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SA needed Steyn to deliver again today and how he did. What a champion.

And what a start by Amla. If they had to chase 420+ from 3 1/2 sessions they could have batted it out much easier by not going for the chase

Rinkals wrote:

JM2K6 wrote:So the fact that he was found guilty isn't enough for posters to say he's guilty? The fact that he's been found guilty means I can't "proclaim his guilt" because I "don't know the facts"?

He's guilty. The only people who count have looked at the evidence and come to that conclusion. Your wriggling doesn't change that fact.

His options were to acknowledge guilt or face being banned.

Now I accept that we aren't a top tier Nation where someone like Jimmy Anderson has full protection to continue to play until the facts are actually presented to the court

You're not seriously trying to jump onto Insane Homer's little conspiracy theory are you? Because I've already given you the reasons why they can't actually look at that case right now. It's not as simple as being a single person who's a) on the field of play, b) clearly attempting to damage the ball, and c) spotted at the time by the third umpire.

so I realise that you may think that, from your own privileged perspective, if you opt not to contest the charge then you must be guilty. However, for Nations that don't belong in the top tiers this isn't necessarily the case.

There is no wriggling.

I think I understand the problem here. You seem to believe that his "not contesting the charge" meant that he was guaranteed to be found guilty, as if it's him telling them he's guilty. That's not the case: the officials found him guilty and he chose not to appeal due to the possibility of a ban. It's the bit where the officials found him guilty by looking at the video evidence that I'm focusing on, and that you're ignoring.

The fact of the matter is that the umpires were unable to come to the conclusion that the condition of the ball had been changed.

But they were able to determine that Philander was trying to change the condition of the ball illegally. Which is presumably why his punishment wasn't too bad.

Insane_Homer wrote:

not guilty

It's a little disappointing that you'd ask me a question which I replied to in good faith and then ignore it.

But stopping a ball with your foot is a pretty rubbish way to 'deliberately' tamper with the ball, given that you have no control over which bit(s) get damaged if it happens, and that any obvious damage would see it immediately replaced. As opposed to the subtler tampering as performed by guys like Atherton.





On a completely different note:

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Steyn's average on the subcontinent is now better than Wasim Akram's. f**king hell, he's some player.

Calculus wrote:By the power of Allah, the proteas have beaten their bogey team!

We beat the Aussies?

Awesome win by the Proteas. Amla will take us to new heights.

When last did Sri Lanka played test against the mighty England?

OomPB wrote:Awesome win by the Proteas. Amla will take us to new heights.

When last did Sri Lanka played test against the mighty England?

No-one is calling England mighty, granddad. We're shite.

I'm a big fan of Immy Tahir, but I think it's time to drop him from the test team. Let's be bold and give Piedt a chance for 10 or so tests, at the moment, he can't do worse than Tahir or Peterson.

handyman wrote:I'm a big fan of Immy Tahir, but I think it's time to drop him from the test team. Let's be bold and give Piedt a chance for 10 or so tests, at the moment, he can't do worse than Tahir or Peterson.

Dunno, our attack combo needs a leggie for variation. Piedt did well in our local compo. Phangiso also look like improving well.

handyman wrote:I'm a big fan of Immy Tahir, but I think it's time to drop him from the test team. Let's be bold and give Piedt a chance for 10 or so tests, at the moment, he can't do worse than Tahir or Peterson.

I agree. He looks more and more like an ODI/T20 bowler. He's better in the shorter formats because batsmen are looking to attack him, and he gets them out in the process. In a test environment where the batsmen generally take fewer risks, he's ineffectual. They simply wait for the bad ball, and dispatch him. The big problem is that he serves 1-2 juicy long-hops every over.

Mind you, the last time I said something similar he went on to rip Pakistan a new one in a test in the UAE.

Amla dont mind using Elgar and JP more. JP (RH off break) & Elgar (LH orthodox) the same as Piedt or Phangiso, the reason why we need to keep Imran.

OomPB wrote:

handyman wrote:I'm a big fan of Immy Tahir, but I think it's time to drop him from the test team. Let's be bold and give Piedt a chance for 10 or so tests, at the moment, he can't do worse than Tahir or Peterson.

