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PostPosted: Tue Aug 14, 2018 1:16 am 
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Vienna Austria. Awesome to see three Canadian Cities on the list, even if one is Toronto.

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The ten most liveable cities in 2018

1. Vienna, Austria
2. Melbourne, Australia
3. Osaka, Japan
4. Calgary, Canada
5. Sydney, Australia
6. Vancouver, Canada
7. Tokyo, Japan
8. Toronto, Canada
9. Copenhagen, Denmark
10. Adelaide, Australia

The ten least liveable cities 2018

1. Damascus, Syria
2. Dhaka, Bangladesh
3. Lagos, Nigeria
4. Karachi, Pakistan
5. Port Moresby, Papua New Guinea
6. Harare, Zimbabwe
7. Tripoli, Libya
8. Douala, Cameroon
9. Johannesburg, South Africa
10. Dakar, Senegal


https://www.bbc.com/news/business-45174600


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 14, 2018 1:19 am 
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This means nothing to me.


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Jay Cee Gee wrote:
This means nothing to me.

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 14, 2018 1:22 am 
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The availability of fresh fish for sushi or good pastries for breakfast were amongst the key criteria ...

Same gaggle of contenders this year again ...


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 14, 2018 1:26 am 
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The availability of fresh fish for sushi or good pastries for breakfast were amongst the key criteria ...

Same gaggle of contenders this year again ...


Seems to be. Was surprised to see Toronto on the list tbh.


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 14, 2018 1:32 am 
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MungoMan wrote:
Jay Cee Gee wrote:
This means nothing to me.

:lol:

Melbourne has been living off that cheap trinket for years :lol:


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 14, 2018 1:34 am 
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Melbourne will be gutted. Every second article I read from their local newspaper mentions Melbourne as the World's Most Livable City*


*according to some random criteria on an excel spreadsheet


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 14, 2018 1:37 am 
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TBH, I was a bit surprised not to see Auckland in the top 10.


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CanNZ2000 wrote:
TBH, I was a bit surprised not to see Auckland in the top 10.



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PostPosted: Tue Aug 14, 2018 1:41 am 
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CanNZ2000 wrote:
TBH, I was a bit surprised not to see Auckland in the top 10.



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I know, beautiful, isn't it?!


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 14, 2018 1:41 am 
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CanNZ2000 wrote:
TBH, I was a bit surprised not to see Auckland in the top 10.



It's probably 12th or something, it is normally around there.


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jambanja wrote:
CanNZ2000 wrote:
TBH, I was a bit surprised not to see Auckland in the top 10.



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Reminds me of my arteries after a meal of KFC.


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 14, 2018 1:46 am 
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What's the criteria to even be considered on the list? I suspect they haven't looked at every single city on the planet. As evidenced by Palmerston North not appearing in the bottom 10...


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 14, 2018 1:47 am 
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What's the criteria to even be considered on the list? I suspect they haven't looked at every single city on the planet. As evidenced by Palmerston North not appearing in the bottom 10...

:lol:


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 14, 2018 1:51 am 
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The ten least liveable cities 2018

1. Damascus, Syria
2. Dhaka, Bangladesh
3. Lagos, Nigeria
4. Karachi, Pakistan
5. Port Moresby, Papua New Guinea
6. Harare, Zimbabwe
7. Tripoli, Libya
8. Douala, Cameroon
9. Johannesburg, South Africa
10. Dakar, Senegal



... Mogadishu sends its regards


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 14, 2018 1:54 am 
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icon wrote:
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The ten least liveable cities 2018

1. Damascus, Syria
2. Dhaka, Bangladesh
3. Lagos, Nigeria
4. Karachi, Pakistan
5. Port Moresby, Papua New Guinea
6. Harare, Zimbabwe
7. Tripoli, Libya
8. Douala, Cameroon
9. Johannesburg, South Africa
10. Dakar, Senegal



... Mogadishu sends its regards


the beach and sailing probably saved it from the list.


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 14, 2018 1:56 am 
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jambanja wrote:
Fat Old Git wrote:
What's the criteria to even be considered on the list? I suspect they haven't looked at every single city on the planet. As evidenced by Palmerston North not appearing in the bottom 10...

:lol:


:lol: :thumbup:


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 14, 2018 1:58 am 
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Would love to know how they weight each of the criteria as the bias to new world cities is always pretty strong.

The list is interesting as many of the cities surely fail on the most basic 'livability' component- housing costs that bear some resemblance to local income dynamics. Trust me, you can live a much better life as a decently paid person in Edinburgh than Sydney. .

It looks quite vague but here are the key components it assesses (according to the EIU website):

Stability, culture, healthcare, education, infrastructure and environment.

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Have found a bit more a description for the underlying calculation methodology on page 10:

https://pages.eiu.com/rs/753-RIQ-438/images/Liveability_Free_Summary_2017.pdf


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 14, 2018 3:41 am 
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Melbourne will be gutted. Every second article I read from their local newspaper mentions Melbourne as the World's Most Livable City*


*according to some random criteria on an excel spreadsheet


Damn right they will. So many Melbournians I've met have spouted the most liveable city or how 'European' (it's not. I've been to Melbourne and a number of Europe's great cities) the city is. Then there's the whole 'Sporting Capital of the World' BS. They even once had the 'Best Mayor in the World'. These labels seem to really matter to them. I'd bet good money that if Sydney was declared number 1 and you asked people on the street the majority would scoff and just get on with their day.

I've even had some brag that by 2040 or so Melbourne will overtake take Sydney as the nations largest city by population with over 8 million residents. Who the fudge wants to live in that mess. I don't. Sydney's got a little under 5 million people and that's already too many motherfuckers to have to wade through on a daily basis.


