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Author:  CM11 [ Mon Dec 16, 2019 12:18 pm ]
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Conspicuous wrote:
Duff Paddy wrote:
Balls.ie linking sexton with a move to Lyon


Out of contract at the end of this season I sssume ? Like Kearney , I would have though retirement was far more likely but if he can land a big payday in France before he calls it a day good luck to him


Nope. Another season after this.

Author:  Conspicuous [ Mon Dec 16, 2019 12:18 pm ]
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danthefan wrote:
The Leinster maul has probably been the worst thing about the team in recent years. Has never really functioned at the level of the very best mauls in Europe imo.


It was particularly poor on Saturday night alright

Author:  CM11 [ Mon Dec 16, 2019 12:19 pm ]
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camroc1 wrote:
CM11 wrote:
Cam

Ref did check the crossing.

That makes it even worse, as it was textbook crossing.


It didn't impact our defence of the try. We'd left the hole ourselves.

Author:  camroc1 [ Mon Dec 16, 2019 12:21 pm ]
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CM11 wrote:
camroc1 wrote:
CM11 wrote:
Cam

Ref did check the crossing.

That makes it even worse, as it was textbook crossing.


It didn't impact our defence of the try. We'd left the hole ourselves.

Which McGrath probably would have plugged.

It's what covering SHs do.

And he never checked it on the screen. It was an atrocious call.

Author:  Leinsterman [ Mon Dec 16, 2019 12:21 pm ]
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Conspicuous wrote:
danthefan wrote:
The Leinster maul has probably been the worst thing about the team in recent years. Has never really functioned at the level of the very best mauls in Europe imo.


It was particularly poor on Saturday night alright


Got better when Toner came on, as did our maul defence.

Author:  Conspicuous [ Mon Dec 16, 2019 12:21 pm ]
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CM11 wrote:
Conspicuous wrote:
Duff Paddy wrote:
Balls.ie linking sexton with a move to Lyon


Out of contract at the end of this season I sssume ? Like Kearney , I would have though retirement was far more likely but if he can land a big payday in France before he calls it a day good luck to him


Nope. Another season after this.


Really ? It’s not happening so . He’ll be playing rugby in the south of France next May alright , but it won’t be for Lyon

Author:  earl the beaver [ Mon Dec 16, 2019 12:23 pm ]
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camroc1 wrote:
CM11 wrote:
camroc1 wrote:
CM11 wrote:
Cam

Ref did check the crossing.

That makes it even worse, as it was textbook crossing.


It didn't impact our defence of the try. We'd left the hole ourselves.

Which McGrath probably would have plugged.

It's what covering SHs do.

And he never checked it on the screen. It was an atrocious call.

McGrath tackled Gibson ffs, he could easily have avoided him and tried to make it across but he made the decision.

Author:  tickettout [ Mon Dec 16, 2019 12:24 pm ]
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Liathroidigloine wrote:
Does James Ryan ever put in a less than 8/10 performance?

I actually thought Leinster were really poor on Saturday. Conceding three tries to NH was not on. Scrum penalty (harsh) and very ineffective maul compared to the week before.

He was hardly a 6 in any of the games in Japan.
Leinster are in a piss weak group, the last test Ryan and co had was when they were blown out of it by NZ.

Author:  tickettout [ Mon Dec 16, 2019 12:25 pm ]
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Conspicuous wrote:
danthefan wrote:
The Leinster maul has probably been the worst thing about the team in recent years. Has never really functioned at the level of the very best mauls in Europe imo.


It was particularly poor on Saturday night alright


Dan knows a lot about mauling after 10 years posting on forums.

Author:  Conspicuous [ Mon Dec 16, 2019 12:25 pm ]
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Leinsterman wrote:
Conspicuous wrote:
danthefan wrote:
The Leinster maul has probably been the worst thing about the team in recent years. Has never really functioned at the level of the very best mauls in Europe imo.


It was particularly poor on Saturday night alright


Got better when Toner came on, as did our maul defence.


That’s great , but such a big part of the game shouldn’t be utterly reliant on one player

Author:  Liathroidigloine [ Mon Dec 16, 2019 12:26 pm ]
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tickettout wrote:
Conspicuous wrote:
danthefan wrote:
The Leinster maul has probably been the worst thing about the team in recent years. Has never really functioned at the level of the very best mauls in Europe imo.