Dunno, our attack combo needs a leggie for variation. Piedt did well in our local compo. Phangiso also look like improving well.

It doesn't help if you pick a leggie for 'variation' and he does not take any wickets. That's like picking a batsman who can play great shots, but averages 10.

I really enjoyed Amla's captaincy in this match. A lot less conservative than what we've gotten used to under Smith and the other "stand in" captains.

His declaration was a good one. Sporting enough to make it tasty for a chase. Smith almost never declared for anything less than a 450 chase. Sure it's more risky, and it could backfire once or twice, but it could also turn a couple of draws into wins going forward.

Also liked that he told JP to get a move on. Made up is mind about the declaration, put the team ahead of the player, but also gave the player a fair shot at improving their career stats.

Hopefully he continues to develop as things go on, but this was a great start. Very chuffed.

Beaver_Shark wrote:

handyman wrote:I'm a big fan of Immy Tahir, but I think it's time to drop him from the test team. Let's be bold and give Piedt a chance for 10 or so tests, at the moment, he can't do worse than Tahir or Peterson.

I agree. He looks more and more like an ODI/T20 bowler. He's better in the shorter formats because batsmen are looking to attack him, and he gets them out in the process. In a test environment where the batsmen generally take fewer risks, he's ineffectual. They simply wait for the bad ball, and dispatch him. The big problem is that he serves 1-2 juicy long-hops every over.

Mind you, the last time I said something similar he went on to rip Pakistan a new one in a test in the UAE.

Those test don't happen to often.

I'll keep him for the shorter formats, he's doing really well there.

OomPB wrote:Amla dont mind using Elgar and JP more. JP (RH off break) & Elgar (LH orthodox) the same as Piedt or Phangiso, the reason why we need to keep Imran.

We only need to keep spinners who can contain (if that's what Amla want) or take wickets. At the moment, Tahir is not taking wickets and Duminy and Elgar are stopgaps who are a bit expensive and don't take a lot of wickets.

Blake wrote:I really enjoyed Amla's captaincy in this match. A lot less conservative than what we've gotten used to under Smith and the other "stand in" captains.

His declaration was a good one. Sporting enough to make it tasty for a chase. Smith almost never declared for anything less than a 450 chase. Sure it's more risky, and it could backfire once or twice, but it could also turn a couple of draws into wins going forward.

Also liked that he told JP to get a move on. Made up is mind about the declaration, put the team ahead of the player, but also gave the player a fair shot at improving their career stats.

Hopefully he continues to develop as things go on, but this was a great start. Very chuffed.

Yeah especially away from home. All the pressure was on SL

Cartman wrote:SA needed Steyn to deliver again today and how he did. What a champion.

And what a start by Amla. If they had to chase 420+ from 3 1/2 sessions they could have batted it out much easier by not going for the chase

Agreed. Excellent decision. Did it early enough to give them some hope in chasing down the score knowing in reality it was too much. 300+ never successfully chased down on that ground. Well done Amla. Steyn you beaut!

handyman wrote:

OomPB wrote:Amla dont mind using Elgar and JP more. JP (RH off break) & Elgar (LH orthodox) the same as Piedt or Phangiso, the reason why we need to keep Imran.

We only need to keep spinners who can contain (if that's what Amla want) or take wickets. At the moment, Tahir is not taking wickets and Duminy and Elgar are stopgaps who are a bit expensive and don't take a lot of wickets.

I'm not really sure what SA wants from a spinner. Bowling economically and taking the load off the seamers must be the minimum, but from time to time the conditions will be right for a spinner to run through the second innings batting lineup. Tahir always looks like he could play that part, but this was yet another occasion where he failed to do so.

Dale Steyn won this match, and on a wicket where he had no right to do so.

Slider wrote:

handyman wrote:

OomPB wrote:Amla dont mind using Elgar and JP more. JP (RH off break) & Elgar (LH orthodox) the same as Piedt or Phangiso, the reason why we need to keep Imran.

We only need to keep spinners who can contain (if that's what Amla want) or take wickets. At the moment, Tahir is not taking wickets and Duminy and Elgar are stopgaps who are a bit expensive and don't take a lot of wickets.