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Working Class Rugger wrote:
True Blue wrote:
Melbourne will be gutted. Every second article I read from their local newspaper mentions Melbourne as the World's Most Livable City*


*according to some random criteria on an excel spreadsheet


Damn right they will. So many Melbournians I've met have spouted the most liveable city or how 'European' (it's not. I've been to Melbourne and a number of Europe's great cities) the city is. Then there's the whole 'Sporting Capital of the World' BS. They even once had the 'Best Mayor in the World'. These labels seem to really matter to them. I'd bet good money that if Sydney was declared number 1 and you asked people on the street the majority would scoff and just get on with their day.


WCR, watch an AFL game and at some stage a commentator will say "All the talk in the world of footy this week was.....". Ipso facto, their definition of "the world" maybe very different to yours and mine.


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 14, 2018 4:20 am 
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So which esteemed magazine awarded this one? After all there seems to be a few of these "most liveable city" participation certificates handed out on an annual basis.

"Who's Got The Biggest Marketing Budget Daily" perhaps? Or "Moustachio'ed Pilots Monthly"?


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Vancouver is massively over-rated...

Stupid expensive housing. Now just become off shore investments... and full of tourists.....

No longer a real city.


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 14, 2018 6:12 am 
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... Mogadishu sends its regards


You could also add Monrovia and Juba to that list.


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 14, 2018 6:22 am 
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Bit harsh on Harare to be in that clusterfuck.

I would have expected to have seen at least one South American city in the bottom 10.


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jambanja wrote:
CanNZ2000 wrote:
TBH, I was a bit surprised not to see Auckland in the top 10.



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3. Osaka

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 14, 2018 6:55 am 
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Kiwias wrote:
jambanja wrote:
CanNZ2000 wrote:
TBH, I was a bit surprised not to see Auckland in the top 10.



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3. Osaka

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Yes but Auckland loses points for having some of the most arrogant /terrible drivers on the planet

Also our roads/ public transport are shit..as an example cf Tokyo.. it sometimes takes almost the same time to get from Auckland Airport to the city as it does to go from Narita to the centre of Tokyo and it’s about a 3rd of the distance


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Joyannesburg is a klarse city to live in.


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 14, 2018 7:18 am 
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Joyannesburg is a klarse city to live in.



I don’t want to do the usual SA bashing on PR but I really didn’t think it was a good place to live. Traffic is murder, there’s just shopping Malls after endless shopping mall which are totally soulless. Some of the restaurants aren’t bad but when the view is of another shopping mall car park. Not that I personally saw any evidence of crime but every person you meet has a story of a Friend being hijacked etc. Nowhere really to exercise outside that I saw.. That said it certainly doesn’t deserve a place in the bottom 10. And this isn’t a slight on SA. I would live in Durban or Cape Town tomorrow if my missus would let us. Love them.


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I'm with Sauce on this one. I think Joburg is great. Love the weather, only ever a short drive from getting outside the city, great selection of restaurants and bars, always something interesting happening. Definitely feels a bit on edge when driving through the usual hotspots, but perhaps that just takes getting used to.


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Melbourne will be gutted. Every second article I read from their local newspaper mentions Melbourne as the World's Most Livable City*


*according to some random criteria on an excel spreadsheet

Sadly all the people I knew from Melbourne have f**ked off to other parts of Australia for a better life.


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Ah yes Vancouver is very “livable” so long as you have the massive pile of cash necessary to buy a house


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I'm with Sauce on this one. I think Joburg is great. Love the weather, only ever a short drive from getting outside the city, great selection of restaurants and bars, always something interesting happening. Definitely feels a bit on edge when driving through the usual hotspots, but perhaps that just takes getting used to.

Needs more culture to move up the list.


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Vienna is a lovely picturesque city but it is like travelling back in time to the late 20th century when you visit there......Maybe that's why it is so 'livable' .


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Vienna is a lovely picturesque city but it is like travelling back in time to the late 20th century when you visit there......Maybe that's why it is so 'livable' .

Pretty dull city in the Winter to be honest, complete ghost town. There's more to do in Winter in Wellington for example. Lovely city by all means though, very very clean.


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Ah yes Vancouver is very “livable” so long as you have the massive pile of cash necessary to buy a house


Even more so for Osaka.


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But, but, but..........

World cities with the best quality of life

1) Wellington, New Zealand

2) Edinburgh, UK

3) Vienna, Austria

4) Melbourne, Australia

5) Zurich, Switzerland

6) Copenhagen, Denmark

7) Ottawa, Canada

8 ) Boston, United States

9) Amsterdam, Netherlands

https://www.scotsman.com/regions/edinbu ... -1-4436407


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But, but, but..........

World cities with the best quality of life

1) Wellington, New Zealand

2) Edinburgh, UK

3) Vienna, Austria

4) Melbourne, Australia

5) Zurich, Switzerland

6) Copenhagen, Denmark

7) Ottawa, Canada

8 ) Boston, United States

9) Amsterdam, Netherlands

https://www.scotsman.com/regions/edinbu ... -1-4436407


That is a far better list.


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 14, 2018 9:00 am 
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Osaka!

Thought it was hell. no green spaces except around the (rebuilt) castle and the baseball stadium


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Osaka!

Thought it was hell. no green spaces except around the (rebuilt) castle and the baseball stadium


Agree totally. It is a place you go through rather than to, and even then only if you really have to.

This is an aerial photo of a normal residential suburb of Osaka
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Vancouver is massively over-rated...

Stupid expensive housing. Now just become off shore investments... and full of tourists.....

No longer a real city.


Was going to say this ... how is it 'liveable' when it's ridiculously expensive to live there?

I'd put Ottawa ahead of any of the three Canadian cities mentioned.


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