It was particularly poor on Saturday night alright


Dan knows a lot about mauling after 10 years posting on forums.


Does your wife let you post again?

Author:  CM11 [ Mon Dec 16, 2019 12:26 pm ]
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Conspicuous wrote:
CM11 wrote:
Conspicuous wrote:
Duff Paddy wrote:
Balls.ie linking sexton with a move to Lyon


Out of contract at the end of this season I sssume ? Like Kearney , I would have though retirement was far more likely but if he can land a big payday in France before he calls it a day good luck to him


Nope. Another season after this.


Really ? It’s not happening so . He’ll be playing rugby in the south of France next May alright , but it won’t be for Lyon


Could try to get out of his contract. I think it would suit us if he did. 4th year could even be optional from his perspective for all we know.

Author:  Conspicuous [ Mon Dec 16, 2019 12:27 pm ]
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tickettout wrote:
Liathroidigloine wrote:
Does James Ryan ever put in a less than 8/10 performance?

I actually thought Leinster were really poor on Saturday. Conceding three tries to NH was not on. Scrum penalty (harsh) and very ineffective maul compared to the week before.

He was hardly a 6 in any of the games in Japan.
Leinster are in a piss weak group, the last test Ryan and co had was when they were blown out of it by NZ.


So who’s multi is this then ?

Author:  camroc1 [ Mon Dec 16, 2019 12:32 pm ]
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tickettout wrote:
Liathroidigloine wrote:
Does James Ryan ever put in a less than 8/10 performance?

I actually thought Leinster were really poor on Saturday. Conceding three tries to NH was not on. Scrum penalty (harsh) and very ineffective maul compared to the week before.

He was hardly a 6 in any of the games in Japan.
Leinster are in a piss weak group, the last test Ryan and co had was when they were blown out of it by NZ.

League leaders in France, league leaders in England, and Leinster.

That's a really weak group !

Author:  CM11 [ Mon Dec 16, 2019 12:33 pm ]
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Ah lads, stop giving him oxygen.

Author:  Jumper [ Mon Dec 16, 2019 12:34 pm ]
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camroc1 wrote:
League leaders in France, league leaders in England, and Leinster.

That's a really weak group !


And Leinster were the only side in the competition last season. Every Leinster fan was delighted when that group was drawn. Especially when you compare it to Munster's group which has 3 of the top 4 clubs in Europe over the last 3/4 years.

Author:  tickettout [ Mon Dec 16, 2019 12:35 pm ]
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camroc1 wrote:
tickettout wrote:
Liathroidigloine wrote:
Does James Ryan ever put in a less than 8/10 performance?

I actually thought Leinster were really poor on Saturday. Conceding three tries to NH was not on. Scrum penalty (harsh) and very ineffective maul compared to the week before.

He was hardly a 6 in any of the games in Japan.
Leinster are in a piss weak group, the last test Ryan and co had was when they were blown out of it by NZ.

League leaders in France, league leaders in England, and Leinster.

That's a really weak group !


Lyon and Northampton are not top teams.

Author:  Conspicuous [ Mon Dec 16, 2019 12:36 pm ]
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CM11 wrote:
Conspicuous wrote:
CM11 wrote:
Conspicuous wrote:
Duff Paddy wrote:
Balls.ie linking sexton with a move to Lyon


Out of contract at the end of this season I sssume ? Like Kearney , I would have though retirement was far more likely but if he can land a big payday in France before he calls it a day good luck to him


Nope. Another season after this.


Really ? It’s not happening so . He’ll be playing rugby in the south of France next May alright , but it won’t be for Lyon


Could try to get out of his contract. I think it would suit us if he did. 4th year could even be optional from his perspective for all we know.


Agreed with all that but surely the situation is far less likely to happen if he has to give up 12 months of a very highly paid contract with the IRFU to agree to the one being offered by Lyon . It comes down to what sort of money the French are willing to pay him obviously and the length of the contract . If they’re willing to pay him 750k + pa as a 35-37 year old then I guess he has a decision to make

Author:  tickettout [ Mon Dec 16, 2019 12:36 pm ]
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Leinster probably won’t be tested until they meet Saracens, who if have a full side out will have too much again for them. Especially upfront.

