Planet Rugby Forum

EverReady wrote:

Turbogoat wrote:Yep, you guys have convinced me.
Sod all these deadlines and contract penalty clauses, going to start binging on GoT immediately.

Akkerman is right as well. I remember the boobs to dialogue ratio was OK but you can't go to the toilet for fear of missing a pair

The pinnacle of balancing boob/dialogue is that scene in the brothel where there's loads of exposition about Littlefinger's past, but all the dialogue takes place while two while the two brassers are going at it.

I don't get the obsession with nudity on tv shows these days and age. Surely if you want you can get with a click. I can understand it back in the day before internet.

CrazyIslander wrote:I don't get the obsession with nudity on tv shows these days and age. Surely if you want you can get with a click. I can understand it back in the day before internet.

Christ, if GOT had been around pre-tittyweb when all you could hope for was a glimpse of a nip after midnight on C4 (or “Channel 4” as it was known), I would’ve had the vcr tape worn down to invisible from all the rewinding.

Going back a few episodes, loved this line from the Blackfish ( still unseen after the longest piss break ever )

"I've seen wet shits I liked better than Walder Frey."

DOB wrote:

CrazyIslander wrote:I don't get the obsession with nudity on tv shows these days and age. Surely if you want you can get with a click. I can understand it back in the day before internet.

Christ, if GOT had been around pre-tittyweb when all you could hope for was a glimpse of a nip after midnight on C4 (or “Channel 4” as it was known), I would’ve had the vcr tape worn down to invisible from all the rewinding.

I remember as a horny teen in the mid 90s, staying up to 1am or later just hoping to get a glimpse of a nipple or a graphic sex scene (struck gold if that happened).

tabascoboy wrote:Going back a few episodes, loved this line from the Blackfish ( still unseen after the longest piss break ever )

"I've seen wet shits I liked better than Walder Frey."

Killed off very cheaply I thought. Apart from some Jaime character development the whole Riverrun siege comes across a bit pointless.

lemonhead wrote:

tabascoboy wrote:Going back a few episodes, loved this line from the Blackfish ( still unseen after the longest piss break ever )

"I've seen wet shits I liked better than Walder Frey."

Killed off very cheaply I thought. Apart from some Jaime character development the whole Riverrun siege comes across a bit pointless.

The whole show has become a bit pointless tbf. I will continue watching but the aspects that kept me intrigued are now mostly dead. first 4 seasons fantastic. Since then it feels like they are making up as they go along and they are now reliant on big cgi battles to cover up the stodgy dialogue and weak character development. But I suppose the new Dungeon & Dragons flavor has some appeal.

We didn't see Blackfish die though.

CrazyIslander wrote:We didn't see Blackfish die though.

Like Stannis and Olenna. Return of the Baddasses.

Or they are dead.

nicebutdim wrote:

CrazyIslander wrote:We didn't see Blackfish die though.

Like Stannis and Olenna. Return of the Baddasses.

Or they are dead.

Different. We saw Brienne swing the sword and Olenna drink the poison. We didn't actually see Blackfish fight to death.

CrazyIslander wrote:

nicebutdim wrote:

CrazyIslander wrote:We didn't see Blackfish die though.

Like Stannis and Olenna. Return of the Baddasses.

Or they are dead.

Different. We saw Brienne swing the sword and Olenna drink the poison. We didn't actually see Blackfish fight to death.

GOT has never been afraid to show the blood being spattered (Rob, Cattelyn, Baelish, Ramsay, just about everybody). Unless the production team wanted to save on ketchup it was a strange omission. It would have been the classic cliche of swinging a sword and missing on purpose to show mercy.

Anyway still think he is dead but it plants a seed of doubt.

And Olenna, was it poison? Again still dead imo.

nicebutdim wrote: The whole show has become a bit pointless tbf. I will continue watching but the aspects that kept me intrigued are now mostly dead. first 4 seasons fantastic. Since then it feels like they are making up as they go along and they are now reliant on big cgi battles to cover up the stodgy dialogue and weak character development. But I suppose the new Dungeon & Dragons flavor has some appeal.

Never mind, I have it on good authority that the last two books will see GRRM return magnificently to form and the whole thing will lead to

tabascoboy wrote:

nicebutdim wrote: The whole show has become a bit pointless tbf. I will continue watching but the aspects that kept me intrigued are now mostly dead. first 4 seasons fantastic. Since then it feels like they are making up as they go along and they are now reliant on big cgi battles to cover up the stodgy dialogue and weak character development. But I suppose the new Dungeon & Dragons flavor has some appeal.