I'm not really sure what SA wants from a spinner. Bowling economically and taking the load off the seamers must be the minimum, but from time to time the conditions will be right for a spinner to run through the second innings batting lineup. Tahir always looks like he could play that part, but this was yet another occasion where he failed to do so.

Dale Steyn won this match, and on a wicket where he had no right to do so.

Tahir is too attacking, for lack of a better word, plus he needs more control, you can't bowl 1 boudary delivery every over. A spinner don't have to be exclusively attacking or defending, he should be able to play both roles.

We have nothing to lose me thinks if we play Piedt, he can't do worse than all the other we have tried.

Sri Lanka is are trouble in nows wif the kolf

/OomPB mode

This is a bit tedious.

We should have had them all out by now (would have if Reiffel wasn't having such a kak game, or if Faf had any idea how to use the DRS). We need to get them all out now and start batting before the pitch wears too much further. We can't be chasing too many, if we are batting last on this.

Big Nipper wrote:Sri Lanka is are trouble in nows wif the kolf

/OomPB mode

Reported.

Reiffel finally gets one right.

224 for nine.

Faf brings back Steyn.

Personally, If I was bringing back another seamer, it would have been Philander. Karunaratne is clearly wanting to get after the bowling with only one wicket left, and Philander was giving him a fair bit of trouble when he was in his nineties.

Steyn is not yet back to his best and will just give away free runs.

Looks like the ball bursts through his fingers.

Dammit, Faf, we all want Steyn to get wickets, but he's travelling at the moment.

Pass the ball to Philander.

Maharaj and Shamzi are keeping it tight, but neither of them looks like taking a wicket.

C'mon, Faf, pass the pill to big Vern, dammit.

250/9 ffs

Bang!

The number eleven lays into Maharaj, and slog sweeps him inches from the rope.

Sorry, but neither of these bowlers look like taking a wicket.

256 is probably a hundred runs more than they should have got, and they're not done yet.

Karunaratne looking for his double ton.

Nipper chased the mockers away.

New ball due in six overs.

Maybe that's why Faf has been holding back his quicks?

I can't think of another reason, unless there's a bookie involved.

He try to give his spinner some practise. If the spinner cant take wickets in Sri Lanka, he wont take anywhere.

They are now toying with this generous bowling.

The number eleven hitting fours at will and the opener building past his 150 with 200 in his sights.

This is desperately humiliating.

280/9

FFS!

Are all our quicks crocked? or is Faf just pulling the piss.

Dean Elgar on to bowl slow left arm pies.

Shamsi finally gets the last wicket, or, more accurately, is gifted the last wicket by the batsman.

287.

Christ! pathetic.

finally 287 all out

Rinkals wrote:Shamsi finally gets the last wicket, or, more accurately, is gifted the last wicket by the batsman.

287.

Christ! pathetic.

78* from the opener plus 35 from the last two batting with him since tea. Christ, we're shite @ wrapping up an innings.

Sandstorm wrote:

Rinkals wrote:Shamsi finally gets the last wicket, or, more accurately, is gifted the last wicket by the batsman.

287.

Christ! pathetic.

78* from the opener plus 35 from the last two batting with him since tea. Christ, we're shite @ wrapping up an innings.

Philander was giving Karunaratne trouble when he was in his nineties but was having no difficulty against spin; I cannot fathom why Faf persisted with spin rather than bringing back either Rabada or Big Vern. Rabada had 4 already. Even Steyn, who hasn't been at his best, would have been a better option.

Rinkals wrote:

Sandstorm wrote:

Rinkals wrote:Shamsi finally gets the last wicket, or, more accurately, is gifted the last wicket by the batsman.

287.

Christ! pathetic.

78* from the opener plus 35 from the last two batting with him since tea. Christ, we're shite @ wrapping up an innings.

Philander was giving Karunaratne trouble when he was in his nineties but was having no difficulty against spin; I cannot fathom why Faf persisted with spin rather than bringing back either Rabada or Big Vern. Rabada had 4 already. Even Steyn, who hasn't been at his best, would have been a better option.

Faf read the history of Sri Lankan pitches where they always spin and you take wickets......instead of looking at the actual action on the field.

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