Author:  CM11 [ Mon Dec 16, 2019 12:40 pm ]
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Conspicuous wrote:

Agreed with all that but surely the situation is far less likely to happen if he has to give up 12 months of a very highly paid contract with the IRFU to agree to the one being offered by Lyon . It comes down to what sort of money the French are willing to pay him obviously and the length of the contract . If they’re willing to pay him 750k + pa as a 35-37 year old then I guess he has a decision to make


Can't remember if it was just something speculated at the time or mentioned in the media but his contract could have been top loaded with a lower, easier to give up, salary for his final year.

Author:  Nolanator [ Mon Dec 16, 2019 12:40 pm ]
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CM11 wrote:
Conspicuous wrote:
CM11 wrote:
Conspicuous wrote:
Duff Paddy wrote:
Balls.ie linking sexton with a move to Lyon


Out of contract at the end of this season I sssume ? Like Kearney , I would have though retirement was far more likely but if he can land a big payday in France before he calls it a day good luck to him


Nope. Another season after this.


Really ? It’s not happening so . He’ll be playing rugby in the south of France next May alright , but it won’t be for Lyon


Could try to get out of his contract. I think it would suit us if he did. 4th year could even be optional from his perspective for all we know.


I remember when he got this contract that we were saying that the 4 years was overly generous, but that if we got three good years it was worth it.

Author:  Mullet 2 [ Mon Dec 16, 2019 12:40 pm ]
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It's good to see a poster bring something fresh

Author:  CM11 [ Mon Dec 16, 2019 12:41 pm ]
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Nols, yep. Didn't really get the 3. :(

Author:  Nolanator [ Mon Dec 16, 2019 12:44 pm ]
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CM11 wrote:
Nols, yep. Didn't really get the 3. :(


True. Got two. Shame the dip happened on such a big stage.

I blame Fineen Wycherly.

Author:  CM11 [ Mon Dec 16, 2019 12:52 pm ]
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Nolanator wrote:
CM11 wrote:
Nols, yep. Didn't really get the 3. :(


True. Got two. Shame the dip happened on such a big stage.

I blame Fineen Wycherly.


Sure why not!

Author:  camroc1 [ Mon Dec 16, 2019 12:58 pm ]
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earl the beaver wrote:
camroc1 wrote:
CM11 wrote:
camroc1 wrote:
CM11 wrote:
Cam

Ref did check the crossing.

That makes it even worse, as it was textbook crossing.


It didn't impact our defence of the try. We'd left the hole ourselves.

Which McGrath probably would have plugged.

It's what covering SHs do.

And he never checked it on the screen. It was an atrocious call.

McGrath tackled Gibson ffs, he could easily have avoided him and tried to make it across but he made the decision.

3 mins 21 secs on. Gibson ahead of the Saints ball carrier shoulders Mc Grath out of the play.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wCSveZGIExY

Author:  lorcanoworms [ Mon Dec 16, 2019 1:07 pm ]
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tickettout wrote:
Leinster probably won’t be tested until they meet Saracens, who if have a full side out will have too much again for them. Especially upfront.

My God you are so hard up :lol:

Author:  sewa [ Mon Dec 16, 2019 1:09 pm ]
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Mullet 2 wrote:
It's good to see a poster bring something fresh


I agree, the circle jerk about a nothing game against a disinterested English side has become very boring

Author:  DeDoc [ Mon Dec 16, 2019 1:10 pm ]
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just watched that clip of the Saints try - slow it down and it really shows how awful a call it was. McGraths contact was more instinctive than anything and the Saints player ran right into him. McGrath would have needed a Larmour-esque sidestep to avoid him. Clear penalty to Leinsters - albeit it would have reverted to previous advantage for Saints.

Author:  Floppykid [ Mon Dec 16, 2019 1:18 pm ]
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lorcanoworms wrote:
tickettout wrote:
Leinster probably won’t be tested until they meet Saracens, who if have a full side out will have too much again for them. Especially upfront.

My God you are so hard up :lol:

Munster almost struggled to another glorious draw with them.
All with superstars like Pat Murphy, Gunty O'Donnellan and PJ Kruger in the pack.

Author:  Floppykid [ Mon Dec 16, 2019 1:25 pm ]
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Anyway, moving past Sappy's multi.....

Has anyone else given up complete on OTB's rugby podcasts?
The same two or three talking heads whipping out platitudes, saying they "missed the match but..." and the dweeb hosts trying to stir up whatever narrative/conflict they can to keep the conversation going.