Never mind, I have it on good authority that the last two books will see GRRM return magnificently to form and the whole thing will lead to

Spoiler: show

a decisive, massive and gloriously described feast

I really hope that it involves some

Brazil wrote:

tabascoboy wrote:

nicebutdim wrote: The whole show has become a bit pointless tbf. I will continue watching but the aspects that kept me intrigued are now mostly dead. first 4 seasons fantastic. Since then it feels like they are making up as they go along and they are now reliant on big cgi battles to cover up the stodgy dialogue and weak character development. But I suppose the new Dungeon & Dragons flavor has some appeal.

Never mind, I have it on good authority that the last two books will see GRRM return magnificently to form and the whole thing will lead to

Spoiler: show

a decisive, massive and gloriously described feast

I really hope that it involves some

Spoiler: show

fiery Dornish peppers and wine from the Arbor

Totally incorrect usage of spoliers, this is how its done.

The whole thing will finish with a dual between Jamie and Brienne, both will be eating rabbit and duck liver pies with a full butter pastry and quail egg glaze, Jamie will declare his eternal love for Brienne before she runs him through tearfully

MrJonno wrote:

Brazil wrote:

tabascoboy wrote:

nicebutdim wrote: The whole show has become a bit pointless tbf. I will continue watching but the aspects that kept me intrigued are now mostly dead. first 4 seasons fantastic. Since then it feels like they are making up as they go along and they are now reliant on big cgi battles to cover up the stodgy dialogue and weak character development. But I suppose the new Dungeon & Dragons flavor has some appeal.

Never mind, I have it on good authority that the last two books will see GRRM return magnificently to form and the whole thing will lead to

Spoiler: show

a decisive, massive and gloriously described feast

I really hope that it involves some

Spoiler: show

fiery Dornish peppers and wine from the Arbor

Totally incorrect usage of spoliers, this is how its done.

The whole thing will finish with a dual between Jamie and Brienne, both will be eating rabbit and duck liver pies with a full butter pastry and quail egg glaze, Jamie will declare his eternal love for Brienne before she runs him through tearfully

Spoiler: show

while wearing her wedding dress, the colour of Dornish blue pearls, woven from silk dragon placentas by the dothraki desert weavers of legend and adorned with the crystalised eyeballs if the infamous diamond ants from the beyond the wall

While The Hound

nicebutdim wrote:

lemonhead wrote:

tabascoboy wrote:Going back a few episodes, loved this line from the Blackfish ( still unseen after the longest piss break ever )

"I've seen wet shits I liked better than Walder Frey."

Killed off very cheaply I thought. Apart from some Jaime character development the whole Riverrun siege comes across a bit pointless.

The whole show has become a bit pointless tbf. I will continue watching but the aspects that kept me intrigued are now mostly dead. first 4 seasons fantastic. Since then it feels like they are making up as they go along and they are now reliant on big cgi battles to cover up the stodgy dialogue and weak character development. But I suppose the new Dungeon & Dragons flavor has some appeal.

That's a bit how I feel.

The last season lacked logic.

I mean, why would you take eight of you into the badlands to kidnap a wight, or whatever? Why would you possibly think you could get out alive? Assuming you don't know you are getting to rescued by dragons, of course. I mean, it was just preposterous. And for what? So you can impress Cersie that they exist? She's already got the Mountain kicking around: are we expected to think that she was impressed by it?

Anyway, I suppose I'll watch the final season (if I can be bothered).

1-4 are immense. Still invested in 5 and 6 where by rights if they'd followed the books you'd have the DVD being given away with a bottle of water at airports.

But last series feels like they ran completely out of Martin's WoW comfort blanket and the whole thing tanked. Hopefully he's on board with the screenplay for S8

Does anyone here watch it for free?

It is no coincidence that the series drop off mirrors exactly that of the books.

Armies just appearing all over the shop.

Others just disappearing.

Mullet 2 wrote:It is no coincidence that the series drop off mirrors exactly that of the books.

Armies just appearing all over the shop.

Others just disappearing.

Yep. In S1 it took 6 weeks to get from Kings Landing to Winterfell. In S7 it takes 15 minutes to sail from Iron islands to Eastwatch

Maesters must have discovered teleportation

HighKingLeinster wrote:

Mullet 2 wrote:It is no coincidence that the series drop off mirrors exactly that of the books.

Armies just appearing all over the shop.

Others just disappearing.

Yep. In S1 it took 6 weeks to get from Kings Landing to Winterfell. In S7 it takes 15 minutes to sail from Iron islands to Eastwatch

Maesters must have discovered teleportation

That's such a simpleton argument. It's patently obvious that s7 is over a much longer time scale, but in retrospect they should have had some sort of Indiana jonesesque travel sequence to placate the dullards such as yourself.

HighKingLeinster wrote:

Mullet 2 wrote:It is no coincidence that the series drop off mirrors exactly that of the books.

Armies just appearing all over the shop.

Others just disappearing.

