong.


Bar his decision making, the thing that has surprised me given he also played fullback is the lack of threat he is ball in hand. He doesn't seem to have much of snipe or real speed off the mark- did he show that at underage?


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Kev Geary to Bristol


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Who?


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Who?

Ulster S&C coach, been about for ages.


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Who?


Think he may have been let go at end of the season by Ulster. Wasn’t the only staff member either


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Luckycharmer wrote:
irishrugbyua wrote:
hermie wrote:
Don't get the hate for O'Sullivan. He's a talented player who just needs more minutes. I thought he went reasonably well with the opportunites he had last season. Haven't seen enough of Patterson to really comment on whether he's better or not.


its not hate, just dont see him getting the large amount of minutes needed to improve.

hopefully i'm wrong.


Bar his decision making, the thing that has surprised me given he also played fullback is the lack of threat he is ball in hand. He doesn't seem to have much of snipe or real speed off the mark- did he show that at underage?


I can't really remember at the moment, only really seen him playing 9 for the 20's. He has it in his locker, but seems to me to be overthinking when he gets to a ruck and not playing on instinct. He needs huge game time to improve I think and last season was a lost opportunity.


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irishrugbyua wrote:
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irishrugbyua wrote:
hermie wrote:
Don't get the hate for O'Sullivan. He's a talented player who just needs more minutes. I thought he went reasonably well with the opportunites he had last season. Haven't seen enough of Patterson to really comment on whether he's better or not.


its not hate, just dont see him getting the large amount of minutes needed to improve.

hopefully i'm wrong.


Bar his decision making, the thing that has surprised me given he also played fullback is the lack of threat he is ball in hand. He doesn't seem to have much of snipe or real speed off the mark- did he show that at underage?


I can't really remember at the moment, only really seen him playing 9 for the 20's. He has it in his locker, but seems to me to be overthinking when he gets to a ruck and not playing on instinct. He needs huge game time to improve I think and last season was a lost opportunity.

I think that, unless they are very close to the line, the SH break is coached out of all Irish SHs on the basis that they'll lose their support and it's turnover ball to the opposition.

Prime example is Luke McGrath, who used to have one of the best breaks in his locker, yet hardly ever uses it now.


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camroc1 wrote:
irishrugbyua wrote:
Luckycharmer wrote:
irishrugbyua wrote:
hermie wrote:
Don't get the hate for O'Sullivan. He's a talented player who just needs more minutes. I thought he went reasonably well with the opportunites he had last season. Haven't seen enough of Patterson to really comment on whether he's better or not.


its not hate, just dont see him getting the large amount of minutes needed to improve.

hopefully i'm wrong.


Bar his decision making, the thing that has surprised me given he also played fullback is the lack of threat he is ball in hand. He doesn't seem to have much of snipe or real speed off the mark- did he show that at underage?


I can't really remember at the moment, only really seen him playing 9 for the 20's. He has it in his locker, but seems to me to be overthinking when he gets to a ruck and not playing on instinct. He needs huge game time to improve I think and last season was a lost opportunity.

I think that, unless they are very close to the line, the SH break is coached out of all Irish SHs on the basis that they'll lose their support and it's turnover ball to the opposition.

Prime example is Luke McGrath, who used to have one of the best breaks in his locker, yet hardly ever uses it now.

Marmion under Lam and under Joe was very different.


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still catching up from the weekend, will watch 20's game later.. saw Bairds try :thumbup:

looks like he could replace Fardy as a lock/blindside. :)


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Noel McNamara announced as new leinster academy manager.


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Ulsters Red Hand wrote:
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Think he may have been let go at end of the season by Ulster. Wasn’t the only staff member either


Announced on 22nd May these three were going

Aaron Dundon – Scrum Coach
Kevin Geary – Senior Strength & Conditioning Coach
Chris Hagan – Senior GPS Analyst

Haven't heard of anyone else.


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Noel McNamara announced as new leinster academy manager.

Will he keep his U20s head coach position too?


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Think he may have been let go at end of the season by Ulster. Wasn’t the only staff member either


Announced on 22nd May these three were going

Aaron Dundon – Scrum Coach
Kevin Geary – Senior Strength & Conditioning Coach
Chris Hagan – Senior GPS Analyst

Haven't heard of anyone else.


Hagan was made redundant, I had heard they are keeping the contract they have for the GPS equipment but not keeping him on. Fits the bill when you hear about the cost-cutting measures going on


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binge90 wrote:
irishrugbyua wrote:
Noel McNamara announced as new leinster academy manager.

Will he keep his U20s head coach position too?


Tbc


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irishrugbyua wrote:
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Noel McNamara announced as new leinster academy manager.

Will he keep his U20s head coach position too?


Tbc


Could be argued conflict of interest.


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camroc1 wrote:
irishrugbyua wrote:
Luckycharmer wrote:
irishrugbyua wrote:
hermie wrote:
Don't get the hate for O'Sullivan. He's a talented player who just needs more minutes. I thought he went reasonably well with the opportunites he had last season. Haven't seen enough of Patterson to really comment on whether he's better or not.


its not hate, just dont see him getting the large amount of minutes needed to improve.

hopefully i'm wrong.


Bar his decision making, the thing that has surprised me given he also played fullback is the lack of threat he is ball in hand. He doesn't seem to have much of snipe or real speed off the mark- did he show that at underage?


I can't really remember at the moment, only really seen him playing 9 for the 20's. He has it in his locker, but seems to me to be overthinking when he gets to a ruck and not playing on instinct. He needs huge game time to improve I think and last season was a lost opportunity.

I think that, unless they are very close to the line, the SH break is coached out of all Irish SHs on the basis that they'll lose their support and it's turnover ball to the opposition.

Prime example is Luke McGrath, who used to have one of the best breaks in his locker, yet hardly ever uses it now.

The SH break is coached out of them because too many Irish scrum halves have the skillset of an extra back row so they rely too much on their break and their weak skillset lets them down when they get to big boy rugby.


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New European Leinster Jerseys

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The away one could have been decent in home colours.


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Mother of God it's one abortion of a design after another these days.

Does any professional side have a decent jersey anymore?


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Soccer influence starting to pervade into the kit.


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Adidas are shit.


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It's like new wallpaper, you soon get to like it after initial dismay.


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Ulster have had the same mediocre kit for a couple of seasons now but at least it hasn't got worse.


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Purple one is ok-ish. The blue one looks like someone dropped a bottle of bleach on to it.


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The new alternative kit looks very similar to the current European home one.
Anyway, not as if many of us will be buying it. Certainly seems to be aimed at younger fans, particularly kids.


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