Baz and Andrew's HOR I've actually come around to a bit when they have Flannery speaking.

Author:  RichieRich89 [ Mon Dec 16, 2019 1:26 pm ]
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Can't see Sexton leaving now when he's targeting the British Lions in 2021.

Author:  Floppykid [ Mon Dec 16, 2019 1:28 pm ]
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RichieRich89 wrote:
Can't see Sexton leaving now when he's targeting the British Lions in 2021.

I don't think even he believes that'll happen.

Author:  RichieRich89 [ Mon Dec 16, 2019 1:36 pm ]
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Lazy Couch potato wrote:
lemonhead wrote:
Yeah. Or player 'management'.

Rest of the squad have had a proper preseason with Larkham so maybe we'll score a try :thumbup:



Snakey after getting a sell out. That said I’ll be interesting to get a good few of the young lads. Hopefully Coombes or jack o Sullivan getting a big game start.


Maybe a Munster team something like:

1. James Cronin
2. Kevin O'Byrne esq.
3. Stephen Archer
4. Fineen Wycherley
5. Billy Holland
6. Jack O'Donoghue
7. Tommy O'Donnell
8. Jack O'Sullivan
9. Nick McCarthy
10. J.J. Hanrahan
11. Shane Daly
12. Rory Scannell
13. Dan Goggin
14. Calvin Nash
15. Mike Haley

16. Diarmuid Barron
17. Liam O'Connor
18. Keynan Knox
19. Darren O'Shea
20. Gavin Coombes
21. Neil Cronin
22. Sam Arnold
23. Chris Cloete

Maybe O'Shea over Wycherley for some extra size.

Presumably Leinster are in the same boat as regards missing internationals.

Author:  camroc1 [ Mon Dec 16, 2019 1:40 pm ]
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DeDoc wrote:
just watched that clip of the Saints try - slow it down and it really shows how awful a call it was. McGraths contact was more instinctive than anything and the Saints player ran right into him. McGrath would have needed a Larmour-esque sidestep to avoid him. Clear penalty to Leinsters - albeit it would have reverted to previous advantage for Saints.

The defender doesn't have to change his line, the onus is on the "blocking" player to change his.

Author:  Conspicuous [ Mon Dec 16, 2019 1:41 pm ]
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Sexton going nowhere

Author:  Mullet 2 [ Mon Dec 16, 2019 1:46 pm ]
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sewa wrote:
Mullet 2 wrote:
It's good to see a poster bring something fresh


I agree, the circle jerk about a nothing game against a disinterested English side has become very boring


You wont have to watch any European Rugby after January so chin up.

Author:  Flametop [ Mon Dec 16, 2019 1:47 pm ]
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camroc1 wrote:
DeDoc wrote:
just watched that clip of the Saints try - slow it down and it really shows how awful a call it was. McGraths contact was more instinctive than anything and the Saints player ran right into him. McGrath would have needed a Larmour-esque sidestep to avoid him. Clear penalty to Leinsters - albeit it would have reverted to previous advantage for Saints.

The defender doesn't have to change his line, the onus is on the "blocking" player to change his.


This.

If you run in front of your team mate who has the ball, you are now offside.
You won’t get pinged just for that, but as soon as you make contact (intentionally or otherwise) you are interfering with play as you chose to be there in the first place.

Author:  sewa [ Mon Dec 16, 2019 1:51 pm ]
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Mullet 2 wrote:
sewa wrote:
Mullet 2 wrote:
It's good to see a poster bring something fresh


I agree, the circle jerk about a nothing game against a disinterested English side has become very boring


You wont have to watch any European Rugby after January so chin up.


True, I will still watch the good guys (whoever they are) vs Leinster scum

Author:  danthefan [ Mon Dec 16, 2019 2:11 pm ]
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Floppykid wrote:
Anyway, moving past Sappy's multi.....

Has anyone else given up complete on OTB's rugby podcasts?
The same two or three talking heads whipping out platitudes, saying they "missed the match but..." and the dweeb hosts trying to stir up whatever narrative/conflict they can to keep the conversation going.

Baz and Andrew's HOR I've actually come around to a bit when they have Flannery speaking.


Joe Molloy trying to simultaneously ask a question and answer it all in one go to show off how much he knows about rugby has gotten extremely tedious.

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