Yep. In S1 it took 6 weeks to get from Kings Landing to Winterfell. In S7 it takes 15 minutes to sail from Iron islands to Eastwatch

Maesters must have discovered teleportation

Take the southern lad who's never been further north than the neck ranging past the wall, then have him run on his tod through miles of frozen wasteland to fetch help - with the dead on his heels. He gets to the wall, a raven toddles down south, dragons return - all in time for lunch the next day. The writers don't really give much of a shit.

True Blue wrote:

DOB wrote:

CrazyIslander wrote:I don't get the obsession with nudity on tv shows these days and age. Surely if you want you can get with a click. I can understand it back in the day before internet.

Christ, if GOT had been around pre-tittyweb when all you could hope for was a glimpse of a nip after midnight on C4 (or “Channel 4” as it was known), I would’ve had the vcr tape worn down to invisible from all the rewinding.

I remember as a horny teen in the mid 90s, staying up to 1am or later just hoping to get a glimpse of a nipple or a graphic sex scene (struck gold if that happened).

THis is where french movies come in handy...always a bit of action. You mum and dad are watching too so that s a con but what are you gonna do...

Six weeks huh ? At a Roman 20 miles per day March with baggage trains , that’s 840 miles in total.
Maybe double that if all on horse.

nicebutdim wrote:

CrazyIslander wrote:

nicebutdim wrote:

CrazyIslander wrote:We didn't see Blackfish die though.

Like Stannis and Olenna. Return of the Baddasses.

Or they are dead.

Different. We saw Brienne swing the sword and Olenna drink the poison. We didn't actually see Blackfish fight to death.

GOT has never been afraid to show the blood being spattered (Rob, Cattelyn, Baelish, Ramsay, just about everybody). Unless the production team wanted to save on ketchup it was a strange omission. It would have been the classic cliche of swinging a sword and missing on purpose to show mercy.

Anyway still think he is dead but it plants a seed of doubt.

And Olenna, was it poison? Again still dead imo.

I read an interview with Clive Russell where he said they pretty much decided it wasn’t worth training up a 70 year old man in sword fighting to a level where he would look as badass as the actual Blackfish, for the sake of one fight scene. (Quite how that washes with the combat skillz of the Sandsnakes is anyone’s guess). The guy reporting the death of the Blackfish to Jaime would want to be pretty confident of the news he was carrying.

Went downhill after Martin left the set. Around S4, was it? But still, I'll watch it of course. It's good shit.

Dialogue for me, how the characters interacted, it had meaning, now it's mainly trite leading to an action sequence.

Zakar wrote:

HighKingLeinster wrote:

Mullet 2 wrote:It is no coincidence that the series drop off mirrors exactly that of the books.

Armies just appearing all over the shop.

Others just disappearing.

Yep. In S1 it took 6 weeks to get from Kings Landing to Winterfell. In S7 it takes 15 minutes to sail from Iron islands to Eastwatch

Maesters must have discovered teleportation

That's such a simpleton argument. It's patently obvious that s7 is over a much longer time scale, but in retrospect they should have had some sort of Indiana jonesesque travel sequence to placate the dullards such as yourself.

Is it patently obvious? What, exactly, made it obvious? As far as I remember, there was no dialogue to that affect. No one got grayer with age. What was it that made the longer time scales obvious?

I'd suggest it wasn't obvious at all, and the fact that it's been picked up by so may is testament to that. Furthermore, as noted, the earlier seasons had set out the sort of timescales travel etc. took within the show. The fact that the later seasons decided to stretch the time out, without much of any explanation of what sort of timescales we are playing with now, is definitely something to castigate the show for.

There's a simple explanation. They're wrapping things up on the show and storylines needs to be fast tracked. We just need closure on the show and I'm sure the ending was already decided before season one so it will tie things up nicely. Don't worry too much about how fast a bloke runs or ravens and dragona fly. We may as well have a hollywood ending which would bring a tear to the eye.

The real indulgence is when the books come out. Luckily Ived read all the books. I've actually read a couple of fan fiction endings which isn't too bad.

Zakar wrote:

HighKingLeinster wrote:

Mullet 2 wrote:It is no coincidence that the series drop off mirrors exactly that of the books.

Armies just appearing all over the shop.

Others just disappearing.

Yep. In S1 it took 6 weeks to get from Kings Landing to Winterfell. In S7 it takes 15 minutes to sail from Iron islands to Eastwatch

Maesters must have discovered teleportation

That's such a simpleton argument. It's patently obvious that s7 is over a much longer time scale, but in retrospect they should have had some sort of Indiana jonesesque travel sequence to placate the dullards such as yourself.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pFrMLRQIT_k

Zakar wrote:

HighKingLeinster wrote:

Mullet 2 wrote:It is no coincidence that the series drop off mirrors exactly that of the books.

Armies just appearing all over the shop.

Others just disappearing.

Yep. In S1 it took 6 weeks to get from Kings Landing to Winterfell. In S7 it takes 15 minutes to sail from Iron islands to Eastwatch

Maesters must have discovered teleportation

That's such a simpleton argument. It's patently obvious that s7 is over a much longer time scale, but in retrospect they should have had some sort of Indiana jonesesque travel sequence to placate the dullards such as yourself.

A crass, boorish Aussie who grossly overestimates their opinion.

Well I never

Mullet 2 wrote:

Zakar wrote:

HighKingLeinster wrote:

Mullet 2 wrote:It is no coincidence that the series drop off mirrors exactly that of the books.

Armies just appearing all over the shop.

Others just disappearing.

Yep. In S1 it took 6 weeks to get from Kings Landing to Winterfell. In S7 it takes 15 minutes to sail from Iron islands to Eastwatch

Maesters must have discovered teleportation

That's such a simpleton argument. It's patently obvious that s7 is over a much longer time scale, but in retrospect they should have had some sort of Indiana jonesesque travel sequence to placate the dullards such as yourself.

A crass, boorish Aussie who grossly overestimates their opinion.

Well I never

Oh look, it's the fat bogpom estate agent, who never tires of being wrong.

HighKingLeinster wrote:

Mullet 2 wrote:It is no coincidence that the series drop off mirrors exactly that of the books.

Armies just appearing all over the shop.

Others just disappearing.

Yep. In S1 it took 6 weeks to get from Kings Landing to Winterfell. In S7 it takes 15 minutes to sail from Iron islands to Eastwatch

Maesters must have discovered teleportation

I always found this criticism funny. You're OK with a show about dragons and an undead army but the fact that they skip the journey part of the story is the unbelievable part?

ElementFreak wrote:

HighKingLeinster wrote:

Mullet 2 wrote:It is no coincidence that the series drop off mirrors exactly that of the books.

Armies just appearing all over the shop.

Others just disappearing.

Yep. In S1 it took 6 weeks to get from Kings Landing to Winterfell. In S7 it takes 15 minutes to sail from Iron islands to Eastwatch

Maesters must have discovered teleportation

I always found this criticism funny. You're OK with a show about dragons and an undead army but the fact that they skip the journey part of the story is the unbelievable part?

ElementFreak wrote:

HighKingLeinster wrote:

Mullet 2 wrote:It is no coincidence that the series drop off mirrors exactly that of the books.

Armies just appearing all over the shop.

Others just disappearing.

Yep. In S1 it took 6 weeks to get from Kings Landing to Winterfell. In S7 it takes 15 minutes to sail from Iron islands to Eastwatch

Maesters must have discovered teleportation

I always found this criticism funny. You're OK with a show about dragons and an undead army but the fact that they skip the journey part of the story is the unbelievable part?

They can skip journeys, but when part of the depicted drama is actually related to urgency & time it's a massive cheat to have a person or army appear in the nick of time.

Like the dragon rescue beyond the wall, the heroes are stranded and time is running out for them but it's ok cause someone managed to run through the snow & sail all the way to Dragonstone. It's just lazy writing.

Mullet 2 wrote:It is no coincidence that the series drop off mirrors exactly that of the books.

Armies just appearing all over the shop.

Others just disappearing.

There's something to be said for the writers losing focus now that they are on their own but the hope that I'm clinging to is that they took their own route to the same ending as what the books will have.

Zakar has it down lads.

Jet engines arrived between series 1 and 6. Sansa sent a text to the Vale and the lads arrived the next day connecting through Atlanta.

But there are dragons so the the Aussie brains trust is OK with it.

My favourite part of Saving Private Ryan was the first 3 hours where they documented all the American troop ships leaving the US and crossing the Atlantic.

Turbogoat wrote:My favourite part of Saving Private Ryan was the first 3 hours where they documented all the American troop ships leaving the US and crossing the Atlantic.

Joking aren’t you?! That took months and they rushed it through in 3 hours.

Turbogoat wrote:My favourite part of Saving Private Ryan was the first 3 hours where they documented all the American troop ships leaving the US and crossing the Atlantic.

Do you ever make a none contrarian point?

Part of the huge appeal of GOTs was the bare realism of the day to day and real life rules in a feudal context where what applied. Rather than last minute deux ex machina saving the heroes tropes taking over and realistic know-how. To criticise the shows suddenly turning away from this set-up as both jarring and silly, especially in light of prior set-up and tone is perfectly valid and more importantly in good TV, the obvious change in tone is a issue for story telling. Sure it's partly GRRMs fault, but it's equally due to the writers determination to make the show fit their pre-conceived number of